Elemental Magic

[odellin1]

I wonder if there is anyone here who could teach me to do elemental magic, (like being able to manipulate water, make a fireball out of thin air, or use the power of wind to push things.)

[Tsuchimaru]

Is that even possible?

[Aurora_Rain]

No... I really don't think that is possible. Especially the fireball out of thin air.

[odellin1]

It is possible , I've seen it before I just never got the chance to ask the guy how he did it. (That's why this thread is up).

[Lady Andais]

Now the fireball in a physical sense isn't very realalistic however manipulating air to blow a different direction is very real and possible. Here is a copy of how my mother and grandma taught me the elements when i was a young child. Once you are able to commune with the elements you then have a better understanding of the elements and can work much more powerful elemental magick.


Here is a kind of non-magick way of connecting and learning how to understand the elements. This is how my mom and grandma first started with me and well it seems appropriate to share this.

For earth my family had me out gardening. Once we were done planting what ever it was I would sit back and look at the plant. I never realized it back then but I would open myself up and meditate on the plant and the earth around me. I would ask some if the silliest questions like "Tree why do you grow that way?” But by doing this I started to learn the feel of the element Earth. Then the older I got the more I would just find a nice quiet spot out in nature and ask the earth what it cared to share with me. The more often I would connect and 'talk' with Earth the more I grew to understand the element and what its energies felt like.

Air worked in a similar way. Out we went on a windy day. I found that the four winds all have a different tale to tell and they do feel different and have different things that seem to be influenced by these winds. If I just wanted to enjoy the wind then I would just ask them all to join me as Air. I would again find a nice open place to open up and meditate. Ask simply what this element would like to share with you. You may be rather surprised at what you may learn.

Fire I learned by enjoying watching the flames dancing in the fire place at our new house. I would again meditate and ask what it would like to share with me. The more often I did this the easier I found it to be. The more I did this the more familiar I became with the energies and just the over all feelings of Fire.

And finally for Water I learned by going out into the Gulf of Mexico and just floated in a shallow area with my ears under the water and again asked what there was that the Water could teach me. Now please realize that you do not need to go there but any area of water were you can lay in it would work in my opinion. If you have a bath tub you can do this…simple lower your ears under the water and make a little wave or two and just listen.

This is how I first learned the Elements. I was a small child and well rituals just don’t work for most kids. My family got me out in nature and got me talking with it. By conversing with the elements you will learn what each feels like and what each is good at. Later down the road you will learn that you do not need a physical representation of any of the elements to be able to use them. By learning what they have to teach you, you bring in a part of that element to your soul and within you.

I hope this helps those who would like to start to get a better connection with all or any of these elements. Please remember that this is how I did it in the beginning and it may work for some but it also may not work for others.

[IvyWitch]

It is possible , I've seen it before I just never got the chance to ask the guy how he did it. (That's why this thread is up).

Are you sure you weren't watching a TV show or watching a stage magician? Because as far as Witchcraft goes the whole fireball thing is really just not possible...and that's more a physical logic thing than anything else.

[WynterWynd]

I wonder if there is anyone here who could teach me to do elemental magic, (like being able to manipulate water, make a fireball out of thin air, or use the power of wind to push things.)
Make a fireball outta thin air eh? :eyebrow:

[Phoenix Blue]

It is possible , I've seen it before I just never got the chance to ask the guy how he did it. (That's why this thread is up).
Get him to record a video of it, then. :)

[LadyTrinity]

Um hun, If you really did see such a thing I suggest you ask that person. I sure would like to know! :wtf:

[WynterWynd]

You and me both!! It would make the lighting of fireplaces/bbq's so much easier;)

[DonovanJoseph]

You and me both!! It would make the lighting of fireplaces/bbq's so much easier;)

LMFAO! :uzi:

[Ladyvi]

is it possible or isnt it .. anything is possible .. however . probability is the question. several factors go into elemental workings. working with elementals astrally then garnishing their physical prime material appearance needs both concentrated will, power, and energy. a little divine help is always nice. the necessary ingrediants around you is absolutely essential. the difficulty is enough without the ingredients. having heat around you and an affinity with fire is key . .as well as making really good friends with the element. how do you mix this all together. have not a clue. i know how it works . and at the moment deal with air, storms and lightning. now my boyfriend has more an affinity to fire.
CAUTION: working with fire has its obvious hazards . and if any of it gets misdirected you may affect others messing with it . is this the sort of accident you want to occur in heavily populated areas. and accidents will occur. think before you leap about what you really want. understanding and compassion needs to be forefront. at this point it isnt a matter of if you can . but if you should.

