Vanic paths?

[David19]

Hi i'm hoping someone can help me. I've recently heard something about Vanatru(sp) and would like to learn more about it like what specifically do they do?, how is it different to Asatru and what type of magic do they do.

If you are a practicioner, could you help me out or let me know of any sites that deal with it.

Thanks

[Hangatyr 13]

"Vanatru"? I've met a cross-dresser or two who claim to be "Vanic". Here's my take on the matter: Asatru (or Heathenry, whatever you want to call it) includes the worship of both the Aesir and the Vanir. As some individual Asatruar (like me) pray mostly to Odin, Thor, and Tyr, some pray mostly to Freyr or Freya. I personally don't see the purpose of coming up with different names for what is essentially the same thing. It only divides us more.

As far as 'magic' goes, Seidh (witchdom) is generally attributed more to the Vanir. Is it a coincedence that wiccans worship a "Lord" and "Lady" when the names "Freyr" and "Freya" mean "Lord" and "Lady"?

Oh well. I can't think of too many sources on Vanatru, but you seem to be interested in some good subjects these days. You might find some good material if you go to a search engine and type in "Seidh" or "Seidhr".

[KellyP]

Being familiar with the Heathen ways I have encountered the term Vanatru in many places and thought finding decent information on their practices would be simple. However, after doing a bit of web searching I didn't find a great deal of useful information. Perhaps the best of what I did find was at http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~fealcen/vanicve.htm.

Now that you have asked, I am somewhat curious as to what the beliefs and practices of someone who follows Vanatru might be or how it is distinguished from the more inclusive Asatru. Maybe more of the MW Heathens will wander in here and provide info for us.

[aluokaloo]

http://www.vanatru.com/

http://www.tyrvald.com/pagan/norsewitch.html

http://www.geocities.com/ule_beornheard/xhearth.html

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~fealcen/vanicve.htm

http://sunnyway.com/runes/seidr.html



here are some links I hope you find what you are looking for.

[Driffinna]

I have heard the term, but have never actually met anyone who applies it to themself. I know quite a few Asatru who are dedicated the Vanic gods though. Asatru while techinically meaning "true the Aesir" many people just translate it to "true the Gods" being we worship both the Aesir, the Vanir.

[Malcolm]

Vantru?

Never heard of it. I suppose it would be a veneration of the Landveiter(sp?) or land spirits. They're hep cats. I like them. They get a little mischevious at times but its all in fun.

[Driffinna]

Vantru?

Never heard of it. I suppose it would be a veneration of the Landveiter(sp?) or land spirits. They're hep cats. I like them. They get a little mischevious at times but its all in fun.


I believe its suppose to be of the Vanir, as in the Vanic gods- Njord, Frey, Freya, etc

[Hærfest Leah]

I am growingly more interested in Vanatru also. Not to serve one set of gods over another or anything because I'd never split them apart but more because of the nature & more magical workings in Vanatru from what I've been told by other Vanatru online.

But like Hangatyr 13 said, I think I agree it would still be the same thing but just focusing more on a different part of it.

[David19]

Does anyone know if there are any online classes that teach Vanatru magic since i've heard it's the most magical part of Asatru and was wondering how to learn about it.

Thanks

[Hærfest Leah]

Does anyone know if there are any online classes that teach Vanatru magic since i've heard it's the most magical part of Asatru and was wondering how to learn about it.

Thanks

This class on Vanic Witchdom is has been in progress for a few weeks but still not past the 1st week of class. You have to send a message to the teacher for the key, click on the blue I for her emaill addy.

http://ragngautr-kindred.org/moo/

[Ælfred]

I understand Vanatru to be a subsect within Asatru. The same religion but with more focus on that particular family of gods. I've met a few people who call themselves Vanatru, usually those who have Freyr or Freyja as their fulltrui.

I recently created a yahoo group (check my sig.) for this subject, as I've had a growing interest in the Cult of the Vanir for some time.

The Vanatru.com (http://vanatru.com/) site looks promising though it isn't much at the moment.

[David19]

Thanks for the links :).

[Fire-scryer]

I understand Vanatru to be a subsect within Asatru. The same religion but with more focus on that particular family of gods. I've met a few people who call themselves Vanatru, usually those who have Freyr or Freyja as their fulltrui.

Yes, I agree. However, the comment about Vanic being the most magical I have to disagree with. In terms of Seidhr, yes. Freyja is the one that taught Odhinn Seidhr.

However, Galdr, runagaldrar, galdrastafir, these types of "magic" belong to Odhinn. So while saying that the Vanic tribe was magical holds truth, I do not believe they were the "most" magical per se. I believe that both tribes had their strong points, Vanir - Seidhr, Aesir - Runes.

[Ælfred]

Aye. Both the Æsir and Vanir had their own forms of magic, knowledge of which was traded between them after the war. I've only worked with the futhark, mostly studying the rune poems and the lore around them. At the moment I know next to nothing about Seidhr, Spá or other forms.

[Fire-scryer]

I am in a constant state of learning and studying the Runes and working on my Spá-craft.

I am looking to broaden my horizens into leech-craft as well. It seems interesting andis something I eventually want to learn.

[Hærfest Leah]

My experience since this thread started 2 years ago........I've never come across any actual Vanatru group, a serious one I mean. The Vanatru.com website has sat empty like that for over a year now if I remember correctly. Any interest I saw in Vanatru 2 years ago online when this thread started I've seen fade quickly. So in my opinion, Vanatru is pretty much nonexistent. I also know no real heathens acknowledging it as being different at all than regular Asatru/Odinism. I myself see no difference. Someone looking for a more magical and fluffy way to honor the norse gods needs to move on, if they are serious about the norse gods then Asatru/Odinism is the right place. Things that people try to throw into a "Vanic" path are in the regular one, it just has to be realized.

My 2 cents gathered since this thread started.

[Rasari]

Generally speaking...

None of the individuals I've met who identify as Vanatru are in anyway fluffy or looking for a 'more magical path'.

More often than not, the Asatru I've met focus largely on the Aesir over the Vanir. Vanatru is the mirror image of that, with the individuals focusing and honoring primarily the Vanir over the Aesir. And more often than not, they're faith and practice is more specifically kept within the confines of the home and family. Not community.

Simple as that.

And Asatru / Odinism is not the only right path for those who seriously worship the three tribes or any one of the three specifically.

[Malcolm]

Witchdom of the True (http://www.amazon.com/Witchdom-Study-Van-Troth-Practice-Seidr/dp/1885972121/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227038338&sr=8-1)

I've never read it.

[Hærfest Leah]

Witchdom of the True

Things that make me never want to read this book: from the review page:

"This is an invaluable resource to Wiccans ......Modern Wiccans will be delighted to have this lore clarified, & perhaps the information will help transform the Wiccan movement in the new millennium by returning it to its natural roots."

"Through this work, Edred shows how Gardnarian Wicca claims its roots from Germanic Vanic Paganism/Heathenry. This is being called "one of the most important books ever written about Wicca" and with good reason: There are no "fluffy bunny" or "new age" concepts to be found here like in the common Llewellyn books you find at your local bookstore. This is what Witchcraft truely is in its most pure form; the way of the Lord and Lady, Freyr and Freyja. This is a MUST for the True Heathen Witch, and in my opinion the only valid practice of "Norse Wicca" you are going to find out there. I do agree with the previous review in that I also wish it were longer, but it states "Volume One" on the inside cover page, so perhaps Edred is planning on releasing a second volume... only time will tell!"

[Malcolm]

Witchdom of the True

Things that make me never want to read this book: from the review page:

"This is an invaluable resource to Wiccans ......Modern Wiccans will be delighted to have this lore clarified, & perhaps the information will help transform the Wiccan movement in the new millennium by returning it to its natural roots."

"Through this work, Edred shows how Gardnarian Wicca claims its roots from Germanic Vanic Paganism/Heathenry. This is being called "one of the most important books ever written about Wicca" and with good reason: There are no "fluffy bunny" or "new age" concepts to be found here like in the common Llewellyn books you find at your local bookstore. This is what Witchcraft truely is in its most pure form; the way of the Lord and Lady, Freyr and Freyja. This is a MUST for the True Heathen Witch, and in my opinion the only valid practice of "Norse Wicca" you are going to find out there. I do agree with the previous review in that I also wish it were longer, but it states "Volume One" on the inside cover page, so perhaps Edred is planning on releasing a second volume... only time will tell!"

Thats a good point but...I don't know those people. I'd stil like to read it. if its crap, oh well. It would still be valuable information to have and maybe help understand wiccans a bit more. :)

Odin traveled far and wide and learned much. I think it would be of value even if it did nothing but re-enforce my beliefs. Besides...I'm terminally curious about everything.

[CloeOtter]

If any one is interested there is a book out now on the Vanatru path titled " Visions of Vanaheim" by Svartesol. I bught a ebook copy off Lulu, you can also get it in regular book form.:)

I have been enjoying it so far. I wanted some more insight in to the Vanic gods & goddesses. It has personal poetry, chants, and such inspired by the interactions with the Vanic gods through ritual, meditations and other UPG. First part has alot of anthropology to weed or get through, interesting stuff; but took awhile to get through for me anyways...after that i have been having a really good time read it.:thumbsup:

The lady who wrote this book is connected to this group Vanaheim Fellowship. They just updated their website recently.

http://www.vanatru.us/vanatru-and-waincraft.html

hope this is helpful to some.

P.S. they have a nice recommended reading list on their website, check it out!

[electricpeppers]

If any one is interested there is a book out now on the Vanatru path titled " Visions of Vanaheim" by Svartesol. I bught a ebook copy off Lulu, you can also get it in regular book form.:)

I've been umming and ahhing over buying the download of this book. Is it any good?