Weimar Republic.

[Grimr]

Anybody have any opinions on this part of German history?

[Grimr]

http://members.lycos.nl/jessetettero/Geschiedenis/Bismarck.jpg



A picture to set things in the mood of the era. Otto Von Bismarck.

In my family I had three uncles who served on the German's side of the frontline.



Though I don't want this discussion to just be about World War I.

I want to talk about this Republic before and during the war.

[Of10Rot10]

Though I don't want this discussion to just be about World War I.

I want to talk about this Republic before and during the war.

What Republic during WWI? Kaiser Wilhelm II ruled Germany until Nov 1918.

Weimar Republic from 1918-33 was a huge failure and opened the door for Hitler the nazis. It wasn't a Republic but a true Democracy which always fail. About the only thing to talk about concerning the Weimar Republic is the many ways it failed.

[Philosophia]

Some links:
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic)
Weimar Republic links (http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/hist/weilin.html)
Fall of the Weimar Republic (http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/hist/tyra.html)
Weimar Republic (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERweimar.htm)
Weimar Germany (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weimar.htm)
The Weimar Republic and the Third Reich (http://dmorgan.web.wesleyan.edu/materials/weimar.htm)
Weimar and Nazi Germany (http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/weimar.htm)
The Weimar Republic I; Economic and Political Problems (http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/germany/lectures/20weimar1.html)
The Weimar Republic; The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.colby.edu/personal/r/rmscheck/GermanyD1.html)
The Weimar Republic - About.com (http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/theweimarrepublic/The_Weimar_Republic.htm)
The failure of the Weimar Republic (http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/failureofweimar.htm)
Weimar Problems (http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar3.htm)
The Weimar Republic, 1918-33 (http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/bl_weimar_republic.htm)
History of Germany (http://home.carolina.rr.com/wormold/germany/4.htm)
Weimar Republic and the Great Depression (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weimar_depression_1929.htm)
Cinema and Film Industry in Weimar Republic, 1918-1933 (http://www.korotonomedya.net/theoria/weimar.html)

[Of10Rot10]

Some links:

No kidding! Thanks I'll be checking them out to see just how much I remember.

[Brightshores]

The Weimar Republic was a direct outcome of the Treaty of Versailles, which is one of my personal candidates for being The. Worst. Idea. Ever.

The government during that time was hampered by the disastrous state of Germany's economy after WWI, which itself was being worsened by the horrendous war reparation payments required by the Treaty of Versailles, compounded by the fact that the prime industrial areas of Germany were controlled by France post-1923. Rampant inflation, poverty, starvation, you get the idea. When the people are suffering to that degree, democracy does tend to break down, and extremist parties on both sides gain power. In Germany, this resulted in fascist rule, and eventually in the outbreak of WWII.

Another problem with the Weimar Republic involved its leadership... the leaders of Germany at that time did not have the power or ability to improve the lot of the people, and also didn't have the charisma to make the German people believe that things would get better (which is almost as important).

[Of10Rot10]

The Weimar Republic was a direct outcome of the Treaty of Versailles, which is one of my personal candidates for being The. Worst. Idea. Ever.

Brilliant summary! Much better than I did. _handclapp :fpraise:

Lets not forget the Dawes Plan which Germany grew dependent on to be able to make reparation payments and when Wall Street crashed Germany was left in worse shape because then they also owed the US. Ebert death didn't help much either.

[ap Dafydd]

Like most other European countries, suffered because of the economic disaster of the 1920s and 1930s.

I seem to recall that there was a tremendous cultural flowering in the 1920s though before Adolf stamped it all out.

gwyn eich byd

Ffred

[Of10Rot10]

Like most other European countries, suffered because of the economic disaster of the 1920s and 1930s.

I seem to recall that there was a tremendous cultural flowering in the 1920s though before Adolf stamped it all out.

gwyn eich byd

Ffred

But that wasn't limited to Germany. Mexico had an impressive art movement, China had an intellectual and liberal movement. Roaring 20's and art deco in the US. The 1920's were a global explosion.

[Grimr]

Like most other European countries, suffered because of the economic disaster of the 1920s and 1930s.

I seem to recall that there was a tremendous cultural flowering in the 1920s though before Adolf stamped it all out.

gwyn eich byd

Ffred

That was where I was trying to get at.

[Grimr]

Some links:
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic)
Weimar Republic links (http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/hist/weilin.html)
Fall of the Weimar Republic (http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/hist/tyra.html)
Weimar Republic (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERweimar.htm)
Weimar Germany (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weimar.htm)
The Weimar Republic and the Third Reich (http://dmorgan.web.wesleyan.edu/materials/weimar.htm)
Weimar and Nazi Germany (http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/weimar.htm)
The Weimar Republic I; Economic and Political Problems (http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/germany/lectures/20weimar1.html)
The Weimar Republic; The Treaty of Versailles (http://www.colby.edu/personal/r/rmscheck/GermanyD1.html)
The Weimar Republic - About.com (http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/theweimarrepublic/The_Weimar_Republic.htm)
The failure of the Weimar Republic (http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/failureofweimar.htm)
Weimar Problems (http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar3.htm)
The Weimar Republic, 1918-33 (http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/bl_weimar_republic.htm)
History of Germany (http://home.carolina.rr.com/wormold/germany/4.htm)
Weimar Republic and the Great Depression (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weimar_depression_1929.htm)
Cinema and Film Industry in Weimar Republic, 1918-1933 (http://www.korotonomedya.net/theoria/weimar.html)


Thanks for the links Minerva.

Do you have a personal opinion on that German period of history?

[Grimr]

What Republic during WWI? Kaiser Wilhelm II ruled Germany until Nov 1918.

Weimar Republic from 1918-33 was a huge failure and opened the door for Hitler the nazis. It wasn't a Republic but a true Democracy which always fail. About the only thing to talk about concerning the Weimar Republic is the many ways it failed.


My mistake.

I guess I was really thinking about the government that Kaiser Wilhelm II ruled or the German Monarchy government prior to his rule until the end of it in 1941.


I got confused because some historians on the internet called it apart of the Weimar Republic. :whatgives


I am mostly familiar with ancient Germany and medieval Germany. I am just now fully reading in detail about industrial or modern Germany in both wars until present. I had some general knowledge about it but never I have I read about it in detail like I am doing presently.


So what I really want to read about is the Monarchy prior to World War I. and afterwards. I would also like to read about the social network of the time period.


I think the last bit of the Monarchy slid away into the Weimar Republic I believe.

[Grimr]

I truly think it is a shame that such people like Otto Von Bismarck didn't make it through time with other leaders in the Weimar Republic.

I think had Otto Von Bismarck been born just a little bit later he would of stopped World War II.

He died though in 1898 though unfortunately.

[Grimr]

The Weimar Republic was a direct outcome of the Treaty of Versailles, which is one of my personal candidates for being The. Worst. Idea. Ever.

The government during that time was hampered by the disastrous state of Germany's economy after WWI, which itself was being worsened by the horrendous war reparation payments required by the Treaty of Versailles, compounded by the fact that the prime industrial areas of Germany were controlled by France post-1923. Rampant inflation, poverty, starvation, you get the idea. When the people are suffering to that degree, democracy does tend to break down, and extremist parties on both sides gain power. In Germany, this resulted in fascist rule, and eventually in the outbreak of WWII.

Another problem with the Weimar Republic involved its leadership... the leaders of Germany at that time did not have the power or ability to improve the lot of the people, and also didn't have the charisma to make the German people believe that things would get better (which is almost as important).

From what I understand the government was a good model but because of the financial burden and strain of the treaty of Versailles it did no good.

It was a Democratic one too so I hear.

[PeatBog]

The Weimar Republic was a bleak time in German history.

[Of10Rot10]

From what I understand the government was a good model but because of the financial burden and strain of the treaty of Versailles it did no good.

It was a Democratic one too so I hear.

Even without the Treaty of Versailles Germany under the Weimar Republic was doomed to fail. The model they used was a true Democracy which always fail so it wasn't a good model.

Germany was seriously financially burdened before the Treaty, the Treay just compounded it but what broke Germanys economy was their dependency on loans from the US under the Dawes Plan in 1924. When Wall Street fell in 1929 there were no more loans from the US and the US wanted payment on the loans Germany had already received.

Ebert wasn't a bad President but he was never able to secure the confidence of the Germany people due to the lousy economy. All the German people see is out of control unemployement and the Mark dropping faster than a lead brick. In Nov. of 1923 the Mark is adjusted, one new Mark is worth trillions of the old Mark bankrupting most Germans. The same month Hitler makes his first attempt at seizing power in the failed Beer Hall Putsch.

By 1932 Nazis and Communists have control of the Reichstag and have underminded Hindenburg's appointed Chancellors to the point he has no choice but to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. In 1933 the Nazis working from inside the Reichstag seize control and turn an easily corruptable true democracy into a dictatorship disbanding all political parties except the Nazis.

And the rest as they say is history.