Wow!

[Carri]

I have just finished reading the Satanic Bible. Okay, I'm a Christian, and I struggled with the fact that I found myself agreeing with a lot of what read, and how logical it was. I was quite surprised at myself and I just wanted to share.

[Rudas Starblaze]

congrats and yep, its a good read. :thumbsup:

most people think satanism is about devil worship and sacrificing babies and virgins and raising demons to take over the earth.

its not. its about humanism. :smile:

[tooltb120]

There's nothing wrong with that.You just have to go with what your heart and mind tell you.I'm not Christian but agree with some stuff in the Bible,and probally some stuff in the Satanic Bible,never read it.Were you expecting to be at odds with everything in that bible?

[Carri]

Honestly, I can't tell you what I was expecting. I've just been reading everything for a couple of years and deciding what I believe for myself not what I've been indoctrinated to believe. But I can tell you I didn't expect to agree with so much of it or find it so logical. It was a true surprise to me. And I thought to myself that you all might enjoy hearing of a Christian who found it a good read. I actually recommended it to another Christian!

[Raxeph]

That's good to hear. :) As Rudas said... it's simply about being human. :uhhuhuh:

[GEBS]

Honestly, I can't tell you what I was expecting. I've just been reading everything for a couple of years and deciding what I believe for myself not what I've been indoctrinated to believe. But I can tell you I didn't expect to agree with so much of it or find it so logical. It was a true surprise to me. And I thought to myself that you all might enjoy hearing of a Christian who found it a good read. I actually recommended it to another Christian!



:thumbsup: Good for you! I imagine there are a lot of people out there that would feel the same way if they had the courage to read the book. It is a big step, especially for a Christian. Congrats to you for thinking for yourself. :smile:

[Carri]

Thanks guys! I sometimes struggle with not being the typical Christian, But then I don't think I would be advancingforward in my spiritually much if I was. And its taken me 40 years to learn to think for myself so maybe better late than never would be more appropiate!http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/steelxrose/embarassed.gif But I really enjoyed it and feel I learned much from it. Honestly I think Mr. LaVey had a better understanding of how a Christian really should behave than most ministers. But then again it was completely safe for Mr. LaVey to see the expectations clearly, A Christian has to be careful with how they interpret what is expected of them because they would then have to live it! Better not hold themself to too high of standards!

But the humanism was just so mentally healthy! You don't often see someone who has such a real grasp on healthy psychology.

[Stormbeard]

congrats and yep, its a good read. :thumbsup:

most people think satanism is about devil worship and sacrificing babies and virgins and raising demons to take over the earth.

And they'd be right.

[Cunae]

I am too spooked about the book to even touch it. That maybe sounds ignorant, but it's part of my belief in talisman. I just won't go there. (maybe if it was called something else? How can people *not* consider it demon worship with that title???)

A beautiful read is the Qu'ran, at least parts of it. Very poetic. So much love and respect for God. Christians can learn a lot about that from Islam.

Are you willing to try the Book of Mormon? I think of it as poorly written sci-fi.

I think Christians should experiment with what they read. I know some who read only the self-help mind-numbing books by people like Max Lucado. Read a couple, not all of them! One on relating to others, one on death. That'll be enough. After that, it's all the same!

IMHO, of course.

CC

[Stormbeard]

I am too spooked about the book to even touch it. That maybe sounds ignorant, but it's part of my belief in talisman. I just won't go there. (maybe if it was called something else? How can people *not* consider it demon worship with that title???)

Ugh.

[Sage Rainsong]

I am too spooked about the book to even touch it. That maybe sounds ignorant, but it's part of my belief in talisman. I just won't go there. (maybe if it was called something else? How can people *not* consider it demon worship with that title???)



I don't know, I think that the cover is kind of sexy.

[Darth Brooks]

Ummm...What's wrong with demon worship? The Ordo Flammeus Serpens Demonolatry folks seem pretty friendly to me.

http://www.ofs-demonolatry.org/

And yes, it's a real website, and yes, they're serious.

