Semantic And Graphic Reality

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Something I have found fascinating in my studies...

In utilizing the , as we call it , in my Tradition...

"Obri Qabalah / Runic Kcebealla"

I discovered the number values of certain words to be ,
at the minimum , extremely interesting , if not to be
outright "illuminating"...for instance...

Semantic = 184

System = 183

Languages = 183

While that was an "Ahah" moment , what followed , was
only even more so , in combination...:uhhuhuh:

Graphic = 316

Universe = 316

Formation = 315

So , what we can say , given this information...

Is as follows :

Semantic + Graphic = Universe System

So...here is my question...

How many of you link a sound to a letter , and
vibrate that sound , while visualizing the letter ?

( NOT JUST SYMBOLS...Letters , specifically )

What have been your experiences ?

One of the "sacred numbers" , in my Tradition , is 994...

Two columns of Runes...eight , each column...sum 994 ;

Interestingly , in Obri / Hebrew...and Runic , combined...

Holding = 47 ( Obri )

Letter = 79 ( Obri )

In = 190 ( Obri )

Mind = 69 ( Runic )

While = 74 ( Obri )

Making = 375 ( Obri )

Sound = 160 ( Obri )

= 994

Further , I find it interesting :

Holding Letter Inside = 316 ( See above )

Holding Letter In Mind = 385 = Assiah ( The Material World )

Thoughts , anyone ?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Let's take this one step further ;

Pictographic = 502

( note : Picto = 186 = shape = phase = back of head )

Symbol = 176

( 176 = blood )

So ...

Pictographic Symbol = 678

And 678 + 315 = 993

( Formation , or Universe , or Graphic , all relating , here )

Yet , another of our "sacred numbers" , is 1495...

The sum of the 22 letters of Obri / Hebrew , or the Runic
equivalents...

Looking At Pictographic Symbol , While Making Semantic
Tone = 1496...

By adding to the sum of 1495 ( +1 , -1 ) , this tells us this
is a method which is keyed to working with energy , and
manifest formational energies , in this system...

Of course , there is more...but first...

Thoughts , anyone ?

[Morred]

Semantic = 184

System = 183

Languages = 183

While that was an "Ahah" moment , what followed , was
only even more so , in combination...

Graphic = 316

Universe = 316

Formation = 315

So , what we can say , given this information...

Is as follows :

Semantic + Graphic = Universe System

So the meaning would be, picture and meaning together make the system of the universe? Please correct me if I understood wrongly, but I'm not very familiar with your system and just trying to wrap my head around it.:cool:

Let me get this first before I comment any further...

And would this also work if you used another language than English to transform into numbers?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Morning , Morred...( least for me...:smileroll )

Let me get my Cappuccino first , for this one...:bigredgri

Give me about 1/2 hour...:uhhuhuh:

And good questions...goes pretty deep...but that is Qabalah ,
and Gematria , in any language...:hahugh:

[Morred]

I would never push anybody to do something fast in early morning hours....take your time! :crown:
And what I mean is, would it give the same numbers, if you would use, say, Spanish or German?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

And what I mean is, would it give the same numbers, if you would use, say, Spanish or German?


Oh , I was aware that was what you were asking , Morred...

One of the most common questions which arise , with my
students , offline , and on...as well , on message boards...

So...no , not the same number value , at all ( normally )

However , in all my years of experience , working with
the code system of Gematria , within similar number
boundaries , I could take words from any language ,
translate them back into the base language of the code ,
get number values...subtract those words from one of
the number boundaries of the code...

And from the remainder left , if any , different information
would be obtained about whatever you were seeking , and
working with...such as if I used the word "Cat" , spelled
in ten languages , each formula would give me more info
about cat...from each symbol , making the word , sum of
the word , remainder number from a boundary , etc.

But that is not the focus of the thread , though I do hope
that helps...:thumbsup:

What I am really wanting to explore here , is the concept ,
and experiential reality , of those who work with sound
and letter symbols , combined...

I am merely utilizing Gematria , to show , in my Tradition's
view , why I am exploring that notion...:uhhuhuh:

The Gematria code tells me there is a deep reason...

My direct experience as a practitioner of the artz , holding
a letter symbol , with layers of meaning , thus a hypertext
language , affecting the human bio computer , and further
determining it's specific effect , among it's many layers of
meaning , by my intention , then making the sound associated
with it , in a specific tone , has shown me it does imprint on
the fluidic underlying nature of reality , and create results...

This is the focus of my question...

Now , in my Tradition...we hold the view , language created
reality...a hypertext language , which is embedded in the very
underlying essence of everything...and created everthing...

Thus...everything may be affected , by utilizing it , in very
specific ways , determined by what you seek to accomplish...

The basis for any magical operation...need , intent , focus...

By the way...another answer for you...315 , previously , as
the English word , I used : "Formation"...is actually valued
in Obri / Hebrew ;

The word is Yetzirah...value determined by the Hebrew letters
"Yod - Tzaddi - Yod - Resh - Heh" ( 10 , 90 , 10 , 200 , 5 )

The meaning...among many layers...is Formation...

Now , one more thing...

Semantic Reality , in this context , is not just meaning , yet ,
Letter + Meanings + Sound...( communication of the WORD )

Graphic Reality , on the other hand , would be the Letter Visualized...

Does that help ?

[Morred]

Thanks for the explanation...right now I'm at work, but as soon as I'm at home, I'll think some more about it.

[Morred]

Sorry I'm so late on this....I didn't ignore your message, I just completely forgot about it....

So I'm asking for an example in this thread now and would be really happy if you could kindly give me one *politeness mode exhausted*:crown:

Let's just take the one you already mentioned?


And from the remainder left , if any , different information
would be obtained about whatever you were seeking , and
working with...such as if I used the word "Cat" , spelled
in ten languages , each formula would give me more info
about cat...from each symbol , making the word , sum of
the word , remainder number from a boundary , etc.

What would "Cat" tell you?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Sheesh !

You want what you want , and you want it now , don't you ?

After almost a month ? ...ROTFLMAO !

I shall get back to you , tomorrow...this post shall take awhile ,
and I have some catching up to do...then I am teaching , later
today...:uhhuhuh:

But I shall be happy to help...:bigredgri

[Morred]

Sheesh !

You want what you want , and you want it now , don't you ?

After almost a month ? ...ROTFLMAO !


Weeeeellll, I was on holiday for two weeks and after that I had a lot of work to do....:thumbsup:

[KC Destroyer of Worlds]

Shawn,

You are a wonderful person but you are going to make my brain explode.:bangyourh

I've been following the year and a day class from last year. Lots o' info! lol

[Shawn Blackwolf]

There is an IRL student , coming over today ,
who could tell you what it is like after 6 hours
straight with me...once a week...:bigredgri

And as I tell my students , and they learn by experience...

The further they go , the better they get , the more fluidic
pressure I apply...

You see , by gematria...

Alchemical Crucible = 496

Which , in Obri / Hebrew :

496 = Malkuth

And , as Malkuth , is only the first step , as the Material
World level , the pressure cooker has it's purpose , to
prepare the student for further refinement , and progress...

As we say...

Point = 159

If = 36

You = 83

Can = 71

Not = 36

Take = 70

Heat = 48

Stay = 76

Out = 164

Of = 150

Kitchen = 101

= 994

Of course , there are other "feedback loops" ,
contained in that phrase...

"If You Can Not Take Heat" = 344

And , 344 , is the sum of our four pairs of
elemental runes , in our Faery Tree...

And the value of "Kitchen" , as 101...

101 = Humann Body

Think of the phrase in that context...:uhhuhuh:

Why bother coming into body , if you cannot take the heat ?

...:devil:...

[KC Destroyer of Worlds]

lol, I can take the heat, I just think it'll be a slow burn

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Then let me assist the process...:bigredgri

The center star of our Faery Tree , has a value of 692...

Alchemical / Alkhemical = 171

Funny...

Snake = 171

Then :

Alchemical = 171...


Misterrreais = 522

Funny...

High Priestess , and Aleph - Beth = 523

Today's spelling of course , is Mysteries...

Yet...

Alchemical Misterrreais = 693

Center star of our Faery Tree relation ?

Hmmm...

692 : Humann Body Alchemical Process = 1494

( 692 + 101 + 171 + 530 )

Sum of the Faery Tree , normally 1495...



By the way :

Process = 530 = Rainbow

Now , I could show you :

Four = 278

Elemental = 207

Runes = 356

Are = 310

344

= 1495

And , further...

Snake In Tree : 344 = 994

Which , 994 , is the sum of our Mother and Father columns...

And , the higher value of our Faery Tree , is 2535...

Symbol = 176

For = 350

Four = 356 ( 278 is Obri value , 356 is Runic value )

Alchemical = 171

Misterrreais = 522

Is = 310

Snake = 171

In = 190

Tree = 289

= 2535

Do note , as I have previously posted :

Original Sin = 994

...:bigredgri...

You see...

Apple = 494

Obri = 282

And 44

Runic = 283

Languages = 183

Cojoined = 210

= 1496

Just so you know...:thumbsup:

[Yticilef]

Hello Shawn, Morred and everyone

A most interesting thread, in relation to the "I want it now", this is essentially the hole essence of being in Malchut, the absolute will to receive...

The other was the comment re the possibility of the universe being a construct, also strongly within Kabbalistic teaching of worlds coexisting in association with us- ie Adam Kadmon, Atzilut,Beria, Yetzirah, and Assiya and all the descending roots and branches- being the foundation of as above- so below....

On a more mundane level you may be interested in the theories of Ken Wilbur, Bohm, Karl Pribram, which I studied back in the 70's when at Uni, where there was a crossover in quantum physics, neuro-physics and mysticism... the postulation being that the world is a holographic construct and our brain, with percept, concept and memory operates as a holographic process- ie lenseless photography based on a frequency domain.

This has lead to more recent interest in what is called the noosphere (Global Consciousness Project (EGG project))- an invisible planetary web of evolving consciousness...
originally the idea of Pierre Teilhard de Chadin.

From a Kabbalistic/quantum perspective it may well be that the universe, as we know it, is a construct based on our perception and response to it via this frequency domain(our brain)... it was even thought and postulated that our DNA works at this level too.

This may be why Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy- Douglas Adam's had earth and man as the ultimate computer- and the 42 as the answer to the question also has big relevance to Kabbalah and the 42 Books of Thoth.

Which is a possible reason, with the ever increasing level of unhappiness in the world this may be reflected in the current breakdown manifesting as climate change- a bit out there I know.

Yticilef:fpraise:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Wilbur...a poor beginner...

However , Bohm , and Pribram...

More in alignment with what I know , and
taught a board of scientists in the Bay Area...

In our language...

Holog'raym = 186 = Shape = Phase = Back Of The Head...

Frequency Domain + Prog'raym / Imprint = 993

( see previous posts , regarding 993 / 994 )

[Yticilef]

Thanks for your response Shawn,

You are lucky to have some personal connection to Pribram etc.

In answer to an earlier post re Nature and the serpent, this is often referred to as Sitra Achra as opposed to Kedusha- though neither seen as bad, in fact the left hand path is seen as powerful and the nurturer of our path.

I had also wanted to ask (and in doing so will appear a bit 'out there') , if you have had any experience of portals...We had a long involvement in biodynamic farming and hence working with elementals...

There is a part of farming which involves blessing a sacred water hole/spring/dam which we had done on our property...

I was following an old tradition (from my Welsh great grand mother). On the morning of the Sunday of the more traditional Easter one sits and watches the reflection of the sun rise and follow it's path over the 'water' of the dam... when it reached the edge of the water- two 'green energy pillars' rose on either side and through them I saw a large anthropomorphic like form looking at me- just a large head, constantly changing shape, along with a cascade of lights flitting all around, as soon as the sun reflection left the water it shut down- it wasn't a complementary color illusion from watching the sun... I felt it was interesting as it combined earth-air-fire and water for that instant it hit the land... and no- I wasn't on anything... just interested in whether, with your knowledge you have come across other 'portal like' experiences?

Yticilef

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well...

We definitely come from different Traditions...

You see...one of our main arrangements of
symbols , is a dual eight column...with a main
value ( low value for symbols ) of 994...

And one of the millions of things , equalling
994 , happens to be :

Other Side...:bigredgri

You see , I visit the Other Side , and Pillars
of Daath , quite frequently...

And , we do not view *any* of those things
through the lens of submitting to deity...

And what some call Qlippoth...

I have no problem with...:uhhuhuh:

Our Faery Tree , has eleven dimensions...

Another Tree we work with , has nine...

And then there is the one with ten spheres...

Yet , our eleven dimensional Tree , is known
to us , as the Tree of Life + Tree of Knowledge
of Good and Evil...:thumbsup:

We have *no* problem with *remembering ,
becoming , and being* , the Gods we once were...

Different ways of perception...different Traditions...

Sometime later today or tomorrow , I will post
regarding your question of portals...:uhhuhuh:

[green aventurine]

Oh , I was aware that was what you were asking , Morred...

One of the most common questions which arise , with my
students , offline , and on...as well , on message boards...

So...no , not the same number value , at all ( normally )

However , in all my years of experience , working with
the code system of Gematria , within similar number
boundaries , I could take words from any language ,
translate them back into the base language of the code ,
get number values...subtract those words from one of
the number boundaries of the code...

And from the remainder left , if any , different information
would be obtained about whatever you were seeking ,

This is very interesting. This question had also crossed my mind. With the base language of the code and as you describe it, to me it reminds me of Fodor's language of thought a little:

In his (1975 (http://host.uniroma3.it/progetti/kant/field/lotbiblio.html#Fodor1975)) Jerry Fodor offered a bold hypothesis: the medium of thought is an innate language that is distinct from all spoken languages and is semantically expressively complete. So-called "Mentalese" is supposed to be an inner language that contains all of the conceptual resources necessary for any of the propositions that humans can grasp, think or express--in short, the basis of thought and meaning.

While few have followed Fodor in adopting this extreme hypothesis, some weaker form of a language of thought (LOT) view, i.e., that there is a mental language that is different from human spoken languages, is held by many philosophers and cognitive scientists.


http://host.uniroma3.it/progetti/kant/field/lot.html

I haven't read this article specifically but I've read other articles from this site and they are okay.


and
working with...such as if I used the word "Cat" , spelled
in ten languages , each formula would give me more info
about cat...from each symbol , making the word , sum of
the word , remainder number from a boundary , etc.

But that is not the focus of the thread , though I do hope
that helps...:thumbsup:

This sounds like you're talking about describing an archetypal cat? or Catness? by using different languages to fully describe it, perhaps? catness as a concept in the base language of your code?


What I am really wanting to explore here , is the concept ,
and experiential reality , of those who work with sound
and letter symbols , combined...

I have done this:

http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/open.php (http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/open.php)

but I guess it's not enough from what you're asking as I didn't visualise anything (apart from the hand positions a little) , I just spoke the symbols.




sorry to jump into your thread/forum. I'm afraid I'm a bit worn out with moving at the moment so perhaps what I said didn't make much sense but I thought it was a very interesting thread and just want to bounce a couple of ideas off you :)

ETA: Interesting posts, Yticilef, as well :)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Not *my* forum , Green Aventurine...:)

And as far as I am concerned , you always seem to
add insight to threads you enter...

Now , as far as Fodor...sounds right...I shall read about his work...

And get back to you...

As I have said , previously :

Associative Cortices = 641

Divine Feminine Kcebealla + Divine Masculine Qabalah = 641

And , further...

Architect's Geometry = 641

Privileged Wisdom Code = 641

Kcebealla And Qabalah Prog'raymming = 641

Body Translating Light = 641

Wave And Matter Bound Together = 641

Gematria Prog'raymming = 641

Creation's Energy Code = 641

Life Consciousness = 641

Wired Inside = 641

And :

Phoenix = 642

Yet , so does :

Life Manual For Dummies = 642

...:smileroll...

You see , Em / Am , is Mother , in Obri / Hebrew...

And :

Em - Manual = 695

Ancestral Memory Code = 695

( just follow Emmanual...)...:fpraise:

Now , as far as "Cat" , and "Catness"...

Very good...that is the idea...the underlying
nature is revealed , by the various languages
returned to primary code...:thumbsup:

And , to address your exercise...very good...

Yes , this approaches the concept...

However , could you first do it with your physical
hands , one mudra at a time , then create a dance ,
or flow pattern with the hands , one mudra into the
next...then , not do it physically , yet visualize your
hands moving in your mind , while vibrating the
associated mantra ?

Great book , giving an idea of Astral Body movement...

( Or , Etheric Body )...

Robert Masters' "The Goddess Sekhmet"...subtitled :

"Psycho - Spiritual Exercises Of The Fifth Way"

...:thumbsup:...


sorry to jump into your thread/forum. I'm afraid I'm a bit worn out with moving at the moment so perhaps what I said didn't make much sense but I thought it was a very interesting thread and just want to bounce a couple of ideas off you :)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I did just want to show why I answered your post ,
in the way I did , Yticilef...

http://hatufim-org.blogspot.com/2009/04/kelipot-and-sitra-achra.html


In answer to an earlier post re Nature and the serpent, this is often referred to as Sitra Achra as opposed to Kedusha- though neither seen as bad, in fact the left hand path is seen as powerful and the nurturer of our path.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

First , in answer...

The center of our 11 dimensional Faery Tree , created
using AshBash , or the folding of the 22 symbols of the
Runic comparison to the Obri letters , is the pairing ,
pronounced :

"Payuurt Eel"

Which , in Obri , would be :

"Pe Waw"

( Value 86 / 806 )

Now , the runes themselves , fit together , in a particular
form , utilizing topology , create the shape of the pentagram ,
with a line through it , or the "Faery Wand"...

Which , when properly constructed , could be viewed as Pi ,
and Phi , via the Line In Extension , and the Phi ratio found
in the structure of the pentagram...

Yet , the sound itself , of the pairing , is :

"Payuurteel" , which is our sound , for "Portal"...

And is surrounded , by our four pairs of runes , for the four
elements...let alone , by meaning , the two runes mean :

Vibration / Frequency / Tuning , and Oscillation / Bridge...

Now , by gematria :

Sephirah To Portal = 806

As far as my personal experiences...LOL...a few...and a few more...

( Check my teacher intro thread , in COT class archives )

Now , let me address your next part of your post...

First , one of our other arrangements of runes , equals 1318...

Which happens to equal :

Looking At The Pillars Of The Sphere Of Daath = 1319

And , when utilizing AshBash , with the 22 Runes...

The top pair , and bottom pair , equal 451 , which is :

Abyss / Deep = 451

Yet , as well :

Water = 451

And , as we know , Daath , is often referred to as the Abyss...

Now , the low value of the 22 symbols , Obri , or Runic , is 1495...

Two Green Pillars : Daath = 1494

And , lastly...

Seeing Changing Countenance Between Two Green Pillars :
Ancestral Memory Guide = 1495


I had also wanted to ask (and in doing so will appear a bit 'out there') , if you have had any experience of portals...We had a long involvement in biodynamic farming and hence working with elementals...

There is a part of farming which involves blessing a sacred water hole/spring/dam which we had done on our property...

I was following an old tradition (from my Welsh great grand mother). On the morning of the Sunday of the more traditional Easter one sits and watches the reflection of the sun rise and follow it's path over the 'water' of the dam... when it reached the edge of the water- two 'green energy pillars' rose on either side and through them I saw a large anthropomorphic like form looking at me- just a large head, constantly changing shape, along with a cascade of lights flitting all around, as soon as the sun reflection left the water it shut down- it wasn't a complementary color illusion from watching the sun... I felt it was interesting as it combined earth-air-fire and water for that instant it hit the land... and no- I wasn't on anything... just interested in whether, with your knowledge you have come across other 'portal like' experiences?

[green aventurine]

Not *my* forum , Green Adventurine...:)

And as far as I am concerned , you always seem to
add insight to threads you enter...

Thankee kindly, my good sir :hahugh:

Now , as far as Fodor...sounds right...I shall read about his work...

And get back to you...

I don't know what you've read in relation to this kind of stuff but this might be more easy to swallow (none of it is really that untechnical unfortunately)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Fodor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Fodor)

ffetcher might be a good person to comment on this stuff as well.




And , to address your exercise...very good...

Yes , this approaches the concept...

However , could you first do it with your physical
hands , one mudra at a time , then create a dance ,
or flow pattern with the hands , one mudra into the
next...then , not do it physically , yet visualize your
hands moving in your mind , while vibrating the
associated mantra ?

that's very interesting, I shall make some investigations :)

Great book , giving an idea of Astral Body movement...

( Or , Etheric Body )...

Robert Masters' "The Goddess Sekhmet"...subtitled :

"Psycho - Spiritual Exercises Of The Fifth Way"

...:thumbsup:...

Thanks, will investigate this as well

[Shawn Blackwolf]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/188399148X/maryasgoddessvir

Masters has broken through to a new understanding of the sense and uses of the disciplines of inward-turned contemplation. -- Joseph Campbell, author of The Power of Myth

[Yticilef]

Dear Shawn,

Thanks you for the link, I have added it to favorites... and to your insight into the portal experience... your knowledge and your willingness to share demonstrates one of the 'wise springs' that one meets on the human level as well as the earth level.

I am trying to catch up on the knowledge you have shared on previous posts as well... it illustrates the long road ahead and the need for multiple incarnations for me!

Yticilef

[Yticilef]

Joseph Campbell is a favorite of mine... he was also involved in one of my favorite Tarot books, Tarot Revelations.... this was where I first started to look at the laying out of the major Arcana in rows of nine, which then lead to the nocturnal insights...

I was wondering in the runic Kabbalah whether Aleph has only the numerical value of 1 or also different roots such as the 26 - the Yod, Vav, Yod? Is there a book you would recommend on Runic tarot?- I will check previous posts to find this ...

Just as an aside I constructed a labyrinth for the Bundaleer Weekend, Jamestown, here in South Australia, where I included some of the fairies I make... it was based on Chartre and had over 3,000 people walk it... I love doing art involving portals and have done them in hospitals to make them better places for children... but the oldies love them too. Just adding a bit of the old Magic to healing places...

Yticilef