Gas prices amidst the aftermath of Katrina

[Storm Moon]

I heard on the radio that gas prices may go up to $4 a gallon in my area. Has anyone heard anything about their area yet and could this happen?

[Shanti]

Yes it was anounced that price would go up a lot. We were at 2.75 on Monday...now, today, 2.99.

This will choke the money right out of the paychecks for many people. We are really starting to feel it. I did our budget for next month, we come up short. Now we hope my SO gets overtime!!

[Karma Chameleon]

It had better not go up to 4 dollars! I am already paying 3 dollars as it is! :ahhhh:

[Moriganna]

I'm in Northwest Arkansas (Fayetteville/Bentonville area), and when I came home for lunch today, the gas station (Shell) on the corner said $2.77. When I came home from work 3 hours later, it said $2.97. It will be a minimum of $3.00 by tomorrow, considering yesterday the gas stations around here were $2.50 or $2.53.

Plain and simple, this sucks.

[Storm Moon]

It was $2.59 last I checked, but I suspect it's went up since I went to the city earlier today. If it goes up over $3, I won't be able to do anything.

[Shanti]

The economy will hurt and the trickle down affect will be felt very much. Natural gas will sky rocket too...its already been said to expect it to be so this winter. Electric will rise too.

Jobs will boost, temporarily, but when the building is done...jobs will be gone. Factory demand for windows, fixtures and stuff will go up but after the buildings done..layoffs.

We will be on a downhill slide...go a tad uphill and back down. History repeats itself and thats just life.

[Ziana]

my boss also runs a couple gas stations in town and she was informed that they were going to be getting a set amount of gas per month, and after it was gone, that would be it. She was also told that if her signs didn't have a way to put a three in front, they better get some soon.

[Leatherwolffe]

I think much depends on your area. Honestly I think much of it is price gouging. Everything I've heard states it should go up nationally by $.15/gallon. Here it has only went up a few cents

[Akhkharu Asgard]

It's $3.09 right next to my college in northeast Ohio.

[greenwitch]

here in michigan it's $3.19 and going up.

[Morgandria]

We're paying $1.25/liter here.

Figure that $1 US is worth $1.20 CAN - effectively our gas prices are $1.05 US/liter.

Now a US gallon is 3.78 liters.

So...Our gas prices here are the equivalent of $3.96 US/gallon.

Fun, ain't it.

[xstarE_nitex]

my aunt and uncle in atlanta GA are paying over 5 dollars a gallon... and GA is running out of gas.... Im so glad Im up here in Illinois... its not that bad damn!
my friends in california got it pretty bad too... :goodgrief

[Derwin]

Gas stations are running out of gas here in GA. I've seen half mile lines of cars waiting for gas while leaving work today.

[Teresa]

All the gas stations near where I live that have huge lines of people waiting to buy gas.I figured that something must have been said about gas price increases .

[Old Witch]

We were waiting in line to get gas but the local news said there's plenty of gas....3.15 a gallon here....Ken got off work, gas was 2.89 a gallon, came home to get some money and when we went back to the station about 20 mins later, it was 3.15 a gallon..........

[Akashic Brother]

yeah 1.25 here in ontario. A 25% increase hmmm, I guess they must have lost 25% of their reserves... Somethings just not right...

[wolf]

I paid 2.599 yesterday, and 2.599 today at the same gas station. I think the price on premium may have actually gone down (I thought it was 2.899 yesterday and was 2.82 today ... might have been the Wacky Wednesday promotion, though)

I am near refineries. I don't know if that makes a difference.

[Shanti]

I paid 2.599 yesterday, and 2.599 today at the same gas station. I think the price on premium may have actually gone down (I thought it was 2.899 yesterday and was 2.82 today ... might have been the Wacky Wednesday promotion, though)

I am near refineries. I don't know if that makes a difference.
There is a low and high limit all must follow. Perhaps they are at their legal low? Or they are taking a chance not raising it!

[xstarE_nitex]

gas is running out in some areas due to something wrong with the pipe lines in the hurricane dissaster areas... but they will redirect them and gas should be back in no longer than a week I was told bye my uncle.. but still thats a offle lot of time.... and so people are taking advantage of the situation uping prices.... its just horrible.... I wish I could send my family money to help them... :(.. somethings gotta be done

[Amryn]

Yesterday it was $2.59 here. Today it is $2.69 and that's the cheapest I've seen. On my way home from work every gas station had a line. I don't know if there is really a shortage of gas right now or if people are just panicking for no reason. :geez: If gas prices go any higher I'm going to have to drag out my bicycle...oh wait I forgot I sold that last year...darn. I guess I will be walking.

[Shanti]

gas is running out in some areas due to something wrong with the pipe lines in the hurricane dissaster areas... but they will redirect them and gas should be back in no longer than a week I was told bye my uncle.. but still thats a offle lot of time.... and so people are taking advantage of the situation uping prices.... its just horrible.... I wish I could send my family money to help them... :(.. somethings gotta be done
Some may be but its illegal. Most are raising it as they were told to do so. There i a low and high limit they can sell for.
Some areas are higher than others because the cost of living is different. And the low and high correspond for that area.

[Etoile]

Supposedly, they are releasing the oil reserves, so it should go back down in a few days.

[Karma Chameleon]

It cost me 130 dollars to fill my truck up with gas, they jacked up the price to 6.35:collapse:

[Shanti]

It cost me 130 dollars to fill my truck up with gas, they jacked up the price to 6.35:collapse:
If your in the US thats is ripping people off. Instead of filling up you call the authorities. They wont allow that price right now anyhow!
I take it your not in the US.

[Karma Chameleon]

If your in the US thats is ripping people off. Instead of filling up you call the authorities. They wont allow that price right now anyhow!
I take it your not in the US.


