Anyone?

[sleepycat]

anyone here TOS ?

[Xentor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_L1.png? (http://www.xeper.org/)

[sleepycat]

*nods*

[Xentor]

Hmm... I don't recall anyone claiming to be connected to them. We do have some professed Satanists, some LaVeyans, and some followers of the CoS.

[BearDancing]

what is TOS:hairred:

[Agaliha]

what is TOS:hairred:

A sect of Satanism.
Temple of Set. http://www.xeper.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setianism

[Teresa]

I have read the "Satanic Bible" and think it makes sense. I am intrigued by the Sect mentioned above as well.

[Stormbeard]

lol Temple of Set

[Darth Brooks]

anyone here TOS ?

I'm probably the closest thing you're going to find here on Mystic Wicks to a Temple of Set member, and I'm not a member. But I am a Setian.


A sect of Satanism.

It is true the Temple originated from within the Church of Satan's membership during the 1970's, but the claim that Setianity and Satanism are the same thing has been disputed quite a bit. Naturally, the Church of Satan does not recognize us as "Satanists," and as of right now, most Setians appear to agree (both within and without the Temple).

"Concerning Satanism," by Don Webb (http://www.xeper.org/australasia/concerning_satanism.html) (Setian)


The Temple of Set has begun the process of distancing form the term "Satanism," a cultural fad of the latter part of the Twentieth Century of the Common Era. The usefulness of this particular tool as a means to antinomianism is fading in our post-Christian society, just as it had no meaning in the pre-Christian society where the first explorations of the Setian path occurred."Pretenders of the Throne," by Peter Gilmore (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Pretenders.html) (Satanist)


Clearly [Setian] beliefs are fundamentally at odds with the philosophy of the Church of Satan. Satanists view themselves as animals who are part of Nature (7th Satanic Statement: “Satan represents man as just another animal,...” ), and see any concept positing something existing outside of nature as being a spiritual delusion. We Satanists don’t believe in reincarnation, and as skeptical materialists, reject the idea of evolving into some kind of deity as so much theistic faith. We already see ourselves as the gods of our own subjective universes. Though Gilmore's article is fairly provocative in some ways, it does seem to represent official Church of Satan policy toward Setians. Furthermore, I would also point out that Setianity necessarily recognizes the Secret of the Two Partners, a sort of "non-dual dualism" which posits that Horus and Set are really two sides of the same Absolute, while Satanism, like Christianity, is automatically predisposed to an "Us versus Them" attitude by its very etymology. For another thing it's pretty much accepted now that Setians are pagans, whereas the question of whether Satanists are pagans or a kind of Christian is still being raised, even on this very board.

I would argue that Setians and Satanists are two completely different kettles of fish and that it is a little bit insulting - no doubt to both of us - when we are lumped together like that. Even though there is certainly plenty of evidence that Satan was in many ways influenced by Set, this does not mean we are following the same religion anymore than Jews and Christians follow the same religion, even though they follow the same God.

ETA: T'would be more accurate to say that the Temple of Set is a sect of the left hand path, not of Satanism.

[Darth Brooks]

So was there any particular point in asking this question? And is it an exercise in futility to bother explaining why Satanists and Setians are not the same thing? Because this is the second time I've tried to correct this misunderstanding on this board, and it's the second time I've been ignored.

[Calli]

So was there any particular point in asking this question? And is it an exercise in futility to bother explaining why Satanists and Setians are not the same thing? Because this is the second time I've tried to correct this misunderstanding on this board, and it's the second time I've been ignored.

Nobody may have commented, but I did follow your wiki link and I am now a little more informed. Thanks for that.

[Darth Brooks]

Thank you. :)

[Darth Brooks]

In another thread, David19 asked me if there isn't a certain amount of overlap between Setianity and Satanism. This is certainly true, there is in fact a certain amount of overlap. It is not unusual for some Setians to take some inspiration from the writings of LaVey, and it is also not unusual for certain kinds of Satanists (or even Luciferians) to take inspiration from Setian belief (Michael Ford being a particularly good example, from what I have seen of his work so far). So yes, there is some overlap between the two, just as there is some overlap between Christians and Pagans, like in the case of Christian witchcraft or Christo-Paganism. (Or, as a further example, the overlap between Wicca and Celtic religion that I sometimes see.) However, the fact still remains that Setianity and Satanism are still unique entities unto themselves, just as even though there are Christian witches, Christianity and witchcraft are two different specifications.

[Bettie]

So was there any particular point in asking this question? And is it an exercise in futility to bother explaining why Satanists and Setians are not the same thing? Because this is the second time I've tried to correct this misunderstanding on this board, and it's the second time I've been ignored.

Not sure of the OP's intent in asking, but I for one am paying attention. It's interesting. :)

[sleepycat]

OP's intent was to see if I could contact anyone in TOS.
Thread got off topic.
Darth, I know the differences, I appreciate your efforts.
I think I'm gonna ask for this thread to be closed.

[David19]

In another thread, David19 asked me if there isn't a certain amount of overlap between Setianity and Satanism. This is certainly true, there is in fact a certain amount of overlap. It is not unusual for some Setians to take some inspiration from the writings of LaVey, and it is also not unusual for certain kinds of Satanists (or even Luciferians) to take inspiration from Setian belief (Michael Ford being a particularly good example, from what I have seen of his work so far). So yes, there is some overlap between the two, just as there is some overlap between Christians and Pagans, like in the case of Christian witchcraft or Christo-Paganism. (Or, as a further example, the overlap between Wicca and Celtic religion that I sometimes see.) However, the fact still remains that Setianity and Satanism are still unique entities unto themselves, just as even though there are Christian witches, Christianity and witchcraft are two different specifications.

Just in case, it does get closed, I wanted to say thankyou for posting this, as it really explains a lot, I knew there were drastic differences, but, I wasn't sure how far apart they both were. I really like your explanation. Personally, I really like the Temple of Set, they seem like a really genuine LHP organisation, as opposed to the "New Age" Satanist groups you get (I know New Age and Satanism may seem like oxymorons, but, a lot of them are). I also liked what I've read of the origins of the Church of Satan, being that there was more of a belief in Satan, the demons, the Powers of Darkness, etc. Not sure why, but, I really enjoy that, I like the idea of all that existing (maybe Michael Aquino was right in one of his documents, ever since the concept of the Prince of Darkness was first invented or discovered, there would have always been people who were more attracted to him, just out of general fun). Although, I should add, I'm not really interested in worshipping Satan, or anything, just out of general interest (although, as I've told you, I am interested in the path of Set).