The Satanic Challenge

[Stormbeard]

It's been clear to me, that scattered around the site have been challenges, by some, to the validity of our humble forum home.

I invite those of you to walk into the lion's den and get to know him better, for he is a noble beast.

So, if you want to question us or the validity of our faith, I will give you this, the arena in which to do it.

[Stormbeard]

Also...

Please respect the rules of the site in this thread. There'll be no exceptions to those.
Please read the rest of the thread, I refuse to answer 'So if u blive in s8n duz dat meen u bleev in god?' or 'do s8nistz bleev it's rite to kill babies?' any more than once.

[Rudas Starblaze]

im guessing no one has any questions eh!? :lol:

[Jolixte]

I assume we are talking about LaVeyan Satanism here? If so, why is it even referred to satanism in the first place if it has no connection to Christianity? It always seemed like the only reason to do that would be to piss Christians off... but I could be wrong. :)

[David19]

I assume we are talking about LaVeyan Satanism here? If so, why is it even referred to satanism in the first place if it has no connection to Christianity? It always seemed like the only reason to do that would be to piss Christians off... but I could be wrong. :)

I could be wrong, as I'm not a Laveyan Satanist (or any kind of Satanist actually), but I think I've read Lavey choose Satan as the symbol of his Church because of what he represented - rebellion, independence, etc.

I could be wrong though.

[Kudzu]

Okay, I'll bite! I know very little about Satanism. What does your actual practice "look like?" What worship (if any) happens? How often? In what form (ritual liturgy)? Do you practice with others? If my questions appear ignorant, it's because they are!

[Stormbeard]

I assume we are talking about LaVeyan Satanism here? If so, why is it even referred to satanism in the first place if it has no connection to Christianity? It always seemed like the only reason to do that would be to piss Christians off... but I could be wrong. :)

The Christian church has spent so long promoting Satanism. Even long before LeVayan Satanism existed. So it was logical to 'cash-in' on that notoriety to spread your message.

[Stormbeard]

Okay, I'll bite! I know very little about Satanism. What does your actual practice "look like?" What worship (if any) happens? How often? In what form (ritual liturgy)? Do you practice with others? If my questions appear ignorant, it's because they are!

I don't practice, I don't worship, I don't practice with other Satanists and if you were to see a Satanist day by day, you'd not know him to be Satanic

[Rudas Starblaze]

Okay, I'll bite! I know very little about Satanism. What does your actual practice "look like?" What worship (if any) happens? How often? In what form (ritual liturgy)? Do you practice with others? If my questions appear ignorant, it's because they are!

they arent ignorant questions.:)

to be honest, it depends on the satanists and the access to a satanic church in regards to the way the worship and do their rituals. much like paganism, there are probably more solitaries out there than there are organized groups. grant it there may be small packs of 2, 3, 4 or so that run together. but most of the big organized satanic churches are big cities. as for what a satanist looks like, pretty much like Stormbeard said, you could sit next to one in a public place and never know the difference. i mean hell, i hardly ever wear all black if thats what ya mean!

[lightdragon]

I don't practice, I don't worship, I don't practice with other Satanists and if you were to see a Satanist day by day, you'd not know him to be Satanic
so there are no specific set of ritual tools or anything.

[Rudas Starblaze]

so there are no specific set of ritual tools or anything.

it varies just as a pagan ritual does. knives, swords, candles, etc etc. but i do believe that a ritual sword is one of the more used tools when it comes to a planned out ritual.:)

[Brightshores]

Do you guys have to deal with the inevitable stereotyping that comes up when people find out you're Satanists? Are you often faced with the "OMG - BABY EATING DEVIL WORSHIPER" garbage, or are people curious and openminded, or both?

[Stormbeard]

so there are no specific set of ritual tools or anything.

For those among us who would indulge in said rituals.

However no, there are no essential items you need to go out and purchase to be a Satanist. Since it is the worship of man, the most important tool is the human body.

[Stormbeard]

Do you guys have to deal with the inevitable stereotyping that comes up when people find out you're Satanists? Are you often faced with the "OMG - BABY EATING DEVIL WORSHIPER" garbage, or are people curious and openminded, or both?

People are never curious or openminded. They always jump to the logical conclusion (Oh, you worship satan!?) and I never have the time or patience to sit them down and talk them through it.

