Michael Jackson Dies

[Athena-Nadine]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/


Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon at his Holmby Hills home and paramedics were unable to revive him. We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back.

A source tells us Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived.

[Laisrean]

Wow.... that's weird, because I mentioned him just today...

I can't say as I liked him or anything, but his is a tragic case.

[Nicholas]

Hoax me thinks

[WokeUpDead]

Bad day to be a celebrity.

[Athena-Nadine]

Hoax me thinks
Maybe. It's been confirmed that he was hospitalized today.

[Shanti]

Hoax me thinksRight now CNN is saying he did have a heart attack. Its tickered so time will tell when the news is released!

[Willow Rosette]

Is this for real?

[Shanti]

Make that in cardiac arrest at the time of transport to hospital.

[Phoenix Blue]

I think the reputable news sources are going to wait for some sort of official word, but I think it's likely the gossip sources have the right of it.

Either way, wow.

[Seren_]

The Beeb are reporting that he's been hospitalised with a suspected cardiac arrest, but nobody will confirm if CPR has been successful.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8119951.stm

[Athena-Nadine]

CNN and the New York Times have reported that he has been hospitalized for a heart attack. So far TMZ is the only source saying he didn't make it. I'm still trying to find more info because I don't really trust TMZ.

[Nicholas]

You'd think that cup of Jesus Juice every day would help him out.

[Shanti]

I'm watching live streaming CNN now.

[memnoch]

Shit, we are in trouble now

[Bartmanhomer]

WHOA! Are you serious?!?! Michael Jackson really died?! Oh snap, I don't believe it! :jawdrop:

[memnoch]

Just like the children who stayed with him, didn't see it coming

[WitchOfEndor]

Wow I'm stunned.

[Nicholas]

Just like the children who stayed with him, didn't see it coming

Glad I'm not the only one making jokes ;)

[Athena-Nadine]

Reuters, AP, and a few network news syndicates are reporting his death per TMZ. If they're wrong, there will be a hell of a lot of retractions posted.

[Bluewillow]

Personally, I'm not sure what to believe. CNN.com is reporting that he suffered cardiac arrest and was treated by paramedics before being taken to the UCLA Medical Center, but they also haven't commented on his present condition.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson/index.html

[LacyRoze]

CNN just reported he's in a coma.

[~Audra~]

he's in a comma right now...still, so sad...but really, other than the fact he USED to make music, why do we care more about him than we do another? he's a human just like everyone else...does his being a celebrity really merit so much publicity? he's been "dead" to the public for a while now...

i love his music, though...he's a legend in that respect

[memnoch]

Reuters, AP, and a few network news syndicates are reporting his death per TMZ. If they're wrong, there will be a hell of a lot of retractions posted.

L.A. Times is called it a coma nearly a half hour ago.

[Caitlin.ann]

I'm not really sad..I mean not as sad as Neda made me. I wonder if he had prior heart issues?

[Nicholas]

I'm not really sad..I mean not as sad as Neda made me. I wonder if he had prior heart issues?

He obviously did not hit the Jesus juice hard enough.

[Caitlin.ann]

He obviously did not hit the Jesus juice hard enough.
Lol.

"LA Times: MICHAEL JACKSON DIES - CNN will not confirm"...such a mind hug.

[~Audra~]

now CNN is saying he's dead...

[Caitlin.ann]

now CNN is saying he's dead...

Lol see above. :p

[Shanti]

CNN live..MJ is confirmed dead!

[Caitlin.ann]

CNN live..MJ is confirmed dead!

They won't confirm it...read the fine print.. :p

[Glowy]

I am shocked. I was a huge fan of Thriller, Bad and well a ton of his music. He was an icon.

Sad about Farrah too. She was iconic for the 70's

[memnoch]

Sad about Farrah too. She was iconic for the 70's

Who?

[Shanti]

They won't confirm it...read the fine print.. :p
I'm watching ti live. Nothing to read!!! LOL
They said LA times has confirmed him dead. Thats what they just said, trying to type as I listen.
CNN is trying to confirm it for themselves now.

[DoktorSick]

I just checked msnbc.com and say he's dead. Damn!!!! Someone needs to start playing that thriller song to bring him back to life.

[Nicholas]

BBC - "Unconfirmed reports on TMZ website and in the Los Angeles Times say the 50-year-old star has died."

[Caitlin.ann]

I'm watching ti live. Nothing to read!!! LOL
They said LA times has confirmed him dead. Thats what they just said, trying to type as I listen.
CNN is trying to confirm it for themselves now.

I was just teasing..I did say CNN was doing a mind ****. He probably is dead but CNN is afraid to report that they have confirmed it just yet.

[Bartmanhomer]

I am shocked. I was a huge fan of Thriller, Bad and well a ton of his music. He was an icon.

Sad about Farrah too. She was iconic for the 70's

I'm a huge fan of beat it!

Beat it, Beat it, Beat it, Beat it! I am really really..........sad. I'm sorry my peeps, but this news is too much for me! :sadman::heartbrea

[Athena-Nadine]

MSNBC is saying it's confirmed on their home page and the L.A. Times is saying he's dead as well.

[Laisrean]

This reminds me of like in the movie Valkyrie where everyone hears Hitler is dead, and then everyone's not so sure and then it results in a big disappointment when it is revealed Hitler was still alive.

Not that M.J. is Hitler mind you, or even close to Hitler... but a lot of people hate pedophiles.

[Glowy]

Who?
Farrah Fawcett- Charlie's Angels??

[Shanti]

For this older person, I remember when MJ just got into the music business as a scrawny little kid and watched him throughout his entire career.

Its sad to see him pass. 50 is to young.

[memnoch]

Farrah Fawcett- Charlie's Angels??

It was sarcasm pointing to the fact that is now considered old news since Jacko one upped her.

[Glowy]

For this older person, I remember when MJ just got into the music business as a scrawny little kid and watched him throughout his entire career.

Its sad to see him pass. 50 is to young.


I agree, he was MTV in the 80's. Everything he did was gold then

[Willow Rosette]

This reminds me of like in the movie Valkyrie where everyone hears Hitler is dead, and then everyone's not so sure and then it results in a big disappointment when it is revealed Hitler was still alive.

I just watched that last night and your right. Although it appears this time it is true. Although it could easily have been faked for publicity.

[Glowy]

It was sarcasm pointing to the fact that is now considered old news since Jacko one upped her.
:hahugh:

[memnoch]

so, who payed outrageous prices on Ebay for his comeback tour?

[WordFuzion]

Okay...when I was a misunderstood little girl with Tourette's in the early 90's, Michael Jackson's music brought me alot of comfort and happiness. So I feel really, really bad right now.

I was a big fan of his and I don't think I ever stopped being a fan, because I never believed the allegations against him. (And I have been sexually abused/assaulted four times under the age of fourteen, so I am VERY hostile towards pedophiles)

RIP Michael...may the peace that eluded you in life be with you in death.

[Bartmanhomer]

I just watched that last night and your right. Although it appears this time it is true. Although it could easily have been faked for publicity.

Wait! Hold up! I'm confused, is Michael Jackson dead or alive? Because I beginning to think that the media don't even have their story straight!

[Willow Rosette]

Wait! Hold up! I'm confused, is Michael Jackson dead or alive? Because I beginning to think that the media don't even have their story straight!

It looks like he is dead.

[memnoch]

Wait! Hold up! I'm confused, is Michael Jackson dead or alive? Because I beginning to think that the media don't even have their story straight!

No one wanted to confirm something that TMZ broke, now the only major news source who hasn't confirmed it is the BBC

[memnoch]

the interwebz is quick

http://ismichaeljacksonazombieyet.com/

[Fluoxetine]

so, who payed outrageous prices on Ebay for his comeback tour?

If the story is true then it will be on par with a chimp as pope.

[memnoch]

the BBC finally confirmed it as well

[WitchOfEndor]

I've got alot of good memories of Jackson, when Thriller came out & how everyone was crazy for him. I wonder what will happen to his poor kids. :(

[memnoch]

I've got alot of good memories of Jackson, when Thriller came out & how everyone was crazy for him. I wonder what will happen to his poor kids. :(

the won't get dropped off of a balcony

[Caitlin.ann]

Why are people gathering outside of his home?

[Fluoxetine]

BBC Live has confirmed that Jackson has died.

[memnoch]

Why are people gathering outside of his home?

to rescue the children?

[Bartmanhomer]

BBC Live has confirmed that Jackson has died.

Is it really official?!

[Athena-Nadine]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson/index.html

[Glowy]

Europe and most of the world loves him

He lost favor in America.

[memnoch]

Europe and most of the world loves him

He lost favor in America.

thats what happens when you diddle children

[Anthony41671]

hold on...wait...trying...straining...ummm...

Nope, not a single tear.

[Lunar Raven]

Wow..dead? That's surprising, I didn't see that coming.

Tis a sad day I'm sure for his fans and family.

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

The world's biggest child molester, Michael Jackson. is dead at age 50. I'm not going to cry. I didn't like him and despised him with his child molestation shenanigans.

[Sitalique]

Loved his music.
Thriller shall be played tonight.

[memnoch]

its sad, his heart stopped and the doctors couldn't beat it.

[aranarose]

You know, that's gotta piss off more than a couple of prosecutors who would have loved to have taken him down...

Just sayin'...

[aranarose]

its sad, his heart stopped and the doctors couldn't beat it.

I am so ****ing glad I didn't take a drink of my water before reading your comment...

[Trithemius]

Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson. All within three days.

[Anthony41671]

You know, that's gotta piss off more than a couple of prosecutors who would have loved to have taken him down...

Just sayin'...

He died (or faked his death) on purpose, just to piss them all off!

[evergreen]

Wow, his death is out of left field. When my dad called me, I thought he was trying to pull my leg.

Anybody watching the craziness going on with his fans that are outside the hospital?

[evergreen]

Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson. All within three days.

My mom says that celebrities die in threes. Kind of weird that it does seem to happen.

[Spica]

RIP. He was a great musician.
What a shock, seriously though. :(

[rufio]

Tonight I'm going to listen to all my fav songs from him
I still love you Michael! (maybe because I'm european, yeah, shun me!)

[Trithemius]

My mom says that celebrities die in threes. Kind of weird that it does seem to happen.

After the news of Farrah's death earlier today, I was wondering who the next one would be. I never would have guessed Michael Jackson.

[Bartmanhomer]

Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson. All within three days.

Our well known famous and favorite celebrities is disintegrating each day! YO I really hope that 50 cent won't be the fourth person died tommorrow to be part of "celebrity cementry" and he surive by 50 bullets!

[WordFuzion]

Tonight I'm going to listen to all my fav songs from him
I still love you Michael! (maybe because I'm european, yeah, shun me!)

I won't shun you. I never stopped loving Michael. His music was the soundtrack of my growning up. I just hope he finds peace now.

[rufio]

I won't shun you. I never stopped loving Michael. His music was the soundtrack of my growning up. I just hope he finds peace now.

My hope too!

[Lunar Raven]

thats what happens when you diddle children

Nice to know a 'not guilty' verdict means nothing in America. Not that anyone knows either way..but I wouldn't be completely sure he ever *diddled* with children..given the facts of the cases (the latest one anyway..where the parent WAS a weirdo). Either way.. I don't know. Publicity and looking like a freak of nature can work against you in the public eye, however.

Anyway it's really no more sad than when anyone else dies.. If anything I find it incredibly surprising and out of nowhere.

[Bartmanhomer]

I remember a long time ago! Michael Jackson was in the simpson episode. He play the fat guy in the mental hospital who thinks he Michael Jackson with Homer! Yo I really love that episode for the remembrance of Michael Jackson! :heartbrea:heartbrea:heartbrea:heartbrea

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

After the news of Farrah's death earlier today, I was wondering who the next one would be. I never would have guessed Michael Jackson.

Yeah that is pretty weird that Michael Jackson was #3. My parents and I thought it was going to be Patrick Swayze instead.

[evergreen]

Yeah that is pretty weird that Michael Jackson was #3. My parents and I thought it was going to be Patrick Swayze instead.

Honestly, I was thinking the same thing. He seems to just keep pushing, though.

[Lunar Raven]

I remember a long time ago! Michael Jackson was in the simpson episode. He play the fat guy in the mental hospital who thinks he Michael Jackson with Homer! Yo I really love that episode for the remembrance of Michael Jackson! :heartbrea:heartbrea:heartbrea:heartbrea

I remember that one..LOL. Good epsiode.

[Laisrean]

David Carradine wasn't that long ago either.

You can't help but wonder who will be next? M.J. isn't someone we expected. The next one might be Miley Cyrus, for all we know.

[Anthony41671]

Yeah that is pretty weird that Michael Jackson was #3. My parents and I thought it was going to be Patrick Swayze instead.

He's so close to death, that he'll live for awhile yet.

[Glowy]

I just wish him some type of peace.. He was such a handsome young man back in his day.. OK- I can understand the ONE nose surgery... but good heavens.. he Latoya and Janet now all look plastic
MJ circa 1981
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[evergreen]

David Carradine wasn't that long ago either.

You can't help but wonder who will be next? M.J. isn't someone we expected. The next one might be Miley Cyrus, for all we know.

That's true, too! That means we've got another two if it really goes in threes.

[Caitlin.ann]

David Carradine wasn't that long ago either.

You can't help but wonder who will be next? M.J. isn't someone we expected. The next one might be Miley Cyrus, for all we know.
Oh god..that would be something blown up way worse than this.

[Lunar Raven]

Yeah that is pretty weird that Michael Jackson was #3. My parents and I thought it was going to be Patrick Swayze instead.

o.O yeah I would have totally thought it would have been Swayze too..though they showed a picture of him on some show a few weeks ago where he was looking pretty good again.

[evergreen]

Oh god..that would be something blown up way worse than this.

I don't know. CNN has got Al Sharpton going now and I don't think there's any stopping him.

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't know. CNN has got Al Sharpton going now and I don't think there's any stopping him.
Yeah wishing he would shut up.

[Astara Seague]

Michael and Farrah in one day.. go figure I never expected him
I agree Patrick Swayze doesnt look so great as of late either..

[Clair de la Lune]

That's true, too! That means we've got another two if it really goes in threes.

He is number 3 this week. Ed McMahon (sp?)... "Here's Johnny!" -Johnny Carson sidekick and NFL football player

Farrah Fawcett earlier today, aged 61

and Michael Jackson, aged 50 today. He has 3 kids. 2 of the 3 were under his sole custody.

We should pray, reflect, send wishes, and celebrate the people we care about and let them know that we care about them. You just never know...:cutie:

Edited to add: I grew up with these people in my life in one way or another. They were definitely influential and will never be forgotten. I am so glad they decided to do what they did and touch so many lives.

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

David Carradine wasn't that long ago either.

You can't help but wonder who will be next? M.J. isn't someone we expected. The next one might be Miley Cyrus, for all we know.

That would be the day. I despise Miley Cyrus. Shes so annoying and happy and poppy and it's just disgusting!!! Make her go away!!!

[GEBS]

I.........sad. I'm sorry my peeps, but this news is too much for me! :sadman::heartbrea

me too.


The world's biggest child molester, Michael Jackson

:wtf:




I won't shun you. I never stopped loving Michael. His music was the soundtrack of my growning up. I just hope he finds peace now.

My thoughts too. I admit it. I cried. (I cry over nearly everything though.)

I have many great memories that involved either his music or discussion of him. heh... we had a framed picture of him on our living room wall when I was growing up.



Nice to know a 'not guilty' verdict means nothing in America.

again what I was thinking.



Some of you.... :goodgrief

[evergreen]

He is number 3 this week. Ed McMahon (sp?)... "Here's Johnny!" -Johnny Carson sidekick and NFL football player

Farrah Fawcett earlier today, aged 61

and Michael Jackson, aged 50 today. He has 3 kids. 2 of the 3 were under his sole custody.

We should pray, reflect, send wishes, and celebrate the people we care about and let them know that we care about them. You just never know...:cutie:

Oh, is it a week thing, then? Someone brought up David Carradine, so then I thought we're missing two, but the celebrities scratched by that week!

[Glowy]

Does anyone know what will happen to the kids??

He had a wife/baby momma for 2 of them

He seemed to pay her to go away

The family sure does not want to raise 3 kids they hardly know

I hope he had some plan. Is he not completely broke?

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

Sorry GEBS. I don't really care for Michael Jackson and I suffer from Foot In Mouth disease

[Anthony41671]

Nice to know a 'not guilty' verdict means nothing in America.

This will probably get me creamed, but so be it...

Once upon a time O.J. was found not guilty too...and recently a guy in Philly got the snot beat of him before he was ever even charged, let alone found guilty/not guilty.

[aranarose]

[ex] Husband took me grocery shopping, and I told him about M.J. dying. He refused to believe me, and after dropping me off at home has probably rushed to his house to try and debunk me.

[lightdragon]

Does anyone know what will happen to the kids??

He had a wife/baby momma for 2 of them

He seemed to pay her to go away

The family sure does not want to raise 3 kids they hardly know

I hope he had some plan. Is he not completely broke?

nothing has been confirmed yet on what's going to happen to the kids. one of the family members will take care of them. MJ's father did confirm that MJ wasn't feeling ok for awhile despite getting a clean bill of health last march.

As far as him being a pedophile is concerned. that would be rubbish.
He did however revert to young adolescent behavior at times.

[LacyRoze]

Rest in peace Michael.
Thank you for your gifts of music and artistry.
May you find peace.

[GEBS]

Sorry GEBS. I don't really care for Michael Jackson and I suffer from Foot In Mouth disease
No worries. We are all allowed our own opinions. :hugz:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

May you moonwalk across that abyss , Michael...

And may your Neverland on the otherside , be waiting...:thumbsup:

[Fluoxetine]

I had a bizarre thought watching the news. The MJ comeback tour. Imagine if they get to Thriller and a coffin sprang up and MJ popped out and hit the stage, then a few flies.

The mind of the Brit is strange.

[Clair de la Lune]

All I have to say about the whole child molestation topic....

I don't know, I was not actually there.

Unless I was, and...

Unless I was in the jury and actually got to weigh the evidence for myself...and that is ALL the evidence,

He is NOT a child molester in my book, since he was not found guilty.

He is dead, so what does it matter now, anyway, except to the victims if there were any? (It would be between them and him, and only the ones involved know for sure, I guess.):whatmewor Either way, those kids would need counseling....whether they were messed up enough to come up with such stories... or if it actually happened.

[Caitlin.ann]

A lot of people don't like to sympathize with child molesters, so I understand where many are coming from and why it keeps getting mentioned. I'm not stating my own opinion on MJ and whether or not 'he did it', however I am 'just saying'.

[Caitlin.ann]

THURSDAY, June 25, 2009 (Health.com) – Iconic pop star Michael Jackson reportedly suffered a cardiac arrest and died on Thursday at the age of 50. While details of his death have not yet been released, a cardiac arrest is generally much more dangerous than a heart attack.

During cardiac arrest, the heart actually stops beating and quivers with uncoordinated contractions. Unless a defibrillator is used to shock the heart back into a normal rhythm, death is inevitable. Someone experiencing a cardiac arrest generally collapses, loses consciousness, and stops breathing.

Despite dramatic TV portrayals of patients being revived from cardiac arrests, the chances of survival in real life are slim. If a bystander performs cardiopulmonary resuscitation until the heart can be shocked back into a normal rhythm, the chances of survival are much better.

About 95% of people who experience a cardiac arrest die before reaching the hospital.
Link (http://news.health.com/2009/06/25/why-cardiac-arrest-is-deadlier/)

Wow..didn't know that!

[Clair de la Lune]

A lot of people don't like to sympathize with child molesters, so I understand where many are coming from and why it keeps getting mentioned. I'm not stating my own opinion on MJ and whether or not 'he did it', however I am 'just saying'.


I respect your post. I myself will be on the frontline to want to string known child molesters up by their bits and put them in with the general population in prison and see what happens, when you know that they're not much liked there. I do NOT like molesters at all, myself especially when I don't know them personally. The problem is that it is not black and white when you are a victim of it yourself. There is a love-hate relationship sometimes with the perpetrator(s).

I do not know if he did it or not, is all I am saying.

[Faeawyn]

Whether people like him or hate him, to make jokes about his death is in extremely poor taste in my opinion. :goodgrief

[Laisrean]

I don't know. CNN has got Al Sharpton going now and I don't think there's any stopping him.

Sharpton always turns everything into a racial issue. I don't see why he cares though seeing as how Michael isn't black, and hasn't been for a good 20 years. :smileroll

[Laisrean]

Whether people like him or hate him, to make jokes about his death is in extremely poor taste in my opinion. :goodgrief

It is... I'm not going to argue with you on that. It is poor taste...

But that said, a lot of things Michael Jackson did in his life were also in poor taste. For example, dangling infants over balconies and sleeping in the same bed with minors. Whether sex went on in that bed or not hasn't been proven, but what we do know about him and his interactions with children is very inappropriate and so he did (and does) deserve the joking he has received for it.

[Lunar Raven]

Whether people like him or hate him, to make jokes about his death is in extremely poor taste in my opinion. :goodgrief

Completely agreed..especially since as I said, he is by law...not guilty (and I agree with the jury..atleast with the last one). There's no doubt he had his issues..and he was strange, and in many ways put himself into a bad light..but mocking his death with jokes (lame ones at that), is just sad. Atleast, in my view...

Kind of one of those..there's a time and place for everything things...

None the less I see where Laisrean is coming from as well.

Still..RIP Michael Jackson.

[Louisvillian]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/

God save the King (of Pop). :uhhuhuh:

[Dumunzi]

May the Gods watch over him and may they also watch over Farrah Fawcett.

[Clair de la Lune]

Whether people like him or hate him, to make jokes about his death is in extremely poor taste in my opinion. :goodgrief

I hope you did not take anything I said as a joke directed at MJ. I adore him. Even if I didn't. I do think it is in poor taste to keep bringing up the child molestation charges because they are unproven, I do think joking about him is in poor taste too.

He's obviously not here and can't defend himself.

I see him as a very sensitive genius who was sometimes misunderstood. A lot of people who are geniuses are eccentric.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I liked his music...and dance...and weirdness...

Not defending him , or not...

But these comments , are a possible fail...

How ?

Hmmm...given your statement...then putting a child
underwater , or pouring water , which many times ,
( and I know , I watched it ) gets into their nose , and
mouth , during baptism...circumcision...or any of our
ancestors , or past country people , who slept in the
same bed with their children , due to not having enough
beds , or , just allowing the child to sleep with them...
all were in bad taste...

And , I am sure there are many other examples , I am not
thinking of...


But that said, a lot of things Michael Jackson did in his life were also in poor taste. For example, dangling infants over balconies and sleeping in the same bed with minors. Whether sex went on in that bed or not hasn't been proven, but what we do know about him and his interactions with children is very inappropriate and so he did (and does) deserve the joking he has received for it.

[memnoch]

Nice to know a 'not guilty' verdict means nothing in America. Not that anyone knows either way..but I wouldn't be completely sure he ever *diddled* with children..given the facts of the cases (the latest one anyway..where the parent WAS a weirdo). Either way.. I don't know. Publicity and looking like a freak of nature can work against you in the public eye, however.

Anyway it's really no more sad than when anyone else dies.. If anything I find it incredibly surprising and out of nowhere.

O.J. was found not guilty, Lizzy Borden was found not guilty, few complain when they are called murderers.

[aranarose]

I always tended to give him the benefit of the doubt, because no matter how much money he had, if he'd molested as many children as some claim, someone would have come forward and he'd have been convicted. No one, and I mean no one, can get away with molestation and be that public.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I know certain politicians who were declared not guilty ,
who complain like hell , when they are declared the same...


O.J. was found not guilty, Lizzy Borden was found not guilty, few complain when they are called murderers.

[memnoch]

Whether people like him or hate him, to make jokes about his death is in extremely poor taste in my opinion. :goodgrief

no one has ever claimed I'm tasteful, some cry, others laugh.

[Anthony41671]

...and tell me honestly, that if G. W. B. died tomorrow, there wouldn't be near universal celebration and good cheer, with lots and lots of jokes!?

[memnoch]

I know certain politicians who were declared not guilty ,
who complain like hell , when they are declared the same...

some Chappaquiddick murderers weren't even charged, but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, I will call it a duck even when it isn't proven to be a duck...not guilty does not mean not guilty, it means there isn't enough evidence to say guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well...I never saw Michael Jackson beat it , and I would
not get a chance to see G.W.B. wiggle his ears...

I guess it would be a wash...wouldn't it ?


...and tell me honestly, that if G. W. B. died tomorrow, there wouldn't be near universal celebration and good cheer, with lots and lots of jokes!?

[Lavender Rainflower]

May his soul find peace, I will always love him for the magical gift he had with music.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

And then...Iran Contra sound familiar ?


some Chappaquiddick murderers weren't even charged, but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, I will call it a duck even when it isn't proven to be a duck...not guilty does not mean not guilty, it means there isn't enough evidence to say guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Bettie]

This is such shocking news. No matter what he did or didn't do, there is no denying his phenomenal talent. His music - and especially his incredible dancing - was such an inspiration to me while I was growing up.

[Fireyone]

He died at best as an eccentric freak, and at worst in disgrace because he will always have that pedophile vibe, remembered more for that than his music.

I'm very, very curious about what will be discovered at Neverland, if disclosed.

[Anthony41671]

And then...Iran Contra sound familiar ?

The Trail of Tears, Tea pot dome, Credit Moblier, Monica Z, Marilyn Monroe, etc, etc, etc...

The list of crap goes on and on...

I apologize if my lack of caring about MJ being dead offends anyone...

oh wait...No, I'm not sorry.

Shawn, I'm not attacking you directly...if it seems so, then THAT I am sorry for.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

No problem , Anthony...

But you must understand...due to what I know...

I know many of these very things...are real...

Marilyn especially...


The Trail of Tears, Tea pot dome, Credit Moblier, Monica Z, Marilyn Monroe, etc, etc, etc...

The list of crap goes on and on...

I apologize if my lack of caring about MJ being dead offends anyone...

oh wait...No, I'm not sorry.

Shawn, I'm not attacking you directly...if it seems so, then THAT I am sorry for.

[Anthony41671]

No problem , Anthony...

But you must understand...due to what I know...

I know many of these very things...are real...

Marilyn especially...

I don't deny the reality or validity of any of them...the world is full of moron sickos...

[memnoch]

I just saw Zach Braff's response about Jacko's death

"Michael Jackson died as he lived, donating his organs to children."

[Gareth]

Does not matter.
A musical legend is gone.

But all I'm seeing is a bunch of self serving attitudes about what he 'allegedly' did.

Does it really matter now?
I mean really. :geez:

[Shanti]

This is such shocking news. No matter what he did or didn't do, there is no denying his phenomenal talent. His music - and especially his incredible dancing - was such an inspiration to me while I was growing up.

I was just remembering when he started his dancing and added his crotch moves. Oh how some people could not stand his obscene behavior! LOL

Since then, a lot has changed and other performers have found all types of shock and awe to shake up peoples sanctimonious mindsets. And I love it. :toofless:

Thanks MJ for having the guts to grab that crotch and move those hips so some people could get their panties in a bundle for the rest to be entertained by! :thumbsup:

MJ the king of the crotch grabbing contaversy.:toofless:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Yeah...and whether Michael was sick , in certain ways ,
or not...I still loved certain aspects of him...and his many
manifestations on this earthly plane...

We all are ****ed up , in one way , or another...

I rejoice this world got a chance to see , feel , and know ,
as much as possible , this unique human being...

It was a Thriller of a time...:thumbsup:


I don't deny the reality or validity of any of them...the world is full of moron sickos...

[Lunar Raven]

I always tended to give him the benefit of the doubt, because no matter how much money he had, if he'd molested as many children as some claim, someone would have come forward and he'd have been convicted. No one, and I mean no one, can get away with molestation and be that public.

Not to mention he was completely open about his love for children..and at the same time, was bewildered as to why someone would think that having a child spend the night at a grown man's house is weird. In a perfect world without perverts..it wouldn't be weird, but in this society it is. If anything, he was surely ignorant. But seriously..if he were doing anything sexually with them..I highly doubt he'd be so open about kids being around his place, staying over, etc. Infact, if he were doing anything like that..he would try to hide it, not flaunt it on public camera.

All in all I believe he was a kid at heart and on a mental level. Afterall he thought he was peter pan, and in many ways that's true. I doubt he ever molested a child. Having kids spend the night over at his place, etc, sure..today, is inappropriate, but to him it was an innocent (kids are special) type of thing. Just my thoughts on that..anyway.

[Anthony41671]

Everyone's opinion of MJ is their's and I will not dispute that.

Too each their own and more power to you all.

Here, I bow out of this thread and hope that everyone finds their own way to remember him, if you remember him at all.

G'night and Good Luck! (yes, I stole that).

[memnoch]

Does not matter.
A musical legend is gone.

But all I'm seeing is a bunch of self serving attitudes about what he 'allegedly' did.

Does it really matter now?
I mean really. :geez:

Hmmm, I see threads about Farrah and Jacko, but not threads on the thousands of others who died today, do their deaths really matter all that much?

[Lunar Raven]

Hmmm, I see threads about Farrah and Jacko, but not threads on the thousands of others who died today, do their deaths really matter all that much?

Of course they do..but as always, celebrities, musicians, artists, etc always affect people in one way or the other (and sometimes change their lives). To mourn their death isn't wrong...it makes sense. That said..his death isn't any more important than anyone elses..but it may affect someone more than a stranger they never heard about.

[Nicholas]

Hmmm, I see threads about Farrah and Jacko, but not threads on the thousands of others who died today, do their deaths really matter all that much?

I'm indifferent to either of them dying.

[Shanti]

Hmmm, I see threads about Farrah and Jacko, but not threads on the thousands of others who died today, do their deaths really matter all that much?
The only deaths that matter are the ones that in someway touch us. Thats a fact even if it seems cold sometimes.
I dont give a hoot about the other 2 deaths on the news this week.
MJ's death moves me because it does. So this one matters to me and some others but not for everyone. So what. To each their own.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Yes...and no...

If you or I died , would it matter to the masses ?

NO...but because others are elevated to the role of avatars ,
for the masses , right or wrong , it matters...

I don't have a problem with that my friend...do you ?


Hmmm, I see threads about Farrah and Jacko, but not threads on the thousands of others who died today, do their deaths really matter all that much?

[memnoch]

I'm indifferent to either of them dying.

same here, and I love a lot of Jacko's music.


The only deaths that matter are the ones that in someway touch us. Thats a fact even if it seems cold sometimes.
I dont give a hoot about the other 2 deaths on the news this week.
MJ's death moves me because it does. So this one matters to me and some others but not for everyone. So what. To each their own.

I just don't understand being touched to that extent by someone I've never met who doesn't give a rats ass about me.


Yes...and no...

If you or I died , would it matter to the masses ?

NO...but because others are elevated to the role of avatars ,
for the masses , right or wrong , it matters...

I don't have a problem with that my friend...do you ?

I'm just pointing out that my opinion of him is still valid, despite his death, just as others opinions and "grief" in his death are valid, even if I don't understand it.

[Shanti]

I just don't understand being touched to that extent by someone I've never met who doesn't give a rats ass about me.

I can be touched by the music and by the memories that are stirred.

For example, MJ stirs memories for me of my first pet rat that of course was named Ben!