I think The Satanic Bible is a reasonably good read. And the best thing about the title is that it sells. LaVey was no dummy.

[Cunae]

Please don't get me wrong... I am not criticizing anything anyone wants to worship. Too many Christians do that. It's just not for me.

CC

[Sage Rainsong]

Ummm...What's wrong with demon worship? The Ordo Flammeus Serpens Demonolatry folks seem pretty friendly to me.

http://www.ofs-demonolatry.org/

And yes, it's a real website, and yes, they're serious.

I think The Satanic Bible is a reasonably good read. And the best thing about the title is that it sells. LaVey was no dummy.

Michael Ford actually does a lot of working with demonic spirits also.

[Caitlin.ann]

I am too spooked about the book to even touch it. That maybe sounds ignorant, but it's part of my belief in talisman. I just won't go there. (maybe if it was called something else? How can people *not* consider it demon worship with that title???)

A beautiful read is the Qu'ran, at least parts of it. Very poetic. So much love and respect for God. Christians can learn a lot about that from Islam.

Are you willing to try the Book of Mormon? I think of it as poorly written sci-fi.

I think Christians should experiment with what they read. I know some who read only the self-help mind-numbing books by people like Max Lucado. Read a couple, not all of them! One on relating to others, one on death. That'll be enough. After that, it's all the same!

IMHO, of course.

CC

Its not about demon worship at all! Read the book, its more about sefl-worship than demons. I understand when you're coming from, when I was a Christian I had the same apprehensions about paganism in general, but I promise if you step out of that protective bubble of yours you'll be grateful for it.

[Stormbeard]

Please don't get me wrong... I am not criticizing anything anyone wants to worship. Too many Christians do that. It's just not for me.

CC
Well done, you've successfully judged a book by its cover.

[Goddess Rhiannon]

I bet you have waited a lifetime to use that phrase....lol

[Darth Brooks]

Michael Ford actually does a lot of working with demonic spirits also.

True, that. :uhhuhuh: I haven't read very many of his books yet, though. I'm still tripping through Crowley (pun intended).

[aranarose]

If the cover creeps you out, you can read it free online ;) You might be pleasantly surprised. Or not. But at least you'll be expanding your horizons, and will be better able to understand those that follow that path.

[Cunae]

Its not about demon worship at all! Read the book, its more about sefl-worship than demons. I understand when you're coming from, when I was a Christian I had the same apprehensions about paganism in general, but I promise if you step out of that protective bubble of yours you'll be grateful for it.

I appreciate your point but I hardly live in a "protective bubble". The Christian label doesn't make me any less curious than other people. And a fair number of us have lived pretty wild lives before the decision to claim Christ. I did a lot of self-worship in those days, too. Now I am into the example He gave us.

It's just not what I want to explore right now because I don't want to go there. That doesn't make me closed-minded or sheltered, believe me! I think most people have boundaries of some kind.

CC

[Caitlin.ann]

I appreciate your point but I hardly live in a "protective bubble". The Christian label doesn't make me any less curious than other people. And a fair number of us have lived pretty wild lives before the decision to claim Christ. I did a lot of self-worship in those days, too. Now I am into the example He gave us.

It's just not what I want to explore right now because I don't want to go there. That doesn't make me closed-minded or sheltered, believe me! I think most people have boundaries of some kind.

CC

ROFL! It wasn't on your basis of faith that I said "protective bubble" it was that the cover of a book creeped you out that I said so. All Satanic Bibles that I have seen are plain black with a symbol on them..whats so creepy about that?

I think the issue is that you assume that because you're Christian we're saying what we are. It has nothing to do with the religion you observe and everything to do with your earlier posts. :)

[Cunae]

The protective bubble thing seemed like an assumption about what I want to explore. We all have boundaries of some kind, right?

I know a girl who's is big on the satanic bible and I already know it's about self-worship because I've discussed it with her at length. I've discussed it with other people. IMHO, there's a direct correlation between Satan and self-worship and the title doesn't deny that.

CC

[Caitlin.ann]

Huh?? I read this four times and have no clue what you're saying.

The protective bubble thing seemed like an assumption about what I am want to explore. I know a girl who's is big on the satanic bible and I already know it's about self-worship. To me, there's a direct correlation between Satan and self-worship and the title doesn't deny that.

CC

*shrugs* It was the whole "creep factor" post which brought me to make the aforementioned comments. I have made no assumptions about what you "want" to explore whatsoever. Is self-worship bad in your opinion? Just wondering.

[Wolf O Volos]

"Too much self worshipping can make you go Blind!"

( as quoted from one of the many interesting people from my past at a private catholic elementary school :lol: )

[Cunae]

*shrugs* It was the whole "creep factor" post which brought me to make the aforementioned comments. I have made no assumptions about what you "want" to explore whatsoever. Is self-worship bad in your opinion? Just wondering.

To me and for me, yes. Christ gave Himself entirely for those who claim Him and my worship is to Him alone. Getting out of self in many recovery programs is considered healthy as well.

Would you say the satanic bible is talking about narcissism? I just don't see how that can be mentally or spiritually healthy.

Why would you say the satanic bible was ever given that title? I have wondered if it wasn't meant as a parody of religion in general and then some people started to take the b.s. seriously.


CC

[Wolf O Volos]

While I am sure it merits discussion, there are many folks who know what it means to follow a christian path. And myself, I think a lot of people have decided against being judemental.

One person's path is another person's roadblock. At the end of the day, spirituality is something deeply personal, and something YOU have to live with and be fullfilled by.

If you think the Love of Christ, and the examples he set for others, as told by the bible, is what makes your life feel worth living and fullfilling in your spirit, then nobody is going to be ABLE to judge you that you don't allow in. Just as well, Most folks who have decided on other paths in this life that seem to speak to their spirits know on a deeper, personal level that THEIR path is the one right for them.

Personally, I think any chance to broaden your horizons, and see how others find thier paths to spirituality, is an opportunity that shouldn't be passed up. But if YOU don't want to read the book, then you dont have to, and really dont have to justify yourself, or your beliefs.

Most often, I find that those who have that great need to justify their faith, are those who dont know if the faith that they follow is exactly right for their own spirit. Those who know themselves, and their paths well enough, dont feel a need to justify it at all, because they truley believe, that no matter what another person may think, that it is the proper path for themselves.

Just my 2c woth of observation and opinion. ;)

[Darth Brooks]

To me and for me, yes. Christ gave Himself entirely for those who claim Him and my worship is to Him alone. Getting out of self in many recovery programs is considered healthy as well.

One thing that many Western left hand path initiates do not realize is that in its original Eastern context, the left hand path is about "getting out of self" just as much as the right hand path is. It just uses a different methodology: escape the limitations of the ego by exalting the ego and subsequently exhausting it. This has been mistaken for "ego worship" by many self-described LHPers here in the West, but the way I see it this wasn't LaVey's fault. The misunderstanding seems to go all the way back to Helena Blavatsky.


Would you say the satanic bible is talking about narcissism? I just don't see how that can be mentally or spiritually healthy.I think the Satanic Bible calls for realism when it comes to understanding just who and what one is, and a cursory reading of the text will prove this to be the case. However, there are in fact Satanists who become narcissists - just like there are people in every religion who become narcissists.


Why would you say the satanic bible was ever given that title? I have assumed, deep down, it was really just a parody of religion in general and then some people started to take the bullshit seriously. Many people have said the same thing about Discordianism and the Church of Subgenius, yet it is well known that Discordians and SubGenii are humorously serious (and seriously humorous) about their beliefs. Being serious about one's beliefs does not mean one cannot keep their tongue planted firmly in cheek. Some would argue that LaVey was all the more authentic precisely because he had a sense of humor.

A good book to read about the history of LaVey's church is Dr. Michael Aquino's The Church of Satan (http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf), an online book which is probably the single most extensive research document on the subject. The book contains quite a few interesting tidbits of Satanist history, most especially in the Appendices. However, I should point out that there is a great deal of controversy between Aquino's version of events concerning church issues in 1975 and LaVey's, and for all my own personal research I have never really been able to discover which one of these versions is closer to objective reality. Your guess is as good as mine, and I am not attempting to flare up a Church of Satan/Temple of Set flame war here like there used to be in the bad old days. I'm merely posting the link for you because I do think the book is well worth a read or two, no matter who one is or what faith one follows.

And like I said, the title of the Satanic Bible was likely chosen for one very important purpose: to sell copies of the book. And one of the oldest ways to sell a product is to use some good ol' fashioned shock factor, in the tradition of the carnival freakshow hucksters whom LaVey so loved. People cannot resist buying things they know they shouldn't buy. I think LaVey called it, "the Law of the Forbidden."

[Cunae]

Thanks for that info, Darth. Very well-put. I can learn a lot from you just by following you around here! You make a lot of sense.

Sometimes I have a knee-jerk reaction to something and sometimes I just blow it off. I am closely-related to someone in a fundamentalist faith and they are the ones who would treat the s. bible like it's radioactive waste. Of my own accord, without exposure to this kind of thinking, I would just pick it up and browse.

The odd thing is, and this may belong in a self-help thread, when I started getting into the mystic side of my own faith--belief in talisman, etc--*that's* when the s. bible felt creepy to me.

I am disappointed about that in myself but maybe it's all about exploring the unknown. Still, the faith I still claim warns me about becoming comfortable with evil... the wolves in sheep's clothing... which I think of, ironically, as anti-humanism.

Does any of that make even a morsel of sense???

CC

[Bettie]

the faith I still claim warns me about becoming comfortable with evil... the wolves in sheep's clothing...



But... the Satanic Bible isn't evil... how can you judge a book so negatively without even reading it? :hrmm:

[Caitlin.ann]

To me and for me, yes. Christ gave Himself entirely for those who claim Him and my worship is to Him alone. Getting out of self in many recovery programs is considered healthy as well.

Would you say the satanic bible is talking about narcissism? I just don't see how that can be mentally or spiritually healthy.

Why would you say the satanic bible was ever given that title? I have wondered if it wasn't meant as a parody of religion in general and then some people started to take the b.s. seriously.


CC

Well I can only speak of someone with limited knowledge of Satanism. I think the Satanic Bible talks about Self preservation and living in the here and now instead of waiting for some glorious after life that may or may not exist. If thats considered narcicism then I guess it does. You may not think Satanism is a healthy path to follow mentally or spiritually, just as I don't think many people who follow Christianity is spiritually or mentally healthy, so lets keep this all in perspective shall we? Its all up to personal perception here.

To understand why the Satanic Bible was giving that name you'd have to understand a little about Andon Szandor LaVey, its founder. A lot of the religion is a bit sensationalist in order to mock Christianity and the masses. Hence the name of his book, The Satanic Bible. Since then however, the Satanic movement has outgrown LaVey and there are many in the path who view him quite distastefully.

Of course this is all from a limited knowledge base, other members here who may know more than I are free to comment on what I do or don't have wrong.

[Caitlin.ann]

Thanks for that info, Darth. Very well-put. I can learn a lot from you just by following you around here! You make a lot of sense.

Sometimes I have a knee-jerk reaction to something and sometimes I just blow it off. I am closely-related to someone in a fundamentalist faith and they are the ones who would treat the s. bible like it's radioactive waste. Of my own accord, without exposure to this kind of thinking, I would just pick it up and browse.

The odd thing is, and this may belong in a self-help thread, when I started getting into the mystic side of my own faith--belief in talisman, etc--*that's* when the s. bible felt creepy to me.

I am disappointed about that in myself but maybe it's all about exploring the unknown. Still, the faith I still claim warns me about becoming comfortable with evil... the wolves in sheep's clothing... which I think of, ironically, as anti-humanism.

Does any of that make even a morsel of sense???

CC

Drawing upon my Christian childhood and how I was when I first found Paganism, I can understand what you're saying. Now I understand you're not looking to convert, but the feelings of exploring the unknown are the same. Of course you don't have to look into other faiths including Satanism, however, it may help you mentally and spiritually to understand another point of view. I'm not telling you how to run your spiritual life, just offering advice. Maybe it would strengthen your faith, maybe not. But you are in control of your own spiritual life, and I think it is a bit of a choice whether or not to be swayed by a book or not.

Just my .02.

[GEBS]

CREEDchick, I'm going to share an old blog post I wrote. I don't usually share thoughts like this but I think it could be beneficial to you. I wrote it after some of my family shunned me for my path. I hope that it will help you to see beyond the name.

I am not trying to convince you to convert or even to read. I'm only trying to open your eyes.

[deleted]

[aranarose]

"Too much self worshipping can make you go Blind!"

( as quoted from one of the many interesting people from my past at a private catholic elementary school :lol: )

Well, then I'm in trouble...

The Satanic Bible is a response to Christian hypocrisy. Christianity, in current forms, denies the physical, denies the flesh, claiming it to be corrupt and evil. And yet, the whole while, Christians happily go about gathering more and more physical possessions, the church is constantly seeking money, and doing anything and everything physical that they can.

Satanism is about saying, "I revel in the physical. I am a physical being, and I enjoy the flesh. There is nothing wrong with the flesh."

To be honest, a vast majority of the Christians that I've met are the most hypocritical people that I've ever met. My [ex] Husband's GF is a "Christian." Church three times a week, sings in the choir, plays the piano for them, everything. But she had no problem coming over and huging my husband AND me, the whole while purposely trying to get pregnant so that she could get him to leave me.

And over and over I see Christians with the attitude that sex is bad, our bodies are bad, overindulgence is bad, money is bad, etc... Yet, they're out there trying to get laid with the rest of them, overeating, overdrinking, and overworking with the rest of them.

Satanists that I've met, on the other hand, are honest. They do what they do, they enjoy what they do, and they don't try to deny what they do.

[Miabella]

oh question where could I read this book online *grin
K I am from an old Catholic christian background but I do believe in this life you need to live with an open mind. If your religion gives you a sense of security then so be it for you. But dont judge otheres for what they believer in either.
:thumbsup:

[Darth Brooks]

Sometimes I have a knee-jerk reaction to something and sometimes I just blow it off. I am closely-related to someone in a fundamentalist faith and they are the ones who would treat the s. bible like it's radioactive waste. Of my own accord, without exposure to this kind of thinking, I would just pick it up and browse. Whether or not you decide to learn about Satanism is entirely your own prerogative. Nobody's going to penalize you if you decide to just stay away from it. I think the point that others in this thread have wanted to get across to you is simply that real life Satanism is not the scary thing that is seen in horror movies, which it isn't. I think so long as you can accept this, there really isn't an issue. But reading the book would probably help you to understand why this is the case.


The odd thing is, and this may belong in a self-help thread, when I started getting into the mystic side of my own faith--belief in talisman, etc--*that's* when the s. bible felt creepy to me.I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Can you please elaborate?


I am disappointed about that in myself but maybe it's all about exploring the unknown. Still, the faith I still claim warns me about becoming comfortable with evil... the wolves in sheep's clothing... which I think of, ironically, as anti-humanism. Well one thing's for sure, LaVey's philosophy certainly isn't anti-humanist. It may be somewhat anti-Christian and anti-egalitarian, but it's humanist through-and-through.

[aranarose]

HTML version: http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews5/satanicbible.htm

.pdf version: http://www.hellrockradio.com/downloads/TheSatanicBible.pdf

[Caitlin.ann]

HTML version: http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews5/satanicbible.htm

.pdf version: http://www.hellrockradio.com/downloads/TheSatanicBible.pdf

Thanks, Aranarose..I've wanted to look through it more thoroughly myself.

[Miabella]

thank you :smile:

[aranarose]

I've saved the .pdf version to my hard drive so I can read through it.

This has the bonus of not being on my coffee table, so my family doesn't run screaming from the house...

Well, at least not anymore than they already do...

Voodoo stuff kinda freaks them out :D

[Cunae]

I really appreciate the advice and information you've all given me. I will do some reading on line because I do want to be more informed, to expand my beliefs. Thank you for helping me on this journey.

And I know a lot of Christians are totally hypocritical... and I am sorry about that. Please don't think we're all the same!

The blog is interesting, Gebs. Thank you for sharing it. I wonder, doesn't chosing a way, a path, make it mine then? Just because I am following a path that others are following doesn't make me a sheep... I am not doing so unquestionably. I accepted it because I learned about it and chose it. And that's part of what I am doing here, exploring more about the nature of God and spiritually.

And that's what I meant, Darth. I see the power of God represented in the talisman (crystals, feathers, stones from Pine Ridge and the Black Hills, etc) I have collected. I collected them because I could feel a presence, a connecction to God thru them. I felt that as a small child even... the life in all things. A sense that just because something exists, it has a living presence.

Now I must really sound cracked!

CC

[Darth Brooks]

I really appreciate the advice and information you've all given me. I will do some reading on line because I do want to be more informed, to expand my beliefs. Thank you for helping me on this journey.

And I know a lot of Christians are totally hypocritical... and I am sorry about that. Please don't think we're all the same!

I know better than most in my field that there are such things as good, decent Christians. I've even gotten myself into trouble with other LHPers by defending Christians at times, so don't sweat it. Just your being here proves that you are following Jesus' advice about judging not, lest ye be judged. I like Jesus and I like what he has to say about not judging people, so it's all good. :)


And that's what I meant, Darth. I see the power of God represented in the talisman (crystals, feathers, stones from Pine Ridge and the Black Hills, etc) I have collected. I collected them because I could feel a presence, a connecction to God thru them. I felt that as a small child even... the life in all things. A sense that just because something exists, it has a living presence.


Now I must really sound cracked! Nonsense. That's actually a pretty standard animist doctrine. I don't remember where exactly, but I have heard of Christians adopting animist beliefs before, so it doesn't strike me as "cracked" at all. (I might have come across it in Leo Tolstoy's work, but I'm not sure. I'll have to look it up.) I've met a lot of really weird people on the internet, CreedChick, and so far you don't strike me as being one of them. :)

[Malcolm]

this thread is fun

[Carri]

[quote=aranarose;3764729]

over and over I see Christians with the attitude that sex is bad, our bodies are bad, overindulgence is bad, money is bad, etc... Yet, they're out there trying to get laid with the rest of them, overeating, overdrinking, and overworking with the rest of them.
[quote]

This is exactly what I was trying to say!!! As a Christian (well Rudas called me a Cristo-pagan) I found this book illuminating! How far off the path Christians have gotten is so obvious when you read the book. It gave me a new resolve to live with more integrity. Here is my thought, take it or leave it.... When you are solid in your faith (I am solid in my belief of Jesus, not bible translations and meanings) you can read a book that may not be your faith and still learn from it, possilby strengthen your own faith, but definately open your mind and learn something new.

I would never tell someone who was afraid of the book to read it, but I did tell a friend (who is well grounded in her beliefs) to read it. She actually had a similar reaction to mine.

I learned alot from it but I am sort of a different Christian than those that I know, I'm not judgemental of those of other faiths, I can't tell them they are wrong, they are just different than me, and I'm okay with different. But I do find it hard to respect Christians who spout off how "Christianly" they are but behave like something far from it. They give people like me a bad name, and sharing their faith I am more aware of when they aren't following it. I really don't even get bothered when others who are Christian have problems following it if they aren't going around telling others how they aren't living up to, aren't as good as, or displaying some other form of self promoting/ dissaproving of others type of behaviors. But many Christians see my form of Christianity as wrong.

[Carri]

this thread is fun
I'ms so glad you are enjoying it!:smileroll

[GEBS]

The blog is interesting, Gebs. Thank you for sharing it. I wonder, doesn't chosing a way, a path, make it mine then? Just because I am following a path that others are following doesn't make me a sheep... I am not doing so unquestionably. I accepted it because I learned about it and chose it. And that's part of what I am doing here, exploring more about the nature of God and spiritually.



That is perfect. What I was writing about is the people that never take the time to explore. They accept what they were taught as children from their parents. They never examine those beliefs to see if they make sense. If you chose Christianity that's great. Even if it was taught to you and you still chose it after thought, that is great. The sheep are the ones that never question.

The blog was written after much of my family shunned me for my beliefs. I had talked with them about my path many times. They agreed with me until the found out what it was called.

Most of my family (not my generation and younger) has never questioned their childhood teachings. They liked what I had to say up until they figured out the name.

[Stormbeard]

That is perfect. What I was writing about is the people that never take the time to explore. They accept what they were taught as children from their parents. They never examine those beliefs to see if they make sense. If you chose Christianity that's great. Even if it was taught to you and you still chose it after thought, that is great. The sheep are the ones that never question.

The blog was written after much of my family shunned me for my beliefs. I had talked with them about my path many times. They agreed with me until the found out what it was called.

Most of my family (not my generation and younger) has never questioned their childhood teachings. They liked what I had to say up until they figured out the name.
The name 'Satanism' is not so bad for this reason. It weeds out the weaklings.

Happy to follow along and everything is rosy until challenged. Upon which they turn back and shy away.

[Raxeph]

The name 'Satanism' is not so bad for this reason. It weeds out the weaklings.

Happy to follow along and everything is rosy until challenged. Upon which they turn back and shy away.

Yeah. :) To look aside the shadow... to look the beast in the face and see something that really isn't scary after all, to see that the beast is oneself, and merely natural. Does the person have the courage to conquer their fear and... be themselves?

[Modesty]

If you'd like to know more about Satanism and it's founder, Anton LaVey, message me privately and I will gladly discuss it with you.

[Modesty]

I don't see a link to any blog anywhere. Says on Gebs post that it was deleted.

Anyways, I picked up the Satanic Bible back when I was 15 at a bookstore in Madera, California. Have had it ever since. When LaVey died, there were several other writers from the Satanic Church that published books on Satanism. You should check out (if interested of course), "Essay's in Satanism" by James D. Sass, "The Satanic Scriptures" by Peter H. Gilmore, "Bearing the Devil's Mark" by Magister Matt G. Paradise, and visit http://www.purgingtalon.com for more information.



I really appreciate the advice and information you've all given me. I will do some reading on line because I do want to be more informed, to expand my beliefs. Thank you for helping me on this journey.

And I know a lot of Christians are totally hypocritical... and I am sorry about that. Please don't think we're all the same!

The blog is interesting, Gebs. Thank you for sharing it. I wonder, doesn't chosing a way, a path, make it mine then? Just because I am following a path that others are following doesn't make me a sheep... I am not doing so unquestionably. I accepted it because I learned about it and chose it. And that's part of what I am doing here, exploring more about the nature of God and spiritually.

And that's what I meant, Darth. I see the power of God represented in the talisman (crystals, feathers, stones from Pine Ridge and the Black Hills, etc) I have collected. I collected them because I could feel a presence, a connecction to God thru them. I felt that as a small child even... the life in all things. A sense that just because something exists, it has a living presence.

Now I must really sound cracked!

CC