Stereotypes are a part of every religion, so I'm not too bothered by it.

[lightdragon]

For those among us who would indulge in said rituals.

However no, there are no essential items you need to go out and purchase to be a Satanist. Since it is the worship of man, the most important tool is the human body. in Wicca/paganism the human body or yourself is the most important tool as well and everything is secondary. Some Wicca/witches/pagans/etc. are sometimes trained to do a ritual without any tools except yourself. I believe RS answered my question,unless you want to give a more detailed account of the secondary tools of the Satanists. And thank you for responding.

[Shanti]

What, if any, philosophies are shared by all or most variations of satanism?

Example, Wicca...the feminine and male aspect of deity I think are shared amongst the Wiccan variations.

[Stormbeard]

The acknowledgement of the power and dominion of man.

[Shanti]

What, if anything, is unique to satanism you don't find or find less frequent in other belief systems/philosophies?

[Rudas Starblaze]

Do you guys have to deal with the inevitable stereotyping that comes up when people find out you're Satanists? Are you often faced with the "OMG - BABY EATING DEVIL WORSHIPER" garbage, or are people curious and openminded, or both?

actually, to be perfectly honest, i dont claim to follow any religion. i am simply a witch. i dont hesitate to learn about other religions or belief systems because they all interest me and bore me at the same time. i know the christian religion up, down, and inside out. i know the satanic religion the same way. i have a vast knowledge (maybe not a perfect knowledge, but vast) of most pagan belief systems/religions.

grant it, i probably do identify more along the lines of a satanist, but if everyone, and i mean everyone, would take the time and read the SB and think about it.... you all might be suprised at how much of it fits into your personal lives and belief systems.

[Rudas Starblaze]

What, if any, philosophies are shared by all or most variations of satanism?

Example, Wicca...the feminine and male aspect of deity I think are shared amongst the Wiccan variations.

i think what Stormbeard is getting at by the use of the term "man" means human kind in general. as in we all worship ourselves as deities to each other so to speak. kinda like how a man is supposed to worship his wife and vise vera.

(i could be wrong in your meaning Stormbeard and if i am, i appologize.)


What, if anything, is unique to satanism you don't find or find less frequent in other belief systems/philosophies?

as for this, Shatril, there is quite a bit i found in the SB that relates to most all belief systems. but like i said in the "satanic bible ownership" thread, i do own the underground satanic witches edition which has ALOT more to it than the typical run of the mill SB that most people probably have.:)

[Shanti]

i think what Stormbeard is getting at by the use of the term "man" means human kind in general. as in we all worship ourselves as deities to each other so to speak. kinda like how a man is supposed to worship his wife and vise vera.

(i could be wrong in your meaning Stormbeard and if i am, i appologize.)



as for this, Shatril, there is quite a bit i found in the SB that relates to most all belief systems. but like i said in the "satanic bible ownership" thread, i do own the underground satanic witches edition which has ALOT more to it than the typical run of the mill SB that most people probably have.:)
I found Stormbeards answer to me, very well put and fit the way my mind works very well.
Thats why I asked another question, I like his straightforwardness and simplicity and perspective. :)

[Shanti]

Please don't forget question number 2 somewhere up there!! :)

Question 3:
Since you cant speak for others, I ask you, what is your opinion on the character portrayed in the HB as Satan?

Question 4: Again since you cant give another's opinion:
Do you have an opinion toward the HB, as in if it is a fictional work or has some factual bases?

Question 5: How do you feel about the character in HB as Satan being portrayed as evil, thus the term Satanism is often viewed as evil? Does this have a negative impact that could be slowing or preventing the progression of Satanism within the population?

[Stormbeard]

I found Stormbeards answer to me, very well put and fit the way my mind works very well.
Thats why I asked another question, I like his straightforwardness and simplicity and perspective. :)

And I'm a looker, to boot!

[Stormbeard]

What, if anything, is unique to satanism you don't find or find less frequent in other belief systems/philosophies?

Satanism is a very selfish philosophy in nature. It revolves around pleasure, self-preservation and the power of one's being. It has no real, 'love thy neighbour' aspect to it, but rather leaves that side at the discretion of the Satanist.

My personal choice is to respect those I deem worthy of respect, love those whom I feel should be loved and make no peace against all that I find detestable.

One must remember that, like the teachings of Buddha, the Satanic Bible is not a rulebook. It is not a collection of commandments to be followed to the note, and atoned for should they be disobeyed. It is simply a collection of ideas and statements and you may take from it any bits you please.

[Stormbeard]

Question 3:
Since you cant speak for others, I ask you, what is your opinion on the character portrayed in the HB as Satan?

What a fantastic character Satan is, in all his literary forms! The great misunderstood one. The treacherous beast. The undoer of plans. The enigmatic Satan character is an instant hit.


Question 4: Again since you cant give another's opinion:
Do you have an opinion toward the HB, as in if it is a fictional work or has some factual bases?

An incredible story with, no doubt, relating historical content. History, however, is written by the winners so we can't hold it up as a bastion of fact and truth.


Question 5: How do you feel about the character in HB as Satan being portrayed as evil, thus the term Satanism is often viewed as evil? Does this have a negative impact that could be slowing or preventing the progression of Satanism within the population?

Couldn't give a toss about the progression of Satanism. I'm not interested in saving souls or changing peoples devotion. In the words of the High Priest himself "Evil is Live backwards". While Christianity may view indulgence as 'evil' and abstainance as 'bliss', this view is not shared by the Satanist. Good and evil is subjective, and while Satanism continues to hold it's values regarding self-satisfaction it will be construed by the Christian right to be 'evil'. We're fine with that.

[Shanti]

And I'm a looker, to boot!
You read my post in the others guys thread awhile back, huh? :lol:

[Stormbeard]

You read my post in the others guys thread awhile back, huh? :lol:
I know not of this witchcraft of which you speak.

[Shanti]

What a fantastic character Satan is, in all his literary forms! The great misunderstood one. The treacherous beast. The undoer of plans. The enigmatic Satan character is an instant hit.
I knew it. I knew you would say exactly that word...misunderstood. I was waiting for it. LOL
I have said myself, 'perhaps he is misunderstood?', only to have the strangest looks cast my way.:lol:


An incredible story with, no doubt, relating historical content. History, however, is written by the winners so we can't hold it up as a bastion of fact and truth. True. History is written by the winners. Sucks.



Couldn't give a toss about the progression of Satanism. I'm not interested in saving souls or changing peoples devotion. In the words of the High Priest himself "Evil is Live backwards". While Christianity may view indulgence as 'evil' and abstainance as 'bliss', this view is not shared by the Satanist. Good and evil is subjective, and while Satanism continues to hold it's values regarding self-satisfaction it will be construed by the Christian right to be 'evil'. We're fine with that. Very Taoist like in ideals. :)

[Shanti]

Satanism is a very selfish philosophy in nature. It revolves around pleasure, self-preservation and the power of one's being. It has no real, 'love thy neighbour' aspect to it, but rather leaves that side at the discretion of the Satanist.When reading this, I thought of Buddhism and having been called the selfish religion because your own enlightenment is your desire.


My personal choice is to respect those I deem worthy of respect, love those whom I feel should be loved and make no peace against all that I find detestable. I share the same views but the last...I prefer to ignore, not acknowledge, or wish away (with some success too) those I detest. I just don't need my life bothered by them.


One must remember that, like the teachings of Buddha, the Satanic Bible is not a rulebook. It is not a collection of commandments to be followed to the note, and atoned for should they be disobeyed. It is simply a collection of ideas and statements and you may take from it any bits you please.And I cant argue nor not respect the lack of dogma. :)

[Shanti]

Thank you very much. :)
More question may be forthcoming. :)

[Stormbeard]

I share the same views but the last...I prefer to ignore, not acknowledge, or wish away (with some success too) those I detest. I just don't need my life bothered by them.

My war is not always a reactive war. My apathy for their views is often enough. We live turbulant lives in a busy world, and I have no time for them.

[Stormbeard]

More question may be forthcoming. :)

I welcome them.

I'm rather enjoying this little game.

[Shanti]

What possible philosophies would define one as a satanist and not some other path title?

[Piney Boy]

Gotta say I was pricked by the curiosity of this thread, and with that have to ask the question that floats to the front of my mind.
Does violence or subjugation of those you deem weaker of spirit, body, or mind play a role in your thoughts or practices?

[LadyWinter]

Are all satanists hot? I gather from the thread you began satanists are very clean people? :hehehehe:

Winter

[Stormbeard]

Does violence or subjugation of those you deem weaker of spirit, body, or mind play a role in your thoughts or practices?

No. The weak will all fall by the wayside anyway. It is not on us to put them there.

[Stormbeard]

Are all satanists hot?


Not all of us.


Observe:

http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/10103000/10103152.jpg

[Shanti]

What possible philosophies would define one as a satanist and not some other path title?
You missed a question. ^
:)

[Stormbeard]

What possible philosophies would define one as a satanist and not some other path title?

It is a combination of the philosophies and the place where the believer views themselves to be.

To put together a checklist would be futile.

If you're looking for the basic tenets of the faith though, the Satanic Bible by LeVay is a great place to start.

[Shanti]

I stared to read the SB and to me the term Satan seems to be more of a concept of perception than an actual being.

[Rudas Starblaze]

I stared to read the SB and to me the term Satan seems to be more of a concept of perception than an actual being.

in a way, yes. in another way, no. but like all religions and deities, are they all not much more that concepts of perception to the individual? the Morrigan for instance, Rowan Darkmoon knows pretty much every last detail about the Morrigan and that particular belief system. ive read through some of the books she has on the Morrigan, and our concepts on the Morrigan are a bit different.:)

[BlackMagicalCat]

No. The weak will all fall by the wayside anyway. It is not on us to put them there.


The weak will fall by the wayside.?

What do you clasify as weak?Someone in a wheelchair?And old person?
A child perhaps?Just who is the weak spoken of here?

Someone less inteligent than yourself?

Everyone gets weak,and dies,including you and me,so does that mean we will also be despised?

When you become weak,will you despise yourself?

Does satan love anyone,and will he still love them in thier weakest hour?(we all will have one)

Is the idea of a heart filled with love,considered to be weakness?

Is the concept of humility considered to be weak?

Does the glorification of mans strength mean satanists are in agreement with part of the ideas of Adolf Hitler(minus the hate against Jews and the supremacy of the aryan race)

Why does it even matter to a satanist,,if another is weak?

Does the satanist who actualy believes in the Judeo-christian devil (as the greater God)actually worship him?(I say Judeo-christian because thats where he is found,in Hebrew and christian texts and holy books)

Is he greater than a man?

Is he powerfull?

Does he have angels?

Does he empower those who honor him?

Does he require sacrafice and loyalty to share his power with others?Or does he just share with anyone and everyone?

Does he honor loyalty to him?

Does he also despise the weak?If so,why?

When a person is weak,stumbles and falls,and is hurting,,is this weak?If so,are they dispised?Is satan moved by the suffering of another?

What about the opression of the weak by the strong?

Do satanists who actually believe in him(not the self pleasure honor your animal instincts put on an animal mask type,s,but the ones who actually see Satan as a diety)do they
believe he is God alone,or are thier lesser Gods and or Goddesses?

Where does the Goddess fit in Satans kingdom,is there one?If so,what role does she play?(The satanic Goddess)Is there one?
If there is,can you post her name?

What do satanists,believe will be thier after life,where will they go?

Thanks for answering these if you decide to,it will help me understand more about satanism.I aplogize for knowing nothing about satanists,so enlighten me if you would.

My interests here are in seeing what you know about the characture of this diety spoken of here,what is he like?Satan is after all,a spirit being.

It seems to me,calling yourself a satanists,(not you,but others who do it)without actually believing he exists,,is like a christian calling himself a christain without actually believing Christ exists.

Thanks for your time.

[Stormbeard]

You're a man of many questions. Not all of them will I answer, as with little effort the answers may be found around the forum.


What do you clasify as weak?Someone in a wheelchair?And old person?
A child perhaps?Just who is the weak spoken of here?

Someone less inteligent than yourself?

Everyone gets weak,and dies,including you and me,so does that mean we will also be despised?

When you become weak,will you despise yourself?


You'll see the answers to this in one of the Satanic Bible threads. The terms strength and weakness as used in Satanism speak of more than physical strength. That was very well covered in the aforementioned thread however


Does satan love anyone,and will he still love them in thier weakest hour?(we all will have one)

I don't believe in Satan as a deity. He is a character, seen many times, but most well known in the greatest work of fiction of all time, 'The Holy Bible'. Was that character capable of love? That depends on who's story you believe. ;)


Is the idea of a heart filled with love,considered to be weakness?

