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Psyche Ague
May 10th, 2004, 09:04 AM
I recently discovered that my true path is not necessarily Paganism, but Animism. To answer some questions I've received on what Animism really is. I found a few decent sites that I want to quote, as they seem to be more eloquent than I am.

Here's one :

"The term animism is derived from the Latin word anima meaning breath or soul. The belief of animism is probably one of man's oldest beliefs, with its origin most likely dating to the Paleolithic age. From its earliest beginnings it was a belief that a soul or spirit existed in every object, even if it was inanimate. In a future state this soul or spirit would exist as part of an immaterial soul. The spirit, therefore, was thought to be universal.

There has been sharp divisions of thought as to the original concept of animism held by primitive peoples. An British anthropologist Sir Edward Burnett Tylor in his "Primitive Culture" (1871) defined animism "as a general belief in spiritual beings and considered it 'a minimum definition of religion.'" He stated all religions from the simplest to the most complexed shared some sort of animistic belief. According to him primitive peoples, defined as those without a written tradition, believed the spirits or souls caused life in human beings. They pictured these souls as vapors or shadows going from one body to another. The souls not only passed between human beings but into, plants, animals and inanimate objects as well.

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It is insignificant how men and women gained the belief that a spirit or soul resides in all objects it is historically evident that they did. Trees and plants were worshiped as totems or because of their usefulness and beauty. In many cultures certain trees and plants have been feared. In some ancient cultures "trees were generally regarded as maternal deities or forest spirits, to be respected even when their lives were sacrificed for human use (pagan woodcutters never felled a tree without first begging its forgiveness). Female tree spirits live on in myth and folklore as dryads, the Greek version of the tree-worshiping druid priestesses."

Plants and trees have been considered sacred by themselves because, as some have thought, they are home to certain spirits. Both the soma plant of India and the coca shrub of Peru are worshiped for the intoxicating properties of the products made from them. Field crops, thought to harbor spirits of infertility, has been honored by ancient tribesmen and peasants throughout Europe. Traces of these cults can still be found.

The above describes nature worshipers among which many occultists are numbered. They view life as being in everything, and everything, even man, supporting life. Life is sacred -- all life. "One of the foremost characteristics of Neo-Paganism (or occultism) is the return to the ancient idea that there is no distinction between the spiritual and material, sacred and secular." Everything is still one as it was to primitive man.

Animism may also be the unconscious fabrication of a spirit manifestation by the medium. It is not a fraud as the medium actually believes that he is channeling a spirit. It usually happens when the medium is put under pressure to attend a request or works in a spiritualistic circle where spirit phenomena are expected to occur. The spirit of the medium then fabricates a manifestation and it is interesting to notice that the medium´s body undergoes all the usual changes that happen in an actual spirit communication, such as altered breathing, contortions, and such procedures."

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/animism.htm

Not the best site, but it described a lot.

Shanti
May 10th, 2004, 11:27 AM
We, my family are Animist.

We believe in it, we practise it and it is a life style.
For us, everything has spirit. Everything.

nighstar
May 13th, 2004, 04:11 PM
*nods* i'm eclectic, but animism plays a very strong part in all that i believe. :]

Hamelyn
May 15th, 2004, 02:27 AM
It's hard for me to find a word for what I am/do, so I don't usually do it. Thanks for reminding me of the word animism, though, because that's pretty close to it, and it isn't culture-specific... thankfully. (Words like shaman or medicine man bother me because them is so culture-specific, and I'm not those.)

Thanks. 'Tis nifty of you to share.

I combine some huna with my animism, plus some other stuff. I do believe that everything has a spirit, and because of that they are alive, aware, and responsive... in their own fashions. It's kinda interesting to try and balance living your daily life and honoring spirits though. I try to just remind myself that as long as I keep a respectful attitude towards the universe, walking along the sidewalk isn't bad. *grin*

Fianna
May 15th, 2004, 05:45 PM
Hi

Sorry for barging in on your confab but I just found out that while practicing druidry - animism is really my thing - or can I have both - I don't know - I am confused.

Anyway - I asked if it was ok to honour the holly tree in my garden and the birds who sit in it for helping me out recently - rather than some deity who I can't remember their name or what they represent or if they are Irish or Welsh. I was told that animism is what I should look into - so I did and it seems closer to my heart than anything else.

But I can't find much info on it. Just some encyclopaedia references and a guy wanting 500$ for some information or something.

Can I be druid and animist? Is there a specific set of teachings?

Please help me out - I really feel this is where my path leads.

Druchii
May 15th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Hi

Sorry for barging in on your confab but I just found out that while practicing druidry - animism is really my thing - or can I have both - I don't know - I am confused.

Anyway - I asked if it was ok to honour the holly tree in my garden and the birds who sit in it for helping me out recently - rather than some deity who I can't remember their name or what they represent or if they are Irish or Welsh. I was told that animism is what I should look into - so I did and it seems closer to my heart than anything else.

But I can't find much info on it. Just some encyclopaedia references and a guy wanting 500$ for some information or something.

Can I be druid and animist? Is there a specific set of teachings?

Please help me out - I really feel this is where my path leads.

You are what you make yourself out to be...

Fianna
May 15th, 2004, 06:30 PM
Hi

Yes I understand that - but if it is as simple as that why are there so many people here asking questions and wanting to know more - if you can just be what you want because you think that is what you should be - why do we all need more information.

I could have 10 years ago just said - ok I feel like I druid so I am one - and not bothered reading anything or asking anything.

All I want is a bit of information regarding the history and teachings and background of animism - it's roots and stuff so I can lok into it a bit more.

nighstar
May 15th, 2004, 07:42 PM
Can I be druid and animist? Is there a specific set of teachings?

Please help me out - I really feel this is where my path leads.

well... i can't directly approach that question because i dont know enough about druidism and making a call on what is and what isn't a part of that would be out of bounds & rude.....

but i can say what animism is [to me]. 8O

i dont view animism as a path... it's a name for beliefs fitting certain characteristics.....

just like atheism, pantheism, polytheism AND animism-- all of these are names for beliefs related to the "divine", but the noticable difference is that all of these examples have -the- before -ism EXCEPT animism because all of those beliefs are in relation to the "divine" as God/Goddess, but animism doesn't have the -the- and has nothing to do with the divine as a GodGoddess, but as nature.

none of those other -theisms are paths unto themselves but are [i]characteristics which make up the divine beliefs of paths, and this is how i see animism as well.

so, rather than the question of "can you be a druid and an animist?", i would ask "is animism a characteristic of druidry?" or "can it be...?"..... which is a sticky question because the answer depends on how much a core part of druidry is it's beliefs toward the divine as diety.

do dieties play a really heavy part in druidry...? ^^; if they do, then.... i'm not sure.... if dieties are such a large part of druidry that taking them out and replacing them with animism would be a large change, than that change might be so significant that somepeople might say that it isn't druidry anymore... :\ this is why it's sticky. ^^;

i'd i say "follow your heart"...... which is what everyone says, soo..... :idea: i'll just shut my mouth instead because i've babbled too much already 8O

Mòrag Elasaid Ní Dhòmhnaill
May 15th, 2004, 10:47 PM
Fianna, I might not have been clear in the Druid thread. It is believed that the Druids and other people with similar spiritual outlooks such as Shamans (actual Shamans from Siberia), American Indians, the Aboriginal folk of Australlia, etc. were most likely animists. It was a part of their path, though not the whole of it. Does that make any sense?

Fianna
May 16th, 2004, 05:00 AM
well... i can't directly approach that question because i dont know enough about druidism and making a call on what is and what isn't a part of that would be out of bounds & rude.....

but i can say what animism is [to me]. 8O

i dont view animism as a path... it's a name for beliefs fitting certain characteristics.....

just like atheism, pantheism, polytheism AND animism-- all of these are names for beliefs related to the "divine", but the noticable difference is that all of these examples have -the- before -ism EXCEPT animism because all of those beliefs are in relation to the "divine" as God/Goddess, but animism doesn't have the -the- and has nothing to do with the divine as a GodGoddess, but as nature.

none of those other -theisms are paths unto themselves but are [i]characteristics which make up the divine beliefs of paths, and this is how i see animism as well.

so, rather than the question of "can you be a druid and an animist?", i would ask "is animism a characteristic of druidry?" or "can it be...?"..... which is a sticky question because the answer depends on how much a core part of druidry is it's beliefs toward the divine as diety.

do dieties play a really heavy part in druidry...? ^^; if they do, then.... i'm not sure.... if dieties are such a large part of druidry that taking them out and replacing them with animism would be a large change, than that change might be so significant that somepeople might say that it isn't druidry anymore... :\ this is why it's sticky. ^^;

i'd i say "follow your heart"...... which is what everyone says, soo..... :idea: i'll just shut my mouth instead because i've babbled too much already 8O

Well thanks for babbling - it certainly helped. As for intruding in my Druid path - I can't see how it would although I will have to research a bit more. I believe there are those who believe in one and those who believe in more than one deity and others who have no specific deity - so I guess it wouldn't.

You have helped me to sort it out in my mind a bit better. And along with others I am sure I have plenty to do for the next few years to keep me out of mischief.

Thanks again.

Fianna
May 16th, 2004, 05:06 AM
Fianna, I might not have been clear in the Druid thread. It is believed that the Druids and other people with similar spiritual outlooks such as Shamans (actual Shamans from Siberia), American Indians, the Aboriginal folk of Australlia, etc. were most likely animists. It was a part of their path, though not the whole of it. Does that make any sense?

Hi thanks for the reply - here too :-)

IT is not that you didn't make yourself clear - it was just that when I came here and found the subject under "paths" I just wanted to make sure it was not going to cross swords anywhere with my Druid beliefs or teachings.

However - thanks to you and Nighstar I now have a much clearer picture of how it goes. I guess it is kinda like a weave. The main pattern I have to follow is that of the druid but animism is a major set of threads which have to woven into it.

Er - now I am probably confusing you.

Anyway - thanks again - I will leave you all alone now for a while and go read.

CloakofStars9
May 19th, 2004, 06:59 PM
wow thanx for posting this sweets, i have always felt that way, just never new what exactly it was :hugz: your the best :D

Psyche Ague
May 19th, 2004, 07:20 PM
wow thanx for posting this sweets, i have always felt that way, just never new what exactly it was :hugz: your the best :D
Glad I could be of assistance. :)

moonmorgan
May 19th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Thanks for the reminder of what Animism is. I do believe that all LIVING things have souls and spirits but that things that aren't living, like rocks, do not.

Yes I know this is NOT animism.

CleftOfLight
May 25th, 2004, 05:07 AM
i never thought of rocks having souls but I guess they would,it sounds like every religion has some sort of tie with animism.

Mòrag Elasaid Ní Dhòmhnaill
May 25th, 2004, 07:07 AM
Not every religion, CleftOfLight, but anthropologists believe that animism was the earliest form of spirituality, and that out of it the beliefs of primative people grew and developed.