The nature of Discordianism

[Wolfpoet]

Many Humanists would like us to believe we are somehow better than animals, that we have become a higher lifeform.

Sadly this is just wishful thinking.

We are animals and driven by the same basic functions and instincts as any other creature.

At heart we are very much pack animals and every pack must have an Alpha and thus we are pretty much defined along leader and led in all things. It's a natural instinct, in any given situation we either take over and lead or we follow.

This can be seen in all aspects of life, be it social or personal. Take sex for instance, there are positions where both partners can be equal but how often are they used? Mostly either the male or female take a dominating role. It's the same in same-sex relationships, one partner takes a dominating role, sometimes swapped but almost always one is in charge. S&M relationships are an extreme example of this instinct in action.

Look at team sports, some person or persons take the lead and the rest of the team follow. We are incapable on a biological level of escaping the leader/led instinct.

Now I can hear the lamentations and gnashing of teeth here, you wonder how can Discordianism exist if we are forced to have leader/led lives?

Simple realy, the idea of "thinking for oneself", standing apart from the herd is a unique and rare skill. basicly you are leading and following YOURSELF, internalising the instinct and creating a pack of one. Maybe this quality is the next step in evolution or perhaps it's an aberation, unknown at this point.

Now where am i going with this?

Discordianism is the internalising of an instinctive, biological function. A form of mental control of something most people just give into without even realising.

Some people have expressed and are trying to organise and spread Discordianism. This is a very dangerous prospect as you are in effect undoing the hard work already achieved by assuming a "leader" role. Actively converting somebody is leading them and in effect trying to turn them into a "follower", that it is justified by saying you are trying to wake them up is imaterial.

To summarise, Discordianism can not be taught, you can not tell a person to wake up or make them wake up. All you can do is provide a person with the tools and the knowledge. lead them to the rivr and let them drink in their own time.

[Doctor Jeep]

:cheers:

[LIAL]

Uhm, how is trying to coordinate discordianism making anyone a leader?

[Little Billy]

Uhm, how is trying to coordinate discordianism making anyone a leader?


More to the point, where does Wolfpoet get off speaking for all Discordians?

LB,
Doesn't recognize his authority. Sorry.

[Little Billy]

Some people have expressed and are trying to organise and spread Discordianism. This is a very dangerous prospect as you are in effect undoing the hard work already achieved by assuming a "leader" role. Actively converting somebody is leading them and in effect trying to turn them into a "follower", that it is justified by saying you are trying to wake them up is imaterial.


In other words, you want to keep it as an "in joke".

Great. Another bobbie who doesn't get it.

LB,
Wonders where the hell you get off speaking for all Discordians about hating leaders. :lol:

[Doctor Jeep]

Well, I liked the last paragraph, anyway...

[Little Billy]

Well, I liked the last paragraph, anyway...


Too bad it contradicts the rest of the rant (which says "keep the joke to ourselves!").

[Doctor Jeep]

Too bad it contradicts the rest of the rant (which says "keep the joke to ourselves!").

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

[Little Billy]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Personally, I LIKE to evangelize.

Of course, I also fill my victims' heads full of total bullshit, on purpose. :lol:

LB,
Knows they'll figure it out, or they won't.

[Wolfpoet]

I speak for myself and what i think.

You can agree with some, all or none.

You can disagree with some, all or none.

[Cain]

Funnily enough, that project was only for those who wanted to be involved. If someone wants to take a subordinate role, why shouldn't they? I don't recall anyone trying to tell others what to do if they didn't want to be part of it, just to be left the hell alone and not have people try and tell them they were being "heretical" all of a sudden (as if being a heretic to Discordianism isn't within the spirit of the thing itself). But I've already stated such several times and I feel if you havent already understood this point there is no reason in continuing to explain it.

[eldora_avalon]

I speak for myself and what i think.

You can agree with some, all or none.

You can disagree with some, all or none.

I don't think Discordianism can be taught either. I think it's one of those things, either you get it or not. We have lots of written things, books, rants, stories, haikus. I think spreading those around is a good idea so people can know it is there, but there has to be a spark to begin with.

[Little Billy]

I speak for myself and what i think.


Um, then perhaps you shouldn't speak in absolutes.

Just saying.

[Little Billy]

Funnily enough, that project was only for those who wanted to be involved. If someone wants to take a subordinate role, why shouldn't they? I don't recall anyone trying to tell others what to do if they didn't want to be part of it, just to be left the hell alone and not have people try and tell them they were being "heretical" all of a sudden (as if being a heretic to Discordianism isn't within the spirit of the thing itself). But I've already stated such several times and I feel if you havent already understood this point there is no reason in continuing to explain it.


Shut up. If you aren't doing it Wolfpoet's way, you are WRONG.

LB,
Loves an instructional rant forbidding instruction.

[Vincent Verthaine]

Just because discordians are meant to stick apart,doesn't mean we can't work together.
Some of the best O:M's I've been in involve a number of us getting together,letting the most able person take the lead in planning,and everyone working togther.
Discordians shouldn't blindly follow a leader,but there is no requirements for discordians to automatically hate leaders.Or that we can't have any.

What various discordian cabals do is their own(and Eris') business.
If a cabal wants to have a heirarchy and leaders,that's on them and Eris.
And I know better then to tell Eris what to do.

As many attempts there are to "organize" discordianism,the have been counter attempts to dis-organize it also.And counter-counter atempts to re-organize,and counter-counter-counter attempts to re-disorganize....
The Hodge and Podge always balances itself out(eventually).


At the end of the PD,the Polyfather writes:
"The foregoing document was revealed to Mal-2 by the Goddess Herself through
many consultations with Her within his Pineal Gland. It is guaranteed to be
the Word of Goddess. However, it is only fair to state that Goddess doesn't
always say the same thing to each listener, and that other Episkoposes are
sometimes told quite different things in their Revelations, which are also
the Word of Goddess. Consequently, if you prefer a Discordian Sect other
than POEE, then none of these Truths are binding, and it is a rotten shame
that you have read all the way down to the very last word."

The real nature of discordiaism is that it has no real nature.
The Goddess always prevails.

[Wolfpoet]

Shut up. If you aren't doing it Wolfpoet's way, you are WRONG.

LB,
Loves an instructional rant forbidding instruction.

*Raises eyebrow*

If your not doing it my way, your doing it your way. Both are wrong and both are right.

[Little Billy]

*Raises eyebrow*

If your not doing it my way, your doing it your way. Both are wrong and both are right.

Oh, don't go off into solopsism on me now. You claimed to know what the nature of Discordianism™ was, and this is NOT the time to chicken out!

Now, get out there and tell people how to think, ya lousy bum!

LB,
Is like Mickey from Rocky I.

[Wolfpoet]

Oh, don't go off into solopsism on me now. You claimed to know what the nature of Discordianism™ was, and this is NOT the time to chicken out!

Now, get out there and tell people how to think, ya lousy bum!

LB,
Is like Mickey from Rocky I.

Never seen Rocky, kinda liked Rambo however.

[Infinite Grey]

_travolta_

[Baron von Hoopla]

Many Humanists would like us to believe we are somehow better than animals, that we have become a higher lifeform.

Sadly this is just wishful thinking.

We are animals and driven by the same basic functions and instincts as any other creature.

At heart we are very much pack animals and every pack must have an Alpha and thus we are pretty much defined along leader and led in all things. It's a natural instinct, in any given situation we either take over and lead or we follow.

This can be seen in all aspects of life, be it social or personal. Take sex for instance, there are positions where both partners can be equal but how often are they used? Mostly either the male or female take a dominating role. It's the same in same-sex relationships, one partner takes a dominating role, sometimes swapped but almost always one is in charge. S&M relationships are an extreme example of this instinct in action.

Look at team sports, some person or persons take the lead and the rest of the team follow. We are incapable on a biological level of escaping the leader/led instinct.

Now I can hear the lamentations and gnashing of teeth here, you wonder how can Discordianism exist if we are forced to have leader/led lives?

Simple realy, the idea of "thinking for oneself", standing apart from the herd is a unique and rare skill. basicly you are leading and following YOURSELF, internalising the instinct and creating a pack of one. Maybe this quality is the next step in evolution or perhaps it's an aberation, unknown at this point.

Now where am i going with this?

Discordianism is the internalising of an instinctive, biological function. A form of mental control of something most people just give into without even realising.

Some people have expressed and are trying to organise and spread Discordianism. This is a very dangerous prospect as you are in effect undoing the hard work already achieved by assuming a "leader" role. Actively converting somebody is leading them and in effect trying to turn them into a "follower", that it is justified by saying you are trying to wake them up is imaterial.

To summarise, Discordianism can not be taught, you can not tell a person to wake up or make them wake up. All you can do is provide a person with the tools and the knowledge. lead them to the rivr and let them drink in their own time.



Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh THAT "is" delicious . . . Well, now I know who to come to when life gets hard and I want some thinkin' done but am too lazy . . .

And just how, pray tell, are people who don't know about Discordianism supposed to find out about it if you never mention it to anyone? Hmm? Answer me that, O mighty leader (you do realize that by writing that helpful little rant that you put yourself in the 'leader role', don't you? I hope you do, the irony would be too sweet if you didn't)

I suppose you're one of those esotericists like the GD who would love to try to sue others for telling their 'secrets'? Or, am I being too presumptuous?

Giggling blissfully now that he 'knows' how Discordianism works,
BVH