Not at all.


Is the concept of humility considered to be weak?

Think you are above weakness is a weakness in itself. Memento Mori, my friend.


Does the glorification of mans strength mean satanists are in agreement with part of the ideas of Adolf Hitler(minus the hate against Jews and the supremacy of the aryan race)

Yes.


Why does it even matter to a satanist,,if another is weak?

It doesn't. As expressed by my 'the weak shall fall by the wayside' comment. It only matters to us when the weak cross our path.


Does the satanist who actualy believes in the Judeo-christian devil (as the greater God)actually worship him?(I say Judeo-christian because thats where he is found,in Hebrew and christian texts and holy books)

I wouldn't know. I don't believe in a Judeo-Christian 'devil'. Nor do I have interest in any who do.


Where does the Goddess fit in Satans kingdom,is there one?If so,what role does she play?(The satanic Goddess)Is there one?

There are no Gods. Nor are there Godesses. I find the idea of a spiritual leader insulting. The Satanic Goddess is the satanic woman.


What do satanists,believe will be thier after life,where will they go?

Again, this varies from person to person. I believe that that is simply the end. There is no rebirth, simply darkness and we return to the state of unconcious that we had before we were born. All that I am sure of it that only time can answer that question, and I'm in no hurry to find out.


Thanks for answering these if you decide to,it will help me understand more about satanism.I aplogize for knowing nothing about satanists,so enlighten me if you would.

If you were to stick around here and read more, rather than coming up with a list of questions that have been answered already many times, perhaps you would feel more enlightened.


My interests here are in seeing what you know about the characture of this diety spoken of here,what is he like? Satan is after all,a spirit being.

No he is not. Satan (and all the other infernal names he is known by) is a metaphor for mankind.


It seems to me,calling yourself a satanists,(not you,but others who do it)without actually believing he exists,,is like a christian calling himself a christain without actually believing Christ exists.

People who would believe that an actual ark, big enough to carry 2 of every animal on earth for a great number of days while the earth flooded and destroyed all life are just as unsettling. If one takes Judeo-Christian teachings at face value, then we are all inbred.

All these questions spring from one word of ignorance. That Satanists worship Satan.

Tell me, do Islamic peoples worship Is? Do Buddhists worship Buddha?

[Shanti]

I don't believe in Satan as a deity. He is a character, seen many times, but most well known in the greatest work of fiction of all time, 'The Holy Bible'. Was that character capable of love? That depends on who's story you believe.
No he is not. Satan (and all the other infernal names he is known by) is a metaphor for mankind. That's how I saw it as i was reading the SB. Satan, a metaphor!! :) I tried to say that but the darn word was lost to me so I used a different way to try to explain it. Heck to me all deities are metaphors.


Again, this varies from person to person. I believe that that is simply the end. There is no rebirth, simply darkness and we return to the state of unconscious that we had before we were born. All that I am sure of it that only time can answer that question, and I'm in no hurry to find out. To me that sounds like my perception of what you can do if you choose to be done playing with existences. I believe that's what Buddha did, went back to the nothing that's everything...AKA to me, the Tao.


Do Buddhists worship Buddha?Actually some do, and others look down on it as Buddha himself never claimed to be anyone special, just a man that was awake.
I don't care who does what. I worship no one or nothing. I give honor and respect, but no worshipping for me.

[lightdragon]

Not all of us.


Observe:

http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/10103000/10103152.jpg
I second this.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Okay,thanks StormBeard.

Are you speaking for Traditional Satanist,and if so,are you one?

sorta like the 3rd degree HP who wanted to answer questions on behalf of Gardnerian Wicca,,but when someone asked who initiated them,they didnt answer.

So,are you qualified to speak for Traditional satanist?And if so,would you be violating an oath in saying so?

I admit,I didnt look at the other threads,,you made an offer here on this thread to answer questions,,so I asked.I dont mean to sound sarcastic,,Im just wondering what your qualifications are.?

When you say you dont see Satan as a Deity,,this must be your own opinion,because it certainly isnt that of other satanist is it?(I know it is the belief of some,satanist dont believe in the devil,we all heard that)

You said Satan is a caracture,,but,,,what kind of caractrure?Have you met him?How well do you know him?

He must be obviously more powerfull than man,right?
Is he more powerfull than God?(well,you dont believe in God I guess)

To know something about God,,you must know God.So,,I assume,,to know something about Satan,,you must know him,and what he is like,doesnt that make sense?