It doesnt matter if the person never knew me or gave 2 hecks in the wind. Because of that person, I have memories!

And with the loss of that person, a sadness does appear since they are responsible for some of your lifes memories.

LOL..Ben. I used to sing that song to my rat!! :uhhuhuh:
Now that song is going to be playing in my head.
Heck I may as well go get a dose of Ben from you tube. :)

[Bettie]

The only deaths that matter are the ones that in someway touch us. Thats a fact even if it seems cold sometimes.
I dont give a hoot about the other 2 deaths on the news this week.
MJ's death moves me because it does. So this one matters to me and some others but not for everyone. So what. To each their own.

QFT. I never even heard of Ed McMahon until he died, and Farrah Fawcett was before my time, although I'd heard of her it was really only in conjunction with her public cancer battle. Michael Jackson was an inspiration to me, as a dancer, and also as a fan of his music. Yes, it's sad that thousands of non-famous people have died, but I guess I just don't have the emotional capacity to care about every single death that happens on our planet in any given day.

[Shanti]

MJ is responsible for some of my puberty memories!!
When I was 12 my girl friend and I would practice kissing the mirror as we talked about growing up and kissing MJ!!! LMAO

I am so glad I am no longer 12! :toofless:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

You know...you probably don't give a rat's ass about me...

But I would miss you...if you died...

No matter what I think of some of your posts , beliefs , and
attitudes...that clear enough for you ?

...LOL...hugz...



I just don't understand being touched to that extent by someone I've never met who doesn't give a rats ass about me.

[Bettie]

LOL..Ben. I used to sing that song to my rat!!



:lol:

Me too - I sang it to my rats this morning.. :)

[memnoch]

I can be touched by the music and by the memories that are stirred.

For example, MJ stirs memories for me of my first pet rat that of course was named Ben!

It doesnt matter if the person never knew me or gave 2 hecks in the wind. Because of that person, I have memories!

And with the loss of that person, a sadness does appear since they are responsible for some of your lifes memories.

LOL..Ben. I used to sing that song to my rat!! :uhhuhuh:
Now that song is going to be playing in my head.
Heck I may as well go get a dose of Ben from you tube. :)

Maybe I should take it further, I was sad when Johnny Cash died, but not to the extent it bothered me for more than a moment, and not to the point I would take offense to jokes being made...I guess to me people like that live on long after their time on Earth.

[Shanti]

Maybe I should take it further, I was sad when Johnny Cash died, but not to the extent it bothered me for more than a moment, and not to the point I would take offense to jokes being made...I guess to me people like that live on long after their time on Earth.
I never said I take offense to any thing anyone has said because I dont give a heck!
I am sharing myself, end of script.
What another shares is their choice, end of script.
:)

[memnoch]

You know...you probably don't give a rat's ass about me...

But I would miss you...if you died...

No matter what I think if some of your posts , beliefs , and
attitudes...that clear enough for you ?

...LOL...hugz...

Oh boy...I'm going to get shit about this, but I'm not one to keep my opinions to myself. Let me preface this by saying that we, as members of a forum have more of a personal relationship than most of us have with any celebrity.

The reality is the majority of people here I don't care about to that extent, that I would miss them being gone, and I expect I would quickly be forgotten by many (although with posts like these, I might get more attention than I think). Maybe part of that is the years of experience on forums, people come and they go, they may have meaning in a brief moment in time, but the reality is most are forgotten quickly.

With that said, I am touched by your post, and by others who may not be as jaded as I on some things.

[memnoch]

I never said I take offense to any thing anyone has said because I dont give a heck!
I am sharing myself, end of script.
What another shares is their choice, end of script.
:)

and it wasn't directed at you, but in response to your post, as there are some here who have seem to have taken offense.

[Laisrean]

MJ is responsible for some of my puberty memories!!
When I was 12 my girl friend and I would practice kissing the mirror as we talked about growing up and kissing MJ!!! LMAO

I am so glad I am no longer 12! :toofless:

You were the right age... MJ loves 12 year olds. :thumbsup:

[Shanti]

:lol:

Me too - I sang it to my rats this morning.. :)
I just got done watching the video on you tube. I remembered seeing the orginal the tv appearance when I was a kid, while I was just now watching. Time..wow it moves.

During that period of time I was so hooked on rats and the movies Ben and Willard all because of that one song. LOL
I sided with the rats in the movies. :toofless:

All my kids, some grown now, have had pet rats through the years.
Its all MJ's fault! He made me a rat lover. :toofless:

[Shanti]

You were the right age... MJ loves 12 year olds. :thumbsup:Nice try. Not.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

May your , and other's hearts open , and find love for others here...and elsewhere...you are not the only one...

As much shit as Infinite Grey , and Skilly - Nilly give me...

I would miss them too...they are the unique beings they are...

I might not like them , or I may...I might not agree with them ,
or I may...but I would , and will miss them , if they go , before me...

And that , for me...is my way...:thumbsup:


Oh boy...I'm going to get shit about this, but I'm not one to keep my opinions to myself. Let me preface this by saying that we, as members of a forum have more of a personal relationship than most of us have with any celebrity.

The reality is the majority of people here I don't care about to that extent, that I would miss them being gone, and I expect I would quickly be forgotten by many (although with posts like these, I might get more attention than I think). Maybe part of that is the years of experience on forums, people come and they go, they may have meaning in a brief moment in time, but the reality is most are forgotten quickly.

With that said, I am touched by your post, and by others who may not be as jaded as I on some things.

[Bettie]

It's bizarre - I am usually not the sort of person who cries over celebrities, but I just watched that clip of Michael, aged - what was it 8 or 9? - singing with the Jackson 5, and just watching that talented, innocent child, and knowing what his life became, all the scandals, the innuendo, the accusations, knowing that even as a boy he never had anything close to a normal life, and never would... I admit to tearing up a little.

I'm gonna blame pregnancy hormones, but still..

[memnoch]

You were the right age... MJ loves 12 year olds. :thumbsup:

wrong gender though.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Underneath it all...the shell that has kept you safe...

You are one of the most loving , and caring , and gentle
beings...but I won't spread it too far , Bettie...:thumbsup:


It's bizarre - I am usually not the sort of person who cries over celebrities, but I just watched that clip of Michael, aged - what was it 8 or 9? - singing with the Jackson 5, and just watching that talented, innocent child, and knowing what his life became, all the scandals, the innuendo, the accusations, knowing that even as a boy he never had anything close to a normal life, and never would... I admit to tearing up a little.

I'm gonna blame pregnancy hormones, but still..

[memnoch]

odd, I go to look for a clip from family guy and every link I could find seems to be removed, so I will just quote the script.

He is shown eating a bowl of Frosted Wheats cereal, stating, (while in the form of his childhood) "The kid in me likes the frosted side", (and while in adult form) "But the grownup in me likes the kid in me.

[Sage Rainsong]

WOW!! This is just upsetting I am a HUGE, unapologetic Michael Jackson fan. I can't believe that he is dead. It's such a loss.

[sparrowspirit]

I heard about it middle of the afternoon 4pm-ish. I totally didn't believe it. then I checked Perez-hilton, then CNN, and then Yahoo News. then. I called my sister. she reads everything.

What i don't like, is people making fun of him. I know I'm young and his career was way before I was born, but I respect those who have departed, no matter how much media-attention their actions caused.

MJ will always be remembered.

[Caitlin.ann]

Personally I find it amusing how scandalous he was when he was alive and everyone seemed to make fun of him for something but now that he's dead he's just an iconic legend that everyone is crying over. Just saying it seems a bit hypocritical to me..

[AD Ranneth Gergovis]

Well, for the last several years the man has been white as a ghost, now he is one. But that's one seance I want no part of...(now I sit back and wait for the ridicule).

Oh, come on. Someone was gonna make a joke, why not me, I never do. Remember, if you can't laugh you deserve to cry.

[WokeUpDead]

I just saw Zach Braff's response about Jacko's death

"Michael Jackson died as he lived, donating his organs to children.":lol:
Zach Braff is awesome. I love Scrubs.

[Bartmanhomer]

May i post my angel cards to give postive support for michael family in this thread?

[AD Ranneth Gergovis]

Personally I find it amusing how scandalous he was when he was alive and everyone seemed to make fun of him for something but now that he's dead he's just an iconic legend that everyone is crying over. Just saying it seems a bit hypocritical to me..

Truer words are rarely spoken. Not to mention now Entertainment Tonight will have "exclusive information" on the subject for the next 6 months. (Remember Anna Nicole Smith)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I never made fun of him...and I am not crying...

Everyone might not be the best word...my friend...:uhhuhuh:


Personally I find it amusing how scandalous he was when he was alive and everyone seemed to make fun of him for something but now that he's dead he's just an iconic legend that everyone is crying over. Just saying it seems a bit hypocritical to me..

[AWash85]

I always sympathized with Micheal...

The poor guy, he never had a normal life. May he find peace for once.

[WordFuzion]

I think I liked Michael Jackson so much BECAUSE of the weirdness. In school I took so much crap because of the Tourette's. I was an outcast. Seeing him being so weird, but yet so famous gave me hope that I could do the same for myself on a smaller level. *shrug* When you're 11, you pick strange Idols. Especially considering I was a little white girl who wanted to dress up as MJ for Halloween. Boy did Mom have fun explaining to me why THAT wasn't a good idea... :toofless:

Now I am going to bow out of this thread (probably) with a observation that Bob Zmuda, who wrote an awesome book about best friend Andy Kaufman, said about Andy and Jim Henson. I think it applies so well to Michael: Perhaps men with the hearts of little boys are never meant to grow old.

[Cunae]

Personally I find it amusing how scandalous he was when he was alive and everyone seemed to make fun of him for something but now that he's dead he's just an iconic legend that everyone is crying over. Just saying it seems a bit hypocritical to me..


I agree. I can't believe FOX, CNN, the others all saying shit like "the world mourns"... pfft. Certainly, his true fans are in mourning and I really feel for them. I can only imagine how much they must be hurting.

But let's face it, MJ was less an icon than a freak show. I find his death interesting but I am already sick of hearing the over-the-top accolades... esp from people who not so long ago ridiculed Jackson's perverted behaviors.

I will be glad when he's buried and the stories move on. In the meantime, the death of a real icon and true hero in the battle against cancer, Farrah Fawcett, is all but forgotten already.

[Sequoia]

You were the right age... MJ loves 12 year olds. :thumbsup:

Poor taste, man. All of your "jokes".

My jury is out on what he did or did not do with kids. All I know is that the man gave millions of people a great deal of happiness. He never had a normal childhood or adult life. And he was hounded by the media until his last day.

By all means, don't mourn if you don't feel like it. But don't mock those who do.

*shrugs*

[Laisrean]

Poor taste, man.

Of course its poor taste. What's your point?

[Bettie]

. In the meantime, the death of a real icon and true hero in the battle against cancer, Farrah Fawcett, is all but forgotten already.


How exactly was Farrah Fawcett a "true hero"? She did what everyone else with cancer does - she fought it as much as she could, and tried hard not to let it beat her. That's not heroic, that's just human nature.

[Lavender Rainflower]

Whatever you think of him personal is fine, but you have to know that he was the biggest music performer. He is loved by countless fans. He will be greatly missed, and all joke about the dead are in poor taste

[Laisrean]

How exactly was Farrah Fawcett a "true hero"? She did what everyone else with cancer does - she fought it as much as she could, and tried hard not to let it beat her. That's not heroic, that's just human nature.

Michael Jackson's death wasn't heroic either, but yet he gets a thread of 20 pages dedicated to his death, whereas Farrah gets... ? Nothing, it seems.

[lightdragon]

I agree. I can't believe FOX, CNN, the others all saying shit like "the world mourns"... pfft. Certainly, his true fans are in mourning and I really feel for them. I can only imagine how much they must be hurting.

let's face it, whether you are a fan of his music or not. He was either THEE most successful one or the very least on the top. Reguardless most people are in mourning or the very least upset.


How exactly was Farrah Fawcett a "true hero"? She did what everyone else with cancer does - she fought it as much as she could, and tried hard not to let it beat her. That's not heroic, that's just human nature. Believe it or not. people loose hope and they throw in the towel. they need something to believe in. initially she was expected to die about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago. she found a way to extend it and almost beat it. actually for a few months she was tumor free until they returned. if she gave up she would have been dead sooner. also by going through the treatments she paved the way for doctors to possibly cure other people by using her.


Poor taste, man. All of your "jokes".

My jury is out on what he did or did not do with kids. All I know is that the man gave millions of people a great deal of happiness. He never had a normal childhood or adult life. And he was hounded by the media until his last day.

By all means, don't mourn if you don't feel like it. But don't mock those who do.

*shrugs*

I can't agree more with this.

[Shanti]

Michael Jackson's death wasn't heroic either, but yet he gets a thread of 20 pages dedicated to his death, whereas Farrah gets... ? Nothing, it seems.Like your not helping to make this thread longer!!! LOL

[lightdragon]

Like your not helping to make this thread longer!!! LOLwonder if this will be the longest thread on MW:weirdsmil

[Shawn Blackwolf]

As far as the other threads , it will "Beat It"...:bigredgri



wonder if this will be the longest thread on MW:weirdsmil

[Bluewillow]

While I've never been a fan necessarily, I sympathized with Jackson in a sense, because he seemed to be under intense scrutiny by the public eye for most of his life, which (I am sure) would make anybody in that situation feel under great pressure (and that's putting it mildly). I think that pressure really screwed with his mind in a very big sense.

I don't know whether or not he did was he was accused of. He may have, he may not have. I hope for his potential victims' sake that he didn't. And if he did, I hope he is held accountable in some sense.

I am not a fan of his style of music (with the exception of a few songs), and, to be honest, I don't actually feel any great sorrow at his passing, but I'll at least try to give the fans that he had some consideration and acknowledge the fact that he was a very talented individual who certainly contributed something unique and important to music.

[Burning Angel]

let's face it, whether you are a fan of his music or not. He was either THEE most successful one or the very least on the top. Reguardless most people are in mourning or the very least upset.

I'm not in mourning or upset...I've got empathy for those of us who really were affected by his death, but to me it's at the very least no biggie, and may be one less pedo scum. Besides, I wasn't a fan of 80s pop and really prefer my evilness black metal :jon:

~Jon :boing:

[Terra Mater]

Actually the length of the threads about both deaths is very fitting. Farrah died as quietly as she lived. Michael goes out with the same fanfare he courted throughout his life.

While Michael was not loved by many of us, it is very bad form to bash his mourners. Bash him all you wish, but leave his mourners alone.

Personally I celebrate that two lives who knew great discord and pain (for different reasons) are now at peace. Both were recordsetters in their own niches and deserved the respect due recordsetters. Let's either let Michael's controversies die with him or start a different thread for the bashers to "eulogize" him in our own way.

[lightdragon]

I'm not in mourning or upset...I've got empathy for those of us who really were affected by his death, but to me it's at the very least no biggie, and may be one less pedo scum. Besides, I wasn't a fan of 80s pop and really prefer my evilness black metal :jon:

~Jon :boing:
Well i only had one album of his. most were hard rock or traditional metal like KISS,Ozzy, Lita ford,etc. Never was a fan of 80's pop either unless you had a hot chick in some sexy outfit. and if you go look at my quote, i did say most. i do know there are people rejoicing he died or the very least don't give a crap.

[Bettie]

Michael Jackson's death wasn't heroic either, but yet he gets a thread of 20 pages dedicated to his death, whereas Farrah gets... ? Nothing, it seems.

I don't think anyone was claiming that MJ was a hero, though. He gets 20 pages because he was one of the most famous people in the world. Farrah Fawcett didn't have that level of world fame and recognition.

[Lavender Rainflower]

I really don’t understand a lot of these posts; this is a man that broke through every barrier that was put in front of him. He was the first black artist to be play on MTV, and that was because thriller was number one on both the white and black radio stations. People of every race, age, and social back ground liked his music; that is an incredible unusual thing to happen. 1 and 10 people in America bought the thriller album, that’s amazing in of its self.

[Lunar Raven]

I don't think anyone was claiming that MJ was a hero, though. He gets 20 pages because he was one of the most famous people in the world. Farrah Fawcett didn't have that level of world fame and recognition.

That and it was completely unexpected. Farrah has been battling cancer for like 3 years..everyone pretty much knew it would happen..especially with the strange type of cancer she had. It's just as sad..but MJ's death was a complete unexpected shock..atleast to me.


I really don’t understand a lot of these posts; this is a man that broke through every barrier that was put in front of him. He was the first black artist to be play on MTV, and that was because thriller was number one on both the white and black radio stations. People of every race, age, and social back ground liked his music; that is an incredible unusual thing to happen. 1 and 10 people in America bought the thriller album, that’s amazing in of its self.

Exactly..regardless of his past controversy..he broke barriers of all sorts. He WAS an icon, despite whatever he looked like..etc.

[HorseCrow]

I really don’t understand a lot of these posts; this is a man that broke through every barrier that was put in front of him. He was the first black artist to be play on MTV, and that was because thriller was number one on both the white and black radio stations. People of every race, age, and social back ground liked his music; that is an incredible unusual thing to happen. 1 and 10 people in America bought the thriller album, that’s amazing in of its self.

I agree. A lot of the posts in this thread leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth....

[Godgifu]

I go back and forth as to how accurate this guy is with his "base 7" system for celebrity deaths, but I think he might have gotten it:

http://www.newprophecy.net/more5.htm (this was from 2002, the site's not much updated these days.)

Looks like Michael Jackson became the 7-year cycle repeat of Jackie Wilson's death.

EDIT: in case you don't feel like reading that whole site to find out the base 7 thing -- basically, he claims that whenever there's an notable celebrity death, another celebrity with a similar name will die in a similar way in some multiple of 7 from that year or month.

[Fluoxetine]

I agree. A lot of the posts in this thread leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth....

Trust me, we can be far worse. If it was not for the jokes we would all be saying poor him. To laugh something off when you should be crying about something gets rid of the feeling quicker.

SO yes, people are sad but at not spending weeks "grieving" over some monochrome man who according to MJ's lawyer was taking drugs to get into shape.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/5681736

So if it is a drug induced death then I would find it funny. For someone to be "that fit with all that energy" suddenly die due to drugs? That is just right for the sarcasm brigade to ruin the memory of.

[LostSheep]

He made some good records, once, but that was a long time ago.

[HorseCrow]

Trust me, we can be far worse. If it was not for the jokes we would all be saying poor him. To laugh something off when you should be crying about something gets rid of the feeling quicker.

SO yes, people are sad but at not spending weeks "grieving" over some monochrome man who according to MJ's lawyer was taking drugs to get into shape.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/5681736

So if it is a drug induced death then I would find it funny. For someone to be "that fit with all that energy" suddenly die due to drugs? That is just right for the sarcasm brigade to ruin the memory of.

I know you can be far worse, i have been here for 5 years. And why not just say poor him?

Regardless, he was still a person who died, he is someones son, brother, father and there are people mourning him- and I feel that should be respected. I am not mourning or in shock, but I respect that others are. I find it to be bad taste when you joke about someones death.
I recognize that joking can release tension, grieving and so on, but that would be kind-joking, and a lot of the "joking" going on in this thread is far from kind.

[Cassie]

I was never really a fan of his but his music and the headlines he generated were like part of the furniture and the landscape I grew up with.
And he was still young. :(
He was a genius in many ways and obviously a deeply flawed and troubled character... But it seems surreal that he will no longer be performing, making music or creating strange and sordid headlines... I am quite shocked at his passing and I hope that he will finally find the answers and the peace that seemed to elude him in this lifetime.

[Nesta]

I'm just wondering if all the people he supposedly paid off (kids parents) will come out of the woodwork now.

I'm not a fan but I'm sorry for his family.

[Fluoxetine]

It is how they express grief. Jackson is dead. Fawcett is dead. Only thing is Fawcett never took drugs to enhance the performance of her skills. Jackson took prescription drugs to improve his stamina.

People are in the own way showing respect. Even a dark respect like the one you read in A Christmas Carol where Scrooge dies and they are joking over his death. That is bad taste but it is how people are.

But he is dead. He always sounded like a guy on helium.

But then the parody of his music is something does show he had influence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN0WWg2ZWQA

[lightdragon]

Jackson took prescription drugs to improve his stamina.



yeah i heard. The Jackson family lawyer made a statement about it. He warned them to control his medication. because if he dies in a suspected way , he will not keep silent about it.

Also with talk about Farrah and michael Jackson dying. Some idiot started a rumor that Jeff Goldblum died.:geez:

[HorseCrow]

Fluoxetine- that is your opion and you are entitled to it. I however, do not agree with you.

[Fluoxetine]

yeah i heard. The Jackson family lawyer made a statement about it. He warned them to control his medication. because if he dies in a suspected way , he will not keep silent about it.

Also with talk about Farrah and michael Jackson dying. Some idiot started a rumor that Jeff Goldblum died.:geez:

Twitter is known for false postings. It is well known in the news of other celebs that are alleged to have died.


Fluoxetine- that is your opion and you are entitled to it. I however, do not agree with you.

So he died, get over it. End of the day he was just a person who died owing $500 million dollars. Entertainer and media hounded. A person that wanted to be left alone but loved the limelight. He had his time and he is no longer here. Why have 20 pages of one persons death? He was only as important as the media made him out to be. Time to let it go and move on.

His fans though, the true hard core fans will just seem pathetic with all the crying. Some are even trying to compare him to Kurt Cobain in the news. He was just Jackson. Had loads of music, talent and it seems drug problems. Just like every other person in the industry.

[Cassie]

So he died, get over it. End of the day he was just a person who died owing $500 million dollars. Entertainer and media hounded. A person that wanted to be left alone but loved the limelight. He had his time and he is no longer here. Why have 20 pages of one persons death? He was only as important as the media made him out to be. Time to let it go and move on.

His fans though, the true hard core fans will just seem pathetic with all the crying. Some are even trying to compare him to Kurt Cobain in the news. He was just Jackson. Had loads of music, talent and it seems drug problems. Just like every other person in the industry.
While I am not at all a fan of MJ I think you are seriously underestimating his influence and his legacy. He was quite possibly the most famous person in the world. 20 pages...? I am sure there will be at least double that by the end of the day...

Time to let go and move on? I think you need to give people time to grieve. Seriously. I didn't particularly like him, but as I said before, his existance was part of the landscape I grew up in and I have a heavy heart today... Something that was there (good or bad-makes no difference) is gone, and it leaves a hole.

Some are trying to compare him to Kurt Cobain? Much as I have a soft spot for KC, he was not in the same league. Jackson was the Sinatra, Lennon or Elvis of our generation. Liking him or his music has nothing to do with it; he was part of our culture and his death will affect some people the same way some were affected by Princess Diana, Elvis Presley or John Lennon. This will become one of those "Where were you when you heard the news?" moments.

[Fluoxetine]

Some are even trying to compare him to Diana. If that is the case the Queen will have to appear on TV and deny it all. At 1am they were even saying that it was just like John Lennon.

So in the next few days there will be a load of media attention. A Load of hyperbole and sadness. Then the lavish and frankly OTT funeral lined by millions of people (of which they are shipped back to the front for the TV crews) and then the commemorative plates showing him in poses like they do with Elvis.

Then the conspiracy theories. Did he fake it as he owed millions? Did he go into a book store to buy his autobiography? Was he killed by Eminem or some secret kung fu style ninjas (See David Carradine for that reference). There will be loads of stuff surrounding him to come out but the real nutcase fans will start a few rumours that will debase the memory of it all.

[LostSheep]

On the radio this morning, they were of course doing all the talking in hushed, sombre tones and playing numerous MJ records in tribute. Then, as part of the scheduled programming which they finally managed to squeeze in, they played Radiohead's 'Creep'. Now, if you want music that defines generations and whatever, there you are. One day Thom Yorke will presumably go the way of all flesh; will the broadcasters be sombre? Will the world be united in grief? Will it warrant more than perhaps an "in other news" on the 12:45 news? I wonder.

[Caitlin.ann]

I really don’t understand a lot of these posts; this is a man that broke through every barrier that was put in front of him. He was the first black artist to be play on MTV, and that was because thriller was number one on both the white and black radio stations. People of every race, age, and social back ground liked his music; that is an incredible unusual thing to happen. 1 and 10 people in America bought the thriller album, that’s amazing in of its self.

Thats not a good reason to mourn someone like CNN is mourning him..

[aluokaloo]

i liked his music but i'm not sad that the old pedo is dead so this doesn't bother me really

[aluokaloo]

My mom says that celebrities die in threes. Kind of weird that it does seem to happen.

doesn't everything come in threes?

[*oonagh*]

my daughter's heart broke. there was nothing i could do. she is devistated.

[WitchJezebel]

I liked his very old stuff and I loved the Jackson 5 as a kid. I feel bad for him, his life was such a train wreck in the last decade and he just couldn't get it together.

I can't say anything about the pedo thing because I don't have the facts but you know now all the secrets will start coming out.

[MammaStar]

I liked his very old stuff and I loved the Jackson 5 as a kid. I feel bad for him, his life was such a train wreck in the last decade and he just couldn't get it together.

I can't say anything about the pedo thing because I don't have the facts but you know now all the secrets will start coming out.

I agree. The old stuff, Jackson Five everything before Bad, I really liked. I'm one of those people that back in the day, bought the Thriller album. I remember when the video was premiering on MTV, me and all my friends gathered in my living room to watch it.

His life was tragic and the people I feel bad for most are his kids and his family. They are left without a son, brother and father. That's always sad.

[Terra Mater]

On the radio this morning, they were of course doing all the talking in hushed, sombre tones and playing numerous MJ records in tribute. Then, as part of the scheduled programming which they finally managed to squeeze in, they played Radiohead's 'Creep'. Now, if you want music that defines generations and whatever, there you are. One day Thom Yorke will presumably go the way of all flesh; will the broadcasters be sombre? Will the world be united in grief? Will it warrant more than perhaps an "in other news" on the 12:45 news? I wonder.

It will be the story of the minute on MTV and will fade out as soon as Danny Elfman kicks the bucket.:toofless:

Seriously though, love him or hate him he began performing when he was 4. We watched this kid grow up on stage and on TV. He redefined the music of the time, helped to shape the video music industry, and his appeal went across several generations. Thom York and Radiohead, while making better music for my personal tastes, are not anywhere close to being in the same ballpark and never will be.

MJ and Farrah are icons of their time, setting records and shattering judgements, for good and ill, throughout the course of their careers. We had their posters on our walls, carried their lunchboxes around and redefined the celebrity circus based on their acclaim. comparing MJ to Lady Di is not so far fetched because few celebrities have captured the imagination on the same level.

Radiohead had a good start at gaining the kind of uber-celeb status when they released In rainbows online and allowed people to set their own price for it, but one great concept a year is just a start. In his heydey, MJ knocked down records like KISS fans go through makeup and leather.

In fact, I don't expect to see anything this insane in funerals until Gene Simmons kicks the proverbial bucket.:toofless:

[Cloaked Raven]

I heard about this last night, while watching TV... Both Mr. Cloaky and I were shocked, MJ was quite young after all.

I do admit that I was a fan of his when I was a child but stopped listening to his music after I got into Bryan Adams and Guns N Roses... His earlier stuff was the best in my opinion.

I'm not a fan of his nowadays, but I do feel sorry for his family and loved ones... After all, they loved him and will grieve his passing.

May he find peace on the other side.

[Raxeph]

Personally I find it amusing how scandalous he was when he was alive and everyone seemed to make fun of him for something but now that he's dead he's just an iconic legend that everyone is crying over. Just saying it seems a bit hypocritical to me..

Which reminds me somewhat of the rather blunt and controversial "Eulogy Song" written by the Chaser comedy team. Looking at recent YouTube comments, I wasn't the only one... the song essentially lists... flaws... of dead celebrities, then points out that they'll still all be "a top bloke after death".

[Lavender Rainflower]

Thats not a good reason to mourn someone like CNN is mourning him..

Well actual that is way he’s on CNN MSNBC and FOX, he crossed barriers. He bought so many different people together with his music, his carrier and influence spanned so many decades, spanned so many generations that natural the world is taking notice when he was lost.

[Morgane]

I've cried over two "celebrities" deaths...Stevie Ray Vaughan and Jeff Healey...

I grew up with Michael Jackson, and have very fond memories of my daughter and that Thriller album - along with the ear plugs I eventually had to buy because you can only take so much of most anything!

I also remember walking by her bedroom one time, to find her with 20+ headless "barbie" dolls strewn across her floor. She was about 4 at the time. I asked her what she was doing, and she looked up at me and said "I'm switching their heads rather than changing their clothes...It's easier". A few minutes later she came into the kitchen with her Michael Jackson doll head in her hands and said "What should I do with this one?" :smile:

She was absolutely devastated when I called her and told her yesterday.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the man.

I don't judge others.

And, really...Do you believe everything you hear about the stars??? Seriously?

[Bettie]

And, really...Do you believe everything you hear about the stars??? Seriously?

Sadly, it seems some people do...

Personally, I don't give a shit whether anyone else liked him or not. If you're sick of the endless media coverage, then switch the radio/TV/internet off. In a day or two it will all have died down, and there'll be some other story. To me, he made some great music, and he was a brilliant dancer, and it is those aspects of him that I am mourning.

[Lunacie]

Sadly, it seems some people do...

Personally, I don't give a shit whether anyone else liked him or not. If you're sick of the endless media coverage, then switch the radio/TV/internet off. In a day or two it will all have died down, and there'll be some other story. To me, he made some great music, and he was a brilliant dancer, and it is those aspects of him that I am mourning.

I agree, there is nothing hypocritical about mourning the loss of his talent as a musician and a dancer, while still seeing what a mess he had made of his personal life and even joking about that.

We humans are complex beings and we can see the humor at the same time we feel the sadness.

[memnoch]

all of this talk about 20 pages is bothering me, unless you have dialup you should have the posts per page set at 40...I'm on page 6...just sayin

[Fireyone]

Here is an interesting take from his friend Deepak Chopra:

http://www.intent.com/deepakchopra/blog/tribute-my-friend-michael-jackson

[Meadhbh]

Yeah thats terrible that he's dead. Did I agree with a lot of what he did? No. Does that mean I can't say its to bad he's dead? Of course not. No matter what he did in his personal life the man was talented. And its a shame to see him pass on.

[Astara Seague]

something to think about ....
how would we like being in the public eye and judged every minute of our lives

Michael Jackson had issues but who here does not
how many of us could handle all the BS we put our celebrities through
for them there is no such thing as privacy

every person has problems, addictions and so forth
some worse then others
who are we to judge the hows and whys

I will just say there is good and bad in everyone..it is unfortuanate so many would rather dwell on the negitive instead of the positive

[memnoch]

Yeah thats terrible that he's dead. Did I agree with a lot of what he did? No. Does that mean I can't say its to bad he's dead? Of course not. No matter what he did in his personal life the man was talented. And its a shame to see him pass on.

Its too bad Hitler wasn't talented, so many people have come on and said, who cares what kind of person he was, he was a great singer and dancer.

Before someone whines, I'm not comparing unhealthy relations with children be it pedophilia or not with genocide, but I'm trying to show that what a person does with their life is more important than any perceived talent.

[Caitlin.ann]

Sadly, it seems some people do...

Personally, I don't give a shit whether anyone else liked him or not. If you're sick of the endless media coverage, then switch the radio/TV/internet off. In a day or two it will all have died down, and there'll be some other story. To me, he made some great music, and he was a brilliant dancer, and it is those aspects of him that I am mourning.

Its just that there is so much more important news right now which we should be focusing on which aren't getting the attention such news stories deserve..(i.e. N. Korea and Iran).

[Caitlin.ann]

Its too bad Hitler wasn't talented, so many people have come on and said, who cares what kind of person he was, he was a great singer and dancer.

Before someone whines, I'm not comparing unhealthy relations with children be it pedophilia or not with genocide, but I'm trying to show that what a person does with their life is more important than any perceived talent.

Agreed.

[memnoch]

Its just that there is so much more important news right now which we should be focusing on which aren't getting the attention such news stories deserve..(i.e. N. Korea and Iran).

another amazing point, the reality is that Michael Jackson's death if ranked in importance would put him on page 5-6 of news stories, maybe the front page of the entertainment section.

[Laisrean]

Its too bad Hitler wasn't talented, so many people have come on and said, who cares what kind of person he was, he was a great singer and dancer.

Hitler was a talented artist who had aspirations of being an architect. But well, the first world war kinda interrupted that and set his life on a completely different course...

But no, we don't remember Hitler today for his paintings (if any indeed still exist). With Michael Jackson its not quite so black and white, because he is roughly half admired as a musician and half despised as a pedophile.

[Cassie]

Its just that there is so much more important news right now which we should be focusing on which aren't getting the attention such news stories deserve..(i.e. N. Korea and Iran).
North Korea and Iran aren't going anywhere, and they will be dominating news headlines for weeks and months to come. There are probably plenty of newsworthy subjects which don't get the attention they deserve each and every day. Who is to say which stories are the most important to those who turn on their tv's? As far as newspapers and the internet are concerned, you can pretty much decide what news you read about and from which standpoint you want to read it. If people are interested in what is going on in Iran they could spend the whole day reading about it if they want.


another amazing point, the reality is that Michael Jackson's death if ranked in importance would put him on page 5-6 of news stories, maybe the front page of the entertainment section.
How do you rank news stories in order of importance? How can you be sure this should only be on page 5?
I am sure there are people in every continent of the world whose leisure time owes something to Micheal Jackson. I doubt if quite so many people have been touched by what happened in the US Congress today, or in wall street or even by what is presently happening in Iran.

[Caitlin.ann]

North Korea and Iran aren't going anywhere, and they will be dominating news headlines for weeks and months to come. There are probably plenty of newsworthy subjects which don't get the attention they deserve each and every day. Who is to say which stories are the most important to those who turn on their tv's? As far as newspapers and the internet are concerned, you can pretty much decide what news you read about and from which standpoint you want to read it. If people are interested in what is going on in Iran they could spend the whole day reading about it if they want.


How do you rank news stories in order of importance? How can you be sure this should only be on page 5?
I am sure there are people in every continent of the world whose leisure time owes something to Micheal Jackson. I doubt if quite so many people have been touched by what happened in the US Congress today, or in wall street or even by what is presently happening in Iran.
MJ is/was one person, one death. Sure he touched peoples lives through his music and he was a good musician, but I rather find the multitude of deaths and human rights violations in the world so much more important than the death of one single musician.

[memnoch]

How do you rank news stories in order of importance? How can you be sure this should only be on page 5?
I am sure there are people in every continent of the world whose leisure time owes something to Micheal Jackson. I doubt if quite so many people have been touched by what happened in the US Congress today, or in wall street or even by what is presently happening in Iran.

Lets see, importance, this is always a few pages back in newspapers, but N. Korea is talking about wiping us off the face of the Earth. How about every single thing our congress/president does on a daily basis, I think the money coming out of my check is a bit more important than some pop star dying. Oh, or how about decisions from all of the circuit courts and the SCOTUS, as those will affect our daily lives in how our rights and freedoms are perceived. How about the daily news on our economy, I am fortunate to have a job right now, about 12% of the people in my area, and 10% nationwide do not. How about anything that affects our lives more than the death of a celebrity.

But that is not what people want, our culture specifically doesn't give a rats ass about the things that go on that will affect their lives, give us more about Jacko and Farrah, give us the latest blonde haired blue eyed pageant girl gone missing, give us the latest story on Speidi or Tomcat, what is Oprah reading this month...but sure enough those who will bitch the most when something they don't like becomes law or doesn't are the ones who didn't give a rats ass during the 3 months of debate in the house and senate, or didn't pay attention as it moved its way through the legal system.

[Lunacie]

MJ is/was one person, one death. Sure he touched peoples lives through his music and he was a good musician, but I rather find the multitude of deaths and human rights violations in the world so much more important than the death of one single musician.


And that's fine. But allow others to find importance where they find it, hm? Let them talk and remember and grieve for a short time and then turn back to other things, things that you may find more important. We're not all on the same schedule here, or using the same rating list.

[Caitlin.ann]

And that's fine. But allow others to find importance where they find it, hm? Let them talk and remember and grieve for a short time and then turn back to other things, things that you may find more important. We're not all on the same schedule here, or using the same rating list.

I'm not preventing anyone from finding any news story important, including MJ's death, however I am griping that I wish the news would put some more important stories on. There are more important things than MJ's death. Additionally I have no way to prevent anyone from chattering to their hearts desire about this, though I am allowed to share my own opinion as well. :)

[Raven Reed]

My theory is that modern media is the equivalent of ancient Rome's bread and circuses. Keep the masses fed and entertained and they won't notice when Rome falls. _inabox_


Lets see, importance, this is always a few pages back in newspapers, but N. Korea is talking about wiping us off the face of the Earth. How about every single thing our congress/president does on a daily basis, I think the money coming out of my check is a bit more important than some pop star dying. Oh, or how about decisions from all of the circuit courts and the SCOTUS, as those will affect our daily lives in how our rights and freedoms are perceived. How about the daily news on our economy, I am fortunate to have a job right now, about 12% of the people in my area, and 10% nationwide do not. How about anything that affects our lives more than the death of a celebrity.

But that is not what people want, our culture specifically doesn't give a rats ass about the things that go on that will affect their lives, give us more about Jacko and Farrah, give us the latest blonde haired blue eyed pageant girl gone missing, give us the latest story on Speidi or Tomcat, what is Oprah reading this month...but sure enough those who will bitch the most when something they don't like becomes law or doesn't are the ones who didn't give a rats ass during the 3 months of debate in the house and senate, or didn't pay attention as it moved its way through the legal system.

[Cassie]

MJ is/was one person, one death. Sure he touched peoples lives through his music and he was a good musician, but I rather find the multitude of deaths and human rights violations in the world so much more important than the death of one single musician.
Me too.
But let's be honest, neither you nor I have actually posted anything about the multitude of deaths or human rights violations in the world today. Nor do we do so on a regular basis because quite frankly and sadly they are no more newsworthy on an ordinary day than they are on a day when a world famous megastar dies.
Meanwhile, I don't begrudge the attention MJ's death is attracting. He is someone we pretty much all have some knowledge of and has had some degree of impact on most of our lives. It is still pretty rare for one person to touch so many others.

[Caitlin.ann]

Me too.
But let's be honest, neither you nor I have actually posted anything about the multitude of deaths or human rights violations in the world today. Nor do we do so on a regular basis because quite frankly and sadly they are no more newsworthy on an ordinary day than they are on a day when a world famous megastar dies.
Meanwhile, I don't begrudge the attention MJ's death is attracting. He is someone we pretty much all have some knowledge of and has had some degree of impact on most of our lives. It is still pretty rare for one person to touch so many others.

Yes I have actually recently. Maybe not 'today' but I happen to have a job and worked today.

[memnoch]

Some stories of importance today that are being ignored because of Jacko.

A senators wife pleads guilty to accepting bribes

How about the case against an 11 year old who was going to be deported because someone forgot to dot some I's and cross some T's when her family moved here legally 8 years ago

How about the Jena 6 trial today?

How about Swede's breaking into the Iranian Embassy?

Or the marketplace bombing in Iraq

How about todays debates on the cap and trade bill (sadly I don't think a majority of Americans know or care about what the cap and trade bill is)

How about 92 Mexican police arrested on drug charges

How about 59 people injured in a train crash in Spain

How about to Brittish men, who were kidnapped in Iraq, whose corpses were returned to Brittain today

Or the drought in India

How about the Duke official who offered up his 5 year old son for sex

How about the missing toddler who's body was found in Indiana

How about the 11th circuit court of appeals declaring it illegal to post naked pictures after a death, even if it is newsworthy, without the families permission

How about the teacher who lost his job (and got it back after taking it mainstream) because he didn't show the Obama innauguration in his class and he had a website that was "too patriotic"

How about Iran charging a slain mans family $3000 for the bullet they shot him with

How about the worlds largest refugee camp, where over 1/4 million Somalis are stuffed into an area meant for 1/3 that many people.

How about the U.S. savings rate at a 15 year high

How about a prototype of a solar powered plane being released

No, Jacko's death, and the 911 call, and the search for his doctor, and the autopsy, and the rumors, and everything else Jacko is SOOOOOOOO much more important.

[Lunar Raven]

Its just that there is so much more important news right now which we should be focusing on which aren't getting the attention such news stories deserve..(i.e. N. Korea and Iran).

And yet you've posted in this thread multiple times. I mean no offense by that..but whether it be negative response or positive..it's still response (to a subject you say is less important than others..such as N. Korea for instance).

I understand that there probably is more important news out there..and there's wars..and other..less known individuals dying.. but at the same time MJ made an impact on peoples lives in many, many ways..so I don't see why mourning his death either online or offline is *wrong* or a problem.

I mean..people complain about this whenever someone "famous" dies and people make posts/threads on it. Mmkay..yes..other people are dying out there...thousands of people today I'm sure..and yesterday...and the day before..etc.. Though I never knew anything of them..so I'm not going to make a thread on it.

I'm sad when anyone dies..but if it's some unknown person to myself, that I never heard of or that never impacted my life..frankly I'm not going to take note of it. I see no purpose in making a thread each day dedicated to the people out there that died that I have no link to what-so-ever.


Some stories of importance today that are being ignored because of Jacko.

A senators wife pleads guilty to accepting bribes

How about the case against an 11 year old who was going to be deported because someone forgot to dot some I's and cross some T's when her family moved here legally 8 years ago

How about the Jena 6 trial today?

How about Swede's breaking into the Iranian Embassy?

Or the marketplace bombing in Iraq

How about todays debates on the cap and trade bill (sadly I don't think a majority of Americans know or care about what the cap and trade bill is)

How about 92 Mexican police arrested on drug charges

How about 59 people injured in a train crash in Spain

How about to Brittish men, who were kidnapped in Iraq, whose corpses were returned to Brittain today

Or the drought in India

How about the Duke official who offered up his 5 year old son for sex

How about the missing toddler who's body was found in Indiana

How about the 11th circuit court of appeals declaring it illegal to post naked pictures after a death, even if it is newsworthy, without the families permission

How about the teacher who lost his job (and got it back after taking it mainstream) because he didn't show the Obama innauguration in his class and he had a website that was "too patriotic"

How about Iran charging a slain mans family $3000 for the bullet they shot him with

How about the worlds largest refugee camp, where over 1/4 million Somalis are stuffed into an area meant for 1/3 that many people.

How about the U.S. savings rate at a 15 year high

How about a prototype of a solar powered plane being released

No, Jacko's death, and the 911 call, and the search for his doctor, and the autopsy, and the rumors, and everything else Jacko is SOOOOOOOO much more important.

Yes and you're posting about these very important subjects in the Michael Jackson thread. How helpful. I'm sure these subjects will now be brought to light because of it..:smileroll

[Caitlin.ann]

And yet you've posted in this thread multiple times. I mean no offense by that..but whether it be negative response or positive..it's still response (to a subject you say is less important than others..such as N. Korea for instance).

I understand that there probably is more important news out there..and there's wars..and other..less known individuals dying.. but at the same time MJ made an impact on peoples lives in many, many ways..so I don't see why mourning his death either online or offline is *wrong* or a problem.

I mean..people complain about this whenever someone "famous" dies and people make posts/threads on it. Mmkay..yes..other people are dying out there...thousands of people today I'm sure..and yesterday...and the day before..etc.. Though I never knew anything of them..so I'm not going to make a thread on it.

I'm sad when anyone dies..but if it's some unknown person to myself, that I never heard of or that never impacted my life..frankly I'm not going to take note of it. I see no purpose in making a thread each day dedicated to the people out there that died that I have no link to what-so-ever.

Are dissenting opinions no longer allowed on here? Hmm must have missed the memo.

There IS more important news out there. Look above at Memnoch's posts to see a brief summary, a few of which I've taken the liberty to post in PP and JCE.

[Caitlin.ann]

Yes and you're posting about these very important subjects in the Michael Jackson thread. How helpful. I'm sure these subjects will now be brought to light because of it..:smileroll

Nice attempt at smartassery. As I said, I have posted several topics he just listed, maybe you could take the time to look through the rest of the forum and find them.

[Lunar Raven]

Eh I meant no offense by it -- but you are critisizing people for posting on a subject that you say isn't very important..yet (at the same time) you're posting in the same thread that you say shouldn't have as much attention.

You're only feeding to the attention that you say the subject shouldn't have. That..doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me...

and of course dissenting opinions are allowed..and I' m sorry if my post seemed hostile. It wasn't really meant to be. Truthfully, I've never been a big fan of Michael Jackson anyway..but to say that posting about his death is some-how wrong..and that even though he died we should all stop posting about it because there's more important news going on..just doesn't make sense in my view.

Yes, there's more impactful things going on in the world..yes, others are dying..but that doesn't make an iconic musicians death any less (or more) meaningful than anything else. Let the people mourn if they want..there's nothing wrong with it..despite whatever else is going on in the world.

..and that's just my opinion, it isn't meant as an attack..and I'm sorry if it seemed that way. Sometimes my posts come out a bit snippy when I don't mean them to be :(

[memnoch]

Eh I meant no offense by it -- but you are critisizing people for posting on a subject that you say isn't very important..yet (at the same time) you're posting in the same thread that you say shouldn't have as much attention.

You're only feeding to the attention that you say the subject shouldn't have. That..doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me...

and of course dissenting opinions are allowed..and I' m sorry if my post seemed hostile. It wasn't really meant to be. Truthfully, I've never been a big fan of Michael Jackson anyway..but to say that posting about his death is some-how wrong..and that even though he died we should all stop posting about it because there's more important news going on..just doesn't make sense in my view.

Yes, there's more impactful things going on in the world..yes, others are dying..but that doesn't make an iconic musicians death any less (or more) meaningful than anything else. Let the people mourn if they want..there's nothing wrong with it..despite whatever else is going on in the world.

..and that's just my opinion, it isn't meant as an attack..and I'm sorry if it seemed that way. Sometimes my posts come out a bit snippy when I don't mean them to be :(

I don't speak for SS, but I don't think anyone is complaining about there being a thread on it, but the fact it has had so many posts in so little time, and is covering every news website, show, and paper in the country is disheartening.

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't speak for SS, but I don't think anyone is complaining about there being a thread on it, but the fact it has had so many posts in so little time, and is covering every news website, show, and paper in the country is disheartening.

Exactly right, Memnoch! :)

[memnoch]

back on to laughing about the whole situation...I love my friends, one just found this

http://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/3c6627fa549ee5e9eebe1bf25228e633

[Lunar Raven]

I don't speak for SS, but I don't think anyone is complaining about there being a thread on it, but the fact it has had so many posts in so little time, and is covering every news website, show, and paper in the country is disheartening.

The news thing I can agree with. Our local news has covered the story throughout their entire broadcasts..while as you say..more impactful things are going on in the world. I agree with that completely.

But.. a forum on current events DOES sound like a good place to mourn the death of someone who basically changed the face of pop music (while at the same time of course.., other "more important" threads are also being posted in).

I may have mis-interpeted a few posts as well. To me it seems like everyone is complaining about the fact that people are mourning his death -- as if we should all stop posting about it simply because it's just one person. Anyway..what I got out of a lot of the posts is that no one should post about this subject because there's more important things to post about. If that's the case I disagree completely, and I see nothing wrong with posting/talking about a person who has some sort of meaning to millions of people.

[AWash85]

I'm not preventing anyone from finding any news story important, including MJ's death, however I am griping that I wish the news would put some more important stories on. There are more important things than MJ's death. Additionally I have no way to prevent anyone from chattering to their hearts desire about this, though I am allowed to share my own opinion as well. :)

Yeah I know what you mean, but ah well. It's hard to balance it all and keep track of all the bases... especially since the customer interest base comes first. :toofless:

[Caitlin.ann]

The news thing I can agree with. Our local news has covered the story throughout their entire broadcasts..while as you say..more impactful things are going on in the world. I agree with that completely.

But.. a forum on current events DOES sound like a good place to mourn the death of someone who basically changed the face of pop music (while at the same time of course.., other "more important" threads are also being posted in).

I may have mis-interpeted a few posts as well. To me it seems like everyone is complaining about the fact that people are mourning his death -- as if we should all stop posting about it simply because it's just one person. Anyway..what I got out of a lot of the posts is that no one should post about this subject because there's more important things to post about. If that's the case I disagree completely, and I see nothing wrong with posting/talking about a person who has some sort of meaning to millions of people.

And you have two threads at least to mourn and I'm sure more to come as everything is uncovered.

[Nicholas]

back on to laughing about the whole situation...I love my friends, one just found this

http://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/3c6627fa549ee5e9eebe1bf25228e633

That was all Win! :)

I've given up on the news at this point, I won't be turning on the tv or going to any non-science related online news sources for a while. I can barely tolerate the sheep following here and other forums so I may duck out for a bit. Hell I tried to play a FPS today and a huge majority of players had "RIPmj" in their tag name -_-

[memnoch]

That was all Win! :)

I've given up on the news at this point, I won't be turning on the tv or going to any non-science related online news sources for a while. I can barely tolerate the sheep following here and other forums so I may duck out for a bit. Hell I tried to play a FPS today and a huge majority of players had "RIPmj" in their tag name -_-

is it a game like Left 4 Dead...maybe they were wanting to kill the MJ zombies

[Lunar Raven]

And you have two threads at least to mourn and I'm sure more to come as everything is uncovered.

I hear ya.

And I do post in other threads, by the way..and I browse usually..most of the forum. I just haven't been as active because of being way too busy. =\

[Laisrean]

Am I the only one freaked out about the possibility of Michael Jackson rising from the grave as a zombie or vampire that preys on young children? The dude was scary enough in life, so as an animated corpse he would probably make even Dracula run away in terror...

[David19]

I thought it was quite surprising when I first heard it last night, it is hard to believe, he was in the news quite a lot 'cause of his antics, and now he won't be. I can't say I was a big fan, some of his music was ok, but, I'm not going to say he was my favourite, but, I do feel for his family and friends, and hope they get through this tough and hard time, and I hope Michael Jackson wasn't in any, or too much, pain.

I have heard that his death may have been due to drugs, apparantly, it's rumoured he was taking something (not sure what, painkillers, heroin, coke?, anyone know?). Also, does anyone know what'll happen to his kids?, are their mum(s) still around (I'm also going to say it, but, are those kids even his, 'cause when you see them, their faces may be covered but, you can see their white, with blonde hair underneath, and, while Michael Jackson may have been right now, it doesn't change his DNA).

[Glowy]

I thought it was quite surprising when I first heard it last night, it is hard to believe, he was in the news quite a lot 'cause of his antics, and now he won't be. I can't say I was a big fan, some of his music was ok, but, I'm not going to say he was my favourite, but, I do feel for his family and friends, and hope they get through this tough and hard time, and I hope Michael Jackson wasn't in any, or too much, pain.

I have heard that his death may have been due to drugs, apparantly, it's rumoured he was taking something (not sure what, painkillers, heroin, coke?, anyone know?). Also, does anyone know what'll happen to his kids?, are their mum(s) still around (I'm also going to say it, but, are those kids even his, 'cause when you see them, their faces may be covered but, you can see their white, with blonde hair underneath, and, while Michael Jackson may have been right now, it doesn't change his DNA).


exactly! Born African American, and not all that light. Wow, I have been asking about all kids as well, MJ kept them away from the family. He did not speak to some members in years.
Debbie Rowe wife and mother of could be the best choice for hers, she could make a plea for Blanket ( PrinceMichael)
as to keep the kids all together. Blanket's mom was a surrogate and un named. I have read other sources that they are with a nanny and all have the same Godfather, he may look after them or, a brother may step in. It seems so up in the air as the will has not been mentioned.. but, they are still with a nanny... odd... I have read other articles saying he was 400 mil in debt!!

[lightdragon]

Am I the only one freaked out about the possibility of Michael Jackson rising from the grave as a zombie or vampire that preys on young children? The dude was scary enough in life, so as an animated corpse he would probably make even Dracula run away in terror...

I was thinking more on the line as a ghost or poltergeist. Especially where places he visited that had lots of children. don't be surprised if you start to hear stories in a few months about that.