Twin Souls

[BearDancing]

Is anyone interested in the concept of Twin Souls/Twin Flame

Twin souls, also called Twin Flames or Twin Rays, are the other half of your soul. This is based on the belief that we are all parts of the Divine Being, God, All That Is, Source, Spirit, Creator. The Divine Being, in order to experience Its Self, divided into many souls, each in turn divided into many others and many others. The final splitting of the many neutrally gendered souls created male and female halves of a whole, the Twin Soul.


t is said that one does not meet their Twin Soul or Twin Flame until they have learned many lessons of love, loss and forgiveness through close Soul Mate relationships, that the heart is made resilient and strong through pain and loss, and must be so to face the intensity of being with the other half of their soul.

Many people who have met their Twin Soul had experienced a "Dark Night of the Soul", or a major spiritual transformation just prior to meeting, or upon meeting this soul. It's almost as if you need to be "emptied out" emotionally, spiritually and mentally as a test of your spirit. Meeting your "other half" can be a magical, maddening experience that opens your perceptions. Some experience an opening of their psychic awareness as their heart expands in this unbounded and unconditional love. The fact is, your life will not be the same, and whether you perceive this as a gift or a curse is the challenge of your soul's evolution. The Twin Soul connection is always a triad involving the Divine Spirit/All That Is, two people connected by soul, connected to God.

Before one can physically unite with their Twin Soul, one must do the conscious work of healing and becoming whole within their self. Twin Soul love cannot exist in a codependent, ego-based relationship, or from a perceived "need" that the other person will make you whole. Both must often face separations while they strengthen their own connection to Spirit and find their strength and purpose on their own.

Each half will find balance in their male/female, yin/yang before union. When both halves of the Soul become strong pillars on their own, have healed and resolved karmic ties in the present life, then they can unite to fulfill their Divine purpose, but the challenges do not end. There is an intensity that can be frightening when dealing with your mirror, your weaknesses and strengths magnified, unresolved issues and wounds painfully open to push you to further healing, or cause ego to run from the relationship in fear. It's important for Twin Souls to find their greater purpose, whether it's a task they will accomplish together, or alone, there will be work to be done.

Some Twin Souls do not unite physically here on Earth, and the relationship may last a lifetime on the spiritual level alone, while one or both may be living physically with another soul in karmic agreement. Some Twin Souls other halves are not even on the Earth plane at the same time and will offer guidance and comfort from beyond as a "guardian angel".


Food for thought...I find this very interesting....different than a Soul Mate...

[Xentor]

That's an interesting concept.

My beliefs too have it, that the Creator split themselves (and later on, completely sacrificed themselves) in order to experience, which at some point resulted in our existence (more or less by coincidence, according to my path).

We believe that we exist in order to experience what the Creator and perhaps the local deities cannot experience themselves... which might include achieving spiritual wholeness, and does not exclude finding soul mates and / or twin souls.

We don't see that as an end goal, but as a good starting point to continue learning and experiencing. I can imagine finding a compatible spouse as one step towards achieving wholeness, and I can imagine that a relationship wouldn't be balanced unless both are able to treat each other equally, which might suggest that both their mental states need to be well developed.

On the downside, I can also imagine the idea of Twin Souls being forged upon a glorified dualism, in which a single being can never be complete unless they find their counterpart, much like a Christian can never find forgiveness unless they accept having sinned. And I don't like such a dualism.

[BearDancing]

I feel U must be fortunate to have a partner that is on a spiritual path...learning and growing/spiritually with U, must be interesting.....Are you mirrors for each other? which could have the potential for max growth....hopefully in joy and not so much pain...I have never had a partner that was spiritual/or even interested in different paths for reaching higher levels of conciousness... so it intrigues me....

I have heard of soul mates along the way yet have never been interested in any way....Yet just recently I met a person on line... quite by accident....and found the interaction different than any I have experinced before...interestingly both of us in a very short period of time were revealing very intimate spiritual experiences....then we found out we are only 4 hrs away from each other...then again by accident (if there is such a thing as an accident....not) I learned of twins souls.....

If it is not too personal do U and your partner experience exchanges of energies when U are close? Have U ever expereinced an exchange of energies from a distance? I am not talking just a little energy flow here or there I mean megga exchange that is almost orgasmic....do U know what a scared marriage is? Have U and your partner work with chakras? (not being rude some people are not interested in chakras)

Thanx for your time Xentor

[1111]

Oh, I like this thread. :uhhuhuh:

[BearDancing]

I can also imagine the idea of Twin Souls being forged upon a glorified dualism, in which a single being can never be complete unless they find their counterpart,


My impression was that the individual would have a highly developed male and female energies on their own...as would the Twin Soul.....then through sharing they are just more explosive together...I too.... personally do not beleive that a individual must find their counterpart/Twin Soul to be Whole...Have U experienced information on the age of Aquarius....I find it very interesting...that in this age (next 2000 yrs) spiritual growth will be accellerated (sp) that the raising of our levels of conciousness as Many....has the potential to be part of the healing of Mother Earth and much much more....I do not want to get into it...just sharing what feels right for me in this moment....but I guess if U are gentle I might learn something...

[Solya]

Mmm, I find that the literature on twin flames often just sticks with the "two halves of a whole"-philosophy and does not seek to explain the phenomenon itself. I personally believe that I have found a soul I could very well call my twin flame, but we are not prepared to be together at this point in time. The relationship we do have is very deep and often confrontational in nature. He confronts me with a mirror image of myself all the time... and I do the same with him. It can be intense and frightening, but also magnificent and wonderful. There's a duality present in the way in which we deal with one another that I have never found in any other person or relationship.

Right now we are both going through some pretty intense healing processes. We are both growing into the same direction and I know our paths will one day intertwine with one another in a more permanent way. We are finding our strengths and inner purpose on our own right now... with the occasional help from his mother and my soulsisters... and we live a life of separation and togetherness where our relationship is concerned.

The exchanges of energies between us are huge. Because his mother is my current boss, he sometimes drops by for a visit at work. I am usually in other rooms or even upstairs at that point, but have been known to tell people that he had just entered the building when there was no way in which I could have known this. He, in turn, seeks me out when he is struggling with something and visits me energetically for comfort in hard times. We share each other's emotions and sometimes even each other's thoughts. He can be miles away from me and I will still always know how he's doing and what's going on with him. It frequently blows me off my feet, but it's a very rewarding experience... I love it, even though we are not always totally in a healthy relationship with one another...

[thought_on_a_wind]

Nice thread, and well thought over :D,

My beliefs agree with yours to a certain fashion... insert Higher-Self in the place of a deity. Other than that, there is a difference in context... I believe in everything and nothing, so where sometimes there is a source similar to an "allsource" it's not there all the time... as to become the nothingness... so too is the link of twin (if one occurs), it's there but it's not... something to contemplate, but nothing to get excited about, unless you've found yours I suppose.

I don't expect what I just said to make any sense, except to me... as I've resigned to the insanity... and flow so carelessly upon its wings...

[Xentor]

If it is not too personal do U and your partner experience exchanges of energies when U are close? Have U ever expereinced an exchange of energies from a distance? I am not talking just a little energy flow here or there I mean megga exchange that is almost orgasmic....do U know what a scared marriage is? Have U and your partner work with chakras? (not being rude some people are not interested in chakras)

Our relationship began long-distance: all we had was exchange of voice, visual, and energy. Both of us being empaths and energy workers (including but not limited to chakra work), and following a similar religious path made that quite the tittilating experience. Now we can physically touch as well, and we tend to get downright tantric.

[BearDancing]

Xenator...do U know what a sacred marriage is??? or anyone else??? Xenator that is great for U
and your partner....tantric is pretty close to the BEST...if not

I have googled sacred marriage and not much explanation...just different references to it...

I have also googled cherckerism...very little information...do U know a good reference I could look at?

Thanx

[BearDancing]

thought -on- a -wind...........I agree.....not so much to get excited about......interesting concept

[thought_on_a_wind]

thought -on- a -wind...........I agree.....not so much to get excited about......interesting concept
'tanks :D

In regards to your inquiry about checkerism, check the link at the bottom of Xentor's signature entitled "The Dialogues of Checkerism" it'll answer your q's. ;)

[BearDancing]

thanx for sharing that web site....when i googled checkerism I was brought to that site...that information is very limited....I wonder who the "Wise One" is....pretty basic ?'s and very basic answers. I will keep searching....any idea how long people have been following this path...is it an offshoot of many different paths....sounds almost like " a few chose their own truth from many others and named it checkerism" I will search more...

[Xentor]

The stuff on that site is basic by design. It's meant as a teaching tool. More in-depth material will be added once it's available.

People have been following this path for at least a quarter century. To my knowledge, my wife and I are two of the very few who follow it openly. So feel free to ask. (Though I guess it'd have to be a different thread.)

[JenniferK]

I find this thread very interesting and would just like to say that in my heart of hearts I believe my husband to be my true Twin Soul, and I know he feels the same as he has said it many times over. :)


Jennifer Adele K

[Garm]

Twin souls = wishful thinking

There are people you can be so psychically attuned to that the sense of ego boundaries becomes blurred


Mmm, I find that the literature on twin flames often just sticks with the "two halves of a whole"-philosophy and does not seek to explain the phenomenon itself. I personally believe that I have found a soul I could very well call my twin flame, but we are not prepared to be together at this point in time. .......even though we are not always totally in a healthy relationship with one another...

Sounds familiar

Time and distance made the two halves concept look rather overblown as I look back on a similar episode in my own life

It was educational to be sure but I would not want to go through it again

[therumpypumpyfaery]

I don't know how much I belive in twin souls type concepts (which relate back to the soulmate concept)

I used to not believe in that type of situation at all, now, I'm not so sure. My husband is not only someone I am very close to, and who I I am very in tune with, but he seems to complement me in almost everyway.

I'm very spiritual, he's very scientific.

He's very sound oriented, and I'm very word oriented.

He's Math, I'm Writing.

The list goes on and on.

Does that mean we're soul mates, twin souls etc etc? I don't know.

I think...probably not. We're just two people who became best friends and fell very much in love, and the reasons we mesh together and compliment each other so well are the reasons we fell in love.

There is a need to try to explain it when you feel something very strong. Especially when you're in love as emotions run high. I mean I admit I've called the Husband my soul mate because usual words don't seem to strong enough to explain how I feel.

But the truth of it is we're people, and some people work better together then others, and it has very little to do with twin souls and stuff.

And that's a long explanation.

[brymble]

I'm going to be the wet blanket and comment that in my experience, much of the hype about "soul mates" or "twin flames" has more to do with spiritual codepencence than the Sacred Marriage.

Union is only possible in mutual wholeness. If two people are not whole, they're not close, they're blurry.

[Darkest Eve]

Is anyone interested in the concept of Twin Souls/Twin Flame

Twin souls, also called Twin Flames or Twin Rays, are the other half of your soul. This is based on the belief that we are all parts of the Divine Being, God, All That Is, Source, Spirit, Creator. The Divine Being, in order to experience Its Self, divided into many souls, each in turn divided into many others and many others. The final splitting of the many neutrally gendered souls created male and female halves of a whole, the Twin Soul.


t is said that one does not meet their Twin Soul or Twin Flame until they have learned many lessons of love, loss and forgiveness through close Soul Mate relationships, that the heart is made resilient and strong through pain and loss, and must be so to face the intensity of being with the other half of their soul.

Many people who have met their Twin Soul had experienced a "Dark Night of the Soul", or a major spiritual transformation just prior to meeting, or upon meeting this soul. It's almost as if you need to be "emptied out" emotionally, spiritually and mentally as a test of your spirit. Meeting your "other half" can be a magical, maddening experience that opens your perceptions. Some experience an opening of their psychic awareness as their heart expands in this unbounded and unconditional love. The fact is, your life will not be the same, and whether you perceive this as a gift or a curse is the challenge of your soul's evolution. The Twin Soul connection is always a triad involving the Divine Spirit/All That Is, two people connected by soul, connected to God.

Before one can physically unite with their Twin Soul, one must do the conscious work of healing and becoming whole within their self. Twin Soul love cannot exist in a codependent, ego-based relationship, or from a perceived "need" that the other person will make you whole. Both must often face separations while they strengthen their own connection to Spirit and find their strength and purpose on their own.

Each half will find balance in their male/female, yin/yang before union. When both halves of the Soul become strong pillars on their own, have healed and resolved karmic ties in the present life, then they can unite to fulfill their Divine purpose, but the challenges do not end. There is an intensity that can be frightening when dealing with your mirror, your weaknesses and strengths magnified, unresolved issues and wounds painfully open to push you to further healing, or cause ego to run from the relationship in fear. It's important for Twin Souls to find their greater purpose, whether it's a task they will accomplish together, or alone, there will be work to be done.

Some Twin Souls do not unite physically here on Earth, and the relationship may last a lifetime on the spiritual level alone, while one or both may be living physically with another soul in karmic agreement. Some Twin Souls other halves are not even on the Earth plane at the same time and will offer guidance and comfort from beyond as a "guardian angel".


Food for thought...I find this very interesting....different than a Soul Mate...

That is awesome. I have more thoughts, but I have to get them a little more coherent before I post anything really long. :D

[Graelwyn]

It has been an interest of mine for years now and I have read just about everything on the net that there is about it. I am still not sure, as there are so many different concepts floating about on what a twin soul/twin flame is exactly. I do know, however, that this is the sort of relationship that a lot of the classic romances are based on...for example, Cathy and Heathcliff in 'Wuthering Heights'...Jane and Rochester in Jane Eyre, Catherine and Vincent in the 80s Tv series 'Beauty and the beast'. These all depict a connection that goes well beyond anything physical, and yes, I do believe such a connection can exist, but I am not sure I believe in there being another person who is the other half of us. I think we are complete in ourselves. Also, one has to ask, would we even wish to be with someone else by the time we had learnt all lessons and evolved to that degree or maybe we would find that the twin flame, so to speak, existed within us all along and was just another facet of our souls?

But I do believe there might exist someone who is so like us, that it is like looking in a mirror. And also that there is someone so opposite to us, that they compliment us perfectly. And I believe that strong connections can be forged in any loving relationship, that can surpass physical limitations.

[CzechWoods]

i believe that a soul needs no twin anything to experience wholeness

but thqan, i am different in many ways.

[BearDancing]

i believe that a soul needs no twin anything to experience wholeness

but thqan, i am different in many ways.

I do not think a soul needs a twin to be whole either.....I am wondering if it could possibly be a higher level of conciousness *when two whole souls are brought together...if they were split in the first place*....being whole in ones self is one thing...being complimented by another whole soul is also different...more like two wholes coming together rather than a half and a half...I am interested in more in the level of conciousness with the two coming together than a two/or more person relationship

my impression to most of the answers to this thread is people may be focusing on the person/person relationshiip where as I am wondering if the soul/soul relationship indeed means something different...

triad involving the Divine Spirit/All That Is, two people connected by soul, connected to God.

Before one can physically unite with their Twin Soul, one must do the conscious work of healing and becoming whole within their self. Twin Soul love cannot exist in a codependent, ego-based relationship, or from a perceived "need" that the other person will make you whole

[parallax]

I've never heard the terms Twin Soul or Twin Flame before, although I am familiar with the term soulmates as well as the origin of love set forth through Plato's Symposium.
You state much of your information as fact so I'm wondering where it's coming from? Is it research or UPG? Why would souls need to do these certain things before being able to reunite and why would the accomplishment of those tasks cause the souls to suddenly meet?
I don't believe in the soul as a ... personal thing, I guess. This is mostly UPG. More that who we are, as people with personalities in this lifetime is a singular life. I do believe that we have a sort of soul but it's more uhm. More of a primal force, I guess. And when we die it returns to a stream of force or energy and it doesn't carry a great deal of each lifetime with it. So the idea of souls that are meant to be together over lifetimes doesn't jive well with me.
I'm also more of a pluralist and don't see why the limit would be two. Could we not meet more people that fulfill this function? That fulfill us, challenge us and love us? Why just two?

[BearDancing]

I am not stating facts...just curious...I do not kknow what a lot of your short forms are uhm...UPG.... I never even thought of more than two....I am sure that would be an intersting option or direction

[Myrr]

I believe there is only one soul and we all share it. But if there are soul mates I know who mine is and I'm going to get to see her again really soon after being apart for many years. I can't wait.

[BearDancing]

I have thought about one soul too....glad you are getting together...wishing you soul love

[Am3thyst3R4yn3]

this could very well explain the wreck i have called a love life. through it all i have learned so much about the terms 'unconditional' and 'forgiveness'. and the codependance issues i have had have caused some major problems but i am working on those. thanks for the thread! Lots of food for thought!

[parallax]

I am not stating facts...just curious...I do not kknow what a lot of your short forms are uhm...UPG.... I never even thought of more than two....I am sure that would be an intersting option or direction


UPG - Unsubstantiated Personal Gnosis. So basically conclusions you've come to through your own personal practice and searching that may or may not have any root in existing research, history, lore, tradition etc. Which is what it sounds like is where your thoughts are coming form. I'm just curious as to whether or not some of this is stuff you've thought on and come up with yourself (there's nothing wrong with that at all) or if there was more research or something behind it. They way you worded it made me think there was a bit of theory behind it so I guess I'm trying to find out more about that theory. It's interesting stuff to think on.

[BearDancing]

I have gone on the net and googled and looked around...never kept any of the links...when a read a part that I like I cut and paste into file so I can go back and read it all again....actually I am reading The Future of Love by Daphne Rose Kingma....is about changing from personality ---to soul-driven relationships...am finding it interesting..
interesting this book came to me after I wrote this post...a gift from the Universe I would say...:uhhuhuh:

I thought parallax was the misalignment of the optical and mechanical axis in an optical system...ei binoculars

[Clair de la Lune]

I have always thought that each of us is part of a collective consciousness (God, The Universe, or whatever you want to call it), but I have no facts to back it up.

I find that in my beliefs based on my life that you can't be co-dependent and have anything work out. The same with having a victim mentality, or be an abusive person either. Everything must be equal and for this it is possible to have your soul mate(s) and have it work out I suppose, after you yourself are a whole person inside who knows how to live, learn, and let go of 'emotional baggage' and move on. You must love yourself and take care of yourself before you can have enough to give to someone else, in my opinion.:smile:

[Phoenix Blue]

Union is only possible in mutual wholeness. If two people are not whole, they're not close, they're blurry.
I'm going to add water to your blanket, Brymble. :) I don't think people find their "twin souls," so to speak, unless they're whole people already. And I'd much rather feel that my mate wants me rather than needs me, if that makes any sense.

[BearDancing]

Nice thread, and well thought over :D,

My beliefs agree with yours to a certain fashion... insert Higher-Self in the place of a deity. Other than that, there is a difference in context... I believe in everything and nothing, so where sometimes there is a source similar to an "allsource" it's not there all the time... as to become the nothingness... so too is the link of twin (if one occurs), it's there but it's not... something to contemplate, but nothing to get excited about, unless you've found yours I suppose.

I don't expect what I just said to make any sense, except to me... as I've resigned to the insanity... and flow so carelessly upon its wings...

I am not sure what you mean when you say...we are all yet nothing at the same time...would you help me with this one...interested

[BearDancing]

this could very well explain the wreck i have called a love life. through it all i have learned so much about the terms 'unconditional' and 'forgiveness'. and the codependance issues i have had have caused some major problems but i am working on those. thanks for the thread! Lots of food for thought!

You call your love life a wreck...from your second statement it is not a wreck at all....as long as we learn valuable lessons from each relationship we are on a path to higher conciousness...and for me raising our level of consiousness is what we are all about... I beleive...each lesson we learn gives us the capacity to love in a deeper way experience love on a higher level...even if there are struggles there are lessons...glad you are learning from what you call "wreck":uhhuhuh:

[BearDancing]

I have always thought that each of us is part of a collective consciousness (God, The Universe, or whatever you want to call it), but I have no facts to back it up.

I find that in my beliefs based on my life that you can't be co-dependent and have anything work out. The same with having a victim mentality, or be an abusive person either. Everything must be equal and for this it is possible to have your soul mate(s) and have it work out I suppose, after you yourself are a whole person inside who knows how to live, learn, and let go of 'emotional baggage' and move on. You must love yourself and take care of yourself before you can have enough to give to someone else, in my opinion.:smile:

Your post brings up something for me...being whole before having "it work out" in regards to healing...when I was called to healing I had a hard time believing that I should be a healer as I have issues to learn and do not consider myself "whole" ....after time the answer from spirit was I do not have to be whole to share my love and openness...it is to share your gifts at any point in your life...
another possible post is "What equals the word "Whole" ... spiritually speaking...we all use the word so what does it mean to each of us" food for thought

[Anteros]

I don't know, it sounds like the same new age nonsense that gave rise to the concept of soul mates, which I think is a very dangerous idea. People need to accept themselves as whole and expect someone to walk into their lives and be their other half and complete them, because if that doesn't happen (and most likely it won't) you'll have the mentality that you are somehow incomplete.

[BearDancing]

I don't know, it sounds like the same new age nonsense that gave rise to the concept of soul mates, which I think is a very dangerous idea. People need to accept themselves as whole and expect someone to walk into their lives and be their other half and complete them, because if that doesn't happen (and most likely it won't) you'll have the mentality that you are somehow incomplete.

with your indepth wisdom what is a "soul mate" and what is a "twin soul"...do you even know what you are calling nonsense.....I do not see where the danger is....if you are on a spiritual path...who the hell sits around waiting for a soul mate or twin soul to make them whole....if a person does they are "NOT" on a spiritual path at all...they are just not taking any responsibilty for themselves

[skilly-nilly]

Twin souls are the other half of your soul... The final splitting of the many neutrally gendered souls created male and female halves of a whole, the Twin Soul.

There is an intensity that can be frightening when dealing with your mirror, your weaknesses and strengths magnified, unresolved issues and wounds painfully open to push you to further healing, or cause ego to run from the relationship in fear. It's important for Twin Souls to find their greater purpose, whether it's a task they will accomplish together, or alone, there will be work to be done.

Food for thought...I find this very interesting....different than a Soul Mate...


This sounds to me like a romanization of Jung. He thought that everyone is essentially both sexes (not genetically but as types or personality expressions) mostly expressing one but also embodying the opposite sex-- an anima and an animus.
http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/anima.htmlvvvvv

Interestingly, this is also biological-- everyone starts out as the same undifferentiated fetus. Chemical changes have to be triggered to 'flip' the fetus into male. So all males have an unexpressed female self and all females have a potential male self.

So Jung would say (and I also believe) that one is 'complete' when you are fully integrated-- you have reconciled your outward and your shadow self, your masculine and feminine personas.

I think that this is a much more positive goal--to become complete in yourself-- rathet than striving to become complete in love.

[RainInanna]

different than a Soul Mate...

I can tell you from personal experience, I think I just found my "twin soul", as you say, although I call him "soul mate". I think I have found a few soul mates in life. I feel some of them helped me evolve in ways I couldn't have in other ways, as if we came together in this life to exchange certain experiences, even if it wasn't a love relationship or permanent. Carolyn Myss wrote about this in Sacred Contracts to some degree, and other authors have touched on it a bit. It is a sacred connection, beyond this life.

I don't think the eternal, infinite space from which that relationship comes can be put in human words and terms. I don't think most people have it at all. And I don't think those that do often recognize it, because they aren't open to spirituality and willing to sense the Sacred lines.

The closest thing most people have to that is a relationship with a lover, because that kind of emotional and spiritual intimacy is often only partially experienced with a physical lover.

I agree with you but I don't think most people will understand you. They aren't able to, because they haven't experienced it. If they have, like perhaps Xentor has up there, they don't need to explain it.

You'll notice in your post you mentioned people find their twin soul AFTER they have become whole unto themselves, and notice how many people are still replying to say they disagree with you because people need to be whole alone, as if they can't see the words you said at all? It's like people can't see the concept. It's one of those things that has to be experienced to be understood.

Ah well. C'est la vie.

[BearDancing]

This sounds to me like a romanization of Jung. He thought that everyone is essentially both sexes (not genetically but as types or personality expressions) mostly expressing one but also embodying the opposite sex-- an anima and an animus.
http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/anima.htmlvvvvv

Interestingly, this is also biological-- everyone starts out as the same undifferentiated fetus. Chemical changes have to be triggered to 'flip' the fetus into male. So all males have an unexpressed female self and all females have a potential male self.

So Jung would say (and I also believe) that one is 'complete' when you are fully integrated-- you have reconciled your outward and your shadow self, your masculine and feminine personas.

I think that this is a much more positive goal--to become complete in yourself-- rathet than striving to become complete in love.

Jungs book on anima and animus is very hard to read and understand...I am in the process and by the depth of this book I think I will be reading it a few times....interesting concept with much depth....

[BearDancing]

I can tell you from personal experience, I think I just found my "twin soul", as you say, although I call him "soul mate". I think I have found a few soul mates in life. I feel some of them helped me evolve in ways I couldn't have in other ways, as if we came together in this life to exchange certain experiences, even if it wasn't a love relationship or permanent. Carolyn Myss wrote about this in Sacred Contracts to some degree, and other authors have touched on it a bit. It is a sacred connection, beyond this life.

I don't think the eternal, infinite space from which that relationship comes can be put in human words and terms. I don't think most people have it at all. And I don't think those that do often recognize it, because they aren't open to spirituality and willing to sense the Sacred lines.

The closest thing most people have to that is a relationship with a lover, because that kind of emotional and spiritual intimacy is often only partially experienced with a physical lover.

I agree with you but I don't think most people will understand you. They aren't able to, because they haven't experienced it. If they have, like perhaps Xentor has up there, they don't need to explain it.

You'll notice in your post you mentioned people find their twin soul AFTER they have become whole unto themselves, and notice how many people are still replying to say they disagree with you because people need to be whole alone, as if they can't see the words you said at all? It's like people can't see the concept. It's one of those things that has to be experienced to be understood.

Ah well. C'est la vie.

what you say is interesting...yes I beleive that the soul pulling for a relationship is far more intense than any I have experienced before.....romanitic or not...it is for the furtherment or knowledge the soul is seeking

[skilly-nilly]

Jungs book on anima and animus is very hard to read and understand...I am in the process and by the depth of this book I think I will be reading it a few times....interesting concept with much depth....

It is indeed a very complex concept; I had a hard time condensing the idea in order to post.



You'll notice in your post you mentioned people find their twin soul AFTER they have become whole unto themselves, and notice how many people are still replying to say they disagree with you because people need to be whole alone, as if they can't see the words you said at all? It's like people can't see the concept. It's one of those things that has to be experienced to be understood.

Ah well. C'est la vie.

What I was saying (not that your post is directed to me) was not that there is a choice of 1) complete yourself alone or 2) complete yourself with a twin soul but that everyone (as per Jung) already has a complimentary 'twin soul' in themselves that they can either integrate or ignore.
So when you meet another person, that person's shadow self, animus, or anima belongs to that different individual and cannot be a part of yours. Theirs can be oppositional, can express what yours doesn't, can be complimentary, can be supportive but everybody is always a kind of 'twin soul' all by themselves.

[BearDancing]

I am by no means adept at the animus and anima concept...yet one important part I feel I did get was that the people we do interact with are usually the ones that has a more evolved say animus...where our animus may be less evolved and through the interaction we can see...if we are aware...and evolve that in ourselves...probably the couple will mirrror each other so that there is movement towards a more balanced animus and anima in ourselves....is that right Skilly Nilly...is that the way you understood Jungs concept

[RainInanna]

what you say is interesting...yes I beleive that the soul pulling for a relationship is far more intense than any I have experienced before.....romanitic or not...it is for the furtherment or knowledge the soul is seeking

We are so on the page and I love it :) I never even had any idea of this twin soul idea until this weekend when I recognized my friend as a soulmate. Now only a couple days later you are helping me understand it too because you've had one. Thank you so much for sharing :) You have brightened my life and my thinking just by putting this thought out on the forum.

I love Jung's writings! He distilled some pretty important concepts in ways that people can understand. He definitely seemed Divinely inspired, even though his writing is taken seriously in the scientific and physical world. His genius, in my opinion, was having that connection to the knowledge that goes beyond words, and the ability to put it in words. His gift was finding a way to make those words acceptable and understandable in the psychology field so we could keep reading them today.

Stephen Hawking is another genius that I admire so very much for that skill. Jung and Hawking's skills are some that I aspire to have someday as part of my life's purpose :)

[RainInanna]

So when you meet another person, that person's shadow self, animus, or anima belongs to that different individual and cannot be a part of yours. Theirs can be oppositional, can express what yours doesn't, can be complimentary, can be supportive but everybody is always a kind of 'twin soul' all by themselves.

Yes Skilly, I agree wholeheartedly with you for sure :)

I didn't want FairieSpirit's message to get lost in establishing that everyone can be complete unto themselves. To me that's just a matter of fact that we don't have to argue about because I assumed we all already knew that. What FairieSpirit describes is above and beyond being whole unto oneself.

I appreciate your response to though. Maybe it's wrong of me to assume everyone already knows we need to be whole unto ourselves, and that is certainly what Jung was getting at. I know it's true a whole lot of people wherever you are don't understand being whole unto oneself. Hell, I only really understood it truly and am still understanding it within the past year or so.

Here in Advanced Paganism I just assume these things are self-evident to other advanced Pagans, and maybe I'm wrong on that. So thank you for posting. I certainly think what you said is important and valuable.

I have a hard time talking about concepts I've already integrated and I know part of how wonderful your contributions are here are that you help people see the concepts you understand. I'm not so good at that yet :) My response was not directed at anyone but FairieSpirit but I was bewildered that people were taking time to point out everyone is whole unto themselves, because FairieSpirit did say that, and I guess I just assumed we all understood that to some level. My communication skills still need work :)

[BearDancing]

I could easily google Stephen Hawkings but lets have a conversation, what are some of the books you have read and are they as hard to read as Jung...I have only begun the book about the animus and anima by Jung and it is by far the most hard to understand...almost have to study it....or maybe it is my mindset right now....I am definately going to keep studing this book....It is nice to acctuallly talk to someone who has experienced Soul Attraction...it is sooo different...and many get caught up in the "soul mate" thang and even refuse to try and understand the Twin Soul or Soul attraction..

[BearDancing]

actually I am very happy for you that at such a young age you are experiencing "and understanding" it took me a long time to get here am 51 and so smiling for you my sweet...sharing with you makes my heart happy:ballonsmi

[RainInanna]

I think you will find some of these non-physical, evolutionary concepts that go beyond our current incarnation (that refer to what happens between lives) such as your twin soul idea has a hard time being heard because people are skeptical and the first impulse is to go "that sounds crazy" and "you're just arrogant because you think you know more than me". I can say this because I was the person who until very recently called people who talk about this stuff crazy and arrogant, ok. Can't excuse myself here, I'm also learning :)

But what I mean is. Twin souls. I'm not sure you can understand it without the context of understanding your soul beyond this physical incarnation and having a twin soul. I don't think you can learn calculus if you're three and can barely count to 10. That isn't a value judgement, that's saying I don't think many people have experienced it and I don't think you can understand it without experiencing a lot. It requires some foundational learning you get from understanding what happens between and beyond incarnations, and I don't think most people right now do. And I think those that do don't talk about it and learn from eachother (seriously, until this weekend I would've never talked about it with anyone, so couldn't learn myself either).

You're right, it's just nice to meet you and know that you "get" this concept :) It's so frustrating trying to share it with people when they don't have the words or tools to understand it yet. That's not a value judgment, I mean, I was someone who didn't get it 3 days ago quite honestly. I don't think I'm a better person because I get it at all. Most people are automatically going to be mute to your idea because they can't understand it and think you're arrogant because you feel you understand something they don't.

How can you win then? I don't know. I guess it's like with kids (I compare to kids because I have two toddlers myself) - you stop getting frustrated your 3 year old won't learn calculus, and help him learn to count to 20 instead. And you're very, very happy when you do find someone else who understands calculus :)

As to Hawking, he's a physicist, not a psychologist. His theories on the universe and how close they get to pantheism/panentheism are awesome. I think the Divine speaks through him, and he can say it in scientific terms that everyone respects and so, everyone gets a little bit of the Divine's message through him without even realizing it. Same with Jung. I don't have their communication skills, and like I said, only started seeing some of the Divine message myself 3 days ago. So they're my heroes and models for what I want to achieve in this life :)

[RainInanna]

I think Advanced Paganism is made for you and me. I think people like you and me wanted it so we could find eachother and talk about advanced calculus without going over basic counting skills.

I mean, I love my 3 and 2 year old to pieces, and I love them more than life itself. They are the most precious people to me. But somedays it's nice to talk calculus with you and get a break from teaching them to count to 10. It's part of my job to teach people to count, but when I find someone like you, it's almost like a twin soul on a smaller level, just because it's so rare to be able to talk about this advanced calculus.

On the initial look I'm just seeing the Divine message. I'm not good at sharing it yet. It seems like you understand the message very, very well. Some people aren't ready to hear it yet. A lot of people will go on their own spiritual journey and get a new insight just from reading your thoughts. The ones who post are more likely to criticize, where the ones who don't post probably got more value from it even if they didn't feel they had anything really valuable to respond with.

That's my impression anyway. I just wanted to speak up and tell you I understand you. There may be others who do too even if they don't feel safe in speaking up here. As you probably know, and maybe I don't need to tell you this, some people just aren't going to get the message yet and can't. Doesn't mean that it shouldn't be said. Thank you for saying it because I got your message and you made me understand a lot and made me very happy.

I have to go to work now but I will come back and talk to you more about this when I see what others have to say too. That way we may be able to get the message across better, once we learn how to say it.

[RainInanna]

Here's another thing for you - I think spiritual people have a few main stages of development.

First they believe everything and have no tools to evaluate with.

Second they have tools to evaluate and have to learn them by using them, so they criticize and double-check everything.

Third they have the tools and the ability to see things they would've otherwise criticized as "not real", "silly", and "arrogant".

I just hit Third myself :) I think in Advanced Paganism there are a lot of people towards Third but also in Second. A lot of your responses came from Second, which is fine. New Pagans, if you're interested, is a great place for interfacing with First and Second people. Here I like to look for Third people.

You are obviously a Third person. Some Firsts and Seconds just aren't ready to get you. Maybe only Thirds can really well. But Firsts and Seconds do get tipped off on some ideas by reading what you have to say, even if they don't say so. They may just not post. It is good for me to have just become a Third and see you, another Third, so we can interface.

It is not a value judgement but I know Firsts and Seconds often can't help but see it that way. I keep saying, my babies (2 and 3 year olds) are obviously Firsts, and I love them more than life itself. Of course they are just as wonderful and beautiful and perfect and whole as me. That I'm a Third, in fact, makes it hard for me to do several things that they do so very well. I sometimes wish to be First and Second again :) But us Thirds, I think we have a bigger responsibility even if sometimes our 3 year olds don't see it. Sometimes it's tiring to go over counting to 10, sometimes we do it anyway. Sometimes we get lucky and find someone who understands the calculus and that makes us happy on a fundamental level.

[BearDancing]

meeting you .. brings the smile to my face right now.. is one of the reasons I post some things that "some" do not understand and or look at me like I got 4 heads...I too am looking for people to share with as the more we experience and share the more we all learn...or at least the "soul seedz" are planted....I am in the process of starting a metaphysical store called "Soul Seedz" Interior...Re-Design

[RainInanna]

See I still haven't left because I'm so drawn to you :) And just talking to you allows me to finish thoughts I have and talk about things I didn't know until you and I started talking. Isn't that wonderful :) It makes me so happy.

There are a few of us around here. I won't give you names publicly just in case they don't want their names posted publicly. But I'm just reaching out to a few Thirds I know because I just now understood why I was so drawn to them. There are a few strings I'm following on people I think are Thirds too.

You'll find often they are like that too - they post things that get a lot of flack and argument, even though their posts tweak something in a few people's soul towards evolution. Sometimes you just gotta irritate 10 people who aren't ready to get 1 who is, and the payoff is worth it :) Sometimes it's hard to do though. We're still only human right? :)

[RainInanna]

I think by coming to this subforum and talking to other Thirds we can help eachother out more and support eachother to do this role we have a responsibility for. Just like I join parenting and adoption groups to help me when I'm having a bad day with my kids. Except us Thirds may be afraid to speak up. MW is a really good place for us to speak up and find eachother, even though it takes time :)

Some people just aren't ready, some are. I think someone like me needs to start speaking up so you other Thirds find me. I wanted to raise my hand in this thread and tell you I see you and your message and I look forward to talking with you more.

[BearDancing]

Get to Work......:crazyman:catch ya later my sweet

[MaidenOfMyth]

My best friend and I have often referred to ourselves as sisters or "soul twins" in jest but now I have reason to believe that we might actually be something like twin souls. Every aspect of our being is either exactly the same or polar opposite. Our pasts and interests are very similar even though we grew up on opposite sides of the globe. Even events that happened in our childhood and phases seem to coincide. We have a very deep spiritual connection. It's an odd sort of feeling. It's not even remotely a romantic feeling. It's just that we connect on a very deep level. The first time we both realized it we had a wave of pure happiness come over us. We called it the "creepy/good/happy feeling. We are extremely similar and the parts that are different only serve to balance us out. When we are together people tend to say that it's scary how similar we are. We even have cats that are polar opposites in appearance but exactly the same in mannerisms. I believe we may actually be "twin souls."

[*oonagh*]

twin souls? no.
everything that exists is of divinity (all of source) and are therefore all connected. so, let's see, how many things exists? that is the number of souls which are connected on a very spiritual level...the "oneness" that is all things.

[meowmeow]

Interesting! I always believed people have 'soul bonds' and 'soul mates'.

A soul bond is a person or animal that's very close to you on a spiritual + emotional level. You've known each other & met up in past lives in many different rolls- family, friend, pet, guide/teacher, lover.. but a romantic relationship never fares well between the two because your souls aren't in love.

A soul mate is the other half of you, your actual spirits karmically married since the start. They are around in all our incarnations but we rarely peruse them because we either don't recognize right away the significance, or we do recognize it & get scared. Either way every soul has lessons that often take many lifetimes to conquer, one soul mate is usually ahead than the other & recognizes the bond, but suffers heart ache because their mate is struggling & forsakes them for their superficial distractions. When one physically dies, it's not unusual for the spirit to wait for reincarnation until the mate dies & is also ready.

[BearDancing]

twin souls? no.
everything that exists is of divinity (all of source) and are therefore all connected. so, let's see, how many things exists? that is the number of souls which are connected on a very spiritual level...the "oneness" that is all things.

my beleifs are very similar to your own.........as all are connected, I just beleive that on our learning journey some of our connections are more predominate...........as in I know that I am conncected to all, yet I do have special relationships with plants, and some animals, and some humans........and I feel these relationships are for a learning purposes...........what and why am I learning............if not on my journey towards source.........just my thoughts, by the way....Love your new Avi

[Xander67]

I think it is more of a Yin vs Yang issue or something like that..

dualities

[thought_on_a_wind]

ya know... I recently got some confirmation on the whole Twin Souls thing... strangest part of it all is that it was/is seeming to be a chick I used to know/had a crush on... when I was in grade school... now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a stalking obsessed person, it's just when I moved back to this hell hole in West Virginia, I met her here, now that being said I remembered her, not vice versa, and as she was on her job I didn't say anything, but one night when I went homeless and had to walk 24 miles in 10 degree weather to the nearest homeless shelter I got this overbearing feeling I'd see her at this gas station round abouts 14 miles from the gas station and my destination

I did by chance see her there, though I was very ashamed of my homeless position in life, so I didn't say anything... just always got to me that I knew for a fact I'd see her there that night... another thing that kind of confirms it in a way is a little bit of a strange message from a friend of mine, the guys a natural medium, and getting a reading from him is crazy due to the fact that he'll randomly go into mediumship... this person never knew about this woman, never heard her, I never ever associated a certain woman in this place due to having this very strong pull to another my heart loves yet burns/hurts for and not knowing who she was.

This particular card reading I was feeling completely and utterly drained to the point that I couldn't move or sit up... then he says "There's someone here asking if you're okay." Now, I usually test this person because they are just tapping into their abilities, and as such usually ask for the physical description of the spirit to see if he's sensing an entity that I know is there or if it's just fabricated.

I got a vision that said this spirit in general (though I was drained, and thus had a very hard time connecting to spirit) was linked to a water-nymph like spirit I've had bless my dreams on several occasions... and have always felt (after my previous post in this thread saying that I beleive it, but it's nothing special... which I now have certain opposing reservations) was linked to my significant other... so, as part of his tests i asked him to describe the spirit... lo and behold the description aligned with either the woman I know in the physical and the water-nymph in the astral... which I'd never really associated the two before, but now find it strange that they would be so similar... and then he described the voice... now the woman of my early interests has a very distinctive voice, I said nothing, and was flabbergasted to hear him so accurately describe the voice... and then the volunteering that those two entities were linked...

So, though I still attempt a little bit of level minded skepticism to keep me wrested from delusions ugly head... I'm slowly but certainly paying heed to the signs to a certain degree...

[CheshireEyes]

hmmm, havent run across this thread yet. Interesting as I was reading Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls that briefly hits on this. Not considered "soulmates" but rather, advanced souls working on their life lessons who split their souls into several different human bodies, it limits the power of the soul in each individual body but also aids in furthering the soul as a whole in life lessons.

[Xander67]

:thumbsup:

[WolfyJames]

This sounds to me like a romanization of Jung. He thought that everyone is essentially both sexes (not genetically but as types or personality expressions) mostly expressing one but also embodying the opposite sex-- an anima and an animus.
http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/anima.htmlvvvvv

Interestingly, this is also biological-- everyone starts out as the same undifferentiated fetus. Chemical changes have to be triggered to 'flip' the fetus into male. So all males have an unexpressed female self and all females have a potential male self.

So Jung would say (and I also believe) that one is 'complete' when you are fully integrated-- you have reconciled your outward and your shadow self, your masculine and feminine personas.

I think that this is a much more positive goal--to become complete in yourself-- rathet than striving to become complete in love.


What I was saying (not that your post is directed to me) was not that there is a choice of 1) complete yourself alone or 2) complete yourself with a twin soul but that everyone (as per Jung) already has a complimentary 'twin soul' in themselves that they can either integrate or ignore.

I agree with you and Carl Jung. We already have within us our other half and we are both gender at once, it's a matter of balancing them and uniting them. This is one of the works of the alchemists, to unite the female part and the male part within oneself. Some majors of the tarot is about uniting the female and male part, just check the card Art (http://strangerealms.multiply.com/photos/album/18/Thoth_Tarot_-_Medium#photo=44) from the Thoth Tarot as an exemple, only to become the hermaphrodite on the World card (http://strangerealms.multiply.com/photos/photo/84/50). This is one of the reasons I became Wiccan, because the Goddess and the God are present within us, as above so below. We are a representation of them and the Great Rite is the same thing as uniting the female and male parts of ourselves. It is therefore important that both gender, both Goddess and God, are equal in every way, otherwise it hurts the other half of ourselves, and society along with it, which is another reasons why I became Wiccan. As above so below.

[meowmeow]

(After reading OP.)
That's pretty much the same description I'd use for soul mate.

I believe in soul mates, but I also believe in some lesser type of soul flames.. Souls you lived with in reincarnations and are important or bonded and sometimes get confused for a mate.

[CheshireEyes]

(After reading OP.)
That's pretty much the same description I'd use for soul mate.

I believe in soul mates, but I also believe in some lesser type of soul flames.. Souls you lived with in reincarnations and are important or bonded and sometimes get confused for a mate.

s'truth, those that are part of your soul group.... :cutie: