New 'Champ' lake monster video surfaces

[Trithemius]

ABC News obtained exclusive video of something just under the surface of the lake that some say may be Champ. The video was taken by two fishermen with their digital camera last summer. Before their supposed sighting, they were Champ skeptics. "It was as big around as my thigh," said fisherman Peter Bodette. "I'm 100 percent sure of what we saw. I'm not 100 percent sure of what it was." "It made my hair stand on end at the time," said fisherman Dick Affolter. "It just didn't fit anything — any creature I had seen." Affolter said they never saw the entire body. "What we saw always stayed at the surface and parts of it would come above the water, like the back of the nose or the head," he said.

Link to ABC video (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1648662)

[Pol]

I want to believe.

[Ravenwillow]

I want to BBQ.

[Little Billy]

I want to believe.


Heh. The same jackasses that killed Nessie will be along shortly to peel back the vinyl just a bit more.

LB,
Hates jerks that have to wreck EVERY mystery.

[Valnorran]

In this day of digital technology, nothing short of a body (or at least a substantial portion of one) will suffice in proving a cryptid's existence.

[Laisrean]

Heh. The same jackasses that killed Nessie will be along shortly to peel back the vinyl just a bit more.

LB,
Hates jerks that have to wreck EVERY mystery.

Relax. There are no shortage of mysteries in our universe. Some may be disproven, others proven, but we'll never uncover them all. :cheers:

[Laisrean]

In this day of digital technology, nothing short of a body (or at least a substantial portion of one) will suffice in proving a cryptid's existence.

Even a small portion of a body could reveal a new species through DNA testing, couldn't it? OTOH I recall some hair and fecal matter were tested on bigfoot once and they proved it belonged to an unknown primate, but apparently that even wasn't enough... well, it was enough for me to believe anyway.

[Valnorran]

Even a small portion of a body could reveal a new species through DNA testing, couldn't it? OTOH I recall some hair and fecal matter were tested on bigfoot once and they proved it belonged to an unknown primate, but apparently that even wasn't enough... well, it was enough for me to believe anyway.
I believe that was a British team testing supposed yeti hair. Seems like there was another instance in China. Both of them came back as strong evidence for those cryptids... and the silence is deafening.I think for the scientific community to buy into it would require, at the very least, either a severed extemity or a really massive tissue sample, preferably the whole carcass.

Personally I think it'd be a shame to kill such a rare and interesting animal just to satisfy our curiosity.

[Laisrean]

I believe that was a British team testing supposed yeti hair. Seems like there was another instance in China. Both of them came back as strong evidence for those cryptids... and the silence is deafening.I think for the scientific community to buy into it would require, at the very least, either a severed extemity or a really massive tissue sample, preferably the whole carcass.

Wasn't there supposedly a tissue sample of a giant octopus collected in the 1800s and preserved which proved the existance of giant octupi, yet that was ignored as well? I think it was from a carcass which washed up in Florida...


Personally I think it'd be a shame to kill such a rare and interesting animal just to satisfy our curiosity.

I like to read books on bigfoot and I've read some reports of people who've claimed to have actually had the creature in their sights but couldn't shoot as they said the face was almost human. So some people might look at it as murder, but it may be the only way to save the species. *shrug* I don't know.

Have you heard of the Minnesota Iceman? Most people have dismissed that as a hoax, yet some aren't so sure. It is true rubber dummies were used in the exhibits later but there was supposedly an original which was investigated by cryptozoologists which seemed very authentic, with a bullet hole and a broken arm. See, it supposedly came from Vietnam and was smuggled over here in a body bag during the war.

Well, I can go on and on about this. But what I was getting it was that may have been the proof needed but it disappeared. Proof is always disappearing... but look at the "hobbits" that were discovered on an island in Indonesia recently. If "Hobbits" can be proven to exist anything is possible.

[Valnorran]

Wasn't there supposedly a tissue sample of a giant octopus collected in the 1800s and preserved which proved the existance of giant octupi, yet that was ignored as well? I think it was from a carcass which washed up in Florida...
Yeah, I read about that. I think somebody finally concluded it was whale blubber. Considering guys from the Smithsonian looked it over when it washed ashore, you'd think they would be able to identify whale blubber. There's a very good book on sea monsters by Richard Ellis. He also did a good one on giant squid. Towards the end in the one on sea monsters he mentions this as well as reports from a fisherman in either Bermuda or the Bahamas that pointed towards giant octopus. Very interesting stuff. Although, in that same book, he does a thorough job of debunking Loch Ness, so if you're a fan of Nessie you might want to skip that chapter!

I like to read books on bigfoot and I've read some reports of people who've claimed to have actually had the creature in their sights but couldn't shoot as they said the face was almost human.
Yeah, I've read several reports like that. I've also read one from 1940s Manitoba where the guy saw a hairy animal through thick brush. Thinking it was a moose, he fired and killed it. When he walked up to it he saw it was a bigfoot. Fearing murder charges, he kept quiet about it until he was quite old. That's his story, anyway. Then there's the famous Ape Canyon story. I also read a story of some Soviet soldiers cornering one in some rocks in some mountainous are (the Caucases, maybe?). After hosing it down with automatic weapons they lobbed in a few grenades for good measure. Apparently they weren't too interested in scientific discovery.

So some people might look at it as murder, but it may be the only way to save the species. *shrug* I don't know.
Yep. The counterargument I've seen is if this animal exists, it's been doing a magnificent job of looking out for itself and hardly needs our help. I know I wouldn't be able to shoot one unless it was attacking, and under those circumstances I just might just take advantage of the situation and cut off a foot or something to turn over to science.

Have you heard of the Minnesota Iceman? Most people have dismissed that as a hoax, yet some aren't so sure. It is true rubber dummies were used in the exhibits later but there was supposedly an original which was investigated by cryptozoologists which seemed very authentic, with a bullet hole and a broken arm. See, it supposedly came from Vietnam and was smuggled over here in a body bag during the war.
Seems like I read somewhere one scientist, upon inspecting the thing in the block of ice, detected the smell of decay.

[Laisrean]

Yeah, I've read several reports like that. I've also read one from 1940s Manitoba where the guy saw a hairy animal through thick brush. Thinking it was a moose, he fired and killed it. When he walked up to it he saw it was a bigfoot. Fearing murder charges, he kept quiet about it until he was quite old. That's his story, anyway. Then there's the famous Ape Canyon story. I also read a story of some Soviet soldiers cornering one in some rocks in some mountainous are (the Caucases, maybe?). After hosing it down with automatic weapons they lobbed in a few grenades for good measure. Apparently they weren't too interested in scientific discovery.

I've read something where the Soviet army actually captured a live specimen and eventually let it go or killed it... I forget which. Knowing how things worked in the Soviet Union, I'd suspect the later.

There was a tribe of humans living above the arctic circle in the former Soviet Union which was discovered recently and they have no knowledge of the USSR or its collapse or anything. In light of that, it wouldn't be surprising that something like gigantopithecus or Neanderthals have survived there as well... the former Soviet Union is vast and sparsely populated.


Yep. The counterargument I've seen is if this animal exists, it's been doing a magnificent job of looking out for itself and hardly needs our help. I know I wouldn't be able to shoot one unless it was attacking, and under those circumstances I just might just take advantage of the situation and cut off a foot or something to turn over to science.

You'd want to cut off the head. I think that would be the most interesting part to scientists and anyone else. ;)


Seems like I read somewhere one scientist, upon inspecting the thing in the block of ice, detected the smell of decay.

Yep. I think the scientists were Ivan T. Sanderson and Bernard Heuvalmans (but I wouldn't swear to it). There was part of the arm or leg or something not completely encased in the ice and that was beginning to decay... and it is suggested that the smell may have been the reason why the original body was thrown out or buried or whatever happened to it.

The scientists who investigated the original are certain that the rubber dummies were not the same as what they had investigated. They didn't give off the foul smell and they just weren't as realistic.

[Little Billy]

Relax. There are no shortage of mysteries in our universe. Some may be disproven, others proven, but we'll never uncover them all. :cheers:


Blarg. They're going after the COOL ones. http://poee.co.uk/boards/images/smiles/tgrr.gif

[Valnorran]

I've read something where the Soviet army actually captured a live specimen and eventually let it go or killed it... I forget which. Knowing how things worked in the Soviet Union, I'd suspect the later.
I read of some railroad workers in 19th century Canada capturing a small one they called Jacko, but I don't recall his alleged fate.

You'd want to cut off the head. I think that would be the most interesting part to scientists and anyone else. ;)
I figured ideally I'd take a foot (to compare to the track casts), a hand (to compare with our hands), and the head, but the weight might be prohibitive. How much does a sasquatch head weigh? ANother possibility is with it being a primate, it's probably a social animal. If you off one, his friends might not be too far away... and they won't be happy.

Ah, the things that cross my mind in my spare time...