Mace Eelenelogon?

[Godgifu]

From Hyatt:


Now, ah'm goin' tuh de watch proposition - dat's a clock jes' de
same, time-keepin'.
Ah kin take dis screw out. An' when ah take dis screw out ah'm
goin' call three names. Ah'm goin' call Mace - Mace Eelenelogon - Mace
Wormwood [Wormwood?].
Now yo' kin screw dis winder [window = watch face] off an' in
screwin' dis winder off, why yo' says, "Now, mah father's turnt his
back on me an' mah mother goin' to kinfolks." Say, "Ah want him to
come right beside me, cut off mah enemies - dey cut off mah money, dey
did so-an'-so-an'-so. An' ah want dem tuh love me an' want dem to come
back tuh givin' me like dey should." Wish. "Well," [ah] says, "ah'm
goin' pull out Faith, Hope an' Charity, an' ah'm insert yo' an' if it
tickles, ah want dere hearts tuh be gittin' stronger an' stronger
towards me."
Pull out three strands [of hair] out de mole [mold] of yore head
an' put it in dere an' screw dat back down in dere. It ain't goin'
hurt it. An' time dis little watch, "Tick, tick, tick." See, keep it
wound up, "Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick."
In 24 hours yore father an' mother done wired fo' yo', "Son, come
home, we wants tuh see yo' mightly bad." Yes - yo' gotta go, too.


Mace, Mace Eelenelogon and Mace Wormwood? Does anyone recognize what those names are of/from?

[Teresa]

From Hyatt:



Mace, Mace Eelenelogon and Mace Wormwood? Does anyone recognize what those names are of/from?

Well wormwood is an herb as is mace. They could be names of family members of that person perhaps. I have read Hyatt and some of the writings are hard to decipher. Sometimes we try to over think what the people meant too. Of course this is just my experience on the subject.

Could be Eilene long gone? /shrug

[Artiste-LiLi]

Could also be from a local dialect.

There could be numerous ways to pronounce this word "Mace": "May-suh", "Mah-see", "Mah-seeuh", "May-see/sea", "May-seeuh".

Much would depend upon where the speaker was from...their physical locale (for example...were they Gullah?), their tribal associations, how many generations removed from African, Hatian, etc practices...and we're not even going to go into physical possibilities such as..did they have teeth?

As Teresa has said, Mace is a spice...Wormwood is a "spice" of sorts and in proper dosage/concentrations a psychedelic/psychotrophic drug. Though there is the possibility that "Mace" could be a form of "Master"? (rather than a spice?)

Eelenelogon: possibly a Lwa or Ibo? possibly and ancestor or ancient?

Wormwood: in the Book of Revelation, a star that falls upon Earth and poisons one-third of the waters. Wormwood is also connected with the image of "waste lands" so perhaps the reference is to an image or ideal rather than an actual plant, star, person.

Plus, one must bear in mind that not all of the people Hyatt spoke with were completely honest. Some purposefully gave misleading information.

[Godgifu]

Plus, one must bear in mind that not all of the people Hyatt spoke with were completely honest. Some purposefully gave misleading information.

Nearly broke out a fistfight when I brought that up in a Hyatt discussion recently ;) Some people don't think that any of his informants were purposly lying and actually appear to find it disrespectful to them to even think such things.

Anyway, the Mace informant appears to have been from Waycross, Georgia, if that helps decipher the dialect.

[Teresa]

Hummmmmmm, now I am thinking. Let me check something with a friend who comes from an Ifa background. There is a festival that came to mind when I read what AL wrote that they celebrate in Africa. He may understand what these words mean. Its worth a shot at any rate.

[Artiste-LiLi]

Hummmmmmm, now I am thinking. Let me check something with a friend who comes from an Ifa background. There is a festival that came to mind when I read what AL wrote that they celebrate in Africa. He may understand what these words mean. Its worth a shot at any rate.

Good idea Teresa!:thumbsup: He may be able to shed some light.

Waycross Georgia huh? I have a friend who lived there at one time.....it is a fairly southern accent...but not deep DEEP southern...of course, who's to say the man didn't move to Waycross at some time from elsewhere. Waycross is not that far from the South Carolina border..I used to go through S.C. on my way to Waycross.

