Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence Confirmed

[Garry Denke]

The Climate of Prehistoric Britain
http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/001/0412/Ant0010412.pdf

Yes! Perfect!

G-D

Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence Confirmed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1050935/Revealed-The-5-000-year-old-20ft-high-fence-hid-Stonehenge-nosy-Stone-Age-neighbours.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2655187/Stonehenge-was-hidden-from-lower-classes.html
http://www.britainnews.net/story/401304

Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence was a structure used to force drifting of snow to occur in a predictable place on Salisbury Plain, rather than in a more natural method. Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence was employed to minimize the amount of snowdrift over Stonehenge fields. Ancient farmers and ranchers used Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence to create large drifts for a ready supply of water in the spring.

Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence was constructed of large Oak Wooden Poles set deeply into the ground with large Oak Wooden Planks running vertically across them. The drifting of snow behind Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence followed the laws of physics as the pressure on the downwind side was less than that on the windward side, which allowed the light material snow (and Luau leaves) to settle there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_fence

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

http://www.garrydenke.com
http://www.denocoinc.com

The Climate of Prehistoric Britain
http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/001/0412/Ant0010412.pdf

Yes! Perfect!

G-D

[David19]

Denke's Stonehenge?, so, now, you "own" Stonehenge? :rolleyes:, don't tell me the government have sold it off :2G:.

[Halstrom]

The Climate of Prehistoric Britain
http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/001/0412/Ant0010412.pdf

Yes! Perfect!

G-D


Unless you have a username and a password, you can get into that website.



Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence Confirmed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1050935/Revealed-The-5-000-year-old-20ft-high-fence-hid-Stonehenge-nosy-Stone-Age-neighbours.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2655187/Stonehenge-was-hidden-from-lower-classes.html
http://www.britainnews.net/story/401304

Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence was a structure used to force drifting of snow to occur in a predictable place on Salisbury Plain, rather than in a more natural method. Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence was employed to minimize the amount of snowdrift over Stonehenge fields. Ancient farmers and ranchers used Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence to create large drifts for a ready supply of water in the spring.

Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence was constructed of large Oak Wooden Poles set deeply into the ground with large Oak Wooden Planks running vertically across them. The drifting of snow behind Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence followed the laws of physics as the pressure on the downwind side was less than that on the windward side, which allowed the light material snow (and Luau leaves) to settle there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_fence

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

http://www.garrydenke.com
http://www.denocoinc.com

The Climate of Prehistoric Britain
http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/001/0412/Ant0010412.pdf

Yes! Perfect!

G-D

Too bad the articles don't support that crackpot idea. Like was mentioned in the article, the fence was more likely used to keep the lower class people from viewing the rituals of the ancient Druids.

[ValD]

I dunno why I keep doing this, but here goes again...
If they had wanted to collect snow, for any reason, simple wicker hurdles would have done the job just as well.

ETA: And how do the luau leaves get there?

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

ETA: And how do the luau leaves get there?

They were brought in the chariots of the gods, of course. Duh!

[Garry Denke]

Archaeologists have uncovered the remains of what they believe to be a 20ft fence
designed to screen Stonehenge from the view of unworthy Stone Age Britons.

http://www.snowfence.com/images/gallery/customs/001_custom_BP-Alaska.jpg

The dig's co-director Dr Josh Pollard, of Bristol University, said: "The construction must have taken a lot of manpower. The palisade is an open structure which would not have been defensive and was too high to be practical for controlling livestock. It certainly wasn’t for hunting herded animals and so, like everything else in this ceremonial landscape, we have to believe it must have had a religious significance. The most plausible explanation is that it was built at huge cost to the community to screen the environs of Stonehenge from view. Basically, we think it was to keep the lower classes from seeing what exactly their rulers and the priestly class were doing."

http://www.snowfence.com/images/gallery/customs/002_custom_BP-Alaska.jpg

Mike Pitts, editor of British Archaeology Magazine and author of the book Hengeworld, said: "This is a fantastic insight into what the landscape would have looked like. This huge wooden palisade would have snaked across the landscape, blotting out views to Stonehenge from one side. The other side was the ceremonial route to the Henge from the River Avon and would have been shielded by the contours. The palisade would have heightened the mystery of whatever ceremonies were performed and it would have endowed those who were privy to those secrets with more power and prestige. In modern terms, you had to be invited or have a ticket to get in."

20ft British Petroleum (http://www.bp.com/home.do?categoryId=1) Snow Fence Confirmed

:rolleyes: :)

[David19]

Archaeologists have uncovered the remains of what they believe to be a 20ft fence
designed to screen Stonehenge from the view of unworthy Stone Age Britons.

http://www.snowfence.com/images/gallery/customs/001_custom_BP-Alaska.jpg

The dig's co-director Dr Josh Pollard, of Bristol University, said: "The construction must have taken a lot of manpower. The palisade is an open structure which would not have been defensive and was too high to be practical for controlling livestock. It certainly wasn’t for hunting herded animals and so, like everything else in this ceremonial landscape, we have to believe it must have had a religious significance. The most plausible explanation is that it was built at huge cost to the community to screen the environs of Stonehenge from view. Basically, we think it was to keep the lower classes from seeing what exactly their rulers and the priestly class were doing."

http://www.snowfence.com/images/gallery/customs/002_custom_BP-Alaska.jpg

Mike Pitts, editor of British Archaeology Magazine and author of the book Hengeworld, said: "This is a fantastic insight into what the landscape would have looked like. This huge wooden palisade would have snaked across the landscape, blotting out views to Stonehenge from one side. The other side was the ceremonial route to the Henge from the River Avon and would have been shielded by the contours. The palisade would have heightened the mystery of whatever ceremonies were performed and it would have endowed those who were privy to those secrets with more power and prestige. In modern terms, you had to be invited or have a ticket to get in."

20ft British Petroleum (http://www.bp.com/home.do?categoryId=1) Snow Fence Confirmed

:rolleyes: :)

Considering that fence looks too modern, and new, I doubt it's "Stone Age".

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

I think I liked Garry better when he was claiming to be God. Him and King Kev would get along so well, don't you think?

[David19]

I think I liked Garry better when he was claiming to be God. Him and King Kev would get along so well, don't you think?

I think they would, or, maybe, Garry is King Kev ;)!.

[Sebastian]

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq255/Sin_With_Sebastian/001_custom_BP-Alaska-1.jpg

Everyone who noticed the plastic-jacketed steel lines and the washers on the screws in the post, please raise your hand.

*raises his*

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

Pardon my ignorance here, but does Britain even get that much snow?

[Garry Denke]

I cannot even turn a computer on. But dentist Doctor Garry Whilhelm Denke (1622-1699), the historian and antiquarian of late prehistoric British Isles coal exploration, has only one theory in his German Diary embracing Cursus Palisades (Cursus Snow Fences; such as Rudston Cursus Snow Fences in Yorkshire, the Fornham All Saints Curses Snow Fence in Suffolk, the Cleaven Dyke Cursus Snow Fence in Perthshire, the Dorset Cursus Snow Fences in Dorsetshire, and the Great Cursus Snow Fence in Wiltshire. Each first parallel ditch of Cursus Palisades (Cursus Snow Fences) was a coal exploration, and each second parallel ditch of Cursus Palisades (Cursus Snow Fences) completed a snow fence construction.

According to Dr. Garry Whilhelm Denke's German Diary, as translated by Mammy Tree Harry (scholar), the older stone Cursus Snow Fences (dating from around 3800 BC) and the newer wood Stonehenge Palisade (dating from around 3000 BC) i.e, Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence, are not mysterious British Isles earthworks of the Neolithic landscape. After their initial coal exploration purpose, they (snow fences) were invented by Salisbury Plain farmers and ranchers attempting to survive in a harsh climate. 5,000-year-old Stonehenge Superbowl wintertime snow drifts were practically eliminated by Stonehenge Snow Fence, which doubled in summertime as the adjacent Stonehenge Baseball Park's outfield fence.

So, as you can see, there is one non-religious theory. Unfortunately, both Michaels (Pitts and Pearson) claim that no agricultural (farming and ranching) production of goods through the growing of plants and the raising of domesticated animals occurred on Salisbury Plain during the Neolithic. According to them (and other British archaeologists), there was absolutely no need for any agriculture, thus British Isles snow fences are ruled out. Cultivation of crops on Salisbury Plain arable land, and pastoral herding of livestock on Salisbury Plain rangeland, simply did not occur during the Stone Age they say. No, "like everything else in this ceremonial landscape, we have to believe it must have had a religious significance".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_fence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowmelt

O well, :(

[Garry Denke]

Now they say livestock was at Stonehenge

Stone-age pilgrims 'held barbecues at Stonehenge' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2777720/Stone-age-pilgrims-held-barbecues-at-Stonehenge.html)
'Bring your own barbecues' were popular at Stonehenge 5,000 years ago | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1054544/Bring-barbecues-popular-Stonehenge-5-000-years-ago.html)
Stone-age tribesmen 'held barbecues at Stonehenge' - mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/09/11/stone-age-tribesmen-held-barbecues-at-stonehenge-115875-20731853/)

And that Stonehenge Luau evidence exists

Maybe farming too

[Garry Denke]

Pardon my ignorance here, but did Britain ever get that much snow?

http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/001/0412/Ant0010412.pdf

Yep

[BlackLili]

I cannot even turn a computer on. But dentist Doctor Garry Whilhelm Denke (1622-1699), the historian and antiquarian of late prehistoric British Isles coal exploration...

So you're the reincarnation of yourself now, Garry?

Silver's right. You were funnier when you were Allah.

[Halstrom]

http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/001/0412/Ant0010412.pdf


We need a username and a password to access that website. And we have neither. So please post some evidence that we can actually see.

[Garry Denke]

Stonehenge Cursus Snow Fences

Dr Garry Denke's core samples of Stonehenge Palisade Snow Fence postholes nearest Heelstone Ditch dated the first Neolithic snow fence (~3000 BC). The wooden Neolithic palisade (Oak) snow fence posts and rails were replaced several times, up to the Late Bronze Age / Early Iron Age.

Wood fence posts and rails rotted rather quickly, considering they were buried in Stonehenge snowmelt. Fortunately, stone type Cursus Snow Fences were made of more durable rocks. Stonehenge Palisade Snow Fence was taller because large livestock populations required Spring water.

Prof Mike Parker Pearson (Univeristy of Sheffield), Prof Julian Thomas (University of Manchester), Dr Joshua Pollard University of Bristol), Dr Colin Richards (University of Manchester), Chris Tilley (University College London), and Dr Kate Welham (Bournemouth University), claim otherwise.

Interesting enough it still snows at Stonehenge:
however; not as much as it did 5,000 years ago

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/upload/img_400/sw_stonehenge_06_20050516151744.jpg

Avenue and Cursus ditches: Spring stock ponds;
palisade snow fences made winter travel easier

Stonehenge Partiers Came From Afar, Cattle Teeth Show (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080912-stonehenge.html)

Dr Garry Denke (1622-1699)

[David19]

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq255/Sin_With_Sebastian/001_custom_BP-Alaska-1.jpg

Everyone who noticed the plastic-jacketed steel lines and the washers on the screws in the post, please raise your hand.

*raises his*

Honestly, I never noticed those, I just thought it looked too modern to be "ancient" _inabox_.

[David19]

Pardon my ignorance here, but does Britain even get that much snow?

Not around here :2G:.


I cannot even turn a computer on. But dentist Doctor Garry Whilhelm Denke (1622-1699), the historian and antiquarian of late prehistoric British Isles coal exploration, has only one theory in his German Diary embracing Cursus Palisades (Cursus Snow Fences; such as Rudston Cursus Snow Fences in Yorkshire, the Fornham All Saints Curses Snow Fence in Suffolk, the Cleaven Dyke Cursus Snow Fence in Perthshire, the Dorset Cursus Snow Fences in Dorsetshire, and the Great Cursus Snow Fence in Wiltshire. Each first parallel ditch of Cursus Palisades (Cursus Snow Fences) was a coal exploration, and each second parallel ditch of Cursus Palisades (Cursus Snow Fences) completed a snow fence construction.

According to Dr. Garry Whilhelm Denke's German Diary, as translated by Mammy Tree Harry (scholar), the older stone Cursus Snow Fences (dating from around 3800 BC) and the newer wood Stonehenge Palisade (dating from around 3000 BC) i.e, Denke's Stonehenge Snow Fence, are not mysterious British Isles earthworks of the Neolithic landscape. After their initial coal exploration purpose, they (snow fences) were invented by Salisbury Plain farmers and ranchers attempting to survive in a harsh climate. 5,000-year-old Stonehenge Superbowl wintertime snow drifts were practically eliminated by Stonehenge Snow Fence, which doubled in summertime as the adjacent Stonehenge Baseball Park's outfield fence.

So, as you can see, there is one non-religious theory. Unfortunately, both Michaels (Pitts and Pearson) claim that no agricultural (farming and ranching) production of goods through the growing of plants and the raising of domesticated animals occurred on Salisbury Plain during the Neolithic. According to them (and other British archaeologists), there was absolutely no need for any agriculture, thus British Isles snow fences are ruled out. Cultivation of crops on Salisbury Plain arable land, and pastoral herding of livestock on Salisbury Plain rangeland, simply did not occur during the Stone Age they say. No, "like everything else in this ceremonial landscape, we have to believe it must have had a religious significance".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_fence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowmelt

O well, :(


Now they say livestock was at Stonehenge

Stone-age pilgrims 'held barbecues at Stonehenge' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2777720/Stone-age-pilgrims-held-barbecues-at-Stonehenge.html)
'Bring your own barbecues' were popular at Stonehenge 5,000 years ago | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1054544/Bring-barbecues-popular-Stonehenge-5-000-years-ago.html)
Stone-age tribesmen 'held barbecues at Stonehenge' - mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/09/11/stone-age-tribesmen-held-barbecues-at-stonehenge-115875-20731853/)

And that Stonehenge Luau evidence exists

Maybe farming too


http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/001/0412/Ant0010412.pdf

Yep


So you're the reincarnation of yourself now, Garry?

Silver's right. You were funnier when you were Allah.

BlackLili is right, you must be a reincarnation of yourself, either that, or you're immortal :giggle: :hehehehe:.


We need a username and a password to access that website. And we have neither. So please post some evidence that we can actually see.


Stonehenge Cursus Snow Fences

Dr Garry Denke's core samples of Stonehenge Palisade Snow Fence postholes nearest Heelstone Ditch dated the first Neolithic snow fence (~3000 BC). The wooden Neolithic palisade (Oak) snow fence posts and rails were replaced several times, up to the Late Bronze Age / Early Iron Age.

Wood fence posts and rails rotted rather quickly, considering they were buried in Stonehenge snowmelt. Fortunately, stone type Cursus Snow Fences were made of more durable rocks. Stonehenge Palisade Snow Fence was taller because large livestock populations required Spring water.

Prof Mike Parker Pearson (Univeristy of Sheffield), Prof Julian Thomas (University of Manchester), Dr Joshua Pollard University of Bristol), Dr Colin Richards (University of Manchester), Chris Tilley (University College London), and Dr Kate Welham (Bournemouth University), claim otherwise.

Interesting enough it still snows at Stonehenge:
however; not as much as it did 5,000 years ago

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/upload/img_400/sw_stonehenge_06_20050516151744.jpg

Avenue and Cursus ditches: Spring stock ponds;
palisade snow fences made winter travel easier

Stonehenge Partiers Came From Afar, Cattle Teeth Show (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080912-stonehenge.html)

Dr Garry Denke (1622-1699)

Once again, what?, and, Halstrom, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you ;).

[Garry Denke]

We'll never know how Wood and Stone got to Snow Henge.

http://www.lakesideinn.net/lakesideinnstory/media/image005.jpg

Never. Not ever. Never ever.

:lol:

[David19]

We'll never know how Wood and Stone got to Snow Henge.

http://www.lakesideinn.net/lakesideinnstory/media/image005.jpg

Never. Not ever. Never ever.

:lol:

Perhaps your past life as YHWH Allah had something to do with it :hehehehe:.

[Philosophia]

Archaeologists have uncovered the remains of what they believe to be a 20ft fence
designed to screen Stonehenge from the view of unworthy Stone Age Britons.

http://www.snowfence.com/images/gallery/customs/001_custom_BP-Alaska.jpg

The dig's co-director Dr Josh Pollard, of Bristol University, said: "The construction must have taken a lot of manpower. The palisade is an open structure which would not have been defensive and was too high to be practical for controlling livestock. It certainly wasn’t for hunting herded animals and so, like everything else in this ceremonial landscape, we have to believe it must have had a religious significance. The most plausible explanation is that it was built at huge cost to the community to screen the environs of Stonehenge from view. Basically, we think it was to keep the lower classes from seeing what exactly their rulers and the priestly class were doing."

http://www.snowfence.com/images/gallery/customs/002_custom_BP-Alaska.jpg

Mike Pitts, editor of British Archaeology Magazine and author of the book Hengeworld, said: "This is a fantastic insight into what the landscape would have looked like. This huge wooden palisade would have snaked across the landscape, blotting out views to Stonehenge from one side. The other side was the ceremonial route to the Henge from the River Avon and would have been shielded by the contours. The palisade would have heightened the mystery of whatever ceremonies were performed and it would have endowed those who were privy to those secrets with more power and prestige. In modern terms, you had to be invited or have a ticket to get in."

20ft British Petroleum (http://www.bp.com/home.do?categoryId=1) Snow Fence Confirmed

:rolleyes: :)

Those photos are from Alaska. What do they have to do with what you are saying?

[Garry Denke]

Those photos are from Alaska. What do they have to do with what you are saying?

Nothing at all. :lol:

Here diagrams of Stonehenge-Cursus Snow Fences.

The Cursus Snow Fence (http://home.eol.ca/~cumulus/Cursus/ch3.htg/CURSUS.V.gif)
Stonehenge Snow Fence (http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/11444/stonehenge_palisade.html)
2008 Snow Palisade Digs (http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Stonehenge2008/StonehengeDig2008a.html)

Stonehenge-Cursus Snow Fences trend NE-SW.

:lol:

[Garry Denke]

Assuming that ancient meteorologists oriented Stonehenge / Cursus snow fences of the British Isles and their long side dugouts ideally, Stone Age snow fence orientations are perpendicular to the prevailing cold front / arctic wind directions at each locality. The prevailing wind directions before the construction of Stonehenge / Cursus snow fences, determined by ancient meteorologists observing the orientations of Stone Age snow drifts along natural local obstructions, is predicted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/images/g_wc_ukw1.gif

Studies have shown that a snow fence is no less effective if the wind direction deviates up to 25 degrees from the perpendicular to the snow fence. Given the quantity of Stonehenge / Cursus snow fences in the British Isles, perhaps meteorologists could predict Stone Age weather? Maybe even build some Stone Age Weather Maps? Note: In ~500 year period Stonehenge / Cursus cold front / arctic wind directions changed. The snow fences' azimuths are not exactly parallel.

BBC - Weather Centre - UK Weather (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/)

[David19]

Nothing at all. :lol:

Here diagrams of Stonehenge-Cursus Snow Fences.

The Cursus Snow Fence (http://home.eol.ca/~cumulus/Cursus/ch3.htg/CURSUS.V.gif)
Stonehenge Snow Fence (http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/11444/stonehenge_palisade.html)
2008 Snow Palisade Digs (http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Stonehenge2008/StonehengeDig2008a.html)

Stonehenge-Cursus Snow Fences trend NE-SW.

:lol:

So, you admit the post, or pics, were a waste of time?.


Assuming that ancient meteorologists oriented Stonehenge / Cursus snow fences of the British Isles and their long side dugouts ideally, Stone Age snow fence orientations are perpendicular to the prevailing cold front / arctic wind directions at each locality. The prevailing wind directions before the construction of Stonehenge / Cursus snow fences, determined by ancient meteorologists observing the orientations of Stone Age snow drifts along natural local obstructions, is predicted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/images/g_wc_ukw1.gif

Studies have shown that a snow fence is no less effective if the wind direction deviates up to 25 degrees from the perpendicular to the snow fence. Given the quantity of Stonehenge / Cursus snow fences in the British Isles, perhaps meteorologists could predict Stone Age weather? Maybe even build some Stone Age Weather Maps? Note: In ~500 year period Stonehenge / Cursus cold front / arctic wind directions changed. The snow fences' azimuths are not exactly parallel.

BBC - Weather Centre - UK Weather (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/)

I should be used to this, but what?.

[Garry Denke]

Some benefits of coralling snow:

1) Water for agriculture (farming and ranching).
2) Snowmelt saved trips for river drinking water.
3) Deep snow travel between villages eliminated.

The frequency of cursus snow fences increases northward as expected,
more than fifty (50) Scotland cursus snow fences have been identified:

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba44/ba44feat.html
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba69/feat1.shtml

Snow fences 6,000 years old!

[SwordsFlameSong]

Here's an interesting article on Stonehenge - if it has already been discussed I apologize.

It doesn't contain mention of snow fences.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080912-stonehenge.html



"Prehistoric cattle remains found close to Stonehenge (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/%3Ca%20href=) suggest that partying pilgrims brought the animals from afar, scientists report.
The remains support a theory that the megalithic monument near Salisbury, in southern England, drew ancient peoples from distant ........."

[SwordsFlameSong]

Haven't scientists theorized that the stones were a later build of Stonehenge, and that, initially it was comprised of wood?

Was carbon dating done on the wood fence remains? If so, how does that dating line up with the estimated time the stones were put into place? If the wood predates the stone structure then, isn't it just as logical to theorize it was part of the wooden version of Stonehenge?

As far as moving the wood. Is there proof they used animals - such as horses?

Did they just find a part of a fence? Perhaps it did encircle but the rest of its remains are lost?

Can they actually prove the theory that this fence was there to keep out the lowers? What evidence, beyond discovery of the fence is this assumption based upon?

If one is assuming, perhaps the fence was put up as a "protection" for workers as they constructed the site. We do it around modern construction sites. It is possible that the same concept has held true for thousands of years. Perhaps it was created as a marker for where the structure was to be. Perhaps it was constructed to mark something that was going to be added but never was...... Theories abound.

Either way, I would need more concrete evidence before accrediting some of the information in these articles as 'probable'.

[David19]

Here's an interesting article on Stonehenge - if it has already been discussed I apologize.

It doesn't contain mention of snow fences.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080912-stonehenge.html

Thanks for that link :).


Haven't scientists theorized that the stones were a later build of Stonehenge, and that, initially it was comprised of wood?

Was carbon dating done on the wood fence remains? If so, how does that dating line up with the estimated time the stones were put into place? If the wood predates the stone structure then, isn't it just as logical to theorize it was part of the wooden version of Stonehenge?

As far as moving the wood. Is there proof they used animals - such as horses?

Did they just find a part of a fence? Perhaps it did encircle but the rest of its remains are lost?

Can they actually prove the theory that this fence was there to keep out the lowers? What evidence, beyond discovery of the fence is this assumption based upon?

If one is assuming, perhaps the fence was put up as a "protection" for workers as they constructed the site. We do it around modern construction sites. It is possible that the same concept has held true for thousands of years. Perhaps it was created as a marker for where the structure was to be. Perhaps it was constructed to mark something that was going to be added but never was...... Theories abound.

Either way, I would need more concrete evidence before accrediting some of the information in these articles as 'probable'.

QFT, I think I've heard the stones used to build Stonehenge did come from far off, like Wales, or somewhere, so, it's interesting to think of how they did it, how it was made, etc.

[SwordsFlameSong]

Look for a special called Stonehenge Decoded. Or it may have been called Stonehenge Revealed. They experimented with different methods/theories as to how the stones were moved. If I recollect correctly, they hypothesis included rafts down some waterways and then a pully type system on land. Logs underneath the stones whilst others pulled. The logs provided a natural rolling mechanism. The logs were constantly being retrieved and put in front of the stone.

Link: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/stonehenge-decoded-3372/ In the upperish right hand corner there is a retracing of the theorized route of the builders... Much more of interest here.

Where there is a will there is a way. And, I think our ancestors were just as creative problem solvers as we are.

Which leads me to one of my favorite examples that shows that many of the ancients were far from non-advanced. There is the lost civilization of Minoan Crete. They were a naval empire that the Egyptians called 'The Keftiu. An excavation is taking place on Thera. This archeological dig will take until 2300 plus ADE to complete. What has been uncovered thus far shows us that they had flush toilets, showers, apartment buildings, bathtubs, rooftop cisterns - there is also evidence that they used steam from the volcanic vents to heat their homes.

Some theorize this civilization is actually the Atlantis of Plato. And it was buried by a catastrophic volcanic eruption sometime between the years of 1650-1628 BCE.

And this ties in with the topic of history vs legend/myth.

Thera links
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hijohn44
http://www.therafoundation.org/articles/chronololy
http://www.greek-thesaurus.gr/cycladic-excavation-Akrotiri-Thera.html/

Another good read on this is Charles Peligrino's book "Unearthing Atlantis". This man takes a look at it from all angles.

As another total side track - Charles Peligrino has also written a book on Pompeii, and a couple in regards to the Titanic. I feel he is a must read for history lovers and those who like science.

[David19]

Look for a special called Stonehenge Decoded. Or it may have been called Stonehenge Revealed. They experimented with different methods/theories as to how the stones were moved. If I recollect correctly, they hypothesis included rafts down some waterways and then a pully type system on land. Logs underneath the stones whilst others pulled. The logs provided a natural rolling mechanism. The logs were constantly being retrieved and put in front of the stone.

Link: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/stonehenge-decoded-3372/ In the upperish right hand corner there is a retracing of the theorized route of the builders... Much more of interest here.

Where there is a will there is a way. And, I think our ancestors were just as creative problem solvers as we are.

Which leads me to one of my favorite examples that shows that many of the ancients were far from non-advanced. There is the lost civilization of Minoan Crete. They were a naval empire that the Egyptians called 'The Keftiu. An excavation is taking place on Thera. This archeological dig will take until 2300 plus ADE to complete. What has been uncovered thus far shows us that they had flush toilets, showers, apartment buildings, bathtubs, rooftop cisterns - there is also evidence that they used steam from the volcanic vents to heat their homes.

Some theorize this civilization is actually the Atlantis of Plato. And it was buried by a catastrophic volcanic eruption sometime between the years of 1650-1628 BCE.

And this ties in with the topic of history vs legend/myth.

Thera links
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hijohn44
http://www.therafoundation.org/articles/chronololy
http://www.greek-thesaurus.gr/cycladic-excavation-Akrotiri-Thera.html/

Another good read on this is Charles Peligrino's book "Unearthing Atlantis". This man takes a look at it from all angles.

As another total side track - Charles Peligrino has also written a book on Pompeii, and a couple in regards to the Titanic. I feel he is a must read for history lovers and those who like science.

Thanks for those links, and I'll look out for 'Stonehenge Decoded' or 'Stonehenge Revealed'. I really think Stonehenge, and how it was built, is quite interesting. BTW, the first Youtube link you posted doesn't seem to have much about Stonehenge, it seems to only have a South Park clip, and a 'George Bush is Funny' link, not that South Park isn't good, though.

That book sounds quite interesting too.

[SwordsFlameSong]

Well, that is odd. I must have accidentally copied something that Bri was looking at

[Garry Denke]

Journal of Climate
American Meteorological Society
Volume 10, Issue 1 (January 1997)

A GCM Simulation of the Climate 6000 Years Ago
Nicholas M. J. Hall and Paul J. Valdes
Department of Meteorology, University of Reading, Reading, United Kingdom

ABSTRACT (http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0442(1997)010%3C0003%3AAGSOTC%3E2.0.CO%3B2&ct=1#I1520-0442-10-1-3-F03E)
Two 10-yr integrations of the UGAMP GCM are presented. Each has a full seasonal cycle, T42 resolution, interactive land and sea ice, and prescribed sea surface temperatures. They differ in that one integration represents present day climate (PD) and the other has a perturbed orbit and reduced atmospheric concentrations of CO2 appropriate to the climate of 6000 years ago (6 kyr, hereafter 6k). The 6k integration produces enhanced continental warmth during summer and cold during winter. Changes in atmospheric temperature gradients brought about by the surface response lead to altered jet stream structures and transient eddy activity, which in turn affect precipitation patterns. Tropical “monsoon”-type circulation patterns are also affected, also leading to altered precipitation. Many of the changes in hydrology mimic the geological record remarkably well: the Sahel is much wetter, as are the midwestern United States and the Mediterranean regions; California and northern Europe are drier. Processes leading to the model’s surface responses in both temperature and hydrology are described in detail. Finally, the sensitivity of the results to an alternative, objective definition of the 6k calendar is investigated. This sensitivity is found to be smaller than the overall signal to the extent that the principal conclusions are not altered.
http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0442(1997)010%3C0003%3AAGSOTC%3E2.0.CO%3B2&ct=1#I1520-0442-10-1-3-F03E

Snow Fences: Ireland, Wales, Scotland, England; 200 Cursus
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/cursus.htm
United Kingdom Cursus Snow Fences

“North of these Rocks lies a Great snow fence...”
- Dr. Garry Denke 1656 Diary

[David19]

Well, that is odd. I must have accidentally copied something that Bri was looking at

No worries :).

[David19]

Journal of Climate
American Meteorological Society
Volume 10, Issue 1 (January 1997)

A GCM Simulation of the Climate 6000 Years Ago
Nicholas M. J. Hall and Paul J. Valdes
Department of Meteorology, University of Reading, Reading, United Kingdom

ABSTRACT (http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0442(1997)010%3C0003%3AAGSOTC%3E2.0.CO%3B2&ct=1#I1520-0442-10-1-3-F03E)
Two 10-yr integrations of the UGAMP GCM are presented. Each has a full seasonal cycle, T42 resolution, interactive land and sea ice, and prescribed sea surface temperatures. They differ in that one integration represents present day climate (PD) and the other has a perturbed orbit and reduced atmospheric concentrations of CO2 appropriate to the climate of 6000 years ago (6 kyr, hereafter 6k). The 6k integration produces enhanced continental warmth during summer and cold during winter. Changes in atmospheric temperature gradients brought about by the surface response lead to altered jet stream structures and transient eddy activity, which in turn affect precipitation patterns. Tropical “monsoon”-type circulation patterns are also affected, also leading to altered precipitation. Many of the changes in hydrology mimic the geological record remarkably well: the Sahel is much wetter, as are the midwestern United States and the Mediterranean regions; California and northern Europe are drier. Processes leading to the model’s surface responses in both temperature and hydrology are described in detail. Finally, the sensitivity of the results to an alternative, objective definition of the 6k calendar is investigated. This sensitivity is found to be smaller than the overall signal to the extent that the principal conclusions are not altered.
http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0442(1997)010%3C0003%3AAGSOTC%3E2.0.CO%3B2&ct=1#I1520-0442-10-1-3-F03E

Snow Fences: Ireland, Wales, Scotland, England; 200 Cursus
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/cursus.htm
United Kingdom Cursus Snow Fences

“North of these Rocks lies a Great snow fence...”
- Dr. Garry Denke 1656 Diary

You're over 400 years old, and a doctor, and also YHWH Allah, wow, MW must be honoured to have you :hehehehe:.

[Garry Denke]

One of the interesting facts about Cursus Snow Fences and Cursus Reservoir Ditches is that if their ends are left unblocked they will actually dry a field of snowmelt in time for a Spring planting.

It is this dual function which makes Cursus Snow Fences and Cursus Reservoir Ditches so regionally versatile and the reason some have blocked terminals while others have open ends into rivers.

GDenke@tx.rr.com

[Halstrom]

@GD

You do realize that all the articles that you linked to, that are talking about Cursus' purpose generally say that they served a ritual purpose, and say nothing about their supposed use as snow fences?

Are we supposed to take your word over the words of actual archaeologists?

[Garry Denke]

You do realize that all the articles that you linked to, that are talking about Cursus' purpose generally say that they served a ritual purpose, and say nothing about their supposed use as snow fences??

Yes, three hundred and fifty and two (352) years ago German historian, antiquarian and dentist Dr. Garry Denke (1622-1699) did claim that Snow Fence of Rocks ('Great Cursus of Stonehenge') and others were built to trap snow, and Today archaeologists David McOmish (English Heritage), Dr. Kenneth Brophy (University of Glasgow), Dr. Mike Pitts (British Archaeology), Prof. Mike Parker Pearson (University of Sheffield), Prof. Julian Thomas (University of Manchester), Dr. Joshua Pollard (University of Bristol), Dr. Colin Richards (University of Manchester), Chris Tilley (University College London), Dr. Kate Welham (Bournemouth University), and All other United Kingdom archaeologists, Today claim otherwise.



Are we supposed to take your word over the words of actual archaeologists?

There are no artefacts in Cursus banks because they are only snow fences.

http://home.eol.ca/~cumulus/Cursus/ch3.htg/CURSUS.V.gif

“North of these Rocks lies a Great snow fence...”
- Dr. Garry Denke 1656 Diary

[David19]

Yes, three hundred and fifty and two (352) years ago German historian, antiquarian and dentist Dr. Garry Denke (1622-1699) did claim that Snow Fence of Rocks ('Great Cursus of Stonehenge') and others were built to trap snow, and Today archaeologists David McOmish (English Heritage), Dr. Kenneth Brophy (University of Glasgow), Dr. Mike Pitts (British Archaeology), Prof. Mike Parker Pearson (University of Sheffield), Prof. Julian Thomas (University of Manchester), Dr. Joshua Pollard (University of Bristol), Dr. Colin Richards (University of Manchester), Chris Tilley (University College London), Dr. Kate Welham (Bournemouth University), and All other United Kingdom archaeologists, Today claim otherwise.




There are no artefacts in Cursus banks because they are only snow fences.

http://home.eol.ca/~cumulus/Cursus/ch3.htg/CURSUS.V.gif

“North of these Rocks lies a Great snow fence...”
- Dr. Garry Denke 1656 Diary

So, we should take your word for it as reincarnation of this "Dr. Garry Denke" over other respected archelogists?.

[Garry Denke]

So, we should take your word for it as reincarnation of this "Dr. Garry Denke" over other respected archelogists?.

No, you should take side with David McOmish (English Heritage), Dr. Kenneth Brophy (University of Glasgow), Dr. Mike Pitts (British Archaeology), Prof. Timothy Darvill (Bournemouth University), Prof. Geoff Wainwright (Society of Antiquaries), Dr. Andrew Fitzpatrick (Wessex Archaeology), Dave Batchelor (English Heritage), Prof. Mike Parker Pearson (University of Sheffield), Prof. Julian Thomas (University of Manchester), Dr. Joshua Pollard (University of Bristol), Dr. Colin Richards (University of Manchester), Chris Tilley (University College London), Dr. Kate Welham (Bournemouth University), and All of the other United Kingdom archaeologists adamantly claiming that 6,000-year-old Cursus Snow Fences were sacred religious ceremonial sites.

Why? Because that position solidifies German historian, antiquarian and dentist, Dr. Garry Denke (1622-1699) sole claim to the 1656 discovery that Snow Fence of Rocks ('Great Cursus of Stonehenge') and others were constructed in Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and England for the purpose of coralling snow.

Snow Fences producing drinking water are still sacred to the thirsty.

[Garry Denke]

I think they would, or, maybe, Garry is King Kev ;)!.

The German Amesbury Archer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7625145.stm

The German King of Stonehenge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/archaeology/excavations_techniques/king_stonehenge_01.shtml

The German Archer Garry Denke
(b. 2340 BC, d. 2300 BC), ancestor of the good doctor! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/england/2746505.stm)

Go figure?

[David19]

No, you should take side with David McOmish (English Heritage), Dr. Kenneth Brophy (University of Glasgow), Dr. Mike Pitts (British Archaeology), Prof. Timothy Darvill (Bournemouth University), Prof. Geoff Wainwright (Society of Antiquaries), Dr. Andrew Fitzpatrick (Wessex Archaeology), Dave Batchelor (English Heritage), Prof. Mike Parker Pearson (University of Sheffield), Prof. Julian Thomas (University of Manchester), Dr. Joshua Pollard (University of Bristol), Dr. Colin Richards (University of Manchester), Chris Tilley (University College London), Dr. Kate Welham (Bournemouth University), and All of the other United Kingdom archaeologists adamantly claiming that 6,000-year-old Cursus Snow Fences were sacred religious ceremonial sites.

Why? Because that position solidifies German historian, antiquarian and dentist, Dr. Garry Denke (1622-1699) sole claim to the 1656 discovery that Snow Fence of Rocks ('Great Cursus of Stonehenge') and others were constructed in Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and England for the purpose of coralling snow.

Snow Fences producing drinking water are still sacred to the thirsty.

I've never heard of those guys, and since when do "Snow Fences" produce drinking water?.

So, is all this just an attempt to gain recognition for your "ancestor/past life"?.

[David19]

The German Amesbury Archer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7625145.stm

The German King of Stonehenge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/archaeology/excavations_techniques/king_stonehenge_01.shtml

The German Archer Garry Denke
(b. 2340 BC, d. 2300 BC), ancestor of the good doctor! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/england/2746505.stm)

Go figure?

I'm not sure what those links have to do with the quote you replied too.

[Xentor]

I'm not sure what those links have to do with the quote you replied too.

It means you have to stop feeding the trolls.

[Garry Denke]

I've never heard of those guys, and since when do "Snow Fences" produce drinking water?.

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/watercyclesnowmelt.html



So, is all this just an attempt to gain recognition for your "ancestor/past life"?.

Dig pinpoints Stonehenge origins (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7625145.stm)

Salisbury Plain three (3) Southern parallel Mesolithic (10,000-year-old) Stonehenge pinewood Weather Vane Poles that were constructed inside what is now Stonehenge car park which held three (3) gutted-out conical tube-shaped Pigskin Windsocks (wind cones) at their pole tops is what I would be studying.

The three (3) Southern parallel Stonehenge pinewood Weather Vane Poles and top Pigskin Windsocks were designed to measure wind direction and relative wind speed before Northern parallel Mesolithic (10,000-year-old) Great Cursus Snow Fence was built for Spring water generation atop dry Stonehenge hill.

I think BBC should study Stonehenge oldest features first:

http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/stonehengepostholes.htm
http://home.eol.ca/~cumulus/Cursus/ch3.htg/CURSUS.V.gif

The article feature (9,000-year-old) is secondary.

Garry Denke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_vane