Magic powders in the Caballist tradition?

[Godgifu]

Hello everyone. I have heard that sometimes magic powders -- I assume made from herbs and minerals -- are used in Caballist magic, and yet I cannot seem to find any more info on it. What kind of powders are used and how are they used?

[Xander67]

I think you might have been misinformed.

Any type of powder or potion that may be used would be more so for the purposes of the ritual or spell.

The Qaballa is Wisdom meant for development of the soul.

[Godgifu]

Well, I think indeed in any tradition a spell powder gets used for the spell and is not itself the religion :) But what ways would they be used in Caballist spellworkings/ritual magic? (Assuming I'm not misinformed that those exist?)

[Xander67]

Maybe one of the others here can help you out, as far as I know, a cabbalist is someone who practices magic who may use knowledge he or she obained through their study of caballa.

Caballa is not a magic tradition, it is mysticism which is meant to learn the laws of the universe.

anyone who claims to perform "cabbalist magic" is missrepresenting what the caballah is.

However, I do know what you are talking about, and you may have better luck looking into some of Alister Crowely's works.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Maybe one of the others here can help you out, as far as I know, a cabbalist is someone who practices magic who may use knowledge he or she obained through their study of caballa.

Caballa is not a magic tradition, it is mysticism which is meant to learn the laws of the universe.

anyone who claims to perform "cabbalist magic" is missrepresenting what the caballah is.

However, I do know what you are talking about, and you may have better luck looking into some of Alister Crowely's works.

Perhaps I may be of assistance...

A "caballist" , or one who studies the Qabalah , may , or may not ,
use the knowledge strictly for development of the soul...

As Xander states , there are those who utilize knowledge gained
through their studies of Gematria , or linkages by word and also
number patterns , as well correspondences thus formed in one's
personal cosmology , for the purpose of magic / magick / mgieck...

One may even chant a string of numbers , which are understood
by personal cosmology , to have deep implicate meanings , by
inter - relation , to achieve explicate results...manifestation...:bigredgri

If one understands the Qabalah - Kcebealla as I do , through the
framework I am very familiar with , one may write number letter
word phrase formulas , tapping into ancestral memory , and the
morphogenetic field , to gain information regarding a spell , or
other workings...

As far as herbs , incenses , potions , etc....

Associations are formed through the understandings of color ,
scent , texture , temperment , and so on...as well number...

Planetary magick , is a main example...certain metals , or herbs ,
have been associated , with these "spheres of influence"...

Remember , a rationalist , would claim no associations exist...

It is the "magickal mindset" , making the "magickal link" , as
a pattern in the Web of Weyyrd , or net of synchronicity...

Are there truly linkages existant , though unseen and unfelt , by
most ?

Many of us who practice , or are adepts , would state so...

Via empirical proof laws ?...:bigredgri

No , I do not think so...:uhhuhuh:

Regardless , as Xander said...check Crowley , for a beginning...

His reference , is titled 777...

Also , Google "lists of magical correspondences"...

Try "Witches Cauldron" also...

She has a good section on herbs and potions , and correspondences...

Good fortune in your search , and workings...:thumbsup:

[Godgifu]

The reason for my curiosity on caballist powders in particular, is I'm a hoodoo practitioner and had read that some of the uses of magic powders in hoodoo were influenced by Caballah. I was hoping to find what kind of influences those might have been.

[Hylomorphic]

That might be true. If it is, it's probably through Qaballistic correspondences. As Shawn Blackwolf points out, the best place to start would be Crowley's Liber 777. Tables XLII and XLIII may be what you're looking for.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

The reason for my curiosity on caballist powders in particular, is I'm a hoodoo practitioner and had read that some of the uses of magic powders in hoodoo were influenced by Caballah. I was hoping to find what kind of influences those might have been.

Understood...

And I did give you your answer...please reread my last post ,
as many times as necessary , then do the research suggested...

I personally have shown some practitioners specific formulas ,
by number , and letter correspondence , used to create certain
particular spells...they were blown away , to see there were
some initiated into the knowledge in ancient cultures , or some
who tapped in , and were informed by Spirit Helpers...

