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Fr.Vega Morn
June 14th, 2008, 07:35 PM
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Here's the place to talk about Lon Duquette's latest offering on the Enochian system.

Go!


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sidhe
June 15th, 2008, 06:05 AM
93,

Just as a slight aside - could someone explain the point of Enochian magick to me? I understand that it has a purpose, I just have yet to figure out why I would want to use it.

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sidhe

Fr.Vega Morn
June 16th, 2008, 01:15 PM
93,

Just as a slight aside - could someone explain the point of Enochian magick to me? I understand that it has a purpose, I just have yet to figure out why I would want to use it.

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sidhe

93,

So you want a reason other than 'because all the cool kids are doing it?' ; )

Ok first off, I will talk a bit about Lon's new book, hereafter referred to as EVM because I am lazy.

If anyone has read a previous book called 'The Enochian World Of Aleister Crowley' (Duquette/Hyatt - published by New Falcon), they may wonder if EVM is a new book or whether it's just a rehash. They will be relieved to learn that it is, indeed an entirely new book.

The older 'Enochian World' book was pretty much Crowley's Liber Chanokh with some added commentaries, instructions and suggestions for using sex to alter consciousness as a preliminary to scrying.

EVM on the other hand, has come as the result of LMD's researches into the original source materials of John Dee & Edward Kelly. What Lon points out (as have other occult authors) was that when the Golden Dawn came along (and later on, Crowley), they raided the then, known sources about Enochian magic and most importantly, took a great deal of liberties with it.

Now, this has not been completely a bad thing. As Lon has pointed out in the book and at his seminars is that the GD/Crowley application of the Enochian materials works (and I quote) 'straight out of the box'. People have been using such methods for decades and have coped just fine.

However, Lon found that Mathers, Crowley and others ignored huge tracts of material in trying to force fit the whole enterprise into a 5 element framework as favoured by the Golden Dawn. The use of various tools such as 'sigillum dei aemeth', the Solomonic ring, the holy table etc were all deleted from the GD versions. What they kept were the various elemental 'watchtower' tablets and the call of the 30 'aires' or 'aethyrs'.

Lon's hypothesis in EVM is that the deleted materials are interesting, usable and provide detail on Dee & Kelly's reception of the Enochian system. He views this reception in a series of stages as being initiations that Dee & Kelly needed to undergo before they were delivered the Enochian motherlode towards the end of what is the most prolonged and minutely detailed magical operation known to the Western Hermetic Tradition.

The author admits that owing to the loss & destruction of many of Dee's papers, that any Enochian system devised by anyone, will of necessity be incomplete and contain various degrees of speculation. I feel that Lon tries to keep the amount of speculation and gap filling to a minimum and when the need arises, he endeavours to limit how 'wacky' his interpolations are. Unlike say, Donald Tyson's 'Enochian Magick For Beginners' that tells you, in no uncertain terms, that if you follow his speculative working, you will trigger the Biblical Apocalypse. No, srsly.

(As an aside, Mr Tyson did a phenomenal job on editing and annotating Agrippa's Three Books Of Occult Philosophy', but his Enochian book is drier than tinder, duller than ditch water and far too preoccupied with trying to spook people with DOOM and Christian mythology. Just because Dee believed in it, doesn't mean we have to....but I digress.)

Anyways, EVM is Lon's new interpretation of the Enochian materials, creating a system that is not a rehash of either GD or Crowley.

As for why, that's a whole other kettle of fish. Because I'm busy with other things in life, my experimentation with the Enochian system(s) has been rather limited. However, if we look at the '30 Aethyrs' (complete with its vowel-o-centric archaic spelling), what you have is a pretty handy tool for self-analysis and introspection.

In both Enochian books, Lon makes the case that the progressive scrying of the 30 levels provides one with an indicator of their own level of initiation. Starting at 30 and working inwards as if peeling through the layers of an enormous glass onion, the scryer finds that, at some stage, the visions become less clear, less coherent and less useful. Provided that the person has been keeping a good record, then the answers needed to pass through the next stage is frequently contained within the accounts of prior sessions.

What's handy about this is that the material of your inner world is just that - your own. It is not subject to other authority nor is it contrived in the way that many 'pathworkings' found in other systems. You scry, you record, you analyze - lather, rinse repeat until you move bit by bit through the Enochian universe, which is merely a convenient model to explore the inside of your head. Each new level represents and new bandwidth within your own consciousness. (And as the man himself says: It's all inside your head...you just don't appreciate how big the inside of your head actually is.)

And there you have it. I'm off to re-heat & consume some left-overs.

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BlackLili
June 16th, 2008, 02:45 PM
93!

You know, I have been skeptical of Enochian magic ever since attempting to slog through Don Tyson's "Beginner's" tome. It just struck me as incredibly credulous (I'm in agreement with you that just because Dee believed certain theological precepts doesn't mean they're a necessity.)

Your explanation on your own might just get me to pick up EVM. It sounds far more interesting and useful.

GEBS
June 16th, 2008, 02:57 PM
still not done...

I love your review.

I hope to finish the book this weekend.

Garm
June 16th, 2008, 05:10 PM
However, Lon found that Mathers, Crowley and others ignored huge tracts of material in trying to force fit the whole enterprise into a 5 element framework as favoured by the Golden Dawn. The use of various tools such as 'sigillum dei aemeth', the Solomonic ring, the holy table etc were all deleted from the GD versions. What they kept were the various elemental 'watchtower' tablets and the call of the 30 'aires' or 'aethyrs'.

Lon's hypothesis in EVM is that the deleted materials are interesting, usable and provide detail on Dee & Kelly's reception of the Enochian system.

Anyways, EVM is Lon's new interpretation of the Enochian materials, creating a system that is not a rehash of either GD or Crowley.


Not a rehash of GD or Crowley but it certainly sounds like a rehash of the The Heptarchia Mystica of John Dee (Studies in Hermetic Tradition) though may be with more of a theoretical underlay

The raw material can be found here

http://www.esotericarchives.com/dee/hm.htm

Iv'e messed about with it a bit, it's a gentle magic

For instance when I was calling upon Bnaspen who


Who hast sayd to me, That by the, I shall cast out the powre of all wicked spirits: And that by the I shall or may know the doings, and practises of euyll men; and more than may be spoken or uttred to man. Therfore, In the Name &c.

I was living in a shared warehouse and the guy in the room next to me had just received a call from a potential employer, a movie company looking to cast extras. He had already been woken up by another roommate with the message but he was already starting to fall back to sleep. This was a common problem with him. My working that morning was entirely coincidental and was directed to other goals. As soon as I finished the powre of the wicked spirit of procrastination was cast out, he jumped out of bed got on the phone and was eventually able to make some more than due rent money.

Totally unremarkable but this story best shows the type of experience I had with this system because there was a sort of a pattern. The results were quick, quirky but rather unspectacular

Fr.Vega Morn
June 25th, 2008, 12:36 PM
Iv'e messed about with it a bit, it's a gentle magic



93,

Interesting. As much as I admire Israel Regardie and his works, his fear of Enochian Magic seems rather odd and perhaps, a touch hysterical.

At one of the workshops I attended, Lon Duquette said that in his 30 odd years of experience, he considered it to be a very 'clean' system and had never had any reason to think, like Regardie that it was a big 'no-no'.


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PS GEBS - Did you get to the end of EVM yet?

Garm
June 26th, 2008, 03:49 AM
93,

Interesting. As much as I admire Israel Regardie and his works, his fear of Enochian Magic seems rather odd and perhaps, a touch hysterical.

At one of the workshops I attended, Lon Duquette said that in his 30 odd years of experience, he considered it to be a very 'clean' system and had never had any reason to think, like Regardie that it was a big 'no-no'.



If that is how Regardie described it I must of echoed him subconsciously. But gentle is a comparative term and when contrasting the results from calling the Heptarchial spirits with what I obtained from experiments with runes, sigils or Liber AL [used in a mathematically based conjunction with runes] it really does stand out as being, well, gentle.

While I did have his warnings about the Enochian system in mind I would not accept them as being authoritative without trying it out on my own. I got enough disturbing synchronicity to eventually drop it. I was just trying to learn to recite the Keys from memory when things got too hectic, I nearly came to blows with people about three times in a period of two days. If that can be taken as a preliminary discretion seemed to be the better part of valor. But I should point out there was a lot of latent and actual violence in my social environment though for the most part I could avoid it by keeping my head down. It really is a wonder that no one in my peer group was murdered although it was seriously tried, the one handicap being my chums confining themselves to fists, boots and the occasional blunt instrument.

I would imagine that Duquette worked in a very different type of environment.

Wether it was the power of suggestion combined with coincidence or just the tendency of an influx of spiritual power to activate what was already latent it seemed to me Regardies warnings actually were sound.

I feel that at this point in my life I could handle the system safely but the question remains if I could get any further using it than I already have by other means.

The only thing that tempts me in that direction is the surprising amount of that "Ol sonuf vaorasagi goho iad balata" stuff that that has remained in my head after all these years.

GEBS
June 30th, 2008, 12:18 PM
PS GEBS - Did you get to the end of EVM yet?

Unfortunately not. It's sitting right next to me waiting for me.

I took it on vacation with me but only got to pick it up once. I'm hoping to take it out into the yard today and read it while I sit on one of the benches. I've got a perfect reading spot out there if I can get the kids occupied for a while.

David19
June 30th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Unfortunately not. It's sitting right next to me waiting for me.

I took it on vacation with me but only got to pick it up once. I'm hoping to take it out into the yard today and read it while I sit on one of the benches. I've got a perfect reading spot out there if I can get the kids occupied for a while.

Then, I hope you get some good reading time today :).

sidhe
March 2nd, 2009, 07:04 AM
Just did one of my periodic book orders. This is in the queue, along with Newcomb's "21st Century Mage".

...if I ever become the acquisitions person for non-fiction at a library, their religion section is going to get really weird really fast. :D

Pernelle
March 5th, 2009, 08:55 PM
All fascinating stuff.

Would this book be one for me, one wonders? Well, I guess there's only 1 way to find out...

sidhe
May 11th, 2009, 07:55 AM
Random time for promoting an excellent band:

Alchemist Corpse Rite's new album, A True and Faithful Relation, is inspired by Enochian workings. Also, it will rock your socks severely. ;)

Infinite Grey
May 11th, 2009, 08:42 AM
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