Witchcraft without Wicca

[darkest_destiny]

I find it really hard to google 'witchcraft' without getting numerous Wiccan pages.
I just want information pertaining to witchcraft and not Wicca. Does anyone know of any websites that are out there?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Darkest Destiny...

The ones I found , while surfing the net , were found
through Goth search engines...lol..._whistle_

I am sure there are others...but try Top Goth 100 Sites...

Of course...use wise discrimination...there is some pretty
wierd **** out there...

But what exactly are you looking for ?

[cesara]

Here's the search on google for witchcraft minus the word 'wicca'. Maybe that will help.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=witchcraft+-wicca&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

[Fiamma]

Since there is no one single practice called "witchcraft", perhaps it would help if you were to refine your search a bit...are you interesting in working with certain things? Or within a specific cultural tradition?

Unfortunately,thanks to the publishing industry and who knows what else, "Wicca" has becomesomewhat synonymous for "pagan" and "witchcraft"

Might also wantto try the "paths" section of the forum for help there and recommendations.


I find it really hard to google 'witchcraft' without getting numerous Wiccan pages.
I just want information pertaining to witchcraft and not Wicca. Does anyone know of any websites that are out there?

[David19]

I'd recommend WhyWiccansSuck.com (http://web.archive.org/web/19960101-20051231re_/http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/), lots of cool info (on both witchcraft and Wicca), the links (http://web.archive.org/web/19960101000000-20051231235959/http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/links.html)section is great, especially Witchcraft From the Ground Up (http://web.archive.org/web/19960101000000-20051231235959/http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/learn0.html).

But, like others have said, it depends what you're looking for, are you looking for witchcraft in the magical sense (without any religious clothing),

Cochrane/Traditional Witchcraft (in which case I have quite a few sites you may be interested in), if so, try this one (http://www.traditionalwitchcraft.net/), The Ancient Keltic Church (http://members.aol.com/akcroebuck/), this article (http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usco&c=trads&id=3356), 1734 tradition, (http://www.cyberwitch.com/wychwood/AsheshHekat/), Joe Wilson's site (http://www.1734-witchcraft.org/),
Wilson's autobiography (http://www.toteg.org/Joseph/Warts.html), Toteg Tribe (http://www.toteg.org/) and also Lolair has a class on different witchcrafts (http://www.mysticwicks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=390), this article (http://www.witchvox.com/lx/lx_traditional.html)has some interesting links too.

Are you looking for more Satanic witchcraft or a more historical/anthropological witchcraft?.

Hope this has helped.

[Greybird]

Witchcraft is a funny word. It has about fifty different definitions, of which one can be Wicca. It is really hard to say where to look without knowing which of the others you're looking for. Traditional folk magic? Other 'witchcraft' religions? Secular magic?

[-Sky-]

Lady of the Earth (http://www.ladyoftheearth.com/listing-page.html) -This is my absolute favourite!It has different sections for about everything: Witchcraft,Spells,Magick and High magick,Wicca,Animals & Shamanism etc Check it out.:)

[DarkDancer]

In Google (and I think most search enginnes) you have a lot of options, 2 of my favorites are + and -. so in your case try googling:

witchcraft -wicca

That should take out all hits that reference wicca, or anything with wicca in it (wiccan, wiccans). if you are looking for something more specific, like say italian witchcraft, try:

witchcraft -wicca +italian

That would make sure that italian at least gets a mention. Also you could do a search like this:

"italian witchcraft" -wicca

that will look for the words italian witchcraft together without the word wicca. That's not perfect, because it does not see things like commas or periods, so sometimes odd results can be returned, but still works pretty well.

Hmmm, sorry for the google lesson... ;)

[Darbla]

The problem with using the '-wicca' when searching is that a lot of sites that you'd want still at least mention the word Wicca. Even if it's just to say they don't discuss Wicca. So you're going to miss a lot if you go that route.

Darbla

[DarkDancer]

True, true, and I don't know of a way to get around that. Unless you are looking for a specific non-wiccan path and do the search for witchcraft +"specific non-wiccan path". Actually in that one I don't think you need the "+" but it wouldn't hurt anything. Also I guess you could do witchcraft "non-wiccan" (hehe, the first response on that in google pulls up a response here at mysticwicks... ;) )

Anyway, these are just options, play with them and see what you get... ;)

[jcldragon]

I just googled White Magic, and then White Magic, Metaphysics.... and was rather disappointed by the results. You might want to look into Golden Dawn authors, like Dion Fortune. Eliphias Levi, Israel Regardie, and Manly P Hall are also excellent resources.

My own approach is not Tradition-specific. I look at the princples underlying the processes, and write from experience. So you'll find quite a bit on my website that is Magick, but certainly doesn't come under any heading that people put a label on. I have good working lines of ongoing communication with the Bee Colony next door, & the Trees in my neighborhood. Just a bit North up the coast is a friend of mine known as Coral Canyon Ridge, so I do talk with Mountains. And some of my best friends are Off-Worlders.

www.jamesclairlewis.com

[Theres]

i say sod the websites and grab a book! Paul Huson's 'Mastering Witchcraft' comes to mind, but there are many others.

however that isn't what most people want, nor is it what was requested. so with that in mind i'll post a few sites which may or may not meet the o/p's requirements.
i make no claim as to the quality of these sites (and i apologise if any of these are redundant with asny already posted), but such as they are...

http://www.shadowdrake.com/HSDwitchFAQ.html

http://www.hedgewytchery.com/glossary.html#W

http://www.traditionalwitch.net/
(this site claims "adult content", so i guess a warning is in order)

http://www.crookedpath.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=3&Forum_Title=The+1734+Tradition&Topic_Title=Robert+Cochrane+Biography[/URL]

http://community.livejournal.com/nonwiccanwitch/profile (http://www.traditionalwitch.net/)

[URL]http://tylwythteg.com/Entrance/craft-of-the-wise-1.html

http://groups.msn.com/silverdragons/yourwebpage9.msnw

http://realmagick.tripod.com/books8.html
(this one looks like it might be worthwhile, but it's still under construction)

and finally here's a review of 'Mastering Witchcraft'...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/discussions/start-thread.html?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0399105263&authorID=A2YAR8B9ME5MCT&store=yourstore&reviewID=R5UT7AFM52V6I&displayType=ReviewDetail

[Adrianus]

Ahem...

[darkest_destiny]

Ok, i mean, witchcraft with no Wiccan influences. Does that help? or am I just sounding redundant? lol...
Everyone's input is really helping though. Thanks!

[Ben Gruagach]

Another author to look for is Andrew Chumbley. He died a few years ago but there are others out there writing books who were influenced by Chumbley. He called his system "Sabbatic Witchcraft."

You'll also find lots of witchcraft material that is not influenced by Wicca in any way if you look at old books that came out prior to 1954 when Gerald Gardner's "Witchcraft Today" came out and triggered the whole Wiccan movement. There are a lot of reprints of this sort of material available through http://www.kessinger.net/

[Lauren Michele]

I went to Amazon.com to look at a few books there, and perhaps I am wrong, but the ones i noticed looked a bit dark for me. I was interested myself in just witchcraft without wicca. Are they satanic in nature only? Or perhaps the ones i looked at? Perhaps i just looked at few of the wrong ones.

[Ben Gruagach]

I went to Amazon.com to look at a few books there, and perhaps I am wrong, but the ones i noticed looked a bit dark for me. I was interested myself in just witchcraft without wicca. Are they satanic in nature only? Or perhaps the ones i looked at? Perhaps i just looked at few of the wrong ones.

In the non-Wiccan witchcraft, you'll find that quite a few of the books available do tend towards a darker feel. Robert Cochrane's teachings, and the people who were inspired by him, tend toward s emphasizing mythology such as that related to Tubal Cain (basically the Cain figure from the Christian bible but with a definitely Pagan emphasis.)

Another author who you might find more along the lines of what you're looking for is Marian Green. She does not consider herself to be Wiccan (although I personally think there is plenty of Wiccan influence in her books), and doesn't push the darker side like some Cochrane-inspired ones do.

The darker emphasis is not surprising though as Gardner's Wicca was where the major push came from that introduced an overwhelmingly positive form of witchcraft. Before Gardner, the dominant attitude regarding witchcraft was that it was very dark. Charles Leland's "Aradia: The Gospel of the Witches" is a good example of that.

[Lauren Michele]

In the non-Wiccan witchcraft, you'll find that quite a few of the books available do tend towards a darker feel. Robert Cochrane's teachings, and the people who were inspired by him, tend toward s emphasizing mythology such as that related to Tubal Cain (basically the Cain figure from the Christian bible but with a definitely Pagan emphasis.)

Another author who you might find more along the lines of what you're looking for is Marian Green. She does not consider herself to be Wiccan (although I personally think there is plenty of Wiccan influence in her books), and doesn't push the darker side like some Cochrane-inspired ones do.

The darker emphasis is not surprising though as Gardner's Wicca was where the major push came from that introduced an overwhelmingly positive form of witchcraft. Before Gardner, the dominant attitude regarding witchcraft was that it was very dark. Charles Leland's "Aradia: The Gospel of the Witches" is a good example of that.


Thank you so much for your reply. I will look into Marian Green. :wave: