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PaganPaul
February 22nd, 2007, 02:27 PM
I'm Paul Richards, the author of Witching Stones, published by Llewellyn, and this is how Witching Stones came to be.

The book started out as a simple set of divination tiles, much like Runes, based on 35 symbols from witchcraft, that we hand made out of my living room in Buffalo, NY. We printed a little booklet to go with them on my cheap little HP printer and hand cut and stapled each booklet.

We started out by marketing them to local pagan shops, and eventually we were picked up by the Pyramid Collection catalog. Once the sets started to sell, suddenly Llewellyn Publishing got interested.

They asked us to expand the little booklet into a full book, including several divination methods, spells that could be preformed with the stones, and full histories of each symbol and their use in the craft, along with divination meanings for Past, Present and Future positions.

It took almost a year of our lives to completely re-do the book, and during that time Llewellyn promised us the Sun and the Moon to get us to sign the contract. They showed us cover artwork of the symbols carved into sandstone (lots of Earth tones, very dignified) and talked about signing tours and promotions. We were incredibly excited about the whole project.

Once the contracts were signed however, things changed overnight. The original artwork was replaced with something that looked like it was straight out of Harry Potter. We sent them an email expressing our concerns that this was not what we had agreed on, and they replied with a simple "Our marketing department has decided to go another route." End of story.

There were no signing tours, and there were no promotions. We did get a full page write up in their own magazine, but that was about it. We complained to Llewellyn, but since none of their promises were actually in the contract we signed we had no recourse.

I'm not here to bad-mouth Llewellyn or anyone else, but just take this as a warning. Beware of signing contracts for your work that don't specifically state all the things that have been promised.

Shadow Angel
February 22nd, 2007, 02:34 PM
WELCOME TO MW :cheers:

~Owl~
February 22nd, 2007, 03:52 PM
Well, as for Llew's reputation, I really don't give a hoot. (No pun intended). As Llwellyn is not a member of this "community", just as George"the shrub" Bush isn't, I feel I have every right to call Llews' a publisher of a bunch of fluff bunny wannabies, whom I've kept receiving their tacky magazine with their spell kits, and their how to this and that, and their list of 1,000 books for 9.95 that has a whole entire book based on nothing, except enough information that would take up about as much aspace as my articles I'm working on at the moment (whew, take a breath, Owl) for MW Magazine.

Oh, forgot to mention, as I'm a professional astrologer, I went ahead and ordered a chart from them, and it turns out they sub with another company to do all their work for them.

Well, I found the Astrology service, bought the professional program, and now do the same exact chart services that they do, with my OWN delineations, instead of hand picked astrologer's interpretation that I found word forword in some of my books no less, from years ago, even when I was just a student of astrology back in the 80's....huhhhhh...

Ah well, you live, you learn...you stop learning, you stop living, you stop living, you stop...you just...stop...

SoulFire
February 22nd, 2007, 05:04 PM
Hi Paul, and welcome to MW. I'm sorry to read about your misadventures, and I hope your future is brighter.

Blessed be,
Soulfire

mol
February 22nd, 2007, 05:14 PM
Sounds like you need a forum in our Authors Circle. Welcome to MW.

PaganPaul
February 22nd, 2007, 06:22 PM
Sounds like you need a forum in our Authors Circle. Thanks, but no need for a special section just for me. I've only got the one book right now, although more are in the planning stages.

The problem is Llewellyn has "First Refusal" rights. In other words, I have to submit any new works to them first, and then if they decide to pass on it I'm free to go with another publisher. After my last experience with them, I'm a bit gun-shy.

Lorelei of the Mists
February 22nd, 2007, 07:17 PM
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Wyrmwood
February 22nd, 2007, 07:55 PM
Welcome, Paul,

I know a couple of other Pagan authors who were not completely happy with Llewellyn, a couple that were very happy with Llewellyn, and one that really wishes she had gone with Llewellyn when she had the chance. It is hard to know what to do. They have a marketing machine all set up, but they are in the business of making profit. The Pagan community is a strange, out of the mainstream animal, and often, the rules that apply to us are different than for the rest of the world.

However, your Witch Stones do seem pretty cool. Next time I am out and about, I will have to check them out!

Go luck with it, btw.:wave:

LordFoxglove
February 23rd, 2007, 10:58 AM
. The funny thing is that I don't want monetary gain from this book. It is for a personal reason that I would publish my work. I guess I'm weird in that way. . .


That's a good thing as for most authors the royalty check and the reality check come in the same envelope. The average freelance author earns less than $5000.00 a year and unless you're very well known you will probably earn less than minimum wage for all your hard work! Writing a full-length book isn’t easy and requires a huge amount of sacrifice and dedication. You have to write because you love to write, not because you have dollar signs in your eyes. If you make descent money writing, consider yourself blessed.

Fox

Shadow Angel
February 23rd, 2007, 11:04 AM
:cheers: Agreed!

mithrilmoon
February 23rd, 2007, 11:05 AM
Agreement seconded!

mithrilmoon
February 23rd, 2007, 11:15 AM
Agreement seconded!

I'd also like to state the seemingly obvious - a vitally important factor that can be overlooked in the blissful excitement following the offer of a contract.

READ THE SMALL PRINT.

Don't sign ANYTHING until you are certain that all bases are covered.

There are many organisations for authors who, for a comparatively small joining fee, will check the contract from beginning to end and advise as to whether it is fair and meets your expectations. If not you will need to negotiate - or decline the offer and seek a different publisher.

Publishing is a cut-throat business and while huge profits can be made, huge losses, too, are par for the course. I can't comment on your individual case but had you gone over the contract with a fine-toothed comb you'd have noticed that things promised and 'agreed on' verbally were absent.

Chalk it up to experience. You are now a 'name' fish in a comparatively small pond. Use this when negotiating your next contract.

LordFoxglove
February 23rd, 2007, 11:29 AM
Agreement seconded!



READ THE SMALL PRINT.

Don't sign ANYTHING until you are certain that all bases are covered.

There are many organisations for authors who, for a comparatively small joining fee, will check the contract from beginning to end and advise as to whether it is fair and meets your expectations. If not you will need to negotiate - or decline the offer and seek a different publisher.



VERY good advise! Its in your favor to pay a professional to look over a publishing contract. Publishing contracts are written in favor of the publisher NOT the author! I've recently signed with a literary agent to negotiate my contracts. Agents take a part of the authors royalties but are more often than not able to barter a better deal. Getting an agent to sign you is easier said than done, however, unless you have a track record under your belt.

Still want to write a book? LOL! GL~ Fox

Shadow Angel
February 23rd, 2007, 11:40 AM
quote:
Publishing contracts are written in favor of the publisher NOT the author!


Aint that the truth!!