Qabalah , and Kcebealla , must be studied , to understand...

You can not stand outside the Temple , is an old saying...

For good reason...:thumbsup:

Again...blessings on your path...

( And thank you , Hylomorphic )

[Godgifu]

I looked at the Liber 777 charts specified, the items were of interest, thanks. The thing I was more hoping to get some information on was how the powders are used -- if they get sprinkled on things, used to make designs, employed for candle dressings or what have you.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I looked at the Liber 777 charts specified, the items were of interest, thanks. The thing I was more hoping to get some information on was how the powders are used -- if they get sprinkled on things, used to make designs, employed for candle dressings or what have you.

Well...that is a little more specific...

Again , though , it would vary , according to spell being
utilized...it is not standardized , rather more spell specific...

I have used powdered amber resin in a Sun spell...

To draw a seal , on an altar...

And used candle dressing of rose oil , for Venus ritual...

And mixed herbs for other spells , or crushed minerals together...

All formulas from Qabalah - Kcebealla tradition...

Again , though...personal cosmology , developed from one's own understandings of magickal linkages , is more important than by
"rote" methodologies , in this tradition of magick...

Qabalah - Kcebealla , is mind magick / mgieck , as well , by the
physical expression of outer ritual...thus one's own connections
on the inner planes , are most important...

Mind influences reality...physical correspondences , add to the pot
so to speak...:thumbsup:

That help ?

[Godgifu]

Yes, thanks for the info :) Also if anyone else has experiences with them, I'd like to hear how they were deployed.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Okay...

I am all for other's information...:uhhuhuh:

And to help you further understand...:)

An example from my tradition...

Using Gematria...from Obri - Runic , and a set of rune
symbols , associated with the "inner light" , by whatever
other name...also in correspondence to the back , and spine...

This set of nine symbols , has a number value...399...

Now , 399 , may be broken down into smaller numbers ,
with words associated with those numbers...

Just for the record...

399 = Smoke Over Humann Body

399 = Sage And Cedar

399 = Smudging A Person + Blessing

Now , another number set we use , equals 2212...

So...next formula...

To Heal = 62

Chant = 74

And = 44

Writ = 416

Runes = 356

399 ( sum of set of previous symbols above )

Over = 100

Back = 5

While = 74

Smudging = 92

Person = 83

With = 110

Sage And Cedar = 399

= 2212

So...I have written a Qabalah - Kcebealla formula ,
which tells me what to use , and how to do ritual...

By smudging a person with sage and cedar , and
writing and chanting runes over back , while doing so...

Of course...I can then go back , and write more formulas ,
to give me further information...:bigredgri

See what I mean ?

[Yticilef]

Hello All,

This was an interesting question and I had noted in the 5th and 6th Book of Moses there is references to herbs

THE USE OF THE SEALS.

When these great princes do not appear immediately on the fore going Citations, or if they hesitate in their obedience, then take frank incense and myrrh, and cast them upon burning coals, and when the smoke arises, place the spirit-seal thereon, with the following mysterious words:

I was wondering Shawn what your equivalent or wise insight would be on the Gematria of these herbs as they have so much relevance to other spiritual streams.

Yticilef

[Shawn Blackwolf]

*bows*

Well...

Frankincense = 568

And ( Obri ) = 6

Myrrh = 419

= 993

Our two columns , mother and father , equal 994...

Another boundary...two mother columns , equals 1206...

The bottom two runes , in column , are pronounced "Dea - Monn"

1206 = To Command : Frankincense And Myrrh

And further :

Two mother columns , two father columns , equals : 1988...

1988 = Person + To Command Princes : Frankincense And Myrrh With Seal...

That give you something for your data bank ?

...:smileroll...




I was wondering Shawn what your equivalent or wise insight would be on the Gematria of these herbs as they have so much relevance to other spiritual streams.

[Yticilef]

Thank you Shawn- is it just me, and my friends, but have you noticed a heaviness in the atmosphere in the last month- a sort of spiritual heaviness and not of spiritual origin? It created a lassitude that was quite disempowering... or is my imagination running away with me?
Yticilef