Russian woman on trial for raping 10 men

[Garm]

The police were shocked that 32-year-old Valeria K., a quiet good-looking woman from the city of Tambov, was the mysterious rapist who abused ten local men after poisoning them with clonidine

She gave them drinks with clonidine, which almost immediately sent them to sleep for almost 24 hours.

After that, she undressed her victims and raped them, tightening a rope on their male organs to kep them erect.


http://www.mosnews.com/weird/2009/06/18/blackwidow/

Another one for the WTF archives

[Philosophia]

I hope the woman gets the full force of the law but the reaction from one of the victims leaves me slightly weirded out.

[HorseCrow]

Poor guys...

[Laisrean]

I hope the woman gets the full force of the law but the reaction from one of the victims leaves me slightly weirded out.

But if the victims are okay with it, why should she be punished? Is it even rape then?

[Caitlin.ann]

But if the victims are okay with it, why should she be punished? Is it even rape then?

Its not rape if he was ok with it and won't press charges, in his case anyways.

[Terra Mater]

Not every guy has a problem with being taken advantage of by a good looking spider lovin woman. However they are lucky that her affinity for spiders and her accompanying kink did not lead her to kill and eat her mates when she was done with them.:hairred:

[Philosophia]

But if the victims are okay with it, why should she be punished? Is it even rape then?

Only one of the victims was okay with it and didn't press charges.

[Garm]

Not every guy has a problem with being taken advantage of by a good looking spider lovin woman. However they are lucky that her affinity for spiders and her accompanying kink did not lead her to kill and eat her mates when she was done with them.:hairred:

Mega lols

The article mentions her fondness for horror movies and this reminds of a scene near the end of Nekromantic 2 where the heroine decapitates her boyfriend, ties off his genitals exactly in the way described in the news article and replaces the head with the one of her dead lover

[watersprite]

I hope the woman gets the full force of the law but the reaction from one of the victims leaves me slightly weirded out.
Rape is rape. She probably damaged their little organs if that's how she kept them erect, allowing no blood flow either way

[aluokaloo]

what an awful scary person! i hope her victims see justice done right. if only america would be more sympathetic to male rape instead of finding it funny or pathetic.

[Shaedema]

She should be punished for the 9 guys who did file a complaint.

For the one who said he liked it.....maybe he can be her pen pal until she's out again. That way she wouldn't have to go trolling for guys anymore. :weirdsmil

[Laisrean]

Rape is rape. She probably damaged their little organs if that's how she kept them erect, allowing no blood flow either way

If they were "so little" would they have been worth the effort on her part?

Just sayin'.... :hahugh:

[Sequoia]

While on the one hand, I am skeptical about this story - several elements are pretty shady - I am also pretty horrified at you all.

If ten women had been raped by a man, drugged then violently raped, you wouldn't be joking like this.

What about a man being raped makes it funny, worth laughing at?

[alwaysfallingup]

Oh my gosh. That is incredibly scary. I wasn't even aware that male rape was possible in that way. When I read the article, I assumed she had assaulted them with a foreign object of some kind.

[Sequoia]

Oh my gosh. That is incredibly scary. I wasn't even aware that male rape was possible in that way. When I read the article, I assumed she had assaulted them with a foreign object of some kind.

You know, there's also the "way" in which men are absolutely against the idea, but still physically aroused... and thus able to be assaulted.

Men don't have to be penetrated in order to be raped.

[Garm]

You know, there's also the "way" in which men are absolutely against the idea, but still physically aroused... and thus able to be assaulted.

Men don't have to be penetrated in order to be raped.

There is a lot of difference between an external appendage and an internal organ

Consider the difference between having your arm twisted and being knifed, the magnitude of seriousness for each action would be in about the same proportions

IMO at least

[Glowy]

She should be treated as a male rapist would. She had sex w/o consent.

Does not matter that they " woulda done her anyways"
She used drugs and bondage on her victims and as WS mentioned.. she could have damaged them.

[Shaedema]

While on the one hand, I am skeptical about this story - several elements are pretty shady - I am also pretty horrified at you all.

If ten women had been raped by a man, drugged then violently raped, you wouldn't be joking like this.

What about a man being raped makes it funny, worth laughing at?

If one of the women had turned around and said she liked it- just wished the guy hadn't used drugs- yes I still would make the same suggestion. :whistle:

Unforntunately- men raping women has gotten its share of being a joke. Sometimes that is a coping method to distance the self from the crime. Sometimes it isn't. Either way- everyone on the planet is still learning and growing (in a lot of cases) IMO.

[Caitlin.ann]

Isn't tying off their blood the same concept as using a cock ring? I'm sure their dicks were fine. For the one that won't press charges thats his prerogative, however she will still be punished for the others.

[Caitlin.ann]

She should be treated as a male rapist would. She had sex w/o consent.

Does not matter that they " woulda done her anyways"
She used drugs and bondage on her victims and as WS mentioned.. she could have damaged them.

Oh uh..*closes door to my bedroom* _inabox_ You don't want to know what goes on in there then.

[Glowy]

Isn't tying off their blood the same concept as using a cock ring? I'm sure their dicks were fine. For the one that won't press charges thats his prerogative, however she will still be punished for the others.


One would hope.. only a man using a CR would not be drugged and could decide for himself if it became painful.

[Caitlin.ann]

One would hope.. only a man using a CR would not be drugged and could decide for himself if it became painful.

True. Hopefully she knew what she was doing enough not to damage them.

[Glowy]

True. Hopefully she knew what she was doing enough not to damage them.


if she knew enough... that almost makes it more icky... eep

there could be more.

[Caitlin.ann]

if she knew enough... that almost makes it more icky... eep

there could be more.

Oh indeed there could be. Men are not the most eager to admit they've been raped and some of them may not want to press charges (like the single man in the story) they like that it happened to them. I think theres a great possibility there are more.

[Garm]

True. Hopefully she knew what she was doing enough not to damage them.

This is from the wiki

I am not going to link over possible mature content issues


rings that are too tight, or worn for too long can be dangerous: this may cause priapism, a medical emergency that, if not treated promptly, can result in severe and permanent damage, including penile gangrene that can result in the destruction and possible amputation of the penis. Rings for ED are invariably supplied with the instruction that they should not be left on for more than 30 minutes. Falling asleep with a ring on is a particular danger. This may lead to temporary or permanent nerve damage. Numbness in the glans penis, penis becoming cold or penis becoming white may be signs that a ring has been worn for too long and medical advice should be sought.

[Caitlin.ann]

This is from the wiki

I am not going to link over possible mature content issues

K thanks for sharing. I've never had a mate who needed one so never researched it.

[Nicholas]

rings that are too tight, or worn for too long can be dangerous: this may cause priapism, a medical emergency that, if not treated promptly, can result in severe and permanent damage, including penile gangrene that can result in the destruction and possible amputation of the penis. Rings for ED are invariably supplied with the instruction that they should not be left on for more than 30 minutes. Falling asleep with a ring on is a particular danger. This may lead to temporary or permanent nerve damage. Numbness in the glans penis, penis becoming cold or penis becoming white may be signs that a ring has been worn for too long and medical advice should be sought.'

*Shudders*

[Glowy]

This is from the wiki

I am not going to link over possible mature content issues


Thank you Garm, I think that was the well with in the PG ratings, as well as being very informative medicly speaking.

As SS pointed out.. some of us are unfamiliar.

[Sequoia]

There is a lot of difference between an external appendage and an internal organ

Consider the difference between having your arm twisted and being knifed, the magnitude of seriousness for each action would be in about the same proportions

IMO at least

Right. Because rape has nothing to do with the psychological trauma of assault; it's all about how much physical damage is done.

Women who suffered no real physical damage from rape should be made fun of, too! They probably liked it anyway. :thumbsup:

[Nicholas]

right. Because rape has nothing to do with the psychological trauma of assault; it's all about how much physical damage is done.

Women who suffered no real physical damage from rape should be made fun of, too! They probably liked it anyway. :thumbsup:

qft!

[aluokaloo]

i agree, rape is no laughing matter for anyone. we wouldn't make fun of a woman or a child being raped and this kind of attitude certainly isn't going to make male victims of rape and molestation want to come forward, we should have just as much sympathy for these people as we would if it were your best friend or your sister.

[aluokaloo]

But if the victims are okay with it, why should she be punished? Is it even rape then?

they're probably more afraid of being stigmatized because too many people would rather attack their masculinity rather then have sympathy for the victim.

[Caitlin.ann]

Right. Because rape has nothing to do with the psychological trauma of assault; it's all about how much physical damage is done.

Women who suffered no real physical damage from rape should be made fun of, too! They probably liked it anyway. :thumbsup:

No one ever said that and no one is making fun here. Some may be over reacting though. :thumbsup:

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't think anyone here is lacking sympathy however we shouldn't stop talking about some things simply because some are offended and feel others are not being sensitive enough. No one denied that these men are suffering.

[wicthdragon]

I think its sick what was done and this woman needs to be put away for a very long time'.

And i prey the men are getting what ever help they can and that they can go forword.

Either way rape cane and dose happen to any one and we should all just remember that.

[Caitlin.ann]

Either way rape cane and dose happen to any one

I think everyone here knows this.

[Garm]

Right. Because rape has nothing to do with the psychological trauma of assault; it's all about how much physical damage is done.

Women who suffered no real physical damage from rape should be made fun of, too! They probably liked it anyway. :thumbsup:

Well quite simply, I for one would not particularly be traumatized by being raped a woman

The worst I would feel is really annoyed and even that would have be under extenuating circumstances

I don't know if that's normal but I suspect my attitude is common enough

We would have to do a poll or something that like to find out

In the case mentioned in the OP one guy was only annoyed that he was drugged unconscious for what might otherwise have been an enjoyable experience

[CheshireEyes]

But if the victims are okay with it, why should she be punished? Is it even rape then?

Same reason, statutory rapists get punished, cause its against the law, even if the underage people they had sex with were ok with it.

[Caitlin.ann]

Same reason, statutory rapists get punished, cause its against the law, even if the underage people they had sex with were ok with it.
Thats an awfully hazy area. I wonder what Russia's laws regarding this are? In the US the state could still pursue legal action even if the person did not want to push charges, correct?

[CheshireEyes]

Thats an awfully hazy area. I wonder what Russia's laws regarding this are? In the US the state could still pursue legal action even if the person did not want to push charges, correct?
Yes, correct, that's why cases are "the people vs."

[Caitlin.ann]

Yes, correct, that's why cases are "the people vs."

I thought that was true for all criminal suits though. Civil are person vs. person and criminal is state vs. person. Just curious.

[CheshireEyes]

I thought that was true for all criminal suits though. Civil are person vs. person and criminal is state vs. person. Just curious.

yup. Its the state prosecuting on behalf of the people.