The Incomprehensible One and the Trinity

[HetHert]

I'd like to start a discussion about The One and the Trinity in all it's forms and mythology.

For the Egyptians it starts with the "Incomprehensible One." Through "desire" (heart) to know..through self-consciousness it creates another. This act of creation institutes polarity or duality...the one and the other for where there was dark, there is now light...the initial spark that brought definition. The connection between The One and it's Creation is the Spirit they share which is the Third. The 3 create the triune or "The Unity".

Thus begins the fractal of life.

Past, Present, Future.
Creation, Becoming, Return

God/and Goddess Trinities...how do you work with these energies and to what effect? Do you find more balance working with a trinity form or with singular aspects?

Somewhere in all this too, is the blood mysteries. Or perhaps more aptly the mystery of desire and love. So on this level we can also look at the function of desire in our lives and how this drives personal creation.

What are some of your understandings and personal experiences with The One and the Trinity.

[Dumunzi]

Many Wiccans I know have never even heard of the story of The One. And to be honest I'm not sure if I follow it. I think it's really just an analogy to all Gods are connected/everything goes to the same place.

The Trinity... I am not a Maiden, Mother, Crone person, but I don't dispute that some Goddess's certainly fit that archetype. There's not much a trinity for the Wiccan God, but the Christian God certainly has one in Catholicism.

Personally, I think of the Goddess as a mother, crone, maiden, Queen of Stars, Queen of Heaven. I think of the God as an omnipotent force, as the Horned God/Lord, Green Man, Sky God, Sun God, King of Stars, Heavens, etc.

However, I am also a strict polytheist who still believes all the Gods/Goddess's are connected. So I think of Hecate as just what she is. Goddess of the Underworld, Crossroads, Witches, Magic, Bitches(Think baying dogs), etc.

<_^

Hope that answered where I come from there.

[AJwins]

I tend to view things like this through a Qabalistic lens. To me, the Unknowable One is at Kether (the Crown) and beyond in Light, and the god and goddess of traditional Wicca occupy the top two spheres beneah Kether, at Chokmah and Binah.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Since you asked me personally , HetHert...

I shall offer this , from the viewpoint and knowledge ,
of my Tradition...Disclaimer Over...

First , to post this , needed to explain...


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Page 7 , is what I shall be addressing...

First , if we take two of the columns on the left , and two
of the columns on the right...

They are known to us as dual Father , and dual Mother ,
respectively...Number values , by Gematria , as follows :

782 , and 1206 , respectively...

Something to be noted , as there are eight runes , originally ,
in each column...the sum of 1 to 8 , inclusive...

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 = 36

And 36 , in Obri / Hebrew = God , or Goddess

As well...

781 = First Male

So , this is what my Tradition knows Plato meant , when he
spoke of soul mates...the original dual nature of male , and
female...he was initiated into our Tradition...as were many...

1206 = One First Goddess

Now...from their union , came the two columns on page 7...

Which represent , also , son and daughter...

And , with Son , and Daughter , in Obri / Hebrew...

Son = 52

Daughter = 402

Plus the word "And" , in Runic...

And = 44

We attain :

52 + 44 + 402 = 498


Now , as the sum of the two columns of 8 symbols each...

Have a total value of 994...

As 391 , and 603...respectively...

994 = 498 + 496...

And 496 , in Obri / Hebrew , is the number for Malkuth...

Thus the "Kingdom"...yet this realm...

So the old way , as we knew it , was this...later interpreted in
many ways , and changed by many...as I showed in my Class
thread , long ago...

994 = Original Sin

Many , are the things that have been corrupted , as our Tradition
knows them to be , from our knowledge , and viewpoint...

Now...how do I use these , on another level , as the Trinity ?

By chanting them...:uhhuhuh:

How do I know these are the Trinity , in our Tradition ?

Let us take Gematria , and work with one of our main Sacred Numbers of our Tradition...4424

Now , we have a spelling , and different meaning for a word...

Rrealeegian = 356

Interestingly...the word :

Tradition = 356

And as we know the words :

Pagan Rrealeegian = 1141

Same number as "Ur of the Chaldees" , in Obri / Runic...

And , if we now take the values of the Trinity columns...

782 + 1206 + 994 = 2982

And we add , 1141 , we have a remainder of 301...

Which is not only a Sacred number from another part of our
Tradition , but also :

301 = Light above

301 = Fire

As Above So Below ( after another fashion )...

Now , if we look at it another way...

4424 - 2982 = 1442

And , interestingly...

Three = 635 ( Obri / Hebrew )

And = 44 ( Runic )

One = 720 ( Runic )

Together = 43 ( Obri / Hebrew )

= 1442


( NOTE : 1206 - 782 = 424 ; 424 = Brother(9) + Sister(415) )

I do believe that pretty much winds it up for me...:bigredgri

Hope that gives you one way of looking at things , you
may find helpful and interesting...:uhhuhuh:...Blessings...:thumbsup:

[HetHert]

Thanks so much for your input Shawn! In light of studying the gematria and the root of the words and their value it does help! Not only that but it gives me a parallel to work with the Egyptian visual representation and a means to tie back into the Obri and Runic. You may have just "lit" a previously shaded door here.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

One more thing , HetHert...right hand column , bottom rune...

Means "to know oneself"...halfway down column , is a rune that means "heart"...the rune itself , looks like a letter "M"...

Which is made of two of our runes for "wave"...

So the heart rune is made of "interference waves" , or waves
polarized , at 180 degrees to each other...with the bottom rune
meaning to know oneself...

And the rune second from bottom , means polarity , yet breakthrough...

Thought you might like that also , per your OP...
Thanks so much for your input Shawn! In light of studying the gematria and the root of the words and their value it does help! Not only that but it gives me a parallel to work with the Egyptian visual representation and a means to tie back into the Obri and Runic. You may have just "lit" a previously shaded door here.