What do you think of the radionic box and subconscius mind programming?

[trueseeker]

Hello,I found this very interesting piece of information and I want to share it with you.Let's discuss it.Have you ever done something like this?Did it work positive results in your life?The info is here:
http://xtrememind.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3969&highlight=radionic+box

Later edit:I have been reading a lot on Chaos magic of the left hand path,and I found similarities with this,I mean the self sabotage thing.Acording to Chaos Magic theory there is a dark desire to every positive desire you have,and that humans are masochistic beings,and they enjoy failure as much as success.

[brymble]

Um, I use hypnosis and auto-suggestion in ritual, and in my professional practice as a consultant, but I've never heard of a "radionic box", and don't see what it has to do with advanced paganism.

[trueseeker]

It's a device,a machine to help in energy work,and brain practices.It's an advanced concept.I want to know more about it,and about mind programming.Can you program yourself before you do a spell,to be successful in that working?That would be a great help for me.

[brymble]

You mean like a brain machine? One of those things that you wear with the flashy lights to sync up brain waves or whatever the hell it does?

My NLP trainer used brain machines, and produced a video with Robert Anton Wilson oh, about 20 years ago, (http://www.hawkridgeproductions.com/goods/raw1.html) involving them, but I've never seen any use for them, personally. I think its a matter of personal preference. I've never been drawn to them at all, and personally think they're rather stupid toys. But to each their own.

Regarding "programming" yourself before doing a spell, a spell is a means of "programming" yourself. If you chose, I suppose you could incorporate the use of a brain machine or other tool to assist in attaining a desired state of consciousness, but it's not necessary or "better" in anyway. Just another tool, and a matter or preference. However, when creating a spell, some people do believe that the more techniques you combine to get the job done, the more oomph you've got. Autosuggestion, combined with say rhythmic chanting and drumming, consciousness altering substances from acid to flying ointments to wine, trance-supporting fragrances in the form of incense or oils, and "anchors" like colors or symbols has been practiced in magick for a long time. There is, however, also such a thing as overkill. I think one of the marks of a good magician is finding that point that's just enough.

A lot of the "techno" shamans or magickians might be more drawn to tools like brain machines. I've never been much into the "techy" stuff. Hell, I can't even figure out Matt's electric can opener. (I practice the "just bash it with a rock" school of magick.) "Higher tech" doesn't necessarily mean "better" or "more advanced". It may provide tools that appeal more strongly to different individuals, but it's not more "advanced". If you feel drawn to the use of technology as a shamanic tool, then by all means please explore that. But don't assume that it makes you "more advanced". Practice, learning, and growth is what makes you more advanced, not your choice of tools

I still don't see the connection to advanced Paganism. The way you're describing its use has more to do with magick or hypnosis than Paganism. Maybe if you tried posting on the magick and ritual boards, you might find more helpful responses. I think we might even have a board for techno-shamans?

[trueseeker]

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/tmahaney.htm -Terri interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHzsrE2vuGA
I thought Advanced Paganism thread,would hold the most advanced pagan minds.If it's not really,feel free to move it.
I have a concern here:I just watched Terri interview,and it seems dangerous to me that someone might try and succeed to reprogramme the collective conscientiousness ,that might enslave humanity to the belief system of a group of people or one single person.That would be completely wrong.What are your thoughts?

[sleepycat]

It's a device,a machine to help in energy work,and brain practices.It's an advanced concept.I want to know more about it,and about mind programming.Can you program yourself before you do a spell,to be successful in that working?That would be a great help for me.

Trueseeker, I looked at the thread you linked. This appears to be a "tech" way to achieve what traditional practitioners achieve through meditation ( i.e. communication with a different state of consciousness) If you have difficulty meditating, this could be a worthwhile avenue for you to explore.

[*oonagh*]

from what i know of it, which is very little, it is not something that actually works.

[Terra Mater]

Um, I use hypnosis and auto-suggestion in ritual, and in my professional practice as a consultant, but I've never heard of a "radionic box", and don't see what it has to do with advanced paganism.
Maybe that's why its advanced. If everyone knew about them, it would be a basic. Duh! :toofless:

Seriously, though, radionics is a highly controversial field that claims to detect and modulate life force using electronic devices. In theory, patients can be diagnosed and treated without even meeting the practitioner, who uses a radionic "black box" to tune into "vibrational frequencies" from a sample of hair or blood. The device is then used to "broadcast" healing frequencies back to the patient, who may be hundreds of miles away.

While I have never had good results from the box in healing applications, I have had successes with the box in teaching applications and unblocking students' abilities, but the students had to be in the room at the time.

Trueseeker, the amount of power that is needed for changing the collective consciousness is greater than user and box can create. Several hundred thousand would have to be working for the identical goal at the identical time. Not likely when a group cannot agree on what to have for lunch let alone goals involving group consciousness.

In addition, it only works with a mind cooperating. Most minds trained by meditation would detect it and resist, fractured minds are not affected at all, and a person of strong will is almost impossible to change without their cooperation.

Mostly it is a tool, like any other, that is less effective in the hands of a less effective worker and is limited by its own design to specific applications though it is usable for more, just as a screwdriver is best on screws and less effective when used to hammer a nail.

Mostly I use it for focus exercises for my Neuro challenged kids. My NT kid gets the same effects from lifting weights and showing off for his girl.:thumbsup:

[trueseeker]

Maybe that's why its advanced. If everyone knew about them, it would be a basic. Duh! :toofless:

Seriously, though, radionics is a highly controversial field that claims to detect and modulate life force using electronic devices. In theory, patients can be diagnosed and treated without even meeting the practitioner, who uses a radionic "black box" to tune into "vibrational frequencies" from a sample of hair or blood. The device is then used to "broadcast" healing frequencies back to the patient, who may be hundreds of miles away.

While I have never had good results from the box in healing applications, I have had successes with the box in teaching applications and unblocking students' abilities, but the students had to be in the room at the time.

Trueseeker, the amount of power that is needed for changing the collective consciousness is greater than user and box can create. Several hundred thousand would have to be working for the identical goal at the identical time. Not likely when a group cannot agree on what to have for lunch let alone goals involving group consciousness.

In addition, it only works with a mind cooperating. Most minds trained by meditation would detect it and resist, fractured minds are not affected at all, and a person of strong will is almost impossible to change without their cooperation.

Mostly it is a tool, like any other, that is less effective in the hands of a less effective worker and is limited by its own design to specific applications though it is usable for more, just as a screwdriver is best on screws and less effective when used to hammer a nail.

Mostly I use it for focus exercises for my Neuro challenged kids. My NT kid gets the same effects from lifting weights and showing off for his girl.:thumbsup:

So this radionic box can be purchased from somewhere?And you say you had success with it unblocking your students abilities?I am in need of unblocking some natural gifts,that I know little or nothing of their control.I can heal foe example,pains in the body and make the person relax,and get the stress away by channeling my energy through massage,all people say that I transmit them some kind of shivering,warm and pleasant energy ,and that they relax and then feel so much more alive and motivated after my session of energy healing.But I would like to heal without touch,sometimes I do not touch the skin or forehead of the person and I get good results,especially for headache and back pain.I know there are others,but with me everybody said it's better,like children playing.I want to unblock this ability I practice sine I was 7,and to be able to radiate my healing energy,as I can do only if in a state of mind and soul similar to enthusiasm or passion.I would also like to unblock my prophetic dreaming,as i have been experienced dreams that come true or happen with the same exactitude in reality as I dream them.Mostly about people dying,people close,that I got to know.I had my first clear one in 7th grade,about a classmate ,Violeta was her name,she died in a car accident,but i had a dream about her like 1 or 2 weeks before,I dreamed of her being dressed as a bride in a long white dress,and then I dreamed a white coffin,being taken out of the red cross ambulance and she was in it.At the funeral,in reality she wore a brides dress,same style as in my dream,and the coffin was white,which is unusual for Romania,rarely they make those,and she was brought home with the ambulance.I had a shock of deja vue.

[Bugscuttle]

is this something like an Orgone Accumulator? i'd be interested in learning more.
J

[Rowan Darkmoon]

I think that's an interesting concept, but I agree that its what other people have been trying to do through meditation. Reprogramming the subconcious to work more efficiently with your other goals.