I am in Florida. I already filled up my truck because I need the gas for latter in the week. I heard on the radio that Florida and Georgia and some of the other states are running out of gas.

[Etoile]

It cost me 130 dollars to fill my truck up with gas, they jacked up the price to 6.35:collapse:
:jawdrop:

[Shanti]

I am in Florida.

Then why did you pay over 6 bucks a gallon?
They dont allow gas stations to do that!!
Call the authorities. Save your receipt. You can get your money back that you over paid!

[Karma Chameleon]

Then why did you pay over 6 bucks a gallon?
They dont allow gas stations to do that!!
Call the authorities. Save your receipt. You can get your money back that you over paid!


Because, it was the cheapest gas I could find when I was looking to fill up. I do save all my receipts, so who exactly should I call though? The police?

[atropa]

I'm in Montgomery and all the gas stations are running out of gas. My husband's out now trying to find some because we were almost on E. I guess I'll find out how much he paid in a little while. Anybody see that FX original movie "Oil Storm"? Scarily like the movie.

[Shanti]

Because, it was the cheapest gas I could find when I was looking to fill up. I do save all my receipts, so who exactly should I call though? The police?

Call your local tv station they are quicker at solving the prob. Price gougers are fun for the news people. They like torturing them!!

[atropa]

Well, 2.99 here.

[Shanti]

It cost me 130 dollars to fill my truck up with gas, they jacked up the price to 6.35

I just looked at all the news from florida concerning gas prices. There are none that high. They are from the high 2 dollars to low 3 dollars per gallon. I also looked at the AAA daily gas reports..same thing. Wherever you are its not the norm. Calling the tv stations would really stop that fast!! Let me know when they report it so I can see what they are going to legally do to those gas station owners! I hope they sock it to them good.

[DarkDancer]

My locqal Speedway (it's half a mile from the speedway corporate offices BTW) said they are going up to close to $4.00 in the early morning. That's from $3.09.

[Rainstorme]

gas prices in atlanta are as high as $5.87 a gallon!!!! I got the last drop of gas in douglasville, ga. man there were a lot of pissed off people. I had to go to 8 differnt gas stations and i finally found the one gas staion that still had some. I paid for #3.79 for that

[Shanti]

gas prices in atlanta are as high as $5.87 a gallon!!!! I got the last drop of gas in douglasville, ga. man there were a lot of pissed off people. I had to go to 8 differnt gas stations and i finally found the one gas staion that still had some. I paid for #3.79 for that

Thats way over the top too..report them!! 5.87 is gouging.

[Autumn]

The prices pooped up here too...I saw premium for 3.71-9 yesterday thet was 2.99-9

To my knowledge there is no price control on gasoline. I know they'll have supply issues in the east for a while but the price has risen so much in the last year and a half that big oil should have been able to suck up this price spike. I'm not talking about gas stations, I'm talking about the big boys Shell, Sunoco, Exxon-Mobil, those folks! Local outlets may do some price gouging, but in the main our problem is further upstraem in the oil supply.

[~Anamorata~]

It's $3.09 right next to my college in northeast Ohio.

Same here in Central Ohio($3.09).

[Shanti]

The prices pooped up here too...I saw premium for 3.71-9 yesterday thet was 2.99-9

To my knowledge there is no price control on gasoline. I know they'll have supply issues in the east for a while but the price has risen so much in the last year and a half that big oil should have been able to suck up this price spike. I'm not talking about gas stations, I'm talking about the big boys Shell, Sunoco, Exxon-Mobil, those folks! Local outlets may do some price gouging, but in the main our problem is further upstraem in the oil supply.

They just said on the news that price gouging with the gas is illegal. And my DIL knows a gas station owner..he said the gov does regulate thats why he cant lower his price. He is the lowest in the area by 1 cents. Its the lowest he can go by law.

[Aidron]

$130.00 freakin' dollars to fill up a truck? Kiddo, I'd sell that car the first chance you get, you must get terrible mileage or something... and with gas likely to not go down anytime soon... I'm quite thankful I am not you. I would be tossed out of this house for not making payments just to keep my car filled within a few months.

[Agaliha]

looks like $2.80 for WA...

[Shanti]

$130.00 freakin' dollars to fill up a truck? Kiddo, I'd sell that car the first chance you get, you must get terrible mileage or something... and with gas likely to not go down anytime soon... I'm quite thankful I am not you. I would be tossed out of this house for not making payments just to keep my car filled within a few months.

She paid 'over' 6 bucks a gallon!!! Heck the truck could be a four banger and good on gas!!
My SO has a truck. A little Nissan..it gets good milage even though its got 200k miles on it. He has a 20 gallon tank so if he filled up at just 6 bucks a gallon..it would be 120 bucks!!

And if its a big truck..no one will buy it and if your broke..your stuck!!

[redring]

Supposedly, they are releasing the oil reserves, so it should go back down in a few days.

they said it probably will not change costs though. Read here

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/31/bush.oilreserve.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/31/bush.oilreserve.ap/index.html)

also this is cute but more and more true
http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php (http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php)

[Shadow Dreamer]

here in michigan it's $3.19 and going up.
...I haven't finished reading the thread, but on my way home from work (1:30am, local) it was up to $3.30 with predictions on the news radio channel that it would go up past $3.50 before the weekend with no relief before the end of the year....guess I am going to have to look for a new job, since I work 43 miles away!!!!

[Storm Moon]

Sheesh, 6.35?? That is price gouging and someone should put a stop to it. It's around $3 here just as I thought.

[LacyRoze]

Last night hubby and I went shopping. The gas station on the opposite corner from the grocery store had gas for $2.69. When we came out of the store 45 mins later it was $2.79. We're in N.E. Arkansas.

[Pagan Mantis]

You'd think we would have better gas prices in Michigan, or at least here in the "motor city." Detroit area is right around the $3.19 mark, and some gas stations in Lansing, I've heard, have completely run dry on gas and have no intentions of restocking. This is ridiculous!

[SSanf]

I'm sorry but if we have had to tap into the oil reserves, the time for rationing is here!

We MUST maintain those reserves! Our national security depends on it.

[atropa]

This is bad. Real bad.

[Faery-Wings]

Mon we are around 2.59, then it jumped to 2.70 on Tues, 2.99 yesterday and then 3.39 this mornng.
My friend called me from her cell, there was a place in town at 2.89- i ran right out to top off. 17.00 for 1/4 tank of gas. Unfrickin beleivable

So do any of you remember the gas lines fromthe 70's? I remember freezing my hiny off waiting in the car with my mom for hours to get gas. We'd bring our sleeping bag and lay int he back of the station wagon.

[klong2007]

Gas in my area was $2.99 a gallon for regular. We are expecting $5 soon and we are a very little town.

[LacyRoze]

Our one and only gas station here in Piggott just ran out of gas and doesn't know when they'll be receiving more...:foh:

[Vetteman]

Oh this is joyous to those of us prone to panic attacks. I really feel like mentally exploding, the prices in the last year have gone up with no "real" reasons given by the oil companies who are quoting record profits. We basically are being screwed, and the sad thing is, no one is doing anything to stop it. People panicking and filling their cars only add to the bad situation by forcing a consumer generated gas shortage where if people maintained the status quo a lot of this would not happen. Take note that even though the Gov has tapped the reserve, and the pipes and rigs and refineries are being turned back on, I would bet the prices will continue to rise.

:mad:

[Karma Chameleon]

$130.00 freakin' dollars to fill up a truck? Kiddo, I'd sell that car the first chance you get, you must get terrible mileage or something... and with gas likely to not go down anytime soon... I'm quite thankful I am not you. I would be tossed out of this house for not making payments just to keep my car filled within a few months.


No, the mileage is pretty good for a truck (less compared to some of the others I've driven), my Dodge Ram has about a 20 gallon tank and it was about empty when I filled it, they were charging over 6 dollars per gallon. I did however go back this morning and complain, I told them that if they didn't give me some of my money back I would report them for price gouging to the media, I ended up getting roughly 65 dollars back. They lowered it from 6 back to 3. I will not be filling up at that Shell gas station again though.

And I can't sell my truck, it is my only means of transportation. I paid cash for it so it's all payed off, if I sold it now during this price hike in gas I'd hardly get any money for it, if I could sell it at all. The in thing to buy now is hybrid cars, not pick up trucks on lift kits with giant tires.

I did notice yesterday when I was out on the road that it was almost like being in the twlight zone, there was hardly any traffic...I couldn't see a SUV, van, or large car in site. It was nice, but a little eerie because I am used to having to drive in heavy traffic, oft times bumper to bumper, with a lot of bad drivers. The only other vehicles on the road were a few semi trucks, some small cars, an occasional pick up truck, and me.

I've looked up on the internet and found this website, it might come in handy for those in the USA and Canada. http://www.gasbuddy.com/ (http://www.gasbuddy.com/) You can look up and find which gas station as the cheapest gas in your area.

[erlynn]

I haven't been through the whole thread yet, but I been hearing/reading this in a million other places and I just have to respond to those people:

I'm getting really tired of people saying, "Don't complain, gas is 3 times as expensive in Europe." Well, you know what? They have state-of-the-art mass transit systems, things are closer together and high gas prices have been a part of their budgets. We are not used to prices rising so quickly. It's not giving us any time to adjust our budget. It's putting a huge strain on our wallets and our incomes are not increasing anywhere near the rate at which gas prices are increasing!

Argh! I can't wait until people in the US wake up and get ideas for transit systems. I've already written letters and have been looking into walking/biking trails and bus routes. So far the bus routes would take me 4 hours to get to work (one way). Ugh.

Gas was $2.55 at the beginning of this week. Now it is $3.09 at the same station as of this morning. It might be higher by the time I go home.

[pawnman]

I think much depends on your area. Honestly I think much of it is price gouging. Everything I've heard states it should go up nationally by $.15/gallon. Here it has only went up a few cents

It's likely to go up in this area, because the major source of gasoline for Pensacola is tankers coming into Pensacola Bay from the refineries in and around New Orleans and Mobile, all of which were shut down by Katrina. There are a lot of gas stations around here that don't have any gas at all. Keep in mind we were already overstressing the supply of gasoline (since we don't have enough refinery capacity), and now we've just taken 4 gasoline refineries off-line for who-knows-how-long.

[Dave the Druid]

My area, upstate NY around Rochester is showing about $2.99.

Will it go up to $3.00? I have heard that in North Texas, an area long known for cheaper than average fuel prices, is already up to $3.00.

Will it go to $4/gal? I hope no. but fear yes. The economics is really simple and the politics behind it are, well hideous. If you can get a copy I would suggest Molly Ivins book "Bushwhacked" for the back story or "shrub, the short but happy politicol life of George W. Bush". Either of these will give you an idea about why there is a rise in gas price.

That said; back in the UK after a few quick conversions, a gallon of petrol is about $6.22.

Sad to say but we are in for a rough ride.

Also remember, once a price has gone up it rarely goes down.

[pawnman]

It will just spur the development of new, renewable technologies. The more expensive oil becomes, the cheaper its alternatives look. And it won't just be consumers who feel the pinch: major corporations are going to be spending millions more on gasoline and other oil-based products than they have been, and you'd better believe they'll all be looking for a way to cut those costs.

There's an article in this month's Scientific American about it. The author basically says we're in good shape to start the conversion, because it's cheaper to save gas than to buy it.

[Dave the Druid]

It will just spur the development of new, renewable technologies. The more expensive oil becomes, the cheaper its alternatives look. And it won't just be consumers who feel the pinch: major corporations are going to be spending millions more on gasoline and other oil-based products than they have been, and you'd better believe they'll all be looking for a way to cut those costs.

There's an article in this month's Scientific American about it. The author basically says we're in good shape to start the conversion, because it's cheaper to save gas than to buy it.

Brother,

I pray you are right! but fear otherwise. For too long we have relied on oil and have done too little to wean ourselves off it. Perhaps "conversation" should be upgraded to "Shout for solution."

[pawnman]

Brother,

I pray you are right! but fear otherwise. For too long we have relied on oil and have done too little to wean ourselves off it. Perhaps "conversation" should be upgraded to "Shout for solution."

We have all the technology necessary. This will bring the market forces to bear on the problem. Now if only the government would stop subsidizing waste and penalizing conservation...

[Dave the Druid]

Fair enough.

If you get the chance, try to get one of the books I mentioned before. I know it might be heresey for you, AD Lt and all but they are still worth a read especially "shrub".

[redring]

I have been on about this stuff for a bit , but no one cares. Just because it will cost a lot at first to get things changed in the long run we have the ability to live cheaper lives with more readily renewable and eco friendly products that will make more profit in the long run. Like cleaner cheaper fules, hemp instead of trees ( well instead of a lot of things, Hemp is verry quickly renewable and cheap to grow and harvest 1 field of hemp replaces 4 fields of trees when produced into products) Dosent it seem silly to keep cutting trees????

Also check the cheapest fule prices in youre area at this site and please add what prices you see as often as you can . We can all help each other through this.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/index.asp[/URL

More info
[URL=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_bi_ge/katrina_gas_prices_hk3]gass info (http://www.gasbuddy.com/index.asp)

[Old Witch]

Getting this thread back on topic....Just filled up, $3.18 a gallon and no lines....

[Calyx]

The prices pooped up here too...I saw premium for 3.71-9 yesterday thet was 2.99-9

To my knowledge there is no price control on gasoline. I know they'll have supply issues in the east for a while but the price has risen so much in the last year and a half that big oil should have been able to suck up this price spike. I'm not talking about gas stations, I'm talking about the big boys Shell, Sunoco, Exxon-Mobil, those folks! Local outlets may do some price gouging, but in the main our problem is further upstraem in the oil supply.
*sighs*
Let me tell y'all something... the Gulf of Mexico supplies 15% of the TOTAL amount of gas and oil used everyday in the world. There are 95 rigs and 5 refineries down, and that's just for one of those "bloodsucking" companies you mentioned above, the one I work for. The pipelines that supply the southern states are shut down due to damage. They are slated to reopen sometime tomorrow, but at limited capacities. Three of our refineries are closed indefinitely. The other two are trying to power up now. In the interim, MY refinery, in Deer Park Texas, is running at 92% capacity trying to supply all those greedy people screeching for gas in their big SUVs and Hummers. The company has contributed over 2 million dollars to Red Cross, with employee matching for another million. We've provided free fuel for search efforts and are doing amazing things in caring for employees who were hit by Katrina.

I'm really tired of people blaming the gas and oil companies. Believe me, we're doing all we can. You ought to start blaming a society who created total dependence on fossil fuel, if you want to blame someone. But that hits too close to home, probably, doesn't it? :fpatricks
Go ahead, flame away. I just want you to know that it's the law of supply and demand, not corporate greed. :geez:

[Shanti]

I dont care about the why's...I just know we are going broke as we are seeing increases in gas and utilities. These probs existed before the disaster. The disaster is just adding to an already messed up economy.

Watch the pay check shrink when you heat your house this winter...to whom do we, the average working joe, pass our extra cost to?

Eat the dam loss.
I am sick of paying out and I cant pass on the cost!

It always trickles down to the worker. Thats where the ball ends.

[starfire]

In California where I live, it is anywhere from 2.69 to 3.99

[taijiya]

Prices jumped from $2.79 to $3.29 in less than eight hours yesterday (this is in southern Indiana); I filled up the day before for $2.44. If my husband and I weren't able to carpool this would be even worse, but gods know it's bad enough. :(



~*~taijiya~*~

[Amryn]

This morning the cheapest gas around here was $2.89 at the 7-Eleven. Coming home gas had risen to $2.99. :holycow: I wonder what it will be tommorrow.

[redring]

I understand you love youre job, it shows. I bet its nice too. You have to also think though that just because they help and there are problems (no shortages wich I could see cost riseing then) Dose not mean costs should be so high. The gass staioons say its beyond there controll, they are the middle man and the larger companys are the reason. If that is not the case then the gov centaintly needs to investigate. although I am sure they are far more worried at the moment about rebuilding and helping those who have lost sooo much. Not much it will do though if by time they get to it the rest of the wourld has gon bankrupt. Our whole economy has a big problem and everyone wants to prepare now. More and more jobs are going over seas in a country that has few jobs that you can suport youre self on in the first place. It is not a problem that we will see right away, but it shows even now. cost of liveing is becoming greater daily and our jobs are saying they have to cut back!!! This means less HR, Pay, benifits. I seriously wonder if our gov is not for all of this. Down with middle class Up with rich and poverty. We cannot ignore this any more . We all need to stand togather and make it known we want a change. There are ways to make a difrence We need to push price caps for one.
I am verry happy about the 2 mil that was donated but if the company have to rack up prices sooo far to meet there costs it makes me wonder whear they had the extra 2 mil?? I believe in makeing a profit but it dose you no good when you are really hurting youre customers. If costs go up too much more It will be rice and potatos for me. The less people can afford the less jobs there are and then the less people can aford its a cycle. Sorry just had to spill my thoughts.

[Shanti]

3.25

My SO gets paid every 2 weeks.
At his last paycheck gas was 2.65
This pay check its 3.25

The paychecks stay the same though.

[pawnman]

Getting this thread back on topic....Just filled up, $3.18 a gallon and no lines....

Here in Pensacola it's $2.69...and you have to wait in line for over an hour. Maybe there's something to this supply and demand business.

[Storm Moon]

It's well over $3 here now. I heard it may go up to $4. Also, some gas stations here are putting a limit on how much you can purchase. This lady tonight told me that she could only put around $20 and that was it. I think some diesel places here have even run out.

[BelovedDru]

Gas is $3.09 here...it's not as bad as Florida...I mean, if I was paying that much just to fill up my car, I'd just move.

[Xander67]

I just got back from driving around looking at prices.

Some of the gas stations are charging $2.73 (which was about what it was before the storm) and a few others are charging over $3...

I didnt see any lines, People here are pretty smart... so I immagine the people who are charging over $3 a gallon wont sell much gas as long as the others are still charging $2.72

Im not too worried about the prices... now that the piplines are up and running again, things will slowly get back to the way they were before the storm... maybe by Christmas things will level out a bit... yes, we are haveing a crisis, but it is temporary, there is plenty of gas, the problem was getting it to the pumps...

Like I said, Im not worried at this point, we will just have to wait and see what happens...

[Xander67]

It's well over $3 here now. I heard it may go up to $4. Also, some gas stations here are putting a limit on how much you can purchase. This lady tonight told me that she could only put around $20 and that was it. I think some diesel places here have even run out.

the problem was with delivery, under the law only american transport companies were allowed to transport the gas within the us, but the president waived that law today so things should start to get better.......... you might see it go up to $4 maybe $5 a gallon, but once the trucks start moving again that will change...

[Trithemius]

$3.05 a gallon here.

[Xander67]

It is going to rise over the Labor day weekend as people travel, I filled up with Regular Tuesday when Regular was $2.40 *sigh* those were the days... :) now super is $2.73 in some places... and over $3 in others...

Im sure it will go up, Im expecting it to, but I am also expecting it to level out after next week. with the pipeline back in full operation.... I dream big dont i :(

[streghamadre]

I filled up this morning in North Dallas (Addison) at Racetrac for $2.89 a gallon. I remember freaking out after 9-11, when I waited in a very long line to fill up at $1.56. Amazing.

[Lilith Morgaine]

At 9 am here it was still $2.59 but OMG when I got out of classes @ 1pm it was $3.19

Based on everything I've heard locally (I live in NW CT) tommorrow it'll probably be about $3.40 and rising..... in Mass it's a Teeny Tiny bit cheaper and I have to drive there so I will probably fill up there fo about $3.05 I am kinda lucky though cuz on avg. my car gets 26-28 mpg......
All my professors have said we're heading back to the 1930's..... terrifying.....

[Painted_Crow]

As I stated in another thread similar to this:

Releasing oil from our reserves will show little to no effect on prices. "W" has his hands stained in oil and his money is covered in it. He'll make up an excuse as always as to why he cannot do anything about it and we will keep feeding the petroleum monster. That is, untill we realize that alternative energy is the way to go. Yes prices are high right now, but that is because there is little demand for it. But if lets say for the sake of argument, 40-50% of Americans want to use alternative energy then production and supplies for alternative energy will go and prices will come down.

What I mean by alternative energy pertains to two things: business/residential and transportation. For years I have been looking into converting my home to solor and wind power only. With a backup generator for bad storms or such. I would like to be the first house in the area to proove that you can harness the power of the sun (with no affiliation to Sunny Delight orange juice) and wind currents. I plan on making my house (which is actually painted this way when I bought it) a true "Green House". I plan on offering classes and information to people who can do it themselves and truly know how it is to live off of the preverbial grid. But it will take me time on that. As I said earlier, it costs alot more money now than it will in the future.

As for trasportation, we have (well while supplies last) hybrid cars and (shudder) SUV's out in the market. Yes they still require gas, but it's a great stepping stone to ween people off of total reliance on petrol. solar powered cars are in the works, but just as they are.. in the works. Hydrogen cars sound like a great idea right now as well. But the negative image hydrogen puts in the minds of most people doesn't set too well with them (they think of an H-Bomb). Heck there is even synthetic gas that was mass produced in the 70's that never really caught on. Why? Government that's why. It's cheaper to buy, cheaper to make and safer for the environment.

I have always said "history will repeat itself if we do not learn from our actions and try to correct them". Brothers and sisters, it's the 1970's all over again. What we need to do is look back at the alternative ideas and advancements that have come over the years and strive to enbrace it and show them that we need it.

I also wanted to say that some guys (i'll look for the article) took a Honda Prius and put their experimental generator in it. It got 99.9 miles to the gallon. No fooling. After some more tests they want to sell the idea to the automotive industry. I say open your own plant and build the cars yourself.

www.hypercar.com (www.hypercar.com)

[starfire]

Last night it was 2.69 today 2.89 I am not looking forward to this weekend. I will be driving north to Oregon. Its alread 3.00+ there.

[Shanti]

As I stated in another thread similar to this:

Releasing oil from our reserves will show little to no effect on prices. "W" has his hands stained in oil and his money is covered in it. He'll make up an excuse as always as to why he cannot do anything about it and we will keep feeding the petroleum monster. That is, untill we realize that alternative energy is the way to go. Yes prices are high right now, but that is because there is little demand for it. But if lets say for the sake of argument, 40-50% of Americans want to use alternative energy then production and supplies for alternative energy will go and prices will come down.
I cant afford anything let alone a new car. So meanwhile, I wait and today go broke.


