Heathens Against Hate

[moonmorgan]

http://www.angelfire.com/on/Wodensharrow/hah.html

A warning for anyone studying Asatru and other forms of Heathenism.

[Gala]

I appreciate your bringing this up.
As I was doing some research the other day for the heathenry class, I found a white supremist web site talking about Yggdrasil and so forth.. also bringing up Tolkein. Talking about his essays and using them in their propaganda...

It saddend me.

[mothwench]

aw, ignore that, gala. yes, that is one of the drawbacks of norse heathenry but in fact, i've seen celtic-themed sites that were like that. the other day when i was doing research i found a forum called skadi.net. http://www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10780&page=1&pp=20 :sick:
:twitch: i'm actually thinking about signing up and starting a debate with them. :lol: i'll probably be banned straight away, but it might be an interesting experience. ;)

[Gala]

I went there but it is closed... their server was overloaded.

I'll try but I'm a worrier.. can't help it.. :geez:

[banondraig]

aw, ignore that, gala. yes, that is one of the drawbacks of norse heathenry but in fact, i've seen celtic-themed sites that were like that. the other day when i was doing research i found a forum called skadi.net. http://www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10780&page=1&pp=20 :sick:
:twitch: i'm actually thinking about signing up and starting a debate with them. :lol: i'll probably be banned straight away, but it might be an interesting experience. ;)

i looked at that site. quite a bit of incoherent nonsense.of course, there were the oocasional voices of semi-reason.

being interested as i am in genealogy/genetics, i wonder if any of those little races/ethnicities they have posted under their names have anything to do with reputable science?

i compare these people to the kind of folks who think the atlanteans are going to come back and save us from the evils of the world. not in touch with reality, perhaps even dangerously so. it just means that those of us who have common sense should steer clear of them.

[frigga]

Yes, thanks for posting this! It seems that perversion of any sorts runs ramped wherever you turn. :awwman: Fortunatly I haven't had to deal with any one who is ignorant to Heathenry...yet. I just try and make a quck U turn when I come accross those nasty places!
* Turns on my heals and slams out the door!*

[Æon Flux]

aw, ignore that, gala. yes, that is one of the drawbacks of norse heathenry but in fact, i've seen celtic-themed sites that were like that. the other day when i was doing research i found a forum called skadi.net. http://www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10780&page=1&pp=20 :sick:
:twitch: i'm actually thinking about signing up and starting a debate with them. :lol: i'll probably be banned straight away, but it might be an interesting experience. ;)

*makes big eyes* that was the most... crazy thing I've ever seen.
My family line has ben steadily rooted for as long as there are any records of anything, both on my mother and fathers side, in Sweden and at two brief moments in Finland.
And that forum is the silliest thing I have ever seen.

*thinks about joining and stirring up some trouble as well*

[Muireannach]

I can see both sides of the issue here.

They are justified in having pride of their race, everyone has a right to be proud of their history and people. Including whites. "White pride" does NOT mean racism. However, reading over this site it seems white "supremacist" which is a different animal all together. Their pride in their own race has led them to hate "outsiders" which is not justified.

I am proud of being caucasian and like to research my ancestors, and I am not a racist. I believe everyone should be proud of their ancestors, but when you believe yourself better becasue of your race that is not justified.

[Narkath]

I don't mean to stir up trouble here--I didn't go to the website (yet) since bad places give me creeps--but any sort of pride for things that just are is IMHO just silly. I am not proud to be white; I just am. The color of my skin and the shape of my face are the way they are because I happened to be born at a certain time, on a certain continent, in a certain country, in a certain city. Any--and I do mean any--sort of pride day I consider idiotic...unless the purpose of the march/whatever is to increase awareness/ win campaigns or something totally unrelated to actual pride.
I consider patriotism to be this type of pride, as well. My father, for instance, is a patriot of South Africa. I hate the damn country. Then he says it’s not the country; it’s the people. I argue that it’s the people who make a country; the land is just that—land. I do not recognize borders drawn by man or ocean.
However, I am still very interested in my ancestry. Unfortunately, I, like most people in my country, am basically a mix of this and that--Dutch, German, Jewish, Portuguese, English--so it will be very difficult to pin everything down. Not to mention there are no real records available before a certain time.
Excuse the off-topic feel of the rant.
*goes of to check the site*

[mothwench]

hey, narkath, you won't get any trouble from me, i very much agree about the pride thing. but in fairness i think the word is just being misused unintentionally. when most people say they're proud to be american or british or south african or whatnot, they do (at least i assume they do) mean maybe grateful, pleased, rather than think they themselves contributed something to the fact that they are what they are. maybe they mean they are proud of their ancestors and founders of their cultures and coutries. i'm not sure, it's not something you'd catch me saying anyway. i do know though, that i'm happy being light-skinned, freckled and red-haired, and that there is no particular trait of another race that i would rather have. is that wrong? to me it just means i'm happy with who i am.
and regarding your mixed ancestry, one of these days when i have a bit more time on my hands i'll start a thread in paths called "eclectic reconstructionalism". it might be of interest to you, on the other hand, it might not. :)

banondraig: :lol: i was wondering about those descriptions, too. and did you see, there's actually a guy there with a hitler avatar. :rollingla

[Æon Flux]

I can understand pride in your familys history and where you are from.
I am proud of my nordic heratige and the fact that I do come from a family which have been smart enough to live here for so many generations we cannot find WHEN they moved here. (too long ago)

I love this country with it's enchanting nature and it's expressive seasons.
I love the clean air and the way you can live in the middle of a city and still have a wonderful garden in your back yard.

I can understand feelings like that.
But I want to share this with others.
I wellcome you with open arms as long as you follow the rules in my country which gives us the relatively clean air and lakes.

When pride turns to idiocy and hatred for other ethnicities, it's gone way too far.

[mucgwyrt]

I am "proud" of who I am. I am "proud" of my family and of my ancestors. But I am also "proud" of the Vietnamese and how they have stood up to hundreds of years of opression. I am "proud" that Germany has not let one man's 'mistakes' squash their culture. I am "proud" of the native americans and the respect they hold for the earth. I am "proud" to be human and I am proud to be alive, in the greatest sense of the word. We are all the same, when it comes down to it.

[Narkath]

Skimmed through the skadi (ethnic preserving paranoid's) thread and the first site link and I can honestly say that agreeing with him, even a percentage (0.1%), and trouble is not far behind; but I do agree a *little* in this way:
Culture is being lost by immigration and physical differences by intermarriage. Care must be taken to preserve those traditions/religions/races by documenting them extensively, so that future searching youths may find there spiritual and life paths more easily. Most of those differences are, though, seen through paranoid race-preserver eyes as taints that should be kept away from "their" culture/race, keeping "theirs" as pure as possible. If anyone wishes to preserve their heritage, I think maybe a good idea would be to join some sort of archiving organization that, well, archives text and images of that specific culture. It is extreme, to say the least, to move want to move millions of people from one side of the earth to the other, just for the sake of racial purity.
There are other ways for us to differentiate ourselves from one group and be accepted in another--it's called going with what we like; freedom; not to be bound by, again, our color or geographical location, but by the choices we make. It's one of the reasons I like the internet so much; it is, for the most part, phr33.
Illogical pride is the cause of war. If I were a proud South African, and pride was just a part of my soul and I went and reincarnated myself in Japan, I’d still be proud, but proudly Japanese. No? Even proud to be human makes no sense. Point being, have you ever been an alien?
Oh and thanks, mothwench, for not giving me trouble ^_~. Oh, yeah, I’m happy about the way I look (coz I’m so vain lol) and all, but I’d probably be just as happy looking idian. And…wait you’ve got red hair? Rawr! Hehe.

and regarding your mixed ancestry, one of these days when i have a bit more time on my hands i'll start a thread in paths called "eclectic reconstructionalism". it might be of interest to you, on the other hand, it might not.
Cool. Interested.
Rambling some more: I view the Pride in decisions of family that is close to you...or friends perhaps, as OK, but pride of a family member who is hundreds/thousands of years long gone is a little confusing to me.
Again, no insults intended.

We are a global village. There are no boundaries. Expand!

[banondraig]

i do know though, that i'm happy being light-skinned, freckled and red-haired, and that there is no particular trait of another race that i would rather have. is that wrong? to me it just means i'm happy with who i am.
and regarding your mixed ancestry, one of these days when i have a bit more time on my hands i'll start a thread in paths called "eclectic reconstructionalism". it might be of interest to you, on the other hand, it might not. :)

banondraig: :lol: i was wondering about those descriptions, too. and did you see, there's actually a guy there with a hitler avatar. :rollingla

i got teased about my (pale!) skin tone a lot when i was in school. i decided to like it. i might as well, it's not going to change.

i'd be interested in the "eclectic reconstructionalism" thread!

i'm glad someone else noticed those descriptions . . . i was beginning to feel weird.

i didn't see that avatar! it's one of those things that is awful for a few seconds, and then you just have to burst out! luckily i did that quietly as i think it would have scared my fellow internet cafe patrons. :hehehehe:

[mothwench]

:lol: i spent HOURS lurking on that site last night. i'm going back there now (got a bad case of insomnia) it's like a train wreck... can't... look... away... :ahhhh:

[banondraig]

:lol: i spent HOURS lurking on that site last night. i'm going back there now (got a bad case of insomnia) it's like a train wreck... can't... look... away... :ahhhh:

:hehehehe:

i know the feeling.

[frigga]

I think I lost brain cells visiting that site! Who are they kidding?! Where did they come from! Are they totally isolated? On and on I could go, but OMG! Gotta go smudge my aura now.........

[mothwench]

i actually signed up so i can view the images and stuff. the thing that astounds me is the vast number of members. more than mysticwicks. :eek:

[banondraig]

of course. there's a lot more stupid people in the world than anything else.

[Muireannach]

Question: What are they doing that's so wrong? I visited that site and it just talks about ancestry, genetics and so forth. Sure there are a few skinheads on there but really the overall site concept isn't so evil.

They also have rules against racial slandering as well.

[mothwench]

well, it's funny. i actually did start a thread last night. and the first two responses were... pretty much what i expected. :rolleyes: so, no... i guess there are rules, but they are there for legal reasons only, that's what it seems like.

but then things started picking up and there's actually some decent members there, as far as i can tell. quite alot of people that aren't racist and who, like me, have just signed up because they're interested in anthropology and genealogy and stuff.

but anyway. no matter how nice or decent these people may be, the hitler, mussolini and goebbels avatars are a bit much, don't you think?

edited to add: my thread is in the help and suggestions forum. i'm berchta. i'm not going to link to it, if your interested, you'll have to go look for it.

[Muireannach]

You got two ignorant responses than a bunch of warm welcomes and chat. So really the site can't be as bad as people were painting it before. ;)

[frigga]

guess I didn't read enough. I just say the first thread on the screen and it was about how everyone needs to go back from where they came from and keep the gene pools "clean". That was enough for me!

[mothwench]

well... it seems i've been banned, or something. i can't access the site anymore. can any of you guys? i just get the page not found page. :sadeyes:

[mucgwyrt]

Haha moth got banned :razz: :T

[frigga]

Checked for ya and I couldn't get in either.

[mothwench]

Haha moth got banned :razz: :T


:fishsmack: hah! you wouldn't have lasted two minutes in there! :razz:

thanks for checking, frigga. :steppy: guess they're just having trouble with their server. :spinnysmi

[mucgwyrt]

no, you're right, I'm just too nice :D

[mothwench]

yah right. you would have mooned them all with obsene smilies, knowing you. :hehehehe:

[mucgwyrt]

You know me too well :spinner:

[Muireannach]

well... it seems i've been banned, or something. i can't access the site anymore. can any of you guys? i just get the page not found page. :sadeyes:

I can't get on to it either.

[mothwench]

hmmm. shame really. it was fun sparring with adolf hitler. :T

[Nantonos]

You got two ignorant responses than a bunch of warm welcomes and chat. So really the site can't be as bad as people were painting it before. ;)

It is, I have come across the site a few times before (googling on celtic and germanic history) and it flies very close to the wind on neo-Nazi race hate.

The irony of the registrar they chose for the domain name gave me a chuckle, though. Njörd Eriksson (from San Diego, CA) chose Gandi.net as registrar :)

[frigga]

The irony of the registrar they chose for the domain name gave me a chuckle, though. Njörd Eriksson (from San Diego, CA) chose Gandi.net as registrar :)
What, Gandi??? :foh:

[Sekhmet Soul30]

It had everything to do with Hitler. He took symbols and meanings and twisted them around. Even today their still being used and a symbol like the swastika that's suppose to bring good fortune is now connected to fear, hate, and bigotry.

Sorry that some of you are having this problem. I think that we need to find some good books that don't have this stuff in it and only focuses on the ancient religion.

[wyrd_dottir]

It had everything to do with Hitler. He took symbols and meanings and twisted them around. Even today their still being used and a symbol like the swastika that's suppose to bring good fortune is now connected to fear, hate, and bigotry.

Sorry that some of you are having this problem. I think that we need to find some good books that don't have this stuff in it and only focuses on the ancient religion.


The previous replies in the thread were from over 5 years ago. :)

[C. Iulia Regilia]

Skimmed through the skadi (ethnic preserving paranoid's) thread and the first site link and I can honestly say that agreeing with him, even a percentage (0.1%), and trouble is not far behind; but I do agree a *little* in this way:
Culture is being lost by immigration and physical differences by intermarriage. Care must be taken to preserve those traditions/religions/races by documenting them extensively, so that future searching youths may find there spiritual and life paths more easily. Most of those differences are, though, seen through paranoid race-preserver eyes as taints that should be kept away from "their" culture/race, keeping "theirs" as pure as possible. If anyone wishes to preserve their heritage, I think maybe a good idea would be to join some sort of archiving organization that, well, archives text and images of that specific culture. It is extreme, to say the least, to move want to move millions of people from one side of the earth to the other, just for the sake of racial purity.
There are other ways for us to differentiate ourselves from one group and be accepted in another--it's called going with what we like; freedom; not to be bound by, again, our color or geographical location, but by the choices we make. It's one of the reasons I like the internet so much; it is, for the most part, phr33.
Illogical pride is the cause of war. If I were a proud South African, and pride was just a part of my soul and I went and reincarnated myself in Japan, I’d still be proud, but proudly Japanese. No? Even proud to be human makes no sense. Point being, have you ever been an alien?
Oh and thanks, mothwench, for not giving me trouble ^_~. Oh, yeah, I’m happy about the way I look (coz I’m so vain lol) and all, but I’d probably be just as happy looking idian. And…wait you’ve got red hair? Rawr! Hehe.

Cool. Interested.
Rambling some more: I view the Pride in decisions of family that is close to you...or friends perhaps, as OK, but pride of a family member who is hundreds/thousands of years long gone is a little confusing to me.
Again, no insults intended.

We are a global village. There are no boundaries. Expand!

Well, I think there is value in some types of preservation. TBH a lot of the crap in the world comes about because one group dominates another. It still happens in the third world, and has for thousands of years. And one of the reasons is exactly what happened with the First Nations in America and the Gypsies in Europe and Jews ... well the Jews pretty much everywhere. If you don't have a land somewhere and an Army, you're at other tribe's mercy. It sucks but that's how things work in the present, since that's the case, I'd hate go back to the colonialism and exploitation of the 20th century whilst pretending that it's somehow good for everybody.

They aren't really anti-domination, just pro Eurodomination. They don't want brown people in "white lands", yet never seem worries about white people doing the same sorts of things in Africa, Asia or the Americas. If Africa actually belonged to Africans etc, then I think they could do a much better job of digging themselves out of their problems than happens now. If we weren't selling weapons and proping up baddies all over the place (ps -- we used to FUND the taliban [they weren't commies] and promote jihad [against the commies]) the world might very well be better off. Forced segregation is bulldung, but allowing every tribe to have some safe area to develop their own powerbase and a means of self defense would end cultural domiation and reduce the possibility of genocide.

[occultish]

They aren't really anti-domination, just pro Eurodomination. They don't want brown people in "white lands", yet never seem worries about white people doing the same sorts of things in Africa, Asia or the Americas.

You said it better than I could have.