You say,,that it only matters when the weak cross your path,,,but,,what if its your mother who crosses your path?What if its someone elses weak mother?What if that weak person is your brother?

why does it matter if a weak person crosses your path?

What right do you have to decide who is,and isnt weak?Do you have the wisdom to even know this?

If Satan is not a God to you,why borrow his name?

And lastly,how do you know Satan does not exist?How do you know he isnt a God?Where did you learn this?

I admit im chalenging your ideas,and I would like to see just what you really know,,many claim to be satanist,they borrow the name,,knowing nothing about who is on the other end of the name.

And you did say,,Ask,so Im asking.I am busy though,so I will stop by later to see if you are prepared to answer these questions in THIS thread,like you said you would,If not,thats okay too.Ill understand.

I may have just popped up,,but only after your invitation to ASK.

Thankyou StormBeard.

[Stormbeard]

Okay,thanks StormBeard.

Are you speaking for Traditional Satanist,and if so,are you one?

I don't get caught up in the dogmatic bullshit of ensuring I stay within the boundries of a label.


So,are you qualified to speak for Traditional satanist?And if so,would you be violating an oath in saying so?

It's not about qualification. There is no Satanic League Table. The religion is a deeply personal affair, not a social club. There is no 'Satanic Oath'. Any religion/cult/sect that swears you to anything which will restrict you of your personal freedom, is not, by definition, Satanic.


I admit,I didnt look at the other threads,,you made an offer here on this thread to answer questions,,so I asked.I dont mean to sound sarcastic,,Im just wondering what your qualifications are.

I'm the guide for this forum. If you browse around this forum you'll see that both Rudas and I have proved our worth in our roles. I agreed to answer questions, however, that's not to say that this thread should be your first port of call to ask the same questions we've been answering since it began.


When you say you dont see Satan as a Deity,,this must be your own opinion,because it certainly isnt that of other satanist is it?(I know it is the belief of some,satanist dont believe in the devil,we all heard that)

If it came from my hand, you can rest assured that it is my opinion unless stated otherwise.


He must be obviously more powerfull than man,right?

You've completely missed the point. HE IS MAN.


Is he more powerfull than God?(well,you dont believe in God I guess)

There is no 'God'.


You say,,that it only matters when the weak cross your path,,,but,,what if its your mother who crosses your path?What if its someone elses weak mother?What if that weak person is your brother?

What if that weak person is my mother or my brother? I don't understand what you're getting at.


why does it matter if a weak person crosses your path?

Let me make this clear to you once and for all. The role of the Satanist is not "GO OUT AND KILL THE WEAK PEOPLE, FOR THEY ARE WEAK AND WE ARE STRONG". It is about finding strength within ones self, rather than going on a weakness witchhunt and condemning others.


What right do you have to decide who is,and isnt weak?Do you have the wisdom to even know this?

Yes. I am the judge of what I believe. Nobody else controls my mind.


If Satan is not a God to you,why borrow his name?

This has been explained before.


And lastly,how do you know Satan does not exist?How do you know he isnt a God?Where did you learn this?

Because I am not one for invisible friends and fairy tales. I live in a world of reality, not a world of spiritual pipe dreams. The same way that all theistic believers must make a blind leap of faith in their choice to believe. I choose not to believe.


I admit im chalenging your ideas,and I would like to see just what you really know,,many claim to be satanist,they borrow the name,,knowing nothing about who is on the other end of the name.

Those people are none of my concern. Why are you making them yours? Is it on you to be the 'Psuedo-Satanist Witchfinder General?' or is this a journey of ego? Are you really interested in learning more about Satanism or are you trying to lay a trap, in the hope somebody will fall into it? What is your motive?

[Hærfest Leah]

The Christian church has spent so long promoting Satanism. Even long before LeVayan Satanism existed. So it was logical to 'cash-in' on that notoriety to spread your message.

That makes perfect sense to me. I know jack about Satanism too.

I've heard people say that Satanism is a sect of Christianity, is that true? If so to be a Satanist don't you have to know whole lot about Catholicism or Christianity in general?

[Stormbeard]

I've heard people say that Satanism is a sect of Christianity, is that true?

No. It was initially quite a violent reaction against Christianity however. So the two are certainly intrinsically linked.

[BlackMagicalCat]

That makes perfect sense to me. I know jack about Satanism too.

I've heard people say that Satanism is a sect of Christianity, is that true? If so to be a Satanist don't you have to know whole lot about Catholicism or Christianity in general?

Satan was around before the time of Christ,he is found in Old testament scriptures.The church capitalized on this,turned every pagan God into the devil,and murdured many in the name of God.Just like God has many names,so too Satan has many names.

I was wondering though Stormbeard,,what are the high holy days for the avarage satanist,and how are they celebrated?

I really would like to know this,it sounds very interesting,how are they celebrated,what type of rituals are done,and why?

And NO,I do not hunt down satanist,I dont care what someone else believes(well,sometimes I do locally to learn from them,I seek them out and bug them),but my interest was in what you believed and knew.I really dont know you.I havent been posting here much,Im too busy,its 3:23 AM now,and past my bedtime.

This is my last question too.Ill look at your other threads sometime soon.

Thanks for the ones you did answer.

[Stormbeard]

I was wondering though Stormbeard,,what are the high holy days for the avarage satanist,and how are they celebrated?

The most important day in the Satanic calender is the Satanists birthday.


I really would like to know this,it sounds very interesting,how are they celebrated,what type of rituals are done,and why?

There are a few rituals, practiced as a form of meditation. None claim to have any real effect. They're documented in The Satanic Rituals and touched upon in The Satanic Bible. That said, I don't partake in any Satanic ritual. It is a waste of time.

[GabrielWithoutWings]

There is no 'Satanic Oath'.

/whisper

You need to remind King Diamond of that.

http://www.nocturnalhorde.com/uploads/images/classics/20060102mercyfulfate1.jpg

[Stormbeard]

/whisper

You need to remind King Diamond of that.

http://www.nocturnalhorde.com/uploads/images/classics/20060102mercyfulfate1.jpg

King Diamond trumps anything I say. I stand corrected.

[~Belladonna~]

1) What books, bar the SB, are good to read on Satanism or Satanic Witchcraft?

2) How many forms of Satanism are there?

Thanks,

[Stormbeard]

1) What books, bar the SB, are good to read on Satanism or Satanic Witchcraft?

Good is subjective. I'd say take the Satanic Bible and The Satanic Rituals. Satan Speaks is pretty good too. I've heard good things about "The Devil's Notebook". Also, you might like The Satanic Witch.

However, read around. There's some damn fine essays floating around on the internet.

Then, do the thinking for yourself.


2) How many forms of Satanism are there?

12.

But seriously, how long's a piece of string? The two main types are Church of Satan and Theistic Satanist. However there are many more than that.

[~Belladonna~]

Good is subjective. I'd say take the Satanic Bible and The Satanic Rituals. Satan Speaks is pretty good too. I've heard good things about "The Devil's Notebook". Also, you might like The Satanic Witch.

However, read around. There's some damn fine essays floating around on the internet.

Then, do the thinking for yourself.



12.

But seriously, how long's a piece of string? The two main types are Church of Satan and Theistic Satanist. However there are many more than that.

Why thank you Rudas :hahugh: 'The Satanic Witch' sounds very interesting and I've just found a link on this site straight to the online SB in PDF form, so gonna browse through that now.

Am I right in thinking that Theistic Satanists believe in Satan as a Deity, and wouldn't this mean they have a connection with Christianity because of the Devil and all that, or do I have this totally wrong? Sorry if I do.

Thanks for being so helpful.

[Stormbeard]

Why thank you Rudas

!?!?!



Am I right in thinking that Theistic Satanists believe in Satan as a Deity, and wouldn't this mean they have a connection with Christianity because of the Devil and all that, or do I have this totally wrong? Sorry if I do.

I'm not a theistic Satanist, and my views on it as a religion are not open minded. I wouldn't be the best person to ask.

[~Belladonna~]

!?!?!
An English saying, ignore my sense of humor lol.




I'm not a theistic Satanist, and my views on it as a religion are not open minded. I wouldn't be the best person to ask.

Ok, cool.

[Stormbeard]

I'm English!

I've never heard it.

[Flux]

i mean hell, i hardly ever wear all black if thats what ya mean! Barge, sorry. I'm picturing RS in periwinkle and it's making me giggle. :hehehehe: