Weekly Divination ~ WHAT?!?! is it?!?!

[Hope]

This actually comes from a thread we have going here in Divination.

The questions being:

How do you define intent, how about will?

Do you control outcomes of divination? or speak to/with/channel spirit(s)

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t

[LisaT4P]

Could you point me to the thread? I'm not quite sure I understand the context of the question. :confused: I"m feeling rather dense at the moment. lol

[TheWomanMonster]

Simply put for I'm a simple sort.

"How do you define intent, how about will?"
Intent means what you wish or want to happen...
Will is the active forcing of this intent or want.
Which is achieved by whatever means you're currently using.

In divination intent would usually be something along the lines of wanting the correct answer to your question. Will would be actively seeking the correct answer through your tools or conversation with the divine (and/or your higher self which would be seen as a conduit of the divine knowledge).

"Do you control outcomes of divination? or speak to/with/channel spirit(s)"
This answer isn't so simple, for me...

Yes I control the outcome. If my intent and will are to have the truth then I will have it. However my intent and will can also be on 'the best' or my 'favoured' answer. For example does billy-bob love me? if I'm crazy about this fella billy-bob, my intent/desire would likely be to have him love me back which may or may not be the actual truth. (which is usually where intent and will to force others into things, through the methods of love charms and so on come in and these means are often misused).

Also,
Yes I speak with/to and channel spirits. It's all comes down to what you're communicating with. It's all the same thing really. If you don't understand what I'm saying there then maybe my ways aren't yours. In addition to that it also comes from within me.

So basically how it works with me is, it all comes from a higher source, that I have access to through careful meditation (not difficult really) or through the use of divination tools.
These answers are given sometimes through 'random events' interpreted as signs, symbols, randomly drawn tarot cards or runes. Or through unconcious movements (these you would see in things like Pendulum dowsing or Ouija board use). Either way, the sources would be the same, ultimately knowledge that you're taking from outside (higher?) and into yourself. Channelling would be the same thing again, taking knowledge from these sources and speaking without knowing previously what has been revealed.

Not sure how much sense I just made.
I'm a bit overtired and sleep deprived.

[Hope]

Could you point me to the thread? I'm not quite sure I understand the context of the question. :confused: I"m feeling rather dense at the moment. lol


I could and will if you insist, BUT prefer this be its OWN thread on defining some things :) (cause i am just like that lol)

what is your definition of intent
what is your definition of will .... OR are they the same

when doing divination do you force the outcome? is it really just your intent?

are you working with spirits?

or channeling?

how do you explain the divination you do :)

love
t

[Hope]

Simply put for I'm a simple sort.

"How do you define intent, how about will?"
Intent means what you wish or want to happen...
Will is the active forcing of this intent or want.
Which is achieved by whatever means you're currently using.

In divination intent would usually be something along the lines of wanting the correct answer to your question. Will would be actively seeking the correct answer through your tools or conversation with the divine (and/or your higher self which would be seen as a conduit of the divine knowledge).

"Do you control outcomes of divination? or speak to/with/channel spirit(s)"
This answer isn't so simple, for me...

Yes I control the outcome. If my intent and will are to have the truth then I will have it. However my intent and will can also be on 'the best' or my 'favoured' answer. For example does billy-bob love me? if I'm crazy about this fella billy-bob, my intent/desire would likely be to have him love me back which may or may not be the actual truth. (which is usually where intent and will to force others into things, through the methods of love charms and so on come in and these means are often misused).

Also,
Yes I speak with/to and channel spirits. It's all comes down to what you're communicating with. It's all the same thing really. If you don't understand what I'm saying there then maybe my ways aren't yours. In addition to that it also comes from within me.

So basically how it works with me is, it all comes from a higher source, that I have access to through careful meditation (not difficult really) or through the use of divination tools.
These answers are given sometimes through 'random events' interpreted as signs, symbols, randomly drawn tarot cards or runes. Or through unconcious movements (these you would see in things like Pendulum dowsing or Ouija board use). Either way, the sources would be the same, ultimately knowledge that you're taking from outside (higher?) and into yourself. Channelling would be the same thing again, taking knowledge from these sources and speaking without knowing previously what has been revealed.

Not sure how much sense I just made.
I'm a bit overtired and sleep deprived.


thanks for taking time to do such a thought out answer AND i am confident

helping (by example) make my topic more clear :)

love
t

[LisaT4P]

Ah, I think I must have been over-analyzing the question. LOL I will get back soonest. :)

[TheWomanMonster]

thanks for taking time to do such a thought out answer AND i am confident

helping (by example) make my topic more clear :)

love
t

And here I thought I was just running my mouth due to being overtired
(and mega-stressed out). hehe.
Glad it made some sense.

I'm interested in seeing what some other people think too.

[LisaT4P]

what is your definition of intent:
what is your definition of will .... OR are they the sameLet me give you the dictionary definitions:

Intent: 1.firmly or steadfastly fixed or directed, as the eyes or mind: an intent gaze. 2.having the attention sharply focused or fixed on something: intent on one's job. 3.determined or resolved; having the mind or will fixed on some goal: intent on revenge.

Will:
1.the faculty of conscious and especially of deliberate action; the power of control the mind has over its own actions: the freedom of the will.
2.power of choosing one's own actions: to have a strong or a weak will.
3.the act or process of using or asserting one's choice; volition: My hands are obedient to my will.
4.wish or desire: to submit against one's will.
5.purpose or determination, often hearty or stubborn determination; willfulness: to have the will to succeed.
6.the wish or purpose as carried out, or to be carried out: to work one's will.
7.disposition, whether good or ill, toward another.

They are very similar aren't they? But, I think if we look @ #5 "the will to succeed" I think it speaks more to desire or capability, not so much any form of action. So the Will is your desire, capability and focus. Your Intent would be more action oriented, I think. As in "I have the will to succeed and I intend to do so". Your Intent happens after your Will. Once you've made up your mind, you can then move forward with your plan.... if that makes sense. :)


When doing divination do you force the outcome? is it really just your intent?No, I don't force the outcome. The only part of my intent that affects the reading is that I get a truthful answer. I try very hard not to influence the cards and the meanings with my personal stuff. One way in which I try to avoid that is that I ask my querents to only give me the very basics of their question. Then the reading is not clouded by my opinion on the matter, and I can just read what I see in the cards.


are you working with spirits?Not intentionally. For instance, I don't start all of my readings by asking that the spirits (insert other entity here) help me. If there are spirits involved when I do a reading, I'm generally unaware of them, but thankful for any help they've given if they are there. :)


Or channeling?No, I'm not a medium. I don't channel spirits & such in my readings, but I've known some people to do so and I respect the practice.


how do you explain the divination you do :)I usually don't! LOL If asked, I just say that the tarot imagery works with your subconcious. If they want more than that, I refer them to a book or say, "Look, I dunno how or why it works, it just does. People have been asking that question forever and I don't think anyone has ever come up with a satisfactory explanation." Not that I don't have a personal explanation, but a skeptic doesn't really want my answer anyway. LOL

[Hope]

I usually don't! LOL If asked, I just say that the tarot imagery works with your subconcious. If they want more than that, I refer them to a book or say, "Look, I dunno how or why it works, it just does. People have been asking that question forever and I don't think anyone has ever come up with a satisfactory explanation." Not that I don't have a personal explanation, but a skeptic doesn't really want my answer anyway. LOL


laughs nice answers all around but this i loved LOL

love
t

[Windsmith]

They are very similar aren't they? But, I think if we look @ #5 "the will to succeed" I think it speaks more to desire or capability, not so much any form of action. So the Will is your desire, capability and focus. Your Intent would be more action oriented, I think. As in "I have the will to succeed and I intend to do so". Your Intent happens after your Will. Once you've made up your mind, you can then move forward with your plan.... if that makes sense. :)OK, this fascinates me, Lisa, because my view is pretty much the exact opposite of yours. For me, "intent" implies a purely mental process. I can "intend" to do any thousands of things (and I do), but that's just thinking about possibly getting around to it someday. But as soon as I have the will to do something, it's like a fire has been lit under my butt. I can say I intend to do something for a hundred years, but if I say I will do something, odds are it'll be done by the end of the month.


when doing divination do you force the outcome? is it really just your intent?I look at divination as an intuitive, introspective tool, rather than a predictive one. When I do readings, it's not "This will happen," or even "This could happen," but rather, "Try looking at the situation like this." So there's no outcome to be forced, really. I suppose, if the reading goes exactly the way it's supposed to (yeah, right), I could be seen as "forcing" a more beneficial outcome to the querent than they might've had if they'd gone tripping gaily along in life and not known to view their situation from the angle I propose. But I'm not invested in their having any one set of circumstances come to pass.


are you working with spirits?

or channeling?Nope. I'm just me.


how do you explain the divination you do :)Y'know, nobody's ever asked me to explain it. The only people I do readings for are fellow Pagans, who already have their own theories about how divination works, and my mom, who most decidedly does not want to know how I'm doing what I'm doing. But, since you ask so nicely, Hope...

I would explain it as 2 parts psychology and 1 part luck of the draw. I take what I know of the querent and what I know of their situation (even if they tell me nothing about themselves or their situation, I know something about them. The kind of person who would ask a complete stranger for a divinatory reading but not want to tell them anything about what the reading's for is very different from the kind of person who runs to her best friend and spills out every minute detail of her problem and then asks for a reading) and use the cards that happen to come up in the spread as doorways to their situation. Any cards would do in any reading, really; it would lead them to the same place, just via a different route. The key is to get their minds thinking creatively about their situation, to get them thinking about it in a different way than they had before. Sometimes, the only thing you need to see the way out of what looks like a doorless, windowless room is for someone to point out the trapdoor in the ceiling. That's what I'm there for.

[LisaT4P]

OK, this fascinates me, Lisa, because my view is pretty much the exact opposite of yours. Potato / Potato. Shall we call the whole thing off??? :D

I love the last paragraph of your explanation. You are so right about the type of person who comes & doesn't give any info. I also love the trapdoor! It's kinda like this: :excuseme:

[Windsmith]

Potato / Potato. Shall we call the whole thing off??? :DHey, I love that we come at it from opposite directions and still manage to get something done (whatever the mysterious "something" is to which we're referring). And I'll only call the whole thing off if you give me a potato. I'm really freakin' hungry over here.


I love the last paragraph of your explanation. You are so right about the type of person who comes & doesn't give any info. I also love the trapdoor! It's kinda like this: :excuseme:Thanks! Although right now I wish I had a real trapdoor outside the entrance to my cube, as a way toget rid of annoying coworkers!