[Amethyst Rose]

:eyebrow: Uh huh.....

[Aidron]

I'm rather disappointed in most people who are involved in the occult that condemn these sorts of things as being 'unrealistic'. In my opinion, it is nothing more than self-imposed limits placed so that no one has to feel as if they cannot accomplish something. If you refuse to believe in it, then it must not exist, thus therefore you are no less accomplished, someone else is simply crazy. These limits also stem from the fact that all of us were raised in a world where thinking with the left side of our brain, or the 'common sense' side.

That aside, I do believe things are possible that most occultists laugh at. However, I doubt the original poster truly witnessed it for the simple fact that to produce more ramatic affects (such as a lightning bolt or a fireball) it could take you hundreds of lifetimes to even begin to see results. Unless there are immortals running around out there that I'm unaware of, no one lives that long, hence if it is seen, it's such a rare circumstance that people disbelieve it. I attribute it to being extremely rare due to the fact that some people have an extraordinary innate ability to accomplish tasks with much less practice than the rest of us would need.

So, possible, I believe so. Can anyone here teach you? No, and I say no instead of 'doubtful' cause like I said, it would probably take hundreds of lifetimes to work. Not only would you need to find someone here who can perform such feats, which would most likely be 1 in a 1,000,000,000,0000,000 chance, but also they would need to be able to live for several hundred lifetimes and so would you, as it would probably take that long just to see any sort of result from all the practice.

[Ladyvi]

well i agree in a sence of none recorded. so much lore and ability have been lost through out the ages. as far as the immortals some of their blood run through the veins of a few. as far as finding someone that already knows how to toss a fireball. if that person exists i doubt he makes his ability public at all. an awakened old soul that has transcended to incarnation of he/she own volition for one reason or the other could be someone that can do such feats. however. one thing i have learned. this fragile flesh body can handle only so much energy.

[Raivynne]

I agree with Raven as well as Ladyvi. It would take hundreds of lifetimes to accomplish this, but that doesn't mean that you can't start practicing now. Get a good grasp on the basics of each element, taking your time to learn and get familiar with each one.This alone could take years. I suggest working on the Astral Plane, asking for help from Deity, or Spirit Guides as well. Once you get to know each element then you can play around and see what can be accomplished easily, and then see if you can get any information from Guides, or what have you, about more experienced techniques. Make sure to be very careful and if you can find a teacher who can teach you the basics, especially since fire is such an unpredictable element, then I would suggest doing that. :)

[tree_guy]

odellin1,

so you want to achieve something out of nothing?
try experimentation and exploration through alchemy.
science is the reprieve you look for.
chemical reactions will produce certain effects.
raw,dry, sodium, on its own, is completely harmless until it comes into contact with moisture....the same idea behind why disposal of lithium batteries in a waterous environment is strongly advised against.
you will need a proper lab first...remembering to:
HARM NO OTHER.
you are trying to create explosions, which are just chemical reactions to their environments, and without guidance, is extremely foolish and advised against.
however, it is always up to the practitioner to set the boundaries, as long as you are aware of potential calamity to yourself and especially others.
then again, as already stated by others, it all boils down to the time spent on learning which will decide your success..

pleasant travels.

[Aidron]

remembering to:
HARM NO OTHER.



I see no reason to bring personal ethics into the discussion. :rolleyes:

[Akoni Leieki]

I agree with Raven as well as Ladyvi. It would take hundreds of lifetimes to accomplish this, but that doesn't mean that you can't start practicing now. Get a good grasp on the basics of each element, taking your time to learn and get familiar with each one.This alone could take years. I suggest working on the Astral Plane, asking for help from Deity, or Spirit Guides as well. Once you get to know each element then you can play around and see what can be accomplished easily, and then see if you can get any information from Guides, or what have you, about more experienced techniques. Make sure to be very careful and if you can find a teacher who can teach you the basics, especially since fire is such an unpredictable element, then I would suggest doing that. :)
actually thats not so true i dont kno about makng a ball ourt of nothing but my girlfriend... GOD has blessed her with many gifts... one of the gifts is the ability to manipulate energies VERY easily she dosent like how easy she can do it she has started fires with only energy bt im not sure out of thin air.. and yes she is a Christian like i am

[Raivynne]

Well the point of my post was to say that a fireball out of thin air is possible, but would take many lifetimes of practice unless one was very highly spiritually evolved, and that would still mean that they had lifetimes of practice. There are a lot of people who can manipulate energy easily and some people who have certain affinities for an/the element(s), and in my belief that is because in a past life/lives they mastered the abilities and carried them on into this life.

[Amethyst Rose]

I still don't think it's possible.

[DixieWitch]

Oh it's possible, but it won't come from the hands! I've seen my dad create fireballs before!!! Just eat alot of beans!!


I see no reason to bring personal ethics into the discussion. Maybe tree guy is bringing the Rde into it, not just personal ethics.

[Shanti]

On the serious note................I belive:

Yes its possible, we are limited by our human condition. How to get past the human side and reach for the elemtal and its energies and your energies, I do not know.

I tuely believe anything is possible even though not probable. There are powers out their that are yet unexplained and maybe you will find your answers.

[savannahrose44]

I still don't think it's possible.

Really....that's funny concidering spontanious human combustion is possible....if that is possible then why is this so impossible? :whatmewor

[savannahrose44]

In reading this thread...I found there are a lot of people that seem to think this is impossible....Curious how people can be so narrow minded. Try to think outside the box. :idea:

[3lem]

Try to think outside the box. :idea:

There's thinking outside the box....

...Then there's getting outside the box and giving it a good battering with your foot :). Impossible? No.. Improbable? Yes :)
3lem
x

[savannahrose44]

There's thinking outside the box....

...Then there's getting outside the box and giving it a good battering with your foot :). Impossible? No.. Improbable? Yes :)
3lem
x
I was reffering to those who insist that it is not possible. :D

[Klucky]

There's a huge difference between manipulating elements and creating the elements yourself. Manipulating is indeed possible, but usually very difficult (and dangerous as well as almost always unnessecary) to do. Actually creating an element (i.e. a fireball out of thin air) requires more science and brain power than the human mind can process or even contain. Making an energy ball out of thin air is different because it really isn't "out of thin air". The energy already exists in yourself and you're taking it out. I have yet to see a reason for making an energy ball.

-Klucky

[savannahrose44]

There's a huge difference between manipulating elements and creating the elements yourself. Manipulating is indeed possible, but usually very difficult (and dangerous as well as almost always unnessecary) to do. Actually creating an element (i.e. a fireball out of thin air) requires more science and brain power than the human mind can process or even contain. Making an energy ball out of thin air is different because it really isn't "out of thin air". The energy already exists in yourself and you're taking it out. I have yet to see a reason for making an energy ball.

-Klucky

Again I would tend to say that the realm of possible is a lot larger than people tend to think it is....Take spontanious human combustion for example. People bursting into flame for no reason...flame that comes from no discernable source...it comes out of nowhere! How is that possible, but someone creating a fireball out of thin air so impossible? :wtf:

[Klucky]

Again I would tend to say that the realm of possible is a lot larger than people tend to think it is....Take spontanious human combustion for example. People bursting into flame for no reason...flame that comes from no discernable source...it comes out of nowhere! How is that possible, but someone creating a fireball out of thin air so impossible? :wtf:

I didn't say it was impossible. :)

-Klucky

[savannahrose44]

I didn't say it was impossible. :)

-Klucky

I'm sorry I wasn't trying to say that you did...My bad.

[Klucky]

I'm sorry I wasn't trying to say that you did...My bad.

Not a problem. :lol:

-Klucky

[savannahrose44]

Not a problem. :lol:

-Klucky

Thanks. Great new avy by the way! :T

[Romani Vixen]

I think probably a more correct term would be 'improbable'. Anything is possible.

[Klucky]

Yes. Very good. :D

-Klucky

[goDez]

I believe it's probably doable to manipulate the elements, such as water, air, fire and earth, but I'm not sure about creating it.

Thus, you cant MAKE fireballs, although you could probably influence a fire. Or move water, or air for that matter. Trembling the earth perhaps..

I'm not sure however, how you could possibly do this, It would be energy magic but I believe energy magic only includes influencing other energies, which come from life. The elemental energys may be on some other plane or such, I'm not sure as well.

[tygherrayn]

I had a friend who used to say he couldn't believe in Magick and Witchcraft until he saw me throw a fireball. *smirks* Granted, he was raised Mormon, and still was firm in his faith. I respected that. he also attended our Handfasting, so I have more respect for him than a lot of people I know, as he was open enough to share that with us without being judgemental.

As for the creating fireballs thing? I'm not certain the creation of the element itself is something 99.9% of the human population is capable up. We don't even use all of our brain capacity. We're missing something still. Can we manipulate the Elements? Certainly. I can manipulate fire when I'm focused enough. But I personally cannot create fire from thin air. I can create the illusion of it with certain objects, however.

I have to agree with what a couple ofhters have sid,. It's not impossible .. for I think in Nature nothing is impossible. But I do think that it is improbable and unlikely that a human being can simply create the element without help.

[Lai]

Sure it's possible... in the same way that flying without aid, shooting lightning from your fingertips, and physical shapeshifting are possible. :lilangel:

[welkin]

to work with the elements, yes. but not create a fire ball for example.

[PhoenixRainWater]

Astrally, you may be able to...but maybe not physically...remember that energy cannot be created, but only displaced. Air really doesn't share many qualities with fire that could cause it to change...a type of combustion maybe, but you'd have to add some other ingredients. I personally dont' think its physically possible. Like I said...maybe astrally, but's that's because there may be different rules there. :rubhead:

[Jerusha]

I know I'm kind of getting into this thread a little late, but maybe I can provide a different kind of insight into the issue of "creating fireballs out of thin air."

I'm an Elemental Wiccan, meaning I work mostly with the Elements and everything in my circle is a naturally existing item in nature, in order to tune me in to the Elements around me. I strive for a balance of connection and a complete awareness of the Elements around me. For those interested, I'm ruled by Water (meaning Water is my strongest Element)… That doesn’t mean I can’t or don’t use the other Elements, that just means it’s the one I’m the most proficient in. My Elemental Hierarchy is Water, Fire, Air, and Earth (that’s the order of my proficiency). I know there aren’t a lot of Elemental Wiccans out there, though most people do incorporate various aspects of the Elements into their spell work…

I don’t think that the discussion is about Elemental manipulation (changing an Element as it exists… Playing with the wind, moving candle flames, etc), as most of us believe that it is possible. As to if it’s harmful and unnecessary… It can be, but most of the time, it really isn’t. In fact, most people manipulate the Elements freely, but they aren’t aware of it. For example, when you scry with a flame or with water, it isn’t as much as you’re watching the fire or water to see what it tells you, but your mind is connecting with the flame/water on a deeper, natural plane and the flame/water is acting as a medium and telling you what is in your deeper conscious. To make it easier to understand, think of reading a book. When you read a book, your eyes are acting as a medium to your mind to gain information from the book which you don’t inherently know. Pendulum work is another good analogy… The pendulum isn’t telling you something, but the pendulum is acting as a medium. On a simpler level, whenever you combine, say, water with salt, you are manipulating two Elements… You infuse two Elements (Earth and Water, in this case) to assist you in magical workings. I have even heard argued that the simple act of breathing is Elemental manipulation… The turning of Air into Spirit, since we take the air and use it to give us life. When you start talking about manipulating Elements on a grand scale, like calling in rain, building strong winds, that sort of thing, then that is a little different as there really is the great potential to do great harm without even really meaning to. If it rained everyday I wanted it to, most of us would be under water. ;)

Anyway, when I read that post where the poster wanted to know how to build fireballs out of thin air, I think I have an idea or two what he’s talking about, but again, I could be totally wrong… And honestly, I don’t think what he’s looking for is Elemental Magic.

In the case where it could be Elemental Magic, what probably happened is that he experienced another person building an Element (in this case, fire) out of thin air while he was in an altered state mentally… Not to say that he was drunk or anything like that, but maybe he was in ritual where the person in charge was very good at inspiring creative visualization with the participants. I’m sure most of us have been in ritual and would swear up and down that we saw the circle that was protecting us because the person who called it was just awesome at raising that feeling, that energy. In cases like that, it is possible that the Priest or Priestess may have had the participants visualize the drawing of an Element out of thin air (though generally they would be using the power of a pre-existing Element… Like using the power from a nearby bonfire, candle, or whatever). Generally, when this is done, it’s to cleanse the circle, bless the participants, banish, and things along those lines. I can’t say confidentially that one couldn’t use it to harm, but I think it would be fairly difficult because, generally, to draw the energy effectively, you have to have a very clear mind with very clear intent on how the power is used. I’ve tried to draw energy from an Element while I was in a bad mood (I wasn’t doing harm, I was just crabby) and I just couldn’t make the connection.

My other theory is that he simply witnessed somebody raising energy, a lot like most of us do while we’re in ritual. I have had people say (and frankly, I’ve seen myself) that when energy is raised, it sometimes looks something like fire.

Either way, either one certainly isn’t easy to teach and is the result of lots of hard work and practice.

But those are just my theories. Do with them what you want. :D

Jerusha