What I mean by alternative energy pertains to two things: business/residential and transportation. For years I have been looking into converting my home to solor and wind power only. With a backup generator for bad storms or such. I would like to be the first house in the area to proove that you can harness the power of the sun (with no affiliation to Sunny Delight orange juice) and wind currents. I plan on making my house (which is actually painted this way when I bought it) a true "Green House". I plan on offering classes and information to people who can do it themselves and truly know how it is to live off of the preverbial grid. But it will take me time on that. As I said earlier, it costs alot more money now than it will in the future. Thats all great but today I pay.


As for trasportation, we have (well while supplies last) hybrid cars and (shudder) SUV's out in the market. Yes they still require gas, but it's a great stepping stone to ween people off of total reliance on petrol. solar powered cars are in the works, but just as they are.. in the works. Hydrogen cars sound like a great idea right now as well. But the negative image hydrogen puts in the minds of most people doesn't set too well with them (they think of an H-Bomb). Heck there is even synthetic gas that was mass produced in the 70's that never really caught on. Why? Government that's why. It's cheaper to buy, cheaper to make and safer for the environment. Again thats great but doent help me now.


I have always said "history will repeat itself if we do not learn from our actions and try to correct them". Brothers and sisters, it's the 1970's all over again. What we need to do is look back at the alternative ideas and advancements that have come over the years and strive to enbrace it and show them that we need it. I was broke then and lived through it. Today I am broke and living through it.


I also wanted to say that some guys (i'll look for the article) took a Honda Prius and put their experimental generator in it. It got 99.9 miles to the gallon. No fooling. After some more tests they want to sell the idea to the automotive industry. I say open your own plant and build the cars yourself. Thats great too. I saw that. I still have to buy gas and pay today.

My point...none of this solves the hardship happening today. The poor are getting poorer and nothings changing that. Pay checks are getting eaten by high gas and energy cost while salaries stay the same..nothings changing that now.

This is choking people today.

Our local stations never made you pay before you pump but because people just cant afford the gas...well stations have to now, as of today, make their cutomers pay before they pump.

We cant afford this today.

[Isil Darkmoon]

This (http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2005/08/31/afx2199722.html), I hope, will help a little.

" According to the agency, King Abdullah assured President George W. Bush in a telephone conversation of the 'support of the kingdom to its friend the United States during its misfortune.'

He said that Saudi, the world's top oil exporter, is prepared to 'do everything that it can to help towards lessening the consequences of the hurricane.'

Amid soaring oil prices, Saudi Arabia had earlier this week said it was prepared to increase its oil production to make up for supply losses caused by Hurricane Katrina. "

[Isil Darkmoon]

Good News! (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=aHLBcustHTHY&refer=home)

" Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Gasoline futures fell for the first day in five as some fuel pipelines shut by Hurricane Katrina were reopened and refiners prepared to restart plants along the Gulf coast."

[LacyRoze]

Yesterday here in N.E. Arkansas, before running out of gas, it was $2.79- after a load was delivered it was $3.19..

[pawnman]

I cant afford anything let alone a new car. So meanwhile, I wait and today go broke.
Thats all great but today I pay.
Again thats great but doent help me now.
I was broke then and lived through it. Today I am broke and living through it.

Thats great too. I saw that. I still have to buy gas and pay today.

My point...none of this solves the hardship happening today. The poor are getting poorer and nothings changing that. Pay checks are getting eaten by high gas and energy cost while salaries stay the same..nothings changing that now.

This is choking people today.

Our local stations never made you pay before you pump but because people just cant afford the gas...well stations have to now, as of today, make their cutomers pay before they pump.

We cant afford this today.

Of course, the other option is price controls...then you can wait for 3 hours at the gas station only to find out they don't have anymore gas.

[Painted_Crow]

I cant afford anything let alone a new car. So meanwhile, I wait and today go broke.
Thats all great but today I pay.
Again thats great but doent help me now.
I was broke then and lived through it. Today I am broke and living through it.

Thats great too. I saw that. I still have to buy gas and pay today.

My point...none of this solves the hardship happening today. The poor are getting poorer and nothings changing that. Pay checks are getting eaten by high gas and energy cost while salaries stay the same..nothings changing that now.

This is choking people today.

Our local stations never made you pay before you pump but because people just cant afford the gas...well stations have to now, as of today, make their cutomers pay before they pump.

We cant afford this today.

hey I'm in the same boat as you sister. I have 2 vehicles, both paid for and I have no intentions on getting a new vehicle anytime soon. All the stuff I mentioned was to give inspiration and hope to everyone that there is alternatives out there and that people are working hard to get them at reasonable prices.
As I stated, I buy gas. I'm not happy with the prices I have to pay, but I have to get from point A to point B just like everyone else. In no way am I trying to argue with you, I'm just making my statement. Yes all of what I said sums up to "one day". BUT if you are in the posistion to do something then what I stated was to help guide someone in that direction.
Maybe I'm just an old hippie at heart and wouldn't mind if the clock was turned back to a simpler time, but personally I am interested in these alternatives and I will strive to utilize them.
I understand that the poor are getting poorer, I'm in that catagory. It's funny though (not ha-ha funny, but you understand) that money is really worthless. It's a piece of woven parchment. Someone placed a value on it. And the reason things goes up in price is due to the resources and avaibility. But the other reason is greed. Ok, let me use my best friend as an example: He works in a ware house that sells and distributes, nuts, bolts, and fasteners. He gave me two bolts. Identicle. He asked me which one did I think was worth more. After looking at them a while I guessed and guessed wrong. Both bolts were the same. The bolt in my left hand was $3.00, and could be purchased by anyone. The bolt in my right hand cost $150, and could ojnly be purchased by a govt. agency such as NASA or someone. Same bolt, but because someone had the money to pay for it (in this case the US govt. the gouged the price).
The more prices keep going up, the more our paychecks should go up to reflect that. True, but if gas prices didn't go up, then we wouldn't have to worry about an increase in our income to reflect that. But it's greed that makes prices go up also. One person think's "ok i'll up the price a bit", then the next person and next and then we as the consumer sees the repercussions and have to suffer for it. Look at sodas. Easy to make (but not good for you). They used to cost 5 cents, then 10 cents. Now can cost up to or over a dollar. Why? Because they had to increase the price because the people they get the ingredients or packaging from went up on their prices. It's a vocious cycle. They win we loose, because our paychecks stay the same. Yes I understand exactly.
As for the gasoline increase, I guess we can be thankfull it's nothing like $10 a gallon overnight. But as I said earlier, if you can aford it now, or save for something in the alternative catagory, it will be better in the long run.

[pawnman]

hey I'm in the same boat as you sister. I have 2 vehicles, both paid for and I have no intentions on getting a new vehicle anytime soon. All the stuff I mentioned was to give inspiration and hope to everyone that there is alternatives out there and that people are working hard to get them at reasonable prices.
As I stated, I buy gas. I'm not happy with the prices I have to pay, but I have to get from point A to point B just like everyone else. In no way am I trying to argue with you, I'm just making my statement. Yes all of what I said sums up to "one day". BUT if you are in the posistion to do something then what I stated was to help guide someone in that direction.
Maybe I'm just an old hippie at heart and wouldn't mind if the clock was turned back to a simpler time, but personally I am interested in these alternatives and I will strive to utilize them.
I understand that the poor are getting poorer, I'm in that catagory. It's funny though (not ha-ha funny, but you understand) that money is really worthless. It's a piece of woven parchment. Someone placed a value on it. And the reason things goes up in price is due to the resources and avaibility. But the other reason is greed. Ok, let me use my best friend as an example: He works in a ware house that sells and distributes, nuts, bolts, and fasteners. He gave me two bolts. Identicle. He asked me which one did I think was worth more. After looking at them a while I guessed and guessed wrong. Both bolts were the same. The bolt in my left hand was $3.00, and could be purchased by anyone. The bolt in my right hand cost $150, and could ojnly be purchased by a govt. agency such as NASA or someone. Same bolt, but because someone had the money to pay for it (in this case the US govt. the gouged the price).
The more prices keep going up, the more our paychecks should go up to reflect that. True, but if gas prices didn't go up, then we wouldn't have to worry about an increase in our income to reflect that. But it's greed that makes prices go up also. One person think's "ok i'll up the price a bit", then the next person and next and then we as the consumer sees the repercussions and have to suffer for it. Look at sodas. Easy to make (but not good for you). They used to cost 5 cents, then 10 cents. Now can cost up to or over a dollar. Why? Because they had to increase the price because the people they get the ingredients or packaging from went up on their prices. It's a vocious cycle. They win we loose, because our paychecks stay the same. Yes I understand exactly.
As for the gasoline increase, I guess we can be thankfull it's nothing like $10 a gallon overnight. But as I said earlier, if you can aford it now, or save for something in the alternative catagory, it will be better in the long run.

It's called "capitalism", and it's why most people in this country have jobs that allow them two own two cars.

[Shanti]

It's called "capitalism", and it's why most people in this country have jobs that allow them two own two cars.

No bad intention here pawnman, but under the circumstance in my area, rural,I had to laugh.
These days, people around here have two cars because they have too.
One for the wife to drive 40 miles to her only low paying job she could find and the other for hubby to drive in the oposite direction for the same reason.

As I said, thats life in my area. Jobs are few and pay is low and people do what they can. But for living here, your statement was comical from this perspective.

[pawnman]

No bad intention here pawnman, but under the circumstance in my area, rural,I had to laugh.
These days, people around here have two cars because they have too.
One for the wife to drive 40 miles to her only low paying job she could find and the other for hubby to drive in the oposite direction for the same reason.

As I said, thats life in my area. Jobs are few and pay is low and people do what they can. But for living here, your statement was comical from this perspective.

That's the thing about capitalism...it isn't always kind to everyone, but it is the fairest and most efficient economic system we know of.

[Painted_Crow]

It's called "capitalism", and it's why most people in this country have jobs that allow them two own two cars.

FYI I have a job that I work hard at to be able to afford the keep them. I have both of them paid off, they have been paid off for years.

You call it capitalism, it's still plain old greed in the long run.

I'm bowing out of this conversation. I've said all I care to say. I wish all you guys and gals the best at luck on getting good gas for your cars. Just look in to what I mentioned.
See ya'll around the board.

[pawnman]

FYI I have a job that I work hard at to be able to afford the keep them. I have both of them paid off, they have been paid off for years.

You call it capitalism, it's still plain old greed in the long run.

I'm bowing out of this conversation. I've said all I care to say. I wish all you guys and gals the best at luck on getting good gas for your cars. Just look in to what I mentioned.
See ya'll around the board.

I know you're bowing out, but...

That's the beauty of capitalism. Millions of people, each individually doing what is best for him or herself, creates an economy that's good for everyone. Adam Smith called it "the invisible hand".

[Shanti]

That's the thing about capitalism...it isn't always kind to everyone, but it is the fairest and most efficient economic system we know of.
I cant argue with that.
We dont know anything better. I dont think theres one country that can please all the people all of the time.

Heck I looked at other countries sytems, and theres always something about the politics, financial handlings or something thats no better. Perfect for all...doesnt exist but a lot worse exist!!

[redring]

..... yes , that dose not mean we cannot change some bits and pices and make them better so they work more for the little guy (THE PEOPLE). What was it agen by the people for the people? Dose anyone really think this statment aplies anymore? I think its not all the GOV falt , its ours too. Sure they have become mostly money hungry animals not at all intreasted in the publick good, but who allowed it? I can tell you myself I have no idea whear to go to vote on any issue other than the pressident. I have never been asked what do you think about abortion, tax raises, more road tolls, distrubation of alturnative resources??? Why is this not more public knoledge??? We have reprasentives from each state that are suposed to stand and vote for what we as a state and majority want, but who did they ask??? My two Big votes, Price caps on all staples (gass, electric, water, property tax) things we need to survive. they should only be able to charge a percentive over what there cost is (with proof). Fair? that way they can still make a good profit without drawing blood and if there costs rise I do not expect them to pay my bills for me. Aslo away with carear politichens. they will not do what is best for the people as a whole as long as they know they cannot just be voted out next time. And everyone just says " nothing I can do to change things..." or " oh thats just how things are" . Its not true, its this thoughts that line these peoples pockets every year as us little worker bees have our jobs sent overseas. Our country is headed tword poverty. We are an industery country and we are loseing our industery. Check the stock market, or just youre neabor who was recently layed off because there factory is shuting down and leaveing the country. Let me tell you I traveled last year to make a measly earning and I saw much of the US and the story was frighteningly the same all over. I heard this storry from far too meany people on my way to think that a depression is not posable and I dont mind telling you ... i for one am frightend. Call me paranoid I dont mind.

[Lilith Morgaine]

weird... the prices here lowered for one day then went back up....

[pawnman]

..... yes , that dose not mean we cannot change some bits and pices and make them better so they work more for the little guy (THE PEOPLE). What was it agen by the people for the people? Dose anyone really think this statment aplies anymore? I think its not all the GOV falt , its ours too. Sure they have become mostly money hungry animals not at all intreasted in the publick good, but who allowed it? I can tell you myself I have no idea whear to go to vote on any issue other than the pressident. I have never been asked what do you think about abortion, tax raises, more road tolls, distrubation of alturnative resources??? Why is this not more public knoledge??? We have reprasentives from each state that are suposed to stand and vote for what we as a state and majority want, but who did they ask??? My two Big votes, Price caps on all staples (gass, electric, water, property tax) things we need to survive. they should only be able to charge a percentive over what there cost is (with proof). Fair? that way they can still make a good profit without drawing blood and if there costs rise I do not expect them to pay my bills for me. Aslo away with carear politichens. they will not do what is best for the people as a whole as long as they know they cannot just be voted out next time. And everyone just says " nothing I can do to change things..." or " oh thats just how things are" . Its not true, its this thoughts that line these peoples pockets every year as us little worker bees have our jobs sent overseas. Our country is headed tword poverty. We are an industery country and we are loseing our industery. Check the stock market, or just youre neabor who was recently layed off because there factory is shuting down and leaveing the country. Let me tell you I traveled last year to make a measly earning and I saw much of the US and the story was frighteningly the same all over. I heard this storry from far too meany people on my way to think that a depression is not posable and I dont mind telling you ... i for one am frightend. Call me paranoid I dont mind.

Of course, the 'by the people, for the people" applies to government, not the markets.

I have seen the stock markets, and they're doing quite well. Unemployment is fairly low. The economy is growing nicely. I think the problem is that all through the 90's we got used to the idea of an unemployment rate hovering at 4% and a DOW of over 10,000, even though both of these events were unprecedented in history. We just got used to the idea that that was the way it was supposed to be. Then the technology bubble burst and took a good deal of stock market value with it, and we're back to a normal economy.

Also, I'd like to point out that globalization helps both sides, not just the country getting the job. By exporting jobs to other countries, you lower the labor costs and thus the overall costs of a particular item, allowing consumers to buy more at the same price. It's specialization of labor, and it is the foundation of any good industrialized economy.

I'm not sure what you're getting at in your post. It kind of wandered all over corporations and government. My own opinion is that the more we can keep the government out of the economic system, the better off we'll be. And I don't see a depression coming any time soon.

[WokeUpDead]

My own opinion is that the more we can keep the government out of the economic system, the better off we'll be.

Like when they back off the power companies a bit and everything goes crazy and you've got a whole state that doesn't have nearly enough electricity? Good times.

[Shanti]

Wait for the energy bills this winter. We all are suppose to see hikes in electric, natural gas, oil, propane, etc.
We already have been hiked in our electric and propane! Its suppose to go higher yet!
Oh and dont forget the trickle effect...prices for food and other needs is expected to rise! Truckers raised their fees and so companies are passing the cost to the products!

And crops didnt poorly in many regions. This year is a bad crop year. They expect anything related to grain to rise in price.

[WokeUpDead]

We already have been hiked in our electric and propane! Its suppose to go higher yet!
Oh and dont forget the trickle effect...prices for food and other needs is expected to rise! Truckers raised their fees and so companies are passing the cost to the products!


Most of the purchasers at work have had to pay up to 25% more for parts in the last year so it's definitely everywhere. That means they have to sell the parts for more, so the planes the parts are for will have to charge more for airfare, and then there is the fuel for the planes. It will cost the military more for the parts they buy too, which means more taxes that everybody loves so much. Who needs alternatives anyways?

[pawnman]

Like when they back off the power companies a bit and everything goes crazy and you've got a whole state that doesn't have nearly enough electricity? Good times.

Well, it doesn't work if you only deregulate half the system, but continue strict measures against building new powerplants.