Psychological magic

[Toby Stimpson]

Hey all,

I have been delving into and practicing recently a form of magic that relies heavily on the psyche of the intended recipient.

I modified a Santeria form of the Gris Gris bag, where by a bag of different symbols and elements are placed together in a pouch or bag. I've become very interested lately in talismans and amulets, and have been looking deeper into cultural symbolism and the meanings we ascribe mundane objects like coins, buttons, thimbles, condoms etc,.

So what I did was, as a birthday gift, created a pouch filled with physical symbols with a list of what each item meant, based on some cultural meanings and superstitions. The girl in question is Japanese, and so I used both western and japanese symbols. I instructed my friend to keep the bag around in her room where she slept and keep all the objects together. I gave her a list of the items, and these are the things I included:

Salt: For physical purity.
Hacky sac: To bring more fun to your life.
Thimble: To protect you in the workplace
Rabbit foot: For luck.
Shell: For the protection of your house, and
physical defense.
Dice: For good decisions
Buddha: For attracting compassion
String: For versatility
Knot: For unbroken promises.
Button: For
Locket: To ward off sickness
Wheel: To help move forward in tough situations.
Ladybug: To ensure your safe return home.
Cross: For protect against evil.
Condom: For sexual protection
Ring: For love.
Lemon Jade: For long life
Coin: For money.
G : For Divine protection (written in gold on paper)
Hematite: To be emotionally grounded.


My question for all of you is, has anyone ever done something like this? And if so, what affects has it caused, or are there things that worked particularly well?

[Carri]

Sounds like a very thoughtful gift. What was the button for? And I have never done anything like this before, sorry, wish I could help you.

[)O( ~ Khara~ )O(]

It looks a bit similar to bags that are given for housewarming, births and such. Maybe a bit more stuff. It's a really nice thing to do and those I've done in the past have all had positive results.

[Toby Stimpson]

This was just one bag I made up. I mean I can definitly see how this could be negetive or positive depending on what psychological associations you sow into someone's mind. Like the thimble could also be spun in a negetive way and attract all the defence to it so that the person will get pricked everytime?

I was wondering though what are your thoughts on sewing the intention into the understanding and belief of the intendant? Harnessing their psychological power for your own ends?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I was wondering though what are your thoughts on sewing the intention into the understanding and belief of the intendant? Harnessing their psychological power for your own ends?

Toby ... Could you restate the question , please ?

I am not quite grasping your intent...I do know you mean to
"sow" , not "sew" , intent , regarding the person you are
gifting the bag to...a form of "metaprogramming" , via the
symbolism , and meaning , you attach to the objects...

But the part I have bolded...I am not quite getting...

Thank you...

[Cassie]

I was wondering though what are your thoughts on sewing the intention into the understanding and belief of the intendant? Harnessing their psychological power for your own ends?
I think 'sewing the intention into the understanding and belief of the intendant and thus harnessing their own psychological power' is a very effective technique whatever ends you have in mind.
The difficult part is really tuning into their beliefs and understanding rather than being mislead by your own view of them.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Note :

To sow intention...

To sew a bag...

Just sayin'...:bigredgri

[Toby Stimpson]

Well the idea I am getting at is appealing to an individual's beliefs, whether they be through superstition or telling them what the symbols mean... and using their mental belief as an energy source to keep powering the spell. If that makes sense. Kind of preparing them through some kind of explanation or something else to power the spell so that they themselves are bringing the things into their lives... and the physical symbols being more as reminders. Kind of like the secret... placing an idea out there in order to have it returned to you. But the difference being that you create that intent for someone by suggestion. if that makes any sense



Toby ... Could you restate the question , please ?

I am not quite grasping your intent...I do know you mean to
"sow" , not "sew" , intent , regarding the person you are
gifting the bag to...a form of "metaprogramming" , via the
symbolism , and meaning , you attach to the objects...

But the part I have bolded...I am not quite getting...

Thank you...

[Toby Stimpson]

I think 'sewing the intention into the understanding and belief of the intendant and thus harnessing their own psychological power' is a very effective technique whatever ends you have in mind.
The difficult part is really tuning into their beliefs and understanding rather than being mislead by your own view of them.

Mhm you make a good point. But I wonder if, unless their beliefs are strong, beliefs can change? If you can create a belief in the bag and not so much trying to convince them of magic in general would be more affective? I think that it would make it easier if you do choose culturally specific symbols. Like a rabbit's foot is a common symbol, but something even more mundane might be easier. A coin for someone represents money, and so that representation in their mind and association would be what needs to be strengthened

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well the idea I am getting at is appealing to an individual's beliefs, whether they be through superstition or telling them what the symbols mean... and using their mental belief as an energy source to keep powering the spell. If that makes sense. Kind of preparing them through some kind of explanation or something else to power the spell so that they themselves are bringing the things into their lives... and the physical symbols being more as reminders. Kind of like the secret... placing an idea out there in order to have it returned to you. But the difference being that you create that intent for someone by suggestion. if that makes any sense

Thank you...now I can answer...

Yes...this is along the lines of both mind control techniques ,
or neuro - linguistic programming...

Reinforced by sensate objects ...:uhhuhuh:

[Toby Stimpson]

mhm :)

So then the question comes back Shawn...

what are your thoughts on this?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

mhm :)

So then the question comes back Shawn...

what are your thoughts on this?

Well...my first response is :

"And just what are you plotting , young sir" ?

...:bigredgri...LOL...

My second thought , is along the lines of yes , possible...

Scrupulous ?

Only if they are informed you wish to harness their power...

This is also what I was asking , previously...Why , do you
want to do this ?

[Toby Stimpson]

My intention is more around attracting things to them... the main intention is not to use them. Obviously it is to explore and look into symbolism and it's interconnection to magic

[Shawn Blackwolf]

My intention is more around attracting things to them... the main intention is not to use them. Obviously it is to explore and look into symbolism and it's interconnection to magic

We are speaking then , of semantic reality , interwoven with
graphic reality...along with sensate reality...

I would look into certain hypnosis , and NLP techniques...

Brymble is one of our members , with NLP experience...

And perhaps have them hold , or focus on objects , during process...

[Happydeadkitty]

Well the idea I am getting at is appealing to an individual's beliefs, whether they be through superstition or telling them what the symbols mean... and using their mental belief as an energy source to keep powering the spell. If that makes sense. Kind of preparing them through some kind of explanation or something else to power the spell so that they themselves are bringing the things into their lives... and the physical symbols being more as reminders. Kind of like the secret... placing an idea out there in order to have it returned to you. But the difference being that you create that intent for someone by suggestion. if that makes any sense

I think I understand what you mean. You're not doing it for your own gain, but for theirs. And for them to understand the spell to keep it fed. Sounds similar to a wedding gift I gave once. I think it was very thoughtful of you.

HDK

[Deerwoman]

I made a similar charm for my hubby. He is a musician but lacks confidence in himself. So I made him a traditional Vodun blues boy special with my own tweaks - I sewed the bag itself in the shape of a bull as his patron deity is Dionysus - god of music, wine and dance. I filled it with objects pertaining to his music: one of his guitar pics, a piece ripped from a music studio coupon, a silver guitar charm, gemstones for ambition and bringing dreams to fruition as well as other bits and pieces... It's a very psychological charm and it's traditional for only the owner of the charm to touch it or it loses its power. This way the owner knows what's inside their mojo bag and it can effect them psychologically. A charm made with intention, for a specific intent, and then given to the person with more intention and they carry it on from there. I love making mojo bags and charms like this, folk-magic makes me happy.

He's now recording his first solo album and his very talented musician friends keep offering to help him out...

[cydira]

Well the idea I am getting at is appealing to an individual's beliefs, whether they be through superstition or telling them what the symbols mean... and using their mental belief as an energy source to keep powering the spell. If that makes sense. Kind of preparing them through some kind of explanation or something else to power the spell so that they themselves are bringing the things into their lives... and the physical symbols being more as reminders. Kind of like the secret... placing an idea out there in order to have it returned to you. But the difference being that you create that intent for someone by suggestion. if that makes any sense

Isn't this bolded part how 90% of the spell-craft performed upon others, that actually is successful, functions? While J.G. Frazer's anthropology in his book the Golden Bough (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/index.htm) is a bit questionable, his discussion of how sympathetic magic works probably is the best that I've ever encountered. And I must say, this sounds a lot like a summarized version of that discussion.