Pagan College: Open to all

[MistOfTheSea86]

Don't you guys think it would be interesting to have a school about Paganism, where you can actually attend and learn about it??? It wouldn't be just for pagans, it would be for everyone who is interested in the faith and could come for however long they wanted to learn what they wanted to learn:) I don't know, I have this fairy take like Idea, that it would the neatest thing to have school of Paganism...<----Too much Harry Potter NO:) :lol:

[Amethyst Rose]

I think it would be an awsome idea.....but for some reason i can't get the image of picketers marching around outside chanting mean things.... or bomb threats.....or people taking classes only so they could argue and bash and try to change peoples beliefs or yell and scream about how evil it all is......

I voted that it would have reprecussions.....unfortunately, I don't think the world is ready for such open paganism.... and people might feel uncomfortable about exposing themselves to such a degree..... depending on the degree of dispute, it could make people less inclined to come out of the closet, so to say.....

[Myst]

The practitioners of the Old Religions (ie. Fam Trads) would really hate that.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Myst
The practitioners of the Old Religions (ie. Fam Trads) would really hate that.

Why>?

[ReverendAJS]

I would argue that a family tradition shouldn't be taught at a school like that. That kind of thing would be too personal, and there are more appropriate traditions that would work well in a school-type environment. Most of the pagans I know are self/internet/book taught, and would have benefited greatly from an experience like that, myself included. That said, I belong to a mailing list in the southern New Hampshire region and they are discussing a wiccan school which is temporarily (I hope) called the Hogwarts class. I would assume Paganism isn't discussed in much detail in a typical divinity school, although I can't know for sure, having never attended one myself. Count me in for Pagan U. I could teach intro to cyberShamanism 101. And maybe some art classes :D
Reverend aJS

[Sequoia]

ne, I think that's a great idea!

Yes, there'll be threats or picketing. . . hey, remember when people with darker skin (some people I know find the term "african american" insulting. . . so . . . ) wanted to go to school with people with lighter skin?
There was picketing, riots, etc.. . . but look at us now. They go, do they not? and its not anything incredible, is it? Theyr'e just other students.

If there are Christian, Jewish, etc schools out there, why COULDN'T there be a pagan one? Why give up with pickets to the demands of the frightened, loud ones? If anything, it would enlighten the world, because others could come and see just what it's all about! ^_^

I'll teach Acceptance of Diversity 50A

[Myst]

Why? Because lots of practitioners of Fam Trads and Old Religions don't appreciate the "fluffization" of certain beliefs - ie. those who practice the old traditions of Witchcraft, Stregtheria, Druidry, etc. Yes there would be protesting and picketing and possibly assaults etc. - from non-Pagan *and* Pagan sources.

I think in most cases Christian schools are based on education of basic needs with a Christian slant, rather then entirely based on Christianity as this Pagan school which you refer to would be. Also, you can't learn everything from school anyway, and there are already thousands of books, covens, networking groups, teachers, etc. out there. Further, it would be impossible to teach every tradition and path due to sheer volume and the fact that new paths arise every day. A lot of people would rather practice their fam trads or create their own beliefs.

btw you can already learn the history and myth behind modern Pagan trads just by taking theology at any regular college.

I think Amethyst Rose has made some excellent points as well.

If you want one go ahead. However, to me, the creation of a Pagan college (or any college, for that matter) needs to be a product of necessity - not just "oh they have one, why can't we?" or "oh who cares what those prejudiced people think, we will show them!". You have to think of the demands and necessity for one, as well as the financial implications, what classes would be taught, how you'd find and screen reputable teachers, etc.

[MistOfTheSea86]

I had more in mind of a retreat kind of thing, something like Avalon actually, but with more education on other things as well. As it clearly shows, doing fam trads would be a BAD idea. Pherhaps just a place or a piece of land where people could go and be amongst other pagans.

[Demeter]

I think it would be better to press for Pagan courses in the colleges that already exist. We'd get better exposure that way. I know Rutgers in NJ has a course on Witchcraft as part of their Women's Studies program. I'd like to see it moved out with the Comparative Religions program. These would be for general coverage, discussing a number of different traditions within Paganism.

There are a number of organizations that already sponsor Pagan-dedicated festivals and gatherings.

If there was interest in a specific tradition, people in that tradition would sponsor "retreats" or weekend seminars.

[MistOfTheSea86]

hehe, let me rephrase. What is a college? A place to learn. Each college has a reputation for there best program. Either Science, Relgion, anthropology. So what this would be, is kind of like one of the Christian colleges. Not completely about it. BUT, with it's influence. And if there are differing ideas, fine. That's life. Nothing is ever going to be 100% agreed upon. And there is a good thing to disagreement. Enlightenment. You learn either what you did not how, or anothers view. It is a constant thing that you can not help, all you can do is try to do something that can cause some, even if it miniscule, bit of happiness. BEcause I can assure you, more people would be happy then not...


And besides... WHen I said Pagan, I used it as an umbrella term, for all forms of it. NOt just Wicca, or druidry etc. We would offer courses on it, some pretty amn good ones. But we would alaso have everything else. Science, English, math. This way, it is open to all... Like Christian colleges are. And it is not simply because that they have one, I want one. I have always pined for some place I could be around people of similar faith... But I guess I am living in a dreamworld.

[Myst]

Ok, Mist, I see now. That makes a lot more sense to me.

Some good points there too, Demeter.

[lucidfire]

I like the idea in itself. I've seen this already starting to happen, there's somethign like this in Chicago I think, run by some Archdruids, CrystalMoon I think is it's name?

The only thing that really comes to mind for the bad side of it might be people striving for quantity instead of quality. It's a hard thing to centralize, you've got to admit. Many pagans tend to be autonamous by nature, from what I've seen. I could be wrong though.

I like the idea though; I still wonder about what Myst said , about those in the old religion not liking it. She may be right

[bansidhe]

i can see where mist is coming from...i go to a christian skool, and whilst it teaches all of the usual subjects like chemistry, history, english, etc, it obviously has that very luthern influence about it, which of course makes it easier to get support if youre luthern/christian...
if its only a dream mist, its a damn good one, and i personally hope that it can be achieved one day...especially cos im gonna be a teacher if i grow up...:)

[Sleeping Ghost]

Yes i think it would be a great idea...

I would love to be able to go a college and learn about paganism... people that are interested in paganism could research it there, and all of the many branches of it... *sigh*
but these hopes are probably useless as there are far too many closed minded people in high places as to allow that.

As for the picketers and bombs... it's all a matter of location.
if you put in NC for example, people would definately be unhappy be cause most people down here are southern baptist.
If you put it in Maine, people would also be unhappy with it... they're mostly catholics.

Salem, Ohio would be the perfect place for it, i think.

[lucidfire]

Oh! I didn't realize you meant college as in they teach everything else too; hmm, now that's an interesting idea. Do they have Christian colleges or anything like that? Or maybe pagan high school :D

[Illuminatus]

It's a good idea, but premature.

It would be more productive and worthwhile to promote pagan learning programs in existing institutions. If someone went out and founded Pagan University, it probably wouldn't be accredited in the academic community. However, if other schools began building similar cirriculums first, and comparative religion majors could take a specialty in a pagan-related field... that's the path to acceptance.

[Danustouch]

Very Good Point, Illuminatus.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
It's a good idea, but premature.

It would be more productive and worthwhile to promote pagan learning programs in existing institutions. If someone went out and founded Pagan University, it probably wouldn't be accredited in the academic community. However, if other schools began building similar cirriculums first, and comparative religion majors could take a specialty in a pagan-related field... that's the path to acceptance.

Kudos Ill:)

[lucidfire]

agreed

[bansidhe]

some uni's and tafes have already began doing that over here ill, they call it 'comparative religions'. i think they do a semester on paganism, and then branch out, but im not really sure exactly what the course comprises of. im gonna look into it sooner or later tho, cos i wanna do it!!!

[John]

Dear Mistofthesea86,

I think the idea is good, but like so many ideas about Paganism (paid clergy, temples, etc.) I think it is unfortunately before its time. I think that because I don't think there are enough Pagans in the Western countries to support the *massive* costs of running a private college . . . and ;-) getting Pagans at this stage of the game to agree on a religious curriculum would be like herding cats.

Basically, I like the idea, and I think it is a workable and laudable idea: India has plenty of pagan (Hindu), religiously oriented schools for example. But, like so many things, I think it must wait till we sort out our philosophical structure as a religion / religious movement and get some more members. Frankly, I also think we as Paganism need to also get some more years under our belt as a religion too: to know ourselves and to also make and save the money that running a private college will cost.

In the meantime, there *are* many universities in Canada and the U.S. which have religious studies programs -- some of them are at public universities. None of them (to my knowledge) focus much on modern Paganism, but they do sometimes at least acknowldge it (us) as worthy of study. For example, you and others might be interested in surfing over to the website of the Religious Studies program at the University of Indiana (U.S.) at Bloomington: http://www.indiana.edu/~relstud/home.html I haven't phsycially been there or talked with the people there, but the website looks promising; also, I recall having seen a doctoral dissertation there that was about Wicca. A search on Hotbot under "religious studies programs" will produce other leads.

Blessed Be.

--John

[ReverendAJS]

I don't know, I think of the Pagan "school" as something small. Like the way some cities (here in America) run their Continuing Education departments. Night School, as it's sometimes called. How it works is, a person is found with sigificant knowledge on a subject, people sign up to take a class under this teacher, repeat for as many subjects as there are people wiling to teach them. In my mind, there is no substitute for teaching hands-on, face to face with a student/group of students. A website gives you a one way flow of information. Classes foster discussion and the sharing of ideas in a structured way. Actually MW does a pretty good job at replecating that kind of envoronment. There are a few "classes" going on here that, I think, have been working pretty well. Not the same, but information is being taught and dialogue is being dialogued. (?)
I forgot where I was going here, so that's it.

[QueendeQrash]

It would be a good idea, but people well have preconceived ideas about the graduates. And the Trads would not care for it, I will agree to that.
Now here is an idea that I have been toying with... starting Pre-K thru 12 school inwhich the basics of all religions are taught. I don't know about where everyone else lives, but there is nothing like that around here.

[Lilith Rain]

Would be nice if it did.

http://www.vermontteddybear.com/isroot/vtbear/Images/product/large/KK0015107_large.jpg

[Myst]

Originally posted by ReverendAJS
I don't know, I think of the Pagan "school" as something small. Like the way some cities (here in America) run their Continuing Education departments.

Keep in mind that there are covens and groups that run Pagan classes in that way - reiki comes to mind immediately.

[ReverendAJS]

I'm involved with a group right now that is trying to create a Pagan college. They want it to be big like an actual college. I think it's a great idea. There are lots of good ideas and lots of interest. The problem is, of course, money. Isn't that always the way?
Rev

[Lilith Rain]

Try getting the comminity/ies involved in fundraising for it.

Never know it might work.

http://www.vermontteddybear.com/isroot/vtbear/Images/product/large/KK0015574_large.jpg

[mol]

Originally posted by ReverendAJS
I'm involved with a group right now that is trying to create a Pagan college. They want it to be big like an actual college. I think it's a great idea. There are lots of good ideas and lots of interest. The problem is, of course, money. Isn't that always the way?
Rev

Hmm. So a college...full of Pagans...

Would anyone get ANY work done?

:p

[ReverendAJS]

I guess we'll see :D

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by mol


Hmm. So a college...full of Pagans...

Would anyone get ANY work done?

:p

Of course Mol:D Especially if you were teaching:D

[Lilith Rain]

I'd go if Raven Grimassi was teaching.

[Goodwinjj]

That is definately the best idea that i have heard in a long time. Now a days, there needs to be something like that for both kids and adults. It would benefit so many solitary people. Why not make it a reality, if we can get enough experianced people to teach? Everything has trial phase.
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[ReverendAJS]

I'll tell you, I would love to start something like that, but I haven't found any support. Every group I bring it up in I get a lot of, "yeah that would be cool" but nobody wants to help. The latest group I was planning with seems to have fizzled. Oh well. I guess I haven't found anybody dedicated enough to follow through. And it's just too big a project to do on my own. I'll stop whining now.
Rev

[alain]

the idea is a beautiful one, and the only way that i'd do college again for many years; however, i forsee one problem which may or may not even be an issue.... If classes on the various paths of paganism were to be taught, then more people would take what they heard as absolute truths, rather than the 'take it for what its worth' attitude that now makes paganism so appealing to the younger generations.
If paganism developed specific dogma, I, personally, would go back to saying "**** off! I'm a satanist!" - even though it's not true.

[Zaniah]

I had posted a question somewhere a while ago as to whether anyone had checked out Our Lady of Enchantment Seminary of Wicca (Link: http://members.aol.com/LadyS1366/oloe.html). I've been looking into it. The last time I tried to look into something like this, I don't recall where, they seemed to get upset that I was asking questions. They were unwilling to provide me with any sort of proof they weren't a scam, really. I'm looking to know if anyone has any tips or has dealt with these people to know if taking thier courses would be worthwhile. Lady Sabrina is a published author, but I'm looking for still a little more proof to validate that they wouldn't take my money and run. So far they look to be the closest thing to helping me achieve what I'm looking to achieve, which would be a reverendship without taking the easy way out (Universal Life Church, though I'll do it if I have to!).

Comments? I hope this also adds to the discussion.
Love and Light,
Zaniah

[Earthcup]

I've just skimmed over the thread.....

I think a Pagan temple that offers "non-denominational" worship services and classes would be great one day. A college? I don't think so.

[Cat Goddess]

ok this may have already be said if it has sorry but
The dictionary says this about paganism: The practicing of beliefs outside of mainstream religions, which would raise the point that if a college for "paganism" was established it would take centuries to study ... there are so many different paths beliefs etc and in a place like that you could say whatever youliked and always be correct. perhaps something more specific i.e a course on wicca, or druidry or kabbalism might be a good idea but the notion of pagan leaves to much in the haze
i think that if the courses or "colleges" were more specific then it's a great idea... it would be an oppurtuinty to teach the "uneducated" about our ways and prove to them that we are not evil etc etc etc
by "uneducated" i do not mean it in the literal sense i mean people who do not know anything about our ways but still decide to label us as evil etc etc etc
if you disagree with what i am saying then too bad cos i am always right .... nah i'm only kiddin i amnt that closed minded if you don't agree then that is your decision but i would like to discuss why not etc etc etc


~Kieu~

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Cat Goddess
ok this may have already be said if it has sorry but
The dictionary says this about paganism: The practicing of beliefs outside of mainstream religions, which would raise the point that if a college for "paganism" was established it would take centuries to study ... there are so many different paths beliefs etc and in a place like that you could say whatever youliked and always be correct. perhaps something more specific i.e a course on wicca, or druidry or kabbalism might be a good idea but the notion of pagan leaves to much in the haze
i think that if the courses or "colleges" were more specific then it's a great idea... it would be an oppurtuinty to teach the "uneducated" about our ways and prove to them that we are not evil etc etc etc
by "uneducated" i do not mean it in the literal sense i mean people who do not know anything about our ways but still decide to label us as evil etc etc etc
if you disagree with what i am saying then too bad cos i am always right .... nah i'm only kiddin i amnt that closed minded if you don't agree then that is your decision but i would like to discuss why not etc etc etc


~Kieu~

No, thats an incredibly wise and good point. Never thought of it that way:D

[Earthcup]

I was reading about the informal schools that sprung up in the 60's and about the few that are still around. What if a "Pagan College" could be set up like a fair or camp?

There's a folk school near me that has bunk rooms and a campground and have week long intensives with a little fun in the evenings.

People could sign up for Hellenismos 101 for a week in spring and then maybe come back to catch Advanced Guided Meditation in the fall?

That way you wouldn't need full time teachers, experts could come for a week long course, and all you ould need is a staff to run the administrative, housekeepiing/gardening and kitchen stuff.

The folk school's been in business since 1925, don't see why their model couldn't be adapted for the Pagan community. Who knows? If we could get enough people interested and round up some teachers they might be interested in adding some Paganish courses. I think they have a course on making clay altars this year at any rate...

http://www.folkschool.com/

[Mystic Wolf]

Originally posted by Earthcup
I think a Pagan temple that offers "non-denominational" worship services and classes would be great one day.

A few locals and I are actually in the planning stages of building such a facility. It will also be located locally where we have already come under fire for our beliefs and fighting that. However this facility will give us the protection we need under state law to actually do some good work for the community.

The attacks on our beliefs brought the date of this facility up about 5 years from the future but it is very much needed now. All will be welcome regardless of faith. All we will require is openness and a willingness to learn and give to the community (whether it is time, money, resources or something else).

[Bryony]

if there was one, I would so be there! I know there are schools that train and 'certify' one to be a priestess ordained by the u.s. government to perform legal marraige ceremonies, and some colleges offer classes on them, but i do not know of any patroned college ran by the pagan community. since there is no organized "church" of paganism, and so many small organizations, it would be difficult to collect enough of a group started. REALLY kewl idea!

[Bryony]

Originally posted by Mystic Wolf


A few locals and I are actually in the planning stages of building such a facility. It will also be located locally where we have already come under fire for our beliefs and fighting that. However this facility will give us the protection we need under state law to actually do some good work for the community.

The attacks on our beliefs brought the date of this facility up about 5 years from the future but it is very much needed now. All will be welcome regardless of faith. All we will require is openness and a willingness to learn and give to the community (whether it is time, money, resources or something else).
which state? I am wondering, being a junior in high school, i am looking for a college....maybe i could go somewhere nearby so i could help out......:)
i just wish MY community would go for something like this, they would probably set afire the facililty!

[Grey]

From what I've seen of paganism it seems a little to varied for a class, but maybe an elective in schools??

[Paeten]

I think it's an excellent idea!!!!

[Bkack Lanter]

Their are pagans all over the world so there would have to be many colleges don't you think.... everyone seems to talking about one college.
And the point of taking everything as absolute fact thats been brought up.... most pagans I know are smart enough to realive that just because you say so dosen't make it true. The classes would have to on something specific ( norse pantheon, cletic pantheon, tarot, palmistry etc) with and expert in each feild.
since paganism is a tlk out of it what you want students would probably have to do papers for most of their assignment (if the'yre to be given)
So if you were to make a "college" you should probably try something more along an institute. ( a bunch of people doing stuff on the same basic topic- paganism)

Besides where would you put it??

[widukind]

Bah, I don't think it matters much one way or another. I'm studying at the so-called "Catholic" University of Leuven and I don't notice anything even remotely Christian about it. Why should a Pagan college be any different?

[ReverendAJS]

I've been away for a while but I'm glad to see that there is still interest in this topic.

People who are interested in Native American culture have powwows, I've been to a few, mostly they are held over a weekend and people come to dance and buy stuff and just generally commune with other people who share their beliefs and interests. If a Pagan college is too far off for some of us here, maybe some Pagan Powwows. We could have seminars on spellwork, theory, crafts, there could be vendors (who would pay a booth of course, we call them "sponsors" :D ). There could be ceremonies from lots of different paths. People who were interested could see a little bit of a lot of different traditions. Maybe after a few of these a longer commitment would develop and we would know if there would be enough interest in a Pagan college.

As for the variety of subjects that would have to be present at a Pagan college, there is no doubt that everybody would have different beliefs, and one of the great things about Paganism is that people are allowed to believe what they want. However, a place where Pagans can come and study with a mentor would be an interesting twist to this. Like a monestary or something. Experienced Pagan teachers can come together in one place and students can come to learn about the paths that are available there. Just a thought.

Regards,

[mol]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
Of course Mol:D Especially if you were teaching:D

Hah. A year later I will reply to say...

Now do you still think you'd get any work done with me teaching? :D

[Soothar]

I just returned to the forum after a long absence... I'v been talking to a bunch of people on the same issue for a while... if you need any help, I'll try my best. I would love to have a college dedicated to practitioners of all kinds,but thats just me :) Hope you all are doing well.

[Stacy]

At University I attended, the Religion department had classes such as "Wicca and Neo Paganism".. Never attended, though, cause at that time I was done with all my electives and had no extra money to spend.. :(

[Midnight hunter]

what about thouse of us who draw on exclusivly upon magic and dont worship and dieties. I myself work with alot of spirits and the occasinal demon and draw on a large varity of paths to further my dealings with such creatures, be it a summoning (spirits only), binding of a demon or sprit, a banishing, or any other matter that I might run into with with these creatures. What about us?

[cydira]

Now, I haven't read all the way through the posts, but I've had a few things strike a chord with me so I'm going to comment right now. If I happen to repeat some one else's comment, please forgive me.

First, on the point of the family traditions, I agree, it would be inappropriate to teach them in an academic format. It is an inhierent part of such a tradition for the individual to be taken into the familial structure (I believe an anthropologist could say clan in this case) and introduced into the tradition through that structure. An academic environment, such as a college, can not operate the same way as a clan. No matter how warm, friendly, and supportive this environment.

Now, I would have to say the question of protestors and violence threatened against such a college must be answered in plain and uncompromizing terms. I believe it in a right of all living beings to defend themselves against attack, a natural right one could say. While we can not volley back the same rediculous violence that others would launch at us, we can call on the resources of the law enforcement community, hire security gaurds for the institution, and offer the student body and any others courses in self defense in the event of a threat to their safety. It is a case of being proactive on one hand (ie the self defense classes) and practicing the art of stratigic defense on the other hand. It is a some what Oriental approach, when one attacks, you act to deflect the attacker and to disarm. It's not like you're initally out to harm in your defense methods, and I believe that this taictic would be in keeping with the general sense of ethics seen in the pagan community.

Third point I want to say something on is that I believe there is a need for a publically accessable educational institution for the pagan community. There is a great many individuals who prey on seekers/students who are honestly attempting to learn about paganism. These individuals who are preditors have been responcible for the harmful cults that have cast the pagan community in the negative light and we as a community must combat the image these people have painted on us. A pagan educational institution is an excellent place to do so. It becomes a medium of communication between the pagan community and the society at large, acting to clearly illustrate the ethics and general practices of the pagan belief systems.

Also, the need for a pagan educational institution is becuase it centralizes a very difficult and confusing mass of information. Instructors are more then conveyors of information, they guide a student through the information to help them understand it. This is necessary because if a student is left to their own devices, the educational process is more arduous and difficult. Effectively, the student is left ot reinvent the wheel before learning how to ride a bike, let alone drive a car. There is a collection of responcibilites that fall to publically visible clergy that several individuals in the pagan community yearn to take on.

An educational system can provide the tools for these individuals to do so in a skilled and competent manner. Clergy frequently serve a councilors, mediators, spiritual physicians, and community leaders. These are not positions that one can stumble through and hope for the best. We need training in how to teach a group of individuals, how to prepaire a spiritual lesson for seekers, how to comfort a troubled soul with more then just our presence, and much more. I am one of those people who wants to take the practice of the pagan religions out into the public, because I see a great need there for spiritual support. So what if the person coming to you is not pagan, I know a Catholic priest who had no problems hearing confession for an Anglican, and then gave a pagan a lesson in how to pray.

But, before I get too much farther up on my soap box, I'm going to log off and toddle away. I hope you glean some idea of what I was trying to say. If it didn't make sense, I'll try to rephrase it. :) G'night from my neck of the woods.

[shnen]

hey, even adding Paganism into a religion course in University would be a start...

Pagan college... I like it :) but for the basics, its hard to see how traditions would be passed down, but for those of us who don't have that benefit, nor the benefit of a coven, it would be nice. :)

[Sleeping Ghost]

The way i see it, as i have said before, it would be wonderful.... as far as i know, there are MANY more solitary practitioners out there, who dont have a "clan tradition" or a coven to follow... the university would benefit those the most of course, and it would also allow followers of traditions to expand on what they know.

[Aldrick]

You guys do know that there ARE Pagan/Witchcraft school and collages right? There was one in my area when I lived in Canada, located in Toronto.

Edited to add: There's also that school online. www.witchschool.com

[Grey]

Twig informed me of a druidic college though I cant remember were he said it was... maybe we should ask him.

[Nimueway Ariande]

I find the idea of a Wiccan and or Pagan centered college as fantastic. I particularly like the online courses. Many people learn better and are more organized in their day to day activities if they following a constructed guideline. I don't see how learning can ever be wrong. Of course, degree variations would account and not all people will be trained in third degree mysteries. So there is a definite need to establish a counsil of qualified High Priest/ess's to determine if a certain individual has the aptitude for the role of moral and divine counseling.

I've seen another college online. The College of the Sacred Mists. Although it is not free like The Witch School. It does look interesting. I'm debating on whether or not I will try it. The first and second degree course discription is possitively riviting. However I've no idea on the quality of feed back one gets from the teachers of the school. It is centered around Celtic/Faerie and the school fees are low enough to not turn you away immediatedly like some of the Online Druidic Schools I've come across.

The College of the Sacred Mists
http://www.workingwitches.com/

[~ Monk ~]

Twig informed me of a druidic college though I cant remember were he said it was... maybe we should ask him.

I think this is the one:

http://www.bandarach.org/

[WingedTigerChild]

I find the idea of a Pagan-centered school degrading because I think it takes away from the sacredness of the religion and commercializes it a little. That's just my $0.02

[banondraig]

i think it's a great idea. if i had the money i would have at least started to set one up by now.

[Prudence Rose]

There are pagan schools, its just that most of the are over the internet I think.

[Cerulean]

Just like Harry Potter!

What if there already is a School of Magic, but it's secret! What if you get the tap one day to be a scholar or instructor?

You would be given instructions to a secret portal somewhere no one would have suspected. Suddenly you are trying to wrap up your affairs to live to world where animals deliver your mail and there are no cars. All the things that seemed so important a few days ago seem like jokes.

[ambermystique]

I believe that creating a kind of "Pagan University" would prove to be extremely beneficial. If it were marketed and publicized in the right way, only minute amounts of people would have a problem with it. Also, if other types of alternative relgions were included, that would decrease the backlash. I took an Islam class (purely informational) and found absolutely no one that protested. I would, myself, love to be a student at a Pagan University, as I've received all of my info from books, internet, and word-of-mouth (not a lot of reliable word-of-mouth either). I'm all for it. I don't know if it was strictly a hypothetical question, but if not, count me in on helping in any way possible!

[Raydreamer]

Hmmmm, the idea about it being a retreat like learning place would be good, If it were well thought out and such. It could be turned into a commune that celebrated diversity. Everyone could help out gardening etc and you could become almost self sufficient and environmentally friendly (organic too!), possibly setting an example for other communities. There could be classes on cookery, aromatherapy, crystal healing, animal rearing, gardening and plant properties, healing and massage, woodwork and pottery, astronomy, astrology....hell, all kinds of things.

You could use many of the themes for forums right here...such as discussion workshops on Philosophy, theology, dreams, history, science....oooo i'm getting carried away here. ;)

[ajna]

It sounds like a wonderful idea. I would especially like it if it was handled like the training done in the Mysts of Avalon books (the Forest House is probably the one that talks about the training the most).

[tensen]

Possible Topics:
Comparative Religions
Anthropology
Women's Studies
Astromy/Astrology
Arthurian Studies
Languages (Celtic Studies)
Holistic Healing

Many of the topics are already taught. The problem is... the qualified teacher to teach them, really can't exist on the salary that such a school could offer.
Schools like Cherry Hill and the Wolenstein Seminary are a start... they have qualified professors for the most part... and they are developing curriculumns.

[Crystal_Raye]

Usually I'm against relgious schools and colleges but in this case I things its a good idea. There are a ton of Christian and Jewish schools so a Pagan school would only be fair.

[Antoninus]

Its a good idea on paper, but im inclined to agree with Rose. People would NOT take kindly to that kind of thing.

[Shy Hawk]

If you were to go to a school like that, and then wanted to put that information on a resume or application or something, I wonder if you would suffer descrimination based on that. Of course, religious descrimination on the job is against the law, but its not like they have to say why they didn't hire you.
I wonder if that would discourage some people from going to the school, especially if they had a career/job outside of a religious arena.
Thoughts?

[Antoninus]

Hawk brings up an interesting point. An employer could see that on an application and immediately shuffle your application to the bottom of the pile, making up some reason why he doesnt want to hire you. Especially in a town like mine where the Mormons controll EVERYTHING. (Precisely why we have 1 bar and 1 porn shop in a 100 mile radius and thats IT)

[charmedkisses1]

I don' think it's bad... but it could have some "iffy" things... :whistle:

[Fang of Loki]

I voted "Yes, it would be a great idea".

[Ravyn Sylverwyng]

I have to say that I think that it is a wonderful idea. The only problem would be coming up with the land, the teachers, and the cost to build such a thing. Then you are going to find the poor class of pagans that are genuinely interested, but can't afford it. I myself have learned mostly through books and internet. I think that it would be an even better idea to start classes on the internet to cater to the more finacially unsecure people out there. There are plenty of pagans out there that are unable to pay for the classes that are out there and so are left trying to learn from their public library, and are very unsuccessful at it. Especially if you have a family at home also.

This is just my thoughts.

[Hope3645]

I think it would be a great idea to have a Pagan college. It is an idea I have been playing with for a while now. There would definitely be a public uproar (at least in the south were I am from), but as has been said that just comes with the territory. If we want to change the way things are we have to get out there and show people what we are really like and that we will not back down. The real problem will be the financial bit. We would need a fairly large faculty, and facility so that we would be capable of offering the necessary amount of majors, as well as perhaps a minor program for Paganism. Somehow the facility and the facility will have to be paid for, but we would have a problem using tuition money for this because most 18-year-olds do not have 12-20 thousand dollars a year just lying around. Our parents for the most part would not pay for a Pagan college, and since it would have to be private we couldn't use federal aid (I think). But someday it will probably happen (at which point I will probably aready have my degree and be among the first in line to attend and teach!!).

[IvyWitch]

Personally I think what we have now is working just fine. I like taking classes at the different shops and even online (like here ^.-). There's always a wide array of topics and views on said topics.
I think a retreat is a nice idea, like those Yoga retreats that they do, but a school, well it's not a bad idea, it's just somewhat pretentious and would probably never work.

[aluokaloo]

I think its a good idea. Yes it would have repercussions but then again, so does everything in life. I would love to see such a thing. The world isn't ready for open paganism... well the pagans back in the day weren't ready for open christianity either, but such things do come. I like the idea.

[aluokaloo]

Their are pagans all over the world so there would have to be many colleges don't you think.... everyone seems to talking about one college.
And the point of taking everything as absolute fact thats been brought up.... most pagans I know are smart enough to realive that just because you say so dosen't make it true. The classes would have to on something specific ( norse pantheon, cletic pantheon, tarot, palmistry etc) with and expert in each feild.
since paganism is a tlk out of it what you want students would probably have to do papers for most of their assignment (if the'yre to be given)
So if you were to make a "college" you should probably try something more along an institute. ( a bunch of people doing stuff on the same basic topic- paganism)

Besides where would you put it??



"Brick by brick my citizens." One pagan college would be a start, as nice as it would be its difficult to just have them pop up all over the country side like rabbits in the grass. :smile:

[Gede]

MM~
The concept of an actual, physical Pagan college has been gnawing at my mind for a while now and I believe that in the near future, we could probably achieve it. However I do not see it as an institutionalised version of Pagan learning, rather a theorised advance into academic learning.

Concerning teachers and funds, I'm sure that the diverse range of Pagan organisations and even the individuals and groups that comprise of the localised and global communities would probably want to donate to such a cause, perhaps even links with other independent or government organisations could benefit the school. Teachers, I imagine, would be skilled individuals who would either volunteer or receive their salary from the school's revenue *not sure on that one yet*.

Imagine if we could get such a thing up and going :bouncysmi

Namaste, Gede...

[Jyssca]

I think it would be a great idea. :)

[Keith Dragon]

Don't you guys think it would be interesting to have a school about Paganism, where you can actually attend and learn about it??? It wouldn't be just for pagans, it would be for everyone who is interested in the faith and could come for however long they wanted to learn what they wanted to learn:) I don't know, I have this fairy take like Idea, that it would the neatest thing to have school of Paganism...<----Too much Harry Potter NO:) :lol:
I've been working on this very thing for over 10 years now, but it involves more than just Paganism. It would be more a Univeristy for the Seeker, that is those of us that have a thirst for knowledge, and becoming better spiritual beings in all aspects of Civilization and not just religion. It would be a remerging of all paths of enlightenement, including Culture and Science. You would come here to have a balanced understanding of where you are in the cosmos in relation to everything else, in Mind, Body, and Spirit.

Not to go to far into my details, but I envision it being in a setting like in Harry Potter, but more so, like Rivendell in Lord of the Rings, and it would also exist not only as a University, but also as a Community.

Part of what I have found in my post-University life is that my thirst for knowledge has not subsided, but grown, now that I know what i know now. However, trying to quench that thirst is very difficult, because there is no place designed to commune with others in a University type atmosphere.

Yes, you can go back to university, but most universities now are merely interested in mass producing degreed people and not embracing the passion that is knowledge.

I envision a place we all can go to, and some even live within, occasionaly, monthly, weekly, what have you. A place to escpae the craziness that is the outside world, and submerge yourself within the Fruit of Knowledge, and expand your consciousness.

For those of you that know me, probably have heard me speak of this from time to time as my destiny, for that it is.

For what my University is to be is a beacon of Understanding that we all can attain free of prejudice and judgement of our beliefs

It is a place where you are not criticizes for your spiritual path, but encouraged along it no matter what that may be.

It would be a place for those that find they have arrisen above the foolish, child-like antics of religious verbal warfare, and understand that we all exist as one, and that all paths lead to the same Ocean of Consciousness,

A place where we all share our ideas, free from fear of Crucifiction by our peers. Learn and grow within our spirit, and everyone is an inspiration for everyone.

Trust me, what I envision does not exist, on the scale I see within my future, and nothing like it has ever existed. A single Center to embrace all of Human Civilization as a single Civilization of many cultures.

A plan on the University to be the Experiement for a better life, as America once was, in ideal, but has lost. A place to re-kindle the dreams of Spirit, and manifest them into reality.

Within its walls shall be a society the likes the world has never seen for within it will exist the seeds from all corners of the earth to come together, and them explode back into the world with a Clearer Understanding of Existence, and where we are going.

It will be a University of not One Path, but all Paths existing as One.

It will not be capitalistic, it will not be Communistic, it will be nothing like this world has ever seen, and a new form of Being will be the product of it.

It will be where a Duality will exist as a Dynamic Whole.

All these words can only touch the edge of what my vision is. I cannot find the words in this present moment to describe its Beauty.

It will be a University that is a City, and a City that is a University.

It will be a Temple that is a Synogogue that is a Mosque, that is a Cathedral, that is a Coven upon itself.

It will be a place for people that understand that there can be no peace in this world under a Single Religion, but only exist under a Single Understanding of Existence.

I envision this University to exist upon 3000-4000 acres of property, and be completely self-sufficient. All structures will have a found balance with the Nature that surrounds it, and amplify Nature, rather than squash it into submission.

My one wish is to have people to share this dream with, not only be a part of it, but to help build it as well. I want this Dream to grow and become an Enduring vision of the best we can achieve as a Civilization.

This University will not be the Best of the Best of the Best, but rather all those that Seek the Best in themselves.

This is my heart, this is my life. I seek this dream because I am tired of living in this Mundane World we all know so well, and Desire to see a better one take its place. I began this path first in finding someone that was doing this, but that failed. So I decided to do it myself. Rather than Bitch and Moan about the wrongs in the world, I Seek to do something about fixing it, and this Dream is what was born out of that Journey.

If any of you are truly interested in what I had to say here and want to hear more of my ideas, please PM me. Also, I would love to hear your ideas, for my dream continually evolves, and gets bigger day to day.

Dragon

[Planetary Eulogy]

Is it a good idea? Depends on how much intellectual honesty you apply to it.

[SacredWithin]

I think it would be an awsome idea.....but for some reason i can't get the image of picketers marching around outside chanting mean things.... or bomb threats.....or people taking classes only so they could argue and bash and try to change peoples beliefs or yell and scream about how evil it all is......

I voted that it would have reprecussions.....unfortunately, I don't think the world is ready for such open paganism.... and people might feel uncomfortable about exposing themselves to such a degree..... depending on the degree of dispute, it could make people less inclined to come out of the closet, so to say.....

Well, if we are not open for schools...we have covens holding classes...(they're only online huh?)

It's time to get out of the virtual world and start something.

"You must be the change you wish to see" - Mahatma Gandhi

[NarYave]

we could sure use it English 101 then
How to Make a Altar 90

[edwin]

Don't you guys think it would be interesting to have a school about Paganism, where you can actually attend and learn about it??? It wouldn't be just for pagans, it would be for everyone who is interested in the faith and could come for however long they wanted to learn what they wanted to learn:) I don't know, I have this fairy take like Idea, that it would the neatest thing to have school of Paganism...<----Too much Harry Potter NO:) :lol:
hi ,i have heard of schools over the internet but there expensive to me at least if there were schools that were less expensive than that would be an option but i dont have credit cards. and its not that easy to get money orders.it would probably be for people that were really serious about schooling and training.my name is edwin by the way and im new here and i have been invovled since 2002. i think thats about it. blessed be edwin

[dr_zeus440]

i went with absolutely not...because sub-culture is always more fun. who wants/needs a college when you can get lost in the nearest national park and learn? besides, what would be taught? what aspect of neo-paganism is not subjective and debatable? whats the purpose of teaching a class on tools if the final lesson is "oh, btw, it doesnt really matter, you can use them for anything", or herbs, if...anything can be used as an alternative to...anything else? the teachable aspects are mostly historical, and there are plenty of colleges out there that give history courses. i dont think its a good idea, because its idealistic, unfeasible and impractical.

[Keith Dragon]

i went with absolutely not...because sub-culture is always more fun. who wants/needs a college when you can get lost in the nearest national park and learn? besides, what would be taught? what aspect of neo-paganism is not subjective and debatable? whats the purpose of teaching a class on tools if the final lesson is "oh, btw, it doesnt really matter, you can use them for anything", or herbs, if...anything can be used as an alternative to...anything else? the teachable aspects are mostly historical, and there are plenty of colleges out there that give history courses. i dont think its a good idea, because its idealistic, unfeasible and impractical.
Unfortunately I disagree. I've been working on this idea for many years, and it can and will work if done correctly. I also sense and underlying hunger for it.

There are many spiritual tools that can be taught and would be most beneficial under the setting of a school. Though I would expect it to be more of an Ashram type of atmosphere.

Of the things that can be taught, though not limited to Pagan issues:

Meditation
Dream Control
Astral Projection
Herbology
Divination
Chakra Healing
Reiki
Acupuncture
T'ai Chi
Sacred geometry & Mandalas
Spiritual Practices like the Qaballah, and Yoga
Homeopathy
Naturopathy
History from a Pagan perspective

But also, how these all relate to Science and Civilization.

You may say that these are all subjective subjects, but we need a place where we can truly study them, explore them, and see if indeed they have merit. Most have proven their wealth to society, and should be expounded.

Also, there is much to Paganism that can be taught like:

Pagan Ethics
Working with Covens
Understanding the Power of Symbols, Rituals, and Idols
How to Manifest the energy of your intent.
How to live and relate to a world that is beginning to accept you.

When you really sit down and think about it, there is truly a great deal that could be incorporated into the school.

We think there isn't much, because most of us only see the small parts we involve ourselves in and not see the whole picture.

Also, a center of the sort, would help to validate the spiritual path and give it a solid foundation.

What I invision is something grander than even this gives credit for. But we shall see if the Universe answers my Will.

Dragon

[dr_zeus440]

i see what you mean by the underlying hunger comment, because in its basic theory, it sounds like a good idea. but...part of that which makes paganism different to other religions is that paganism doesnt have authoritative and rock-solid schools of thought. for instance, while you may class acupuncture, reiki, chakra healing, homeopathy and naturopathy as aspects of paganism, i dont, i see them as subtopics under alternative medicine, for which there are already many schools, courses, degrees etc. pagan ethics, ok, admirable, but are we talking in the context of a heroic ethical system such as might be found in asatru, or of the more "good and bad" type that you find in wicca? how to manifest the energy of your intent, there are a million and one ways to do it, from visualization, to ritual work, to spells, gnosis, right down to simply imagining it up and letting it loose. the power of symbols, ok, well in a pagan context, are symbols powerful because they tap into the subconscious mind, or because they connect with a pantemporal idea and harness the power of it? who knows? does it matter? i think the idea of a pagan college is unfeasible and impractical because there are so many fundamental questions in paganism to which the answers are many and varied. the scope of the courses would either be phenomenally detailed in small areas, or shallow though encompassing more topics. paganism is too fluid to be taught effectively, and its a spirituality that begs experiencing, not just being taught. i think that one of the key factors contributing to diversity in paganism is that the sources of education are scattered and varied...

anyway, the lack of structure in this post is a good indicator that i need to sleep. ill be back tomorrow, id love to see just what you propose teaching in some of the subjects above though, coz to my mind it would be nigh impossible.

[Keith Dragon]

I think the idea of a pagan college is unfeasible and impractical because there are so many fundamental questions in paganism to which the answers are many and varied.
And I would say that is because there is no center to focus the Pagan energy from. All those questions, and nowhere to find a valid answer. However, if we have a place that was open to exploring all spiritual paths, Pagan included, we can begin to better focus our understanding to discover the answers to those many questions you speak of.

I am not talking of a single way to approach Paganism, but more of a dynamic / organic approach to learning.

learning in the traditional sense is lenear, as with most countries systems. Approaching a spiritual learning and curriculum would require a more multi-dimensional approach.


the scope of the courses would either be phenomenally detailed in small areas, or shallow though encompassing more topics. paganism is too fluid to be taught effectively, and its a spirituality that begs experiencing, not just being taught.
Just because it doesn't exist yet, does not make it an impossibility. You have to approach it from a different framework, and that is the only way it will work.

Schools go beyond just learning, it also involve incorporation into one's path, how it effects Civilization, as well as practice and experience. I invision a place that promotes openly the use of Pagan and other spiritual practices to create a medium to have those experiences in a controlled environment so you have the answers ready to help you grow spiritually.

I envision a school that has no teachers, but only students, each there because they want to be there and grow, not because they have to. An environment for the Seeker to explore all facets of their spirituality, including Pagan paths but not limited to, because to have a vast understanding of reality, you need to incorporate all of humanity.

i think that one of the key factors contributing to diversity in paganism is that the sources of education are scattered and varied...
Your correct, but have we come to a time where paganism must take the necessary steps to organize and validate itself, not under a single spiritual path but a single understanding that we all our spirit experiencing different things.

The problem I see in today's pagan community is that there is a giant influx of people coming into the path. And many will fall prey to those practitioners that seek to control them through false ideals. If we do not create a sense of order, we will only validate the beliefs of those that our opposed to our spiritual way of life.

Paganism has grown substantially over the past decade alone, and many people may come to harm, or be lost to false paths.

anyway, the lack of structure in this post is a good indicator that i need to sleep. ill be back tomorrow, id love to see just what you propose teaching in some of the subjects above though, coz to my mind it would be nigh impossible.
But I see a way to do it. And that is what I am building. Whether or not people think it is an impossibility, I believe if you look at the whole picture, it is something that needs to be done. But it will take many bridges to be built and walls to come down.

Pick a topic, and I will use it as an example.

Dragon

[raminda]

It's an interesting idea, almost a great one but I can't imagine the majority of the population being open to something like that.

[ealawyn]

... There are many spiritual tools that can be taught and would be most beneficial under the setting of a school. Though I would expect it to be more of an Ashram type of atmosphere.

Of the things that can be taught, though not limited to Pagan issues:

Meditation
Dream Control
Astral Projection
Herbology
Divination
Chakra Healing
Reiki
Acupuncture
T'ai Chi
Sacred geometry & Mandalas
Spiritual Practices like the Qaballah, and Yoga
Homeopathy
Naturopathy
History from a Pagan perspective

:) GREAT IDEA.

A PAGAN LIBRARY WOULD BE WONDERFUL TOO.
I'M SPENDING A LIFE'S FORTUNE ON BOOKS!! :reading:
BIBLES ARE FREE, :whatgives HOW COME BOOKS ON CANDLE MAJICK CAN'T BE?

But also, how these all relate to Science and Civilization.

You may say that these are all subjective subjects, but we need a place where we can truly study them, explore them, and see if indeed they have merit. Most have proven their wealth to society, and should be expounded.

Also, there is much to Paganism that can be taught like:

Pagan Ethics
Working with Covens
Understanding the Power of Symbols, Rituals, and Idols
How to Manifest the energy of your intent.
How to live and relate to a world that is beginning to accept you.

Yes, this is a great idea too. :thumbsup:

[Keith Dragon]

BIBLES ARE FREE, :whatgives HOW COME BOOKS ON CANDLE MAJICK CAN'T BE?
Have you gone into your local Christian Way Store, Bibles are getting pretty expensive. http://www.angrygeeks.org/mw/images/smilies2/loco.gif

Plus, the Copyright on the Bible ran out a long time ago, the ones the most likely wrote about the candle magick have to make a living too.

Dragon

[DraconisArcanus]

Unfortunately I disagree. I've been working on this idea for many years, and it can and will work if done correctly. I also sense and underlying hunger for it.

There are many spiritual tools that can be taught and would be most beneficial under the setting of a school. Though I would expect it to be more of an Ashram type of atmosphere.

Of the things that can be taught, though not limited to Pagan issues:

Meditation
Dream Control
Astral Projection
Herbology
Divination
Chakra Healing
Reiki
Acupuncture
T'ai Chi
Sacred geometry & Mandalas
Spiritual Practices like the Qaballah, and Yoga
Homeopathy
Naturopathy
History from a Pagan perspective

But also, how these all relate to Science and Civilization.

You may say that these are all subjective subjects, but we need a place where we can truly study them, explore them, and see if indeed they have merit. Most have proven their wealth to society, and should be expounded.

Also, there is much to Paganism that can be taught like:

Pagan Ethics
Working with Covens
Understanding the Power of Symbols, Rituals, and Idols
How to Manifest the energy of your intent.
How to live and relate to a world that is beginning to accept you.

When you really sit down and think about it, there is truly a great deal that could be incorporated into the school.

We think there isn't much, because most of us only see the small parts we involve ourselves in and not see the whole picture.

Also, a center of the sort, would help to validate the spiritual path and give it a solid foundation.

What I invision is something grander than even this gives credit for. But we shall see if the Universe answers my Will.

Dragon

I think you hit it right on trhe head. You may even include some of the specialized pagan religions too. I attend WitchSchool.com on the web now but they also have a campus in IL. which I hope to visit in the near future.

Peace!

[Shesepiebset]

Absolutely not. Why? Because "paganism" is not "a" faith. It is not "a" religion. It is a category of many faiths and religions, many of which have next to nothing in common with each other.

If I went to a pagan college, I'm fairly certain I know exactly what would happen. The entire setup would probably be mostly Wiccan, or at least mostly Celtic, two things which are not a part of my religion. There may be emphasis on witchcraft. I'm not a witch. There might be things dealing with several religious practices that I absolutely do not do.

This is how I feel when I go to "Pagan Pride" events. They are so incredibly Wiccan/Goddess centered that there's no reason for me to really be there. I've even been accused of pretending to be a pagan.

If there was a pagan religious college, I'd hope it was specifically geared to a particular pagan religion. Not "paganism" in general.

[seeker of knowledge]

I think the Idea of a pagan school is a great Idea. Just having a place where you can get together with other pagans and learn all the mysteries that life has in store for everyone. But why does it have to be a physical place? Why can't it be an online place, so people wouldn't have to "come out of the closet" about being pagan. I for one would be cast from my family if my father found out what I believe.

[charmedkisses1]

i wouldn't like it

it would be biased and would probably only concentrate on the main pagan faiths, like just wicca.

[charmedkisses1]

Have you gone into your local Christian Way Store, Bibles are getting pretty expensive. http://www.angrygeeks.org/mw/images/smilies2/loco.gif

Plus, the Copyright on the Bible ran out a long time ago, the ones the most likely wrote about the candle magick have to make a living too.

Dragon
yeah mine cost 70 :lol: (it's italian colored leather though)

[OMmomma]

who misunderstood the poll question?

When I read the poll: Pagan College: Open to all, I immediately assumed you meant a regular college with a pagan sponsorship and some pagan philoshophy majors and maybe a post grad pagan program. You know, like a Catholic college, they don't just teach catholicism, they have quite a diverse catalog of majors and degrees available, and you don't have to be Catholic to attend. English and History majors, degrees in science and engineering, philosophy and the arts... Now that's the kind of college I would like to see. I think that would be a constructive way of allowing paganism to become more mainstream, and more respected. Afterall, all it takes is $$$$.... now that part's sad, but true....

[Dawa Lhamo]

A Pagan college to teach Paganism would have to have a distinct variety and attract teachers from all sorts of disciplines. It would have to be like any religious studies program at a secular college, but even more diverse. Cross-cultural classes would have to be taught in a balanced way. I think "Pagan" as most people have said, would really turn out to be "Wiccan". Not that I don't mind that, being Wiccan myself, but it would really limit enrollment.

OTOH, a Pagan college the way that there are other religious group-sponsored colleges (not seminaries), that I could get behind... if Pagans ever got organized enough to get the money to do so... lol... that's a pretty big if.

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo