View Full Version : child's grave at Stonehenge had a toy hedgehog in it
Ben Gruagach
October 16th, 2008, 07:17 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1073210/Prehistoric-child-discovered-buried-toy-hedgehog-Stonehenge.html
The prehistoric grave of a child, excavated at Stonehenge, included what they are calling a toy hedgehog.
The article includes photos of the toy.
Laisrean
October 16th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Pretty cool find. So does this mean it should be called a Hengehog? :hahugh:
Amilee
October 16th, 2008, 07:56 AM
That's one abstract hedgehog. O_O how in the world could you determine that?! But still. Awww so cute.
chrysanna
October 16th, 2008, 08:31 AM
How are they so sure it's a hedgehog? Sheesh...
Still, cool article.
David19
October 16th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Pretty cool discovery.
Pretty cool find. So does this mean it should be called a Hengehog? :hahugh:
:lol:.
That's one abstract hedgehog. O_O how in the world could you determine that?! But still. Awww so cute.
How are they so sure it's a hedgehog? Sheesh...
Still, cool article.
I agree, personally, if I found it, I'd have thought it was just a rock, maybe the kid liked playing with rocks!.
Silverfire Darkmoon
October 16th, 2008, 09:43 AM
But Garry has already told us all about this!
I don't think it looks like a hedgehog, or a pig, but I'm not sure what else it could be.
It has adorable little nubs for legs!
Ben Gruagach
October 16th, 2008, 09:53 AM
When I saw the photos I thought it looked more like a pig than a hedgehog. But then I grew up on a farm with pigs, cows, and things like that. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a hedgehog except in pictures.
Laisrean
October 16th, 2008, 10:21 AM
I don't think it looks like a hedgehog, or a pig, but I'm not sure what else it could be.
Maybe its the prehistoric version of Mr. Potatohead. :weirdsmil
Avalonia
October 16th, 2008, 01:26 PM
It looks like a guinea pig to me. O_o
Wait, if I tilt my head a certain way, it kinda looks like a dog with a very small body (and legs) and a really huge head.
... I have no idea what that's supposed to be. XDD
Glowingsun
October 16th, 2008, 01:44 PM
back then art and scultping was done very roughly. It could be any type of hog or small animal.
If you weren't told what it could be, it would just look like rock.
Rumor has it that their were sacrifices done at stonehange. I don't know how true that is. But find a child with a rock beside him sounds a little fishy.
_Banbha_
October 16th, 2008, 03:02 PM
It is surely a Hedgehog GOD.
Or pig, unless I'm missing some details.
orangeconey
October 17th, 2008, 02:15 AM
AWWWWWW!
*is squeeing*
Clair de la Lune
October 17th, 2008, 02:27 AM
AWE....too cute! I feel kinda bad that they had to disturb the place.
elessar
October 17th, 2008, 04:28 AM
Sonic was already famous back then :bigredgri:bigredgri
la tortuga
October 17th, 2008, 04:50 AM
back then art and scultping was done very roughly. It could be any type of hog or small animal.
If you weren't told what it could be, it would just look like rock.
Rumor has it that their were sacrifices done at stonehange. I don't know how true that is. But find a child with a rock beside him sounds a little fishy.
:lol: It looks like a guinea pig to me, of course. The fact it's made of chalk would make it excellent for sculpting and not so great for head-bashing, I would think, though. It's probably a figurine of some sort.
Sonic was already famous back then :bigredgri:bigredgri
:lol:
IMO...
If you read the article it talks about how it was possibly placed there by some doting father. O.o How can they tell that? It seems seriously assumed, and they're calling it the very first rendering of hedgehogs in human history that we know of... and it doesn't even look like a hedgehog to me. haha And the part where they're not sure about how the hedgehog fit into the religion of the area or time... sheesh, if it's supposed to be a child's toy does it necessarily have to reflect the religion of the time? It's like finding a kid buried with their Raggedy Ann and Raggedy Andy dolls and assuming it's a rendition of the God and Goddess of Wiccan culture! :lol:
... watch there's going to be a hegehog cult spring up somewhere...
EJ1096
October 17th, 2008, 05:05 AM
Fay Vass, of the British Hedgehog Preservation Society,:wtf:
Well it must be a hedgehog...Fay Vass says it is.... and she knows her hedgehogs.
Now I love animals, part of my job is to rescue animals. but ...Really? this world actually requires a Hedgehog Preservation Society?
I'm sorry if I offended, not my intent.
ffetcher
November 3rd, 2008, 02:29 PM
Fact, of course, being stranger than fiction, on one of the Scottish islands, there was a threat to cull the hedgehog population (I forget the details but I think I recall that with no predators themselves they'd discovered how to eat the eggs of some endangered species) and immediately there was an appeal in place to have the beasties airlifted to the mainland and then released.
As well, grey squirrels (import from America) are destroying our indigenous red species and are back on the vermin list in many places. Don't get me wrong, I love watching them but I'd prefer the reds to still be around my area. Natch, we have a protest group.
Doesn't look like a hedgehog to me, but then neither does our standard pull-along folkie manufactured wooden hedgehog toy over here and the little kids love them and all try to say 'hedgehog'. A friend tells me, however, that it's demonstrably 'worked', and thus probably a toy. 'Possible ritual use' is the standard archaeologist's response when they don't have any idea what the thing was for, so if I can get my hands on some more images, anyone want a limited edition "hedgehog toy" votive. What all good pagans are giving this Yule. :)
blessings
ffetcher
watersprite
November 3rd, 2008, 02:39 PM
With the exception of preservation, why are we importing animals and plants? The British don't need our squirrels, like we don't need those black "grackles." Or the Kudzu plants along certain highways that just took over and killed native plants. It doesn't make sense to me.
_Banbha_
November 3rd, 2008, 03:11 PM
The squirrels might have been bought over as pets and released later. They are considered a problem in certain areas in the US too.
We have European Starlings in America that started as colonial time pets. They've done lots of damage to local song birds and are considered vermin by many and are not protected.
http://www.surfbirds.com/blogs/Frampton25/archives/Starlings-NIKON-009.jpg
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