Pleiadians

[Agaliha]

I must be slow, because I just stumbled upon the Pleiadians.

Their home page: http://www.angelfire.com/il2/pleiadians/
and http://www.angelfire.com/il2/pleiadians/links.html
More links: http://www.portalsofspirit.com/pleiadians.htm

What do you think of them?

What about people that claim to have knowledge/connections/etc with other planets/solar systems/stars or with places like Atlantis and Avalon?

I believe in life in outside Earth and our solar system as well as alien life, but some of these groups make me wonder (in a :foh: sort of way). Most sound odd and cult-y like.
:spaceman:

[Karyan]

Uuuuummmm....

[Philosophia]

Okay then...
They sound like "light" workers to me.

[Karyan]

Okay then...

:lol:

[Garm]

With the Pleiadians, the Siriusians, the Orionians and the Ursa Majorians all wanting a slice of the pie I say hold out for the highest bidder

[Agaliha]

So I take it no one thinks much of them.
That they're more on the :awilly: side of things.
Fair enough, I think the same thing. I think they take things to the extreme, as in you can believe in aliens and not be...well like them.

But what about my other question:


What about people that claim to have knowledge/connections/etc with other planets/solar systems/stars or with places like Atlantis and Avalon?

[Protagonist]

Well, if someone wants to believe they're plugged into the Pleiades or Avalon or whereever, more power to them. If it gets them through the day, they should go for it. It's probably more (physically) healthy than how I get through the day. However, every time I encounter one of those folks, I'm never very impressed by their messages, tactics, or apparent delusion of efficacy. Most claim to be here to save the planet, etc, but their attempts to do so largely constitute talking about their own (utopian, of course) planet or time period, and a lot of fancy-sounding prayer. A lot of them ascribe to the whole "Earth is magickally ascending" thing, and helping this ascension seems to require, on their part, very little action.

[Agaliha]

Well, if someone wants to believe they're plugged into the Pleiades or Avalon or whereever, more power to them. If it gets them through the day, they should go for it.

Very true. If it works for them, I don't see the problem.



However, every time I encounter one of those folks, I'm never very impressed by their messages, tactics, or apparent delusion of efficacy. Most claim to be here to save the planet, etc, but their attempts to do so largely constitute talking about their own (utopian, of course) planet or time period, and a lot of fancy-sounding prayer. A lot of them ascribe to the whole "Earth is magickally ascending" thing, and helping this ascension seems to require, on their part, very little action

They all seem to have the same missions, like you mentioned. The same thing can be said with people that are visited by angels and are told to better the world before blah blah blah happens. Some even think aliens and angels are the same thing.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/MerytBast/animaufo.gif

Lol.

[Philosophia]

What about people that claim to have knowledge/connections/etc with other planets/solar systems/stars or with places like Atlantis and Avalon?

Like Protangonist stated, more power to them if thats what they want to believe in.
However, if it starts to intrude into my beliefs and they get offensive, then I'll not be a happy camper. I'm sceptical about it, but if they want to believe in it so be it. Just don't expect me to fully believe in it.

[Protagonist]

Aliens and angels the same thing? As someone who's never seen either, I'm hesitant to make claims about whether or not they really exist. However, speaking from a purely societal viewpoint, one could argue that angels/aliens/even fairies fill similar roles.


However, if it starts to intrude into my beliefs and they get offensive, then I'll not be a happy camper. I'm sceptical about it, but if they want to believe in it so be it. Just don't expect me to fully believe in it.
People are usually okay with other beliefs until those beliefs intrude on their own. It's a thin line somewhere, and I think it warrents another thread. I might post something later.

[Agaliha]

As for the angels/aliens thing. I've read sites that talked about the similarities-- Coming with light around them, talking of the need to do good in the world, giving warnings of things to come.
They say the aliens have mind control powers and can make you think they are angels-- something more appealing.
There's also claims that the angels in the Bible were really aliens.

It's been awhile since I've read about this... I just found these sites. I don't know how credible they are:
Angels And Aliens: Is There A Heavenly Relationship? (http://www.seancasteel.com/angels_and_aliens.htm)
Aliens and Angels (http://www.endicott-studio.com/rdrm/foralien.html)
Angels or Aliens? The Mysterious Biblical (http://www.llewellyn.com/archive/fate_articles.php3?id=57)

Like I said in my first post, I believe in aliens (even saw a UFO) but I don't go as far as these groups do...

[Psycmoe]

With the Pleiadians, the Siriusians, the Orionians and the Ursa Majorians all wanting a slice of the pie I say hold out for the highest bidder

:cheers:

[Trithemius]

I must be slow, because I just stumbled upon the Pleiadians.

Their home page: http://www.angelfire.com/il2/pleiadians/
and http://www.angelfire.com/il2/pleiadians/links.html
More links: http://www.portalsofspirit.com/pleiadians.htm

What do you think of them?

What about people that claim to have knowledge/connections/etc with other planets/solar systems/stars or with places like Atlantis and Avalon?

I believe in life in outside Earth and our solar system as well as alien life, but some of these groups make me wonder (in a :foh: sort of way). Most sound odd and cult-y like.
:spaceman:

Whenever I hear about groups like this, I can't help but think of the news clips from the UFO craze during the 1950's, where they'd show a bunch of people standing out in the desert somewhere waiting to greet the aliens when they arrived. These people would concoct stories of meeting aliens from Venus, Jupiter, the Moon, Saturn, Mars, all the planets now known to not have intelligent life. So when it comes to groups nowadays, I don't put much credence in their stories.



They say the aliens have mind control powers and can make you think they are angels-- something more appealing.
There's also claims that the angels in the Bible were really aliens.

I've also heard the alien theory used to explain the incubi/succubi stories of the Middle Ages.

[Garm]

If we want to indulge the idea of contact with these other worlds there is no reason to conclude their interest is benign. Perhaps it is by their reasoning, kind of like bringing free markets and democracy to the unelightened savages.

That the light barrier, the maximum speed for matter and energy, will someday be broken is a compulsary plot device for most of our current sci fi. It does mean physics as we now have it will have to be rewritten because as it stands such velocities are simply not possible. But lately the boffins have come up with a way to circumvent such boundaries. Information on some quantum level is not bound by the limitations of E=mc squared, it can be sent anywhere instantaneously and the scientists working on this research are talking about how this can be used to affect transformation of matter at a distance, although they describe the process as teleportation.

If you're aquainted with some of the occult and paranormal literature this has a familiar sounding quality that is down right chilling. For instance Crowley describes his main patron Awaiz as appearing human, but not living among the masses of human kind. Instead he conjures himself up from the elements as the need arises. John Keel describes a pattern common to UFO and many other kinds of supernatural phenemonom, the stuff is configured into exsistence from matter already hand on this planet and then dissolves again after a few hours into a sort of residue which is usually made up of silicon.

So if you're an extraterrestial civilization intent on colonizing other worlds and have something resembling the afore mentioned technology, why go to the trouble and time of sending your citizens on expensive trips that will take millenia to complete when you can simply change the creatures exsisting on other planets into your own species?

I wouldn't be indulging such an hypothesis if it wasn't for one account after another after another of what sounds like genetic tampering.

I'm still agnostic as to wether this is actually happening or if this confluence of discoveries and events is a symptom of some of humanities more deep seated neurosis, but I am not liking it one little bit.

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

To be honest, people like this sound like extraterrestrial versions of Otherkin to me, and I'm not all that wild on otherkin. The entire thing smacks of 'How can I make myself feel more important?". I also second what others are saying - why aren't these people doing anything if they're supposed to make things 'ascend', or something?

[MoonDragn]

I really don't know what I think of pledians. The only Pledian I've ever met was online on irc chat. She was the rudest person I've ever met, and the strangest.

They seem to believe they are decended from aliens, mixed with human dna. They believe in some extra pairs of chromosome that make them have superior powers. She was very technical and seem to know alot of stuff. But ultimately I don't know if she was simply delusional.

She seemed to think she was better than the average person and didn't believe anyone had any abilities that were not inhereted from aliens. So in conclusion, I don't know much about Pledians than what I've read and what she told me, but my impression of them wasn't too great.

[Agaliha]

They seem to believe they are decended from aliens, mixed with human dna. They believe in some extra pairs of chromosome that make them have superior powers. She was very technical and seem to know alot of stuff. But ultimately I don't know if she was simply delusional.

I just wonder how they prove it all.
I'm not meaning every belief/faith/religion much prove themselves to be valid, because they can't.
I just mean if they claim to be part alien and all of this, are there anamolies in their DNA? Why not get them tested in a lab? And I mean by independent labs that have no stake in the matter that can cloud the findings.
If it turned out that half their DNA was not of this world, they I may be more likely to look at them in a more credible light. You know?
From the page or two that I read, they get all this info by channeling it from the star cluster or something.

What makes them take it beyond most alien believers belief/practice?
Like I said, I believe in aliens and life in other galaxies and even that they came here now and in ancient times, but I don't believe I am alien or have special abilities or that they are talking to me.
Do what is it...? It can't all be need to seem special or better, can it?

Here's links to things about the Starseed people-- they think they are linked to aliens too:
The Starseed Quiz (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geurQCGnJETz4A62FXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZTBtaXAxBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNzQzX zE1Mw--/SIG=127a6kke2/EXP=1148414850/**http%3a//home.earthlink.net/%7epleiadesx/starquiz.htm)
Salon People | Captured and hypnotized by aliens! (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geurQCGnJETz4A8mFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3MDlvbDRiBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNzQzX zE1Mw--/SIG=1291tfgc5/EXP=1148414850/**http%3a//www.salon.com/people/feature/1999/11/03/aliens)
Welcome... Beings of Light - Are You a Starseed? (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geurQCGnJETz4A.WFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3NWs3OGlyBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNzQzX zE1Mw--/SIG=11s1f0aid/EXP=1148414850/**http%3a//www.fromthestars.com/page142.html)
What are Starseeds? (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geurQCGnJETz4AAGJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3Mzk5MTdlBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNARzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNzQzX zE1Mw--/SIG=11m93qi0d/EXP=1148414850/**http%3a//www.paoweb.com/starwhat.htm)
Starseed Symptoms (http://www.fromthestars.com/page143.html)



Briefly, a Starseed is a human man or woman who has previously lived in the Pleiades Constellation. Almost 80% of people born since the mid- 1960’s to current day (2003) have in previous incarnations been of Pleiadian descent, living on the sixth and higher dimensions. These sensitive, psychic people have incarnated in human form to raise the consciousness of the entire planet Earth, to create Unity and Unconditional Love, amongst all people. To live their own philosophies and truths and inspire others to find their angelic nature within themselves. (http://www.users.bigpond.com/theabbotts1/starseedlift.htm)


ETA:
According to that first link I "50 + ... You have some cousins out there and close to 60 + ... They are 1st cousins"
(the 50 and 60 are score points)
Damn, I'm not a starseed, lol.

[MoonDragn]

What if the DNA test proved them wrong? They would have to make up an excuse or claim that the test cannot detect these chromosomes cause they have built in defense mechanisms etc that prevents detection blah blah.

Either way, theres no way to change belief, nor do I want to. If they are happy believing in that stuff, who am I to tell them differently?

[Garm]

I just mean if they claim to be part alien and all of this, are there anamolies in their DNA? Why not get them tested in a lab?

If your going to be changing a species genetic coding you would have to do it by small increments, otherwise such changes won't be able to enter the gene pool as a whole.

You can't just interbreed two different species, it don't work. If anything nonhuman is breeding with human, than it must be something specifically designed for that purpose, and designed by who or what for whatever reasons is open to conjecture and fair game for my paranoia.

Human beings just don't act like they are part of this planet, they are more like a virus turned loose on the ecosystem.

One thing distinguishes human DNA from chimpanzee DNA, we have a lot more mutations which is why we are a lot more prone to things like cancer and the various birth disorders.

If any such project is underway, the ET's are in it for the long haul.

[Agaliha]

What if the DNA test proved them wrong? They would have to make up an excuse or claim that the test cannot detect these chromosomes cause they have built in defense mechanisms etc that prevents detection blah blah.

They probably would. Heh




Either way, theres no way to change belief, nor do I want to. If they are happy believing in that stuff, who am I to tell them differently?


That wasn't my point. I don't care what they believe or who they pray to or anything like that.

But if they come out into the public and claim these things, don't people have a right to question them?
For example, The Da Vinci Code. I watched this show on the History channel that took, for the first time, DNA from a Merovingian queen and compared it to the DNA for this group of people that were as close to Jesus as they could get. There was no middle eastern DNA markers in the queens DNA, only european. This means that the blood line of Jesus never crossed with the Merovingian's.
Yet Dan Brown claims it's all the true. People can test his claims, why not theirs? That was my point.
BTW, the show was: Digging for the Truth, episode The Da Vinci Code: Bloodlines."

[Starlight*Rains]

I knew nothing about these people! Thanks for sharing!

[Agaliha]

I knew nothing about these people! Thanks for sharing!
You're welcome! :spaceman:
There's more like them out there, I'm sure if you do a search on yahoo you'll find'em all.

[Agaliha]

Just found this:


The Cherokee trace their lineage to the Pleiades Star system. They believe that is where we came from. I have come to believe this.
http://www.angelfire.com/me/rillas/page6.html

Interesting. Then I'm half Pleiadian as I am 1/2 Cherokee from my dad. Heh. Riiight.
She also claims to be from the Panther Clan of Cherokees...and well there isn't one:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Clans#The_Seven_Cherokee_Clans

Anyway.

[Protagonist]

But if they come out into the public and claim these things, don't people have a right to question them?
For example, The Da Vinci Code. I watched this show on the History channel that took, for the first time, DNA from a Merovingian queen and compared it to the DNA for this group of people that were as close to Jesus as they could get. There was no middle eastern DNA markers in the queens DNA, only european. This means that the blood line of Jesus never crossed with the Merovingian's.
Yet Dan Brown claims it's all the true. People can test his claims, why not theirs? That was my point.
BTW, the show was: Digging for the Truth, episode The Da Vinci Code: Bloodlines."

Well, Dan Brown doesn't really claim it's all true. At most, he claims certain things in his novel are based on historical fact. (And they certainly are - the Templars existed, so did Mary Magdalene, etc...) Some people are, however, taking everything he says as, well, gospel. I don't even think it was a very good book to begin with, so it's hard for me to see why. I went and saw the movie the other day, and it reminded me of how patently ridiculous some of of his plot devices were. The idea that most Christians believed Jesus to be mortal up until Constantine - ridiculous. Did the Gnostics not exist? They were one of the most influential of the early sects, to boot. And then there's that little diatribe courtesy the Priory expert in the film about how, if only Langdon could prove Christianity a lie, it would put an end to all the "wars, racism and bloodshed."" I just kept thinking: yeah, sure. I'm certain the various sects of Islam and Judaism fighting for control of the holy land will simply cease when they learn that the God of some other religion was mortal.

[Agaliha]

Well, Dan Brown doesn't really claim it's all true. At most, he claims certain things in his novel are based on historical fact. (And they certainly are - the Templars existed, so did Mary Magdalene, etc...) Some people are, however, taking everything he says as, well, gospel.

True, he didn't say it was all real, but there was the page in the beginning of the book that stated it was based off real documents and all of that. Which leds many people to believe it is-. It reminds me of the people who watch Charmed and think that is Wicca, witchcraft and magic. Heh. And it's not.
I think some things are true about it, but then again there are many things that aren't like what I meantioned.
I was just using it as an example for testing the Pleiadians DNA. If you scrutinize other things, why not them and their Alien DNA-- it's testable and if it was true, would further their cause.

PS: Is there a thread about the Da Vinci Code that talks about the inaccuracies and all of that? If not someone should make one.

[ValD]

I was just using it as an example for testing the Pleiadians DNA. If you scrutinize other things, why not them and their Alien DNA-- it's testable and if it was true, would further their cause.
Ah well, you can't test Alien DNA with any Earth systems. Y'see, it's vibrates in a different dimensional energy-vortex to common ol' Terran DNA. So it wouldn't register on our testing machinery. And anyway, all those sceptical non-believing scientists give off this radiation that destroys it on sight!

[Gwynna Star]

Oh my, I'm a StarSeed! :spaceman:


70 + ... You will be, or have been, contacted ~ do not be afraid -- it was for a family reunion.


That was a fun quiz! :D

[Malcolm]

I read that page and got knocked down by stupid :collapse:

[Janus109]

I remember long ago reading in the Bible about the Pleiades. I did a quick check of Google and found a couple of references in Job 3:31 and Job 38:31 and Job 9:8. Apperently the old time bible folks knew about Orion too.

:santasmil

[ValD]

I remember long ago reading in the Bible about the Pleiades. I did a quick check of Google and found a couple of references in Job 3:31 and Job 38:31 and Job 9:8. Apperently the old time bible folks knew about Orion too.

:santasmilThey are the most visible of the stars and constellations, remember. And the old-timers lived in the deserts, with crystal-clear air and no streetlights, so their knowledge of the night skies would have been considerable.
BTW, there's no verse 31 in Job3. Leastways, not in my King James bible.

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

Erm, of course the ancients knew about the constellation Orion. To the Egyptians it was Osiris - the Pyramids are in the same arrangement as the stars in Orion's belt - and quite obviously the ancient Greeks knew it too, or we wouldn't be calling it 'Orion', we'd be calling it something else. To me it's the most easily-recognizable constellation up there.

[Sage Rainsong]

I am fine with whatever they believe but my ex friend got into one of these groups and ever since then she tried to get me to give up me working with lowly earth energies. Many of these people felt the same so they can't be too keen on pagans. A lot of Ascention practices just rub me the wrong way but hey, whatever floats your boat.

[MoonDragn]

Heres a sort of funny/sad story that may or may not be related. I heard a couple talking once at the local pagan book store about how they were going to this camp where they found a bunch of space dolphins who can communicate with you telepathically and has come up with a new way of fixing your digestion so you live longer.

They really seemed to believe in this stuff and paid a chunk of money to go out there. I never saw them again and I still wonder what happened to them.