Our government is Murdering the people of New Orleans/ N.O. resident

[Exloration_La]

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N.O. resident: Our government is killing the people of New Orleans

From http://getyouracton.com (http://getyouracton.com) . | September 4 2005

National Guard not allowing aid into the city

am copying the information from the site about this. Just posted at 9:00PM

Get Your Act On! (Jeffrey and Andrea) are currently in Waco, TX. We are organizing a relief effort to bring much needed supplies directly into the City of New Orleans as almost NOTHING is getting in via 'official' channels (we have spoken to people still in the city).

Our house is still standing and should be relatively free of flood waters by now, so it will be used as a base for relief efforts as we are just 6 blocks from the lower 9th ward, one of the hardest hit neighborhoods. We will be purchasing a van or getting a large UHaul, filling it with supplies and driving it back to New Orleans.

If you can donate to our relief effort, please do so via this paypal link. If you do not wish to donate money directly, if you would like to purchase supplies that we can pick up (ie, from Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart), that would be great. A lot more info about our effort will be posted here by tonight as we get more details together. We can be reached via call at 254.640.8441 (Andrea) or 254.640.8442 (Jeffrey)

7:15PM Thurs Sept. 1 Update: It looks like the most economical thing to do is purchase a large van - we should be able to do this for $1000-$2000. If anyone has connections to people in the position to make a good sized donation, please ask them if they can help with this. Thanks!


9:30PM Thurs Sept 1. Update: Please help spread this message:

There are supplies sitting in Baton Rouge for the folks in New Orleans, but the National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out. They are turning away people with s[QUOTE]upplies, claiming it is too dangerous. If we have planes that can drop bombs on people in Iraq, certianly we can air drop supplies into the city. Our goverment is KILLING the people of New Orleans. This is the message I am now sending to all major media sources, national and worldwide, as well as posting to email lists, blogs, etc. The story is getting out that the people there are not getting supplies, but the truth of WHY is not. Please help spread the word, we must get this story out. Please so not let any more of my friends die.

I can be reached at 254.640.8441 - feel free to call me or give my number to any media that needs a contact person to talk to.

Here is my message:

I am a resident of the Bywater in New Orleans (9th Ward). I am one of the lucky ones that was able to evacuate before the storm.

I have recently managed to speak to some friends stranded in New Orleans. They are starving and dehydrating and there is no news of when they will be receiving food and water. I have spoken to relief efforts and understand that there are plenty of supplies waiting for these people, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO THE CITY.

The National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out, except the buses being evacuated. The excuse that they can not bring supplies into New Orleans because of the looting and gun fire is not a valid excuse - if they are too afraid to enter the streets of New Orleans, they need to be air dropping supplies into the city. If the United States is capable of sending planes that can withstand enemy fire to drop bombs in Iraq, certainly they are capable of air dropping supplies into a city where the worst of the gunfire they could encouter would be from semi-automatics.

Our government is killing the people of New Orleans. By witholding supplies, they are ensuring more deaths, and I hold them complicit.

Please bring this matter to the attention of the people of the United States. They need to know that New Orleans is deliberatly being denied food and water. Perhaps if the people there had food and water, they might not be shooting off guns.

Please feel free to call me for further information or with any questions. I appreciate your attention to this most serious matter.

I fear for my friends.

Sincerely,

Andrea Garland
Get Your Act On! (getyouracton.com)

On another note, Jeffrey and I are in the process of getting a large vehicle and loading it up with donated supplies needed for longer term cleanup efforts (generators, chain saws, solar cooking equipment, etc.). Some basic info and a paypal link is at Get Your Act On!(getyouracton.com) and more detailed info will be posted later. Please help spread the word about this, as well. We live 6 blocks from one of the hardest hit areas in New Orleans, so we intend to bring these necessary tools to our neighbors.

Also heard that part of the reason our house flooded is they dynamited part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being flooded. Apparently they used too much dynamite, thus flooding part of the Bywater. So now I know who is responsible for flooding my house - not Katrina, but our government.

[magick186]

:awwman:
thats sad

[Isil Darkmoon]

:awwman:
thats sad

Be a hell of a lot sadder if it was actually all true. But, in the style of reactionary movements, they're operating on incomplete, untrue, or specifically filtered information because they have an agenda.

No, civillians are for the most part NOT being let in because the city *is* still dangerous between gangs, still-flooded areas full of debris, and the massive potential for disease due to chemical contamination and bodies. They're pretty much keeping civillians out, except for medical personelle, and the occasional one who's trained in rescue operations.

However, plenty is still being done. Food and water ARE being air-dropped, as well as distributed by ground-based military and police. Thousands of people are still being rescued and taken to safety.

From a recent article (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/coastguard.rescue/index.html) on CNN:

"As of Sunday morning, the Coast Guard reported it rescued more than 17,000 people via helicopter, boat, cutter and ferry -- almost twice the number of lives it has saved in the past 50 years."

Meanwhile, Army helicopters dropped boxes of food and water to survivors waiting for rescue."

"The Coast Guard says it has delivered thousands of bottles of water to victims in the New Orleans area.."

"Missions are being staged from Belle Chasse, Bucktown and the New Orleans Sains Training Facility, and from five cutters along the Mississippi River."

17,000 people is a *larger* number than are currently housed at the Astrodome, and tha'ts being hailed as a huge effort. So why is 17,000 people SAVED suddenly "the US murdering its citizens."?

Looks like to me that's a MUCH more coordinated, effective effort meeting with infinitely more success than a handful of vigilante activists with a single van, planning to operate out of a house they probably WON'T be allowed to get into since they are untrained civillians, will ever be able to meet.

Now, no news source is perfectt, by any means, but I'd rather rely on CNN as a starting point, than on what's essentially an overglorified blog with a giant paypal button on it.

[magick186]

:floating:
i feel better now

[Exloration_La]

Be a hell of a lot sadder if it was actually all true. But, in the style of reactionary movements, they're operating on incomplete, untrue, or specifically filtered information because they have an agenda.

No, civillians are for the most part NOT being let in because the city *is* still dangerous between gangs, still-flooded areas full of debris, and the massive potential for disease due to chemical contamination and bodies. They're pretty much keeping civillians out, except for medical personelle, and the occasional one who's trained in rescue operations.

However, plenty is still being done. Food and water ARE being air-dropped, as well as distributed by ground-based military and police. Thousands of people are still being rescued and taken to safety.

From a recent article (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/coastguard.rescue/index.html) on CNN:

"As of Sunday morning, the Coast Guard reported it rescued more than 17,000 people via helicopter, boat, cutter and ferry -- almost twice the number of lives it has saved in the past 50 years."

Meanwhile, Army helicopters dropped boxes of food and water to survivors waiting for rescue."

"The Coast Guard says it has delivered thousands of bottles of water to victims in the New Orleans area.."

"Missions are being staged from Belle Chasse, Bucktown and the New Orleans Sains Training Facility, and from five cutters along the Mississippi River."

17,000 people is a *larger* number than are currently housed at the Astrodome, and tha'ts being hailed as a huge effort. So why is 17,000 people SAVED suddenly "the US murdering its citizens."?

Looks like to me that's a MUCH more coordinated, effective effort meeting with infinitely more success than a handful of vigilante activists with a single van, planning to operate out of a house they probably WON'T be allowed to get into since they are untrained civillians, will ever be able to meet.

Now, no news source is perfectt, by any means, but I'd rather rely on CNN as a starting point, than on what's essentially an overglorified blog with a giant paypal button on it.

Interesting see how a MSNBC reporter mocked the notion it was too dangerous down there as he pointed to the fact he was in the middle of it as a news reporter and sarcastically said how supposedly military personal say it’s too dangerous to go in and give these “vicious” starving people food.

Sounds from the CNN report you posted as if people are being rescued and taken out of the city which hopefully is the case. However with the efforts to supposedly get them out of the city why are soo many reporters and stuff outrages that people where being forced back to the dome who where trying to escape the city? Even shoot at to show them they where serious about telling then to get back to the dome. There is another thread here with the video clip of the news reporter speaking on some of this stuff. Right below:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=106486 (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=106486)

I donated to the site as I see it as more hopeful then the red cross which has as history of scandal and is NOT there as ordered by people out to “protect” us just as taking away our constitutional rights and the patriot act is in the name of “protection” . I hope these people will refuse orders not to go in and whatever they try to do to stop the American people from going in and helping the public is reported for what it is that the government doesn’t really want assistance to these people as what is being fronted to us to keep the heat off now that people are beginning to pose more questions.

I only donated 5.00 as I have allot of needs for myself now unfortunately, but I figure it’s at least something and everyone doing even only a small number collectively can make a big difference.

[magick186]

Interesting see how a MSNBC reporter mocked the notion it was too dangerous down there as he pointed to the fact he was in the middle of it as a news reporter and sarcastically said how supposedly military personal say it’s too dangerous to go in and give these “vicious” starving people food.

Sounds from the CNN report you posted as if people are being rescued and taken out of the city which hopefully is the case. However with the efforts to supposedly get them out of the city why are soo many reporters and stuff outrages that people where being forced back to the dome who where trying to escape the city? Even shoot at to show them they where serious about telling then to get back to the dome. There is another thread here with the video clip of the news reporter speaking on some of this stuff. Right below:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=106486 (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=106486)

I donated to the site as I see it as more hopeful then the red cross which has as history of scandal and is NOT there as ordered by people out to “protect” us just as taking away our constitutional rights and the patriot act is in the name of “protection” . I hope these people will refuse orders not to go in and whatever they try to do to stop the American people from going in and helping the public is reported for what it is that the government doesn’t really want assistance to these people as what is being fronted to us to keep the heat off now that people are beginning to pose more questions.

I only donated 5.00 as I have allot of needs for myself now unfortunately, but I figure it’s at least something and everyone doing even only a small number collectively can make a big difference.
get 'em gorgeous!!!!! ;)
okay, im done now :D

[Willow Rosette]

Can any one verify or dispute what was said about dinamiting (sp) the levee to save the rich neighborhood? It sounds a bit far fetched to me but well.... after everything else. YOu just never know.

[Isil Darkmoon]

Interesting see how a MSNBC reporter mocked the notion it was too dangerous down there as he pointed to the fact he was in the middle of it as a news reporter and sarcastically said how supposedly military personal say it’s too dangerous to go in and give these “vicious” starving people food.

The dome area where the reporters were is one of the "safest" parts of town--that's why it was chosen as the local shelter before everyone knew how bad it would be. And even with all the bulmbling, that was the most technically *easy* evacuation in the city.

There's a big difference in handing out bottled water to people who are on dry ground and going in for search and rescue.

There are parts of the city where rooftops are still the only visible parts of houses. There are rough currents and undertows that can be almost invisible until it's too late. There are dangerous animals, such as crocodiles and poisonous water snakes in these areas.

Then add to this that some of the stranded may be extremely ill, nearly dying, and need immediate medical assistance. Some of them may have infectious disease from living in dirty water for a week.

Then of course there's the fact that most of these people are not easy to get to. It's usually not a matter of just canoeing up to a rooftop adn letting them jump in. Strength, stubbornness, and ingenuity have to be present in rescuers.

So basically, the only nonmilitary rescuers that are sufficiently skilled to do the job are ones that own their own boats or helicopters, are in better than average physical shape, have an extreme tolerence for hardship, AND fairly sophisticated medical training.

Most of teh volunteers coming down, the ones wanting to help, as much as they feel they can do good, simply aren't qualified to do the work that's needed.

Take me, for e xample--I'm a young, out of shape, female who has bad knees, only basic CPR training, can't boat anything more sophisticated than a canoe, and has no flying experience. Even if I could afford to go down to NOLA, there would be NOTHING I could do there in ways it's needed most.

Now, I could be quite useful helping staff a shelter over in Baton Rouge, and could give a hand with records and helping with 'safe lists', or cooking huge skillets of eggs. I could likewise drive supplies, volunteer at the Astrodome, help a local church sort clothing by size and type, etc, in the city of Houston.

The desire to help does not automatically create the ability to be useful in any situation--something a lot of the volunteers that flooded down to NOLA don't realize or don't want to accept. Most of these people are underqualified, and underqualified people in a situation like this are more of an additional hazard and resource drain than they are of any help.

[Isil Darkmoon]

Can any one verify or dispute what was said about dinamiting (sp) the levee to save the rich neighborhood? It sounds a bit far fetched to me but well.... after everything else. YOu just never know.

I've been keeping track of Katrina as a whole on many news sources, from mass media to independant papers to blogs/journals to actially listening to police scanners myself.

Nothing I've encountered at all over the past week has so much as mentioned this.

My vote goes with you to farfetched, and more likely than not either a figment of someone's imagination or just fuel for the conspiricy theory fire.

[Willow Rosette]

Thanks a bunch I havent been able to watch it as much cause I dont want my 3 year old to see some of the more scarry sights. So I had missed alot.

[Teresa]

Can any one verify or dispute what was said about dinamiting (sp) the levee to save the rich neighborhood? It sounds a bit far fetched to me but well.... after everything else. YOu just never know.
They have done it on 2 occasions prior to this so it is possible.

[jcldragon]

"But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment. The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast -- black and white, rich and poor, young and old -- deserve far better from their national government.

http://landrieu.senate.gov/~landrieu/releases/05/2005903E12.html (http://landrieu.senate.gov/~landrieu/releases/05/2005903E12.html)

[RowanMegaera]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

I will just say my husband is one of the Navy helicopter pilots who has been flying water, food and supplies into the city and refugees out of the city since last Tuesday.

I have received one two minute tear filled phone call and one heartwrenching email from him wishing he personally could save every single one of those people and remaining hopeful because he and the rest of the rescue workers were killing themselves all day every day to make it happen.

[BlueMoon13]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

I will just say my husband is one of the Navy helicopter pilots who has been flying water, food and supplies into the city and refugees out of the city since last Tuesday.

I have received one two minute tear filled phone call and one heartwrenching email from him wishing he personally could save every single one of those people and remaining hopeful because he and the rest of the rescue workers were killing themselves all day every day to make it happen.
Yes,folks. While we all have the right to express an opinion, we MUST remember that there are people ON THIS BOARD, that,like Rowan,have someone they love risking their lives to save others, not to mention there are probably others who have loved ones in the affected areas. For these people, this is not a time for conspiracy theories and rumours, this is life and death,here and now. So,please keep this in mind while we're out here, and have some consideration for those among us who are REALLY suffering. There'll be plenty of time to play the blame game later.

Just my 2 cents.