There is just something that keeps tickling at the edges of my mind in regards to the word "Eelenelogon" and it has to do with "deity", but for the life of me I can't grab hold of it............you know.....kind of like having a word "on the tip of your tongue"??????

I'll keep looking and if I find something or if I can bring that "tickle" to the fore...I'll post that.

[Teresa]

Good idea Teresa!:thumbsup: He may be able to shed some light.

Waycross Georgia huh? I have a friend who lived there at one time.....it is a fairly southern accent...but not deep DEEP southern...of course, who's to say the man didn't move to Waycross at some time from elsewhere. Waycross is not that far from the South Carolina border..I used to go through S.C. on my way to Waycross.

There is just something that keeps tickling at the edges of my mind in regards to the word "Eelenelogon" and it has to do with "deity", but for the life of me I can't grab hold of it............you know.....kind of like having a word "on the tip of your tongue"??????

I'll keep looking and if I find something or if I can bring that "tickle" to the fore...I'll post that.

There is a Festival held in Nigeria every year. The Egungun are the ancestral spirits that are celebrated and honored during this festival. Something about that word reminds me of Yoruban words and some names I have heard thus far. I will be speaking with my friend tomorrow when I have my next language lesson, so I hope to know if we can shed light on this soon from that angle at least. I too feel that it has something to do with a deity or an Ancestral Spirit. You realize how much I hate an unsolved mystery so I am going to keep trying to help figure this out. That could be my OCD though. /giggle :thumbsup:

[Teresa]

Nearly broke out a fistfight when I brought that up in a Hyatt discussion recently ;) Some people don't think that any of his informants were purposly lying and actually appear to find it disrespectful to them to even think such things.

Anyway, the Mace informant appears to have been from Waycross, Georgia, if that helps decipher the dialect.

I am of the unpopular opinion that some of the informants did intentionally mislead and lie to protect something they felt strongly about needing such secrecy. I hate getting into the debates but living around Hoodoo practitioners and growing up in it makes it easier to see some of the flaws in things that have been printed. Just my 2 copper on the subject of course.

[Artiste-LiLi]

I am of the unpopular opinion that some of the informants did intentionally mislead and lie to protect something they felt strongly about needing such secrecy. I hate getting into the debates but living around Hoodoo practitioners and growing up in it makes it easier to see some of the flaws in things that have been printed. Just my 2 copper on the subject of course.

I'm with you on this one (as you probably noted from my earlier comment). I know just from my familial tradition that we don't share everything. We have "secrets" and "mysteries" and we DON'T share them...we will even mislead people regarding those mysteries so that our "secrets" stay within our line. I have not read all of Hyatt (though i'd dearly love to), but I have seen bits and pieces here and there....and some of it is the same as some things in my family tradition to the letter and it is absolutely correct.......but some....is the same with a thing or two wrong, things that I KNOW are outright misleading.

[Teresa]

I have not read all of Hyatt (though i'd dearly love to), but I have seen bits and pieces here and there....and some of it is the same as some things in my family tradition to the letter and it is absolutely correct.......but some....is the same with a thing or two wrong, things that I KNOW are outright misleading.

Exactly !:thumbsup: I too understand that there are certain things that will never be shared with outsiders. That is just how things are.

[Teresa]

Well we both think that the word is not really spelled properly and he can not think of any off hand right now that it could be related to. So sounds like a dead end from this area. I will ask a Jamacian co-worker if the word means anything to him and also run it past a Haitian friend after Thanksgiving.

[Artiste-LiLi]

Well we both think that the word is not really spelled properly and he can not think of any off hand right now that it could be related to. So sounds like a dead end from this area. I will ask a Jamacian co-worker if the word means anything to him and also run it past a Haitian friend after Thanksgiving.


I know the spelling is incorrect....but there is still something sniggling at the corners of my brain in regards to how that spelling sounds when you think it or roll it off the tongue............I KNOW there is a connection...and I know that in time (probably at 3 a.m. one morning, much to my dismay) the connection will be made. lol!

[Teresa]

ma ce e le ne log on is what keeps rolling in my head. I am not good at writing in phonics. I tried pronouncing this to my friend so he could think of what it is related to. I think I will try again tomorrow since he will be over to partake of Thanksgiving festivities here! :thumbsup: