PaganSpirit
February 14th, 2010, 01:10 AM
Are there any Hermetic/Ceremonial organizations that don't require membership fees?
It seems like every promising one I've come across has some kind of fee to join. Though for some reasons I understand it, but for the most part I don't think that any sincere path to spiritual enlightenment should require any kind of monetary payment. Plus, I just can't afford it.
Terra Mater
February 14th, 2010, 07:16 AM
Are there any Hermetic/Ceremonial organizations that don't require membership fees?
It seems like every promising one I've come across has some kind of fee to join. Though for some reasons I understand it, but for the most part I don't think that any sincere path to spiritual enlightenment should require any kind of monetary payment. Plus, I just can't afford it.
They don't require you to pay for following the path. You can find the texts for free at many of the sites. Nothing to stop you from downloading them and studying on your own. http://www.golden-dawn.com/tr/displaycontent.aspx?pageid=238 is but one such example.
Candles, incense, cakes, ale, and a place to go all cost money. Our local group charges nominal fees to cover the cost of cleaning up afterwards since so few people were remaining to clean up. They have a nice facility which allows their members freedom to practice without having to worry about the headaches of hosting rituals in public parks and coffee houses. They also have a library, indoor/outdoor facilities and other amenities.
Many of the groups do offer free or low cost intro events for newbies and the curious and more than a few of the list them in the events section of Witchvox.
Charging nominals fees does not make a group less sincere. Charging exorbitant fees does not always mean a scam. Sometimes charging fees is a way for them to save their time for those that are serious about being a contributing part of a group and scaring off those that are just looking for a free party to crash.
sidhe
February 15th, 2010, 06:49 AM
Are there any Hermetic/Ceremonial organizations that don't require membership fees?
It seems like every promising one I've come across has some kind of fee to join. Though for some reasons I understand it, but for the most part I don't think that any sincere path to spiritual enlightenment should require any kind of monetary payment. Plus, I just can't afford it.
Fees are required for two reasons:
1) Unlike most other occult organizations, ceremonial groups tend to own/rent property for use as a Temple or Lodge. This costs money.
2) Unlike most Christian organizations, they aren't big enough to cover these fees via donations from the membership. Unless the group is larger still, the chances of being a 501(c) registered religious organizations (with all the benefits entailed therein) is minimal.
That said, there are groups that don't charge fees (like mine, because we hold no property and we're all too dirt poor to do so anyway), and there's nothing that says you can't study the materials on your own free of charge, and there's a nice selection of folks here in the CM Subforum who'll gladly give an assist on explanations of material.
It's not a matter of spiritual sincerity, but of material reality - material things cost money, CM groups require a lot of material things, money will have to come from somewhere. Or, to put it another way, if you're in any pagan group someone is picking up the tab for the incense, etc., or they ask someone to bring it each time. With the specificity CM requires, its far more reasonable to have fees to maintain a stock of essentials.
And essentials can get expensive!! The basic Oil of Abramelin...yeah, you can get the Anna Riva version for $7, but if you want the good stuff you'll be paying $25+ for a teeny bottle which you will find a thousand ways to stretch and dilute and make last longer.
Speaking of which, I need to order some of the good stuff. :D
Also, robes, embroidery, sigils, candles, incense, chalices, wine, patens, banners, pillars, altars, floor tiles (I'm not kidding...paying to have a floor tiled in the proper pattern), ciboriums, lamens, rings...CM is a little pricey.
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