Evangelical Christians worried about "ley lines" in Pacific Northwest

[Djiril]

What do you think of this?

http://www.cnnw.com/articles/articles01-05-1.html


According to Deen Gill, a member of Turning Point Christian Center in Vancouver, Wash., the topic of the region's spiritual vitality was raised by Christian author and international speaker Cindy Jacobs during a visit to Portland in early 2003. Gill said Jacobs spoke about the land in the Northwest being sickly. She also mentioned "ley lines" - a network of energy lines originating at spiritual power centers - that had been placed in a grid over the Seattle area by New Age proponents.

Gill did his own research and found that in 2000 a group called The Geo Group did indeed several years ago create the Seattle Ley Line Project as an art project. On its Web site (www.geo.org), The Geo Group describes itself as "a group of artists, architects, landscape architects and 'dowsers' dedicated to creating environmental art for the purposes of world peace."

[jcldragon]

The Ley Line Project got statues, fountains, & small parks placed all around the city & made it more beautiful. I think that Cindy Jacobs is attempting to convince the general public that her religion originates from one of the darker regions of the Twilight Zone. She might succeed...

[Trithemius]

But to others, such investigation is not only valid, but Biblically justified and needed if Northwest believers are going to take proper spiritual authority over their region.

Anyone who thinks they have, or should have, "spiritual authority" over anyone or anything other than themselves needs a serious reality check.

[Meadhbh]

You have to wonder how many hours a night these people lay in bed unable to sleep because of this. The sad thing is they can get people to go along with them if not believe whole heartly. "The church grows where the blind see, the sick are healed, and the dead are raised," Townsend said. Funny I thought those actions would be againist their beliefs raising the dead and all.

[Nitefalle]

Proselytizing and recruiting are my only problems with modern Christianity. Not even those simple acts, but the way some modern Christians do view it as a battle, where I HAVE TO be saved....why? If I express clear disinterest, just please leave me alone. If I decide that I want to burn eternally in tormenting hell fires, then that's my decision made of my own free will. Why does that bother you? (I'm making general statements here, of course, and this is not directed at any one person.) I don't care what religion/path it is, I refuse to be ruled by fear, whether it be fear of going to hell or fear of a wrathful god should I toe some esoteric line. Spirituality should be a joy - some people see it as a job, and that just makes me very sad for them.

I also am rankled by the statement "...take spiritual authority", implying that is somehow "Christian" land that was stolen from them or some such other nonsense. If we're going to go that route, I think the indigenous people of the Pacific Northwest might have something to say about that.

[aeroeng]

I didn't like the article.

First, calling dowsing an unnatural and evil act is just absurd. Even if you liken it to divination. I hardly see how divination is condemned by the Bible. I mean, the very root of the word "divine" means "of relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity" or could be interpreted as divine inspiration (note: I haven't read the passages referenced in the article). Maybe I'm just annoyed because I know dowsing works (helped my dad find the spot for our well when we were building our house) and is not evil in any way.


It's like going to war," Townsend said. "You can't go into battle untrained and uninformed
I suppose misinformation is information none the less.

It did make me curious though, to know if there are Ley lines around Philly.

[Pandy Fackler]

Anyone who thinks they have, or should have, "spiritual authority" over anyone or anything other than themselves needs a serious reality check.


I was about to say the exact same thing

[Kmartin60]

HI, I just read the post and the replies...Im a born-again christian...and DONT feel anyone should have authority over anything! I happen to live by a ley-line and am looking forward to getting to got to it and possibly use its power for healing!

You just got a bad apple out of the bushel with that one...not all of us are like that. And no, I have gone evangalizing but dont try to push it down anyone's throat...everybodies choices are their own.......

I do realize some of the old hard liners believe that such energies come from "Evil" things and ways...but they are just real closed minded. shaking head.....It's a shame...that's the one's that give christian's a bad name.......

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

You have to wonder how many hours a night these people lay in bed unable to sleep because of this. The sad thing is they can get people to go along with them if not believe whole heartly. "The church grows where the blind see, the sick are healed, and the dead are raised," Townsend said. Funny I thought those actions would be againist their beliefs raising the dead and all.
Um, Jesus actually instructed them to do that. it's in the Bible. He said it himself. Raise the dead, cast out devils, heal lepers, be thou therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves, all that.


I mean, the very root of the word "divine" means "of relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity" or could be interpreted as divine inspiration
The word 'divine' has two separate meanings. One is the foretell the future, the other, more commonly used, is a descriptor of something that is holy or sacred - the divine transfiguration; the Society for Divine Metaphysical Research, etc. I think you may be conflating the two.

[jcldragon]

HI, I just read the post and the replies...Im a born-again christian...and DONT feel anyone should have authority over anything! I happen to live by a ley-line and am looking forward to getting to got to it and possibly use its power for healing!

You just got a bad apple out of the bushel with that one...not all of us are like that. And no, I have gone evangalizing but dont try to push it down anyone's throat...everybodies choices are their own.......

I do realize some of the old hard liners believe that such energies come from "Evil" things and ways...but they are just real closed minded. shaking head.....It's a shame...that's the one's that give christian's a bad name.......

The difference is just a little bit bigger than that. You see, you actually are a Christian. You have listened to the Holy Spirit, and are at least somewhat aware of the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven. You know very well that Ley Lines are an energy network that is part of God's Creation, and you plan upon using the one near you for Healing... which is what everybody else who uses Ley Lines, uses them for...

Energy flows, where the mind goes. People who focus upon finding evil in simple natural things, cannot help but fill their souls with it. I'd say that was one real big huge difference.

[ViolinGoddess]

That's hysterical!

Violin Goddess

[jcldragon]

Omar, if I ever make one point on a message board & everybody gets it, I'd like it to be this : That what is meant by Christ, is not something that belongs only to people who call themselves Christians. The Logos already belongs to all sentient life. Love is the real deal. If Love lives in your Heart, then it matters not, if you be a Jew, a Christian, a Moslem, a Shaman, a Taoist, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Pagan, an Atheist, or whatever... because the one thing that will put everything else into perspective, is already within you. Find Love, and for all practical purposes, you will have already found everything.

(EDIT) I'll give you one more hint.

You do not find LOVE, LOVE finds you.

[Fire's Shadow]

It's a shame that they feel this way about it, really. I would be glad to have such a group working in my town. It would definately make the place look a lot nicer.

[Agaliha]

Weird.
I've lived in the Pacific NW and Seattle-Tacoma area all my life. I never noticed anything weird. I don't think the land is sick either.

WA is one of the least religion states in the US though. We have one of the lowest numbers of people with religion affiliation.
Those who identify with "no religion" are in the majority in some Northwestern states, including Idaho, Oregon, Washington and Wyoming. (http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm (http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm))

I don't think that has anything to do with ley lines.

The map they did is kind of cool though.

[Amythyst]

It sounds like a bunch of people being pretty silly and suspicious and fearful.

My opinion?... The "Ley Lines" that the artists created are just that, a work of art. Real "Ley lines" are natural fissures and faults in the earth's surface.

As far as the northeast being "sickly" because the gospel isn't being accepted?...I don't know, could that just mean that there are a lot of free spirits living in that part of the country, people who like to follow their own paths?

[jcldragon]

It sounds like a bunch of people being pretty silly and suspicious and fearful.

My opinion?... The "Ley Lines" that the artists created are just that, a work of art. Real "Ley lines" are natural fissures and faults in the earth's surface.

The artists involved in the Ley Line Project mapped out the Ley Lines that were already there, and used the convergence points to place statues, fountains, and small parks. They didn't create them, they used what was already there.

Cindy Jacobs is merely using a common practice among people who claim to be Christians, but who really aren't, and that is just to make stuff up as she goes along, and use those facts to prove her point. It's called bearing false witness against your neighbor.

[Amythyst]

The artists involved in the Ley Line Project mapped out the Ley Lines that were already there, and used the convergence points to place statues, fountains, and small parks. They didn't create them, they used what was already there.[/i].

Cool.

[RhiannynWildseed]

I hardly see how divination is condemned by the Bible. I mean, the very root of the word "divine" means "of relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity" or could be interpreted as divine inspiration.

Because when THEY do it, it is inspired by God.

When we do it, well, we're just in league with the Devil.

Don't you just love that whole Us vs. Them mentality? :noway:

[coaxialkettle]

Great Perfection is
Already There
One simply has to remove what is superfluous.
The Occult is to Be
Revealed.
The Revealed is to Be
Occult
Either Way
It Always Works...
(see also my rilko reference in Glastonbury thread)
Vast is Divine architecture...
Ars longa vita brevis!
B:.B:.

[ap Dafydd]

What do you think of this?



If they are so adverse to it, then maybe they could find somewhere else to live...

(vague thoughts of a Pied Piper leading all the Christians away...)

gwyn eich byd

Ffred

[aeroeng]

Because when THEY do it, it is inspired by God.

When we do it, well, we're just in league with the Devil.

Don't you just love that whole Us vs. Them mentality? :noway:

Good point. I do hate the whole US vs Them mentality that radiates out of any extremist view on any topic.:yikess: