Bucket monster kid arrested

[Fluoxetine]

Barrel ‘monster’ gets N.C. student arrested

Police call it vandalism, but supporters say it’s creative street art



RALEIGH, N.C. - When Joseph Carnevale chopped up three stolen orange and white traffic barrels from a construction site to create a massive sculpture of a roadside monster thumbing a ride, the North Carolina college student said he saw it as a form of street art.Raleigh, N.C., police just saw vandalism.
They dismantled the 10-foot "barrel monster" and arrested Carnevale. Hundreds of online supporters want the charges dropped and the publicity has turned the history major and part-time construction worker into a local celebrity.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31395158/ns/us_news-weird_news/



Actually I quite like the picture. Would make driving more fun seeing these about.

[memnoch]

I read this the other day...the kid should have to pay damages, but should get to keep the monster...that is some serious talent.

[watersprite]

Sheesh! Can't even make art anymore!

[Zoritsa_Nepenthe]

I think it would be a great idea to see more of them.Slap a sign on them reminding people to slow down in a construction zone,and I bet not to many people would miss it.

[Lunacie]

Sheesh! Can't even make art anymore!

Of course you can still make art. You just can't steal the materials to make the art project - and expect to get away with the theft.

I didn't realize all those barrels and cones and stuff belonged to the construction company, but now that I think about it, that makes sense. So if the construction company refuses to file charges, I don't see how the artist can be convicted for stealing. He could probably be charged with creating a driving hazard on a public roadway or something like that.

[aluokaloo]

well how he "accquired" his art supplies was very wrong, but man that thing is really cool!:hahugh:

[la tortuga]

I read this the other day...the kid should have to pay damages, but should get to keep the monster...that is some serious talent.

Pretty much all that can be said about that. :thumbsup: That is a really cool monster, though. :P

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

That's pretty awesome. I could see one of my friends trying to pull that off:hahugh:

[Lunacie]

I read this the other day...the kid should have to pay damages, but should get to keep the monster...that is some serious talent.

So, lets see if I understand this. If you're "seriously talented" you should be able to keep anything that you steal to use to make some work of art?

People who aren't so talented or use the items they steal for some other purpose should be prosecuted and must return the items, but artists are somehow above the law?

I'm seriously not getting some of the responses here.

[memnoch]

So, lets see if I understand this. If you're "seriously talented" you should be able to keep anything that you steal to use to make some work of art?

People who aren't so talented or use the items they steal for some other purpose should be prosecuted and must return the items, but artists are somehow above the law?

I'm seriously not getting some of the responses here.

If you have to pay for what you stole you should be able to keep it, because at that point it isn't stolen, it has been purchased.

[Vampiel]

If you have to pay for what you stole you should be able to keep it, because at that point it isn't stolen, it has been purchased.

No your paying a fine and covering the damages not purchasing an item.

[memnoch]

No your paying a fine and covering the damages not purchasing an item.

I didn't say pay a fine, I said he should have to pay for what he used, as in buy them from the company, maybe give him 90 days and suspend his sentence...unlikely a repeat offender...and if he does then he can do extra time.

[Corvis Canis Latrans]

If you have to pay for what you stole you should be able to keep it, because at that point it isn't stolen, it has been purchased.

Hmmm.

*Tricks some poor dishonest kid into stealing my Greenwood Tarot*

*Makes them pay maximum collector's price I've seen it go for (about $600).*

*Finds one of the $200 copies on Ebay as a replacement and comes out $400 ahead and still with an OP collector's deck.*

So, is it bad karma to steal from a thief? :p

[WitchJezebel]

well how he "accquired" his art supplies was very wrong, but man that thing is really cool!:hahugh:

Agreed.

[Lunacie]

I didn't say pay a fine, I said he should have to pay for what he used, as in buy them from the company, maybe give him 90 days and suspend his sentence...unlikely a repeat offender...and if he does then he can do extra time.

He's already a repeat offender - but this is apparently the first time he's been caught and given a citation.



"If you can break the rules, and no one knows they were broken in the first place, then there's no point," he said.
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Carnevale has made other street art pieces with stolen barrels, including an alligator and caricatures with small arms.

from the link in the OP

[memnoch]

He's already a repeat offender - but this is apparently the first time he's been caught and given a citation.


from the link in the OP

I didn't go to that link as I read a story on it already, I did not know that, with that said I would give him a hard slap on the wrist (probation, maybe house arrest), realistically petty theft is never punished too harshly. I think he, and any thief, should have the option to pay for what they have stolen.

[Glowy]

That monster should stay intact and be displayed somewhere. It is great. It is not like he did not return what he stole, just in a different shape:smileroll

[sleepycat]

N.C. State student. That figures.

[Garm]

Of course you can still make art. You just can't steal the materials to make the art project - and expect to get away with the theft.


Of course you can...

Just don't get caught

Frankly I think this kid is just too big a fan of Mark Pauline's work

http://ww.srl.org/information/Artpark_Judgement.txt



BACKGROUND
Mark
Pauline is the creator and artistic director of SRL. SRL
performances
satirize America's socio-political system and the systems of
other
nations in which it has performed. It is committed to shocking
and
jarring its audience by confronting it with representations of
deadly warfare
technologies and consumer culture gone mad. SRL uses
robotic creatures,
controlled fires, controlled explosives and
special effects to confront its
audience.

Plaintiff brought this
action against David Midland, individually and as
President of the
Natural Heritage Trust ("NH'P'), and against NHT. He
originally
sought to enjoin defendants from cancelling SRL's
performance at Earl W.

In
February 1990, Artpark approached plaintiff about the possibility
of
performing during the upcoming summer season. After a series
of
negotiations, SRL contracted NHT on May 18, 1990, to provide a
single 45 to
60 minute mechanical performance in the upper parking
lot of Artpark on
September 1, 1990.

The nature of that
performance is the basis for the instant lawsui.t. As
part of its
scheduled performance, SRL planned to stage a bible burning
that
would symbolize liberation from religious restraints and protest
censorship of
artists by religious fundamentalists. SRI-planned to
create a large mechanical
Mother Earth figure and cover it with
bibles. During the performance, this
figure was to be freed from religious constraints by
incinerating the bibles,
thereby peeling them away from Mother
Earth.
In an effort to obtain a sufficient number of bibles, SRL
produced a
poster soliciting contributions of bibles to be used in
the performance and
directing individuals to send the bibles directly
to Artpark. Central to the
instant litigation is the following
excerpt from the poster:

SUGGESTIONS: Bibles can always be
obtained for
free from hotels, church organizations, libraries,
the
Gideon Society, thrift stores, and your parents[sic]
house. Be
advised that in certain instances theft is a
moral
obligation.

[_Banbha_]

Even while the artist should be held responsible, it's a shame they dismantled it.

[Lunacie]

Of course you can...

Just don't get caught

Frankly I think this kid is just too big a fan of Mark Pauline's work

http://ww.srl.org/information/Artpark_Judgement.txt

Well, the more often you steal something, the greater the odds of getting caught?