I have to ask,what is the necromantic arts?

[Shanti]

There is so much stuff out there with all these differant names and I have no clue what the term necromantic arts means.

I would google but I dont want to deal with a million wacked sites to have to syphon through!!

Can some of you explain so I am not ignorant of this termanolgy?

[Seren_]

Necromancy generally refers to any magical arts relating to the dead.

[thok_ragnarok]

Necromancy generally refers to any magical arts relating to the dead.

exactly, well put. I would like to add often it includes communication with the dead, summoning spirits from the lands of the dead, or use of bones, blood, or flesh of the dead

[Shanti]

Necromancy generally refers to any magical arts relating to the dead.
Ya kinda got that idea from the very little I found here on MW.

Could this path be discused?
Is this path to taboo?
Many paths are talked about but this one seems to kinda stay private!

[thok_ragnarok]

Ya kinda got that idea from the very little I found here on MW.

Could this path be discused?
Is this path to taboo?
Many paths are talked about but this one seems to kinda stay private!

many people who practice necromancy choose not to talk about it because it is one of the most hated of all forms of magic. Not only do judeo-christians hate it, but many pagans hate it as well. Often one who uses necromancy decides to take a darker path and feels no guilt for using anything at their disposal to accomplish what they want. Also it involves the dead, which has always been a taboo subject. To top it all off necromancers tend to be loners for the most part and do not wish to talk to others about anything

[Shanti]

many people who practice necromancy choose not to talk about it because it is one of the most hated of all forms of magic. Not only do judeo-christians hate it, but many pagans hate it as well. Often one who uses necromancy decides to take a darker path and feels no guilt for using anything at their disposal to accomplish what they want. Also it involves the dead, which has always been a taboo subject. To top it all off necromancers tend to be loners for the most part and do not wish to talk to others about anything
But not all pagans hate it. There is nothing wrong with the dark path. You cant have a light without the dark. The two sides need each other!

The dead..taboo..not to everyone.

I can understand the loner and the lack of openess but than how does one learn in order to understand?

If anyone would like to help teach me about this they can PM me. I search for knowledge in all types. The dark as I said is just as needed as the light since one can not exsist without the other.

To be balanced is know, understand, dark, light and all the shades inbetween.

[Shanti]

exactly, well put. I would like to add often it includes communication with the dead, summoning spirits from the lands of the dead, or use of bones, blood, or flesh of the dead
Tribal people have done just that in their magick. From my understanding is was the Shaman or medicine man or whatever person of worthyness. I also have read that these magick rituals were to help people in the tribe and to protect the tribe. Thats not a bad thing. They also responded on an offensive position at times which is understandable when given the circumstances.

[Shanti]

I would like to add to this thread......
If anyone has a desire to jump in with negative opinions please try to pass this thread. I seek to learn and can not if someone starts a debate or begins to show attitude. I seek understanding about an obvious contraversal path.


Thank You.

[thok_ragnarok]

But not all pagans hate it. There is nothing wrong with the dark path. You cant have a light without the dark. The two sides need each other!

The dead..taboo..not to everyone.

I can understand the loner and the lack of openess but than how does one learn in order to understand?

If anyone would like to help teach me about this they can PM me. I search for knowledge in all types. The dark as I said is just as needed as the light since one can not exsist without the other.

To be balanced is know, understand, dark, light and all the shades inbetween.

I never said all, I just said many pagans hate it. I agree with you on the dark path, I am a follower of a rather dark path and often go with vengence over forgiveness, often decided by what is most benificial to myself. From my experience learning is done the same way I learn everything spiritual...trial and error. I am not a teacher for this reason or I would offer to help you along the ways of the necromanic path.

[Shanti]

I never said all, I just said many pagans hate it. I agree with you on the dark path, I am a follower of a rather dark path and often go with vengence over forgiveness, often decided by what is most benificial to myself. From my experience learning is done the same way I learn everything spiritual...trial and error. I am not a teacher for this reason or I would offer to help you along the ways of the necromanic path.
I didnt mean offense. Sorry. I just hate seeing something as important as a path getting put down. I think I spoke more on a defencesive level.

I feel the vengence can be as needed as forgiveness. I myself have a forgiveness limit thats small. All emotions, are needed. Sometimes we need to bare our claws and at other times we need to forget and move on. Thats what I believe balance is all about. We also need, sometimes,to attack before we are attacked. These things I see as nessesities. The only question is which re-action and when, which is allways an individual choice.

Teaching comes from many forms. Simple communication is a teaching even when its not expected. When ever minds exchange thought the potential to learn and teach exsist!

Out of all I have searched thus far, this path seems to be the most private. This I have learned!!! :)

[Shanti]

I am reading and searching the internet and I am reading about necronomacy to be a magickal technigue which seeks communication with the dead. The word means literally 'divination through the dead."
I have also read that it is the ability to walk in the world of the dead and bring messages and knowledge back to the living. I also read that this ability is that of the Shaman. I am Shaman and have been going to the spirit realms for a long time(over 20 yrs). I do bring back messages and have interacted with beings from all differant planes and worlds and times. I already know that time is a human and material consept. I already know gnosis and that the other planes have the spirits that know what we can not in this reality. I have died and came back(NDE) with the gift.

I find terminology to be amusing. Of course they are dead!!! They are spirit!! Of course they can help, there knowledge is beyond the human mind!! Of course they have power, they are energy!

As for good and evil, they are both nessesary and to the thing of evil it is not evil in that it serves purpose that is needed. Again they need each other! That is why I say there is no evil because evil in itself is not.

So far from what I have read, I see nothing that anyone should feel uptight about. But I know some do.

I have seen so many people talk of Shamanism here. But how many realize that Shamanism is the ability to go to other planes and seek knowledge from spirits that once where alive? Shamanism isnt hugging a tree. It is the act of traveling to a plane that is spirit and powerful. Its not a hobby but an art and an ability. It is working with dead people and animals and creatures from many worlds.

Shamanism is very much connected to necronomcy from what I can tell.


And as with any complex spiritual art it can be distorted and abused. Not all Shaman are people who work for the good of another. Some do partake in twisting and using it for self gain but they are not evil, they are the other half that defines what we call good. They are the ones that give it balance.

And in todays world people will alter the true meanings to things, why I dont know. They just do. I read alot about people saying awful things about this path and I have read that in connections with other paths.

I dont know if this is wise to be speaking of this openly, but I am so be it.

I am searching for these perspectives that create these terms that are placed on things. I was Shaman before I knew its name.

Now someone that goes out and defiles graves,(illegal) I would worrie about but someone using a bone from a dead animal, I see no problem with. If its not meant to be used, the person would find out one way or another. If it is mean to be used, I would imagine it would serve fine. In our country I dont think using human bones is something that could be legally or easily done. In other countries,(tribes)that practise is accepted and used still today!

Perhaps I am to open minded!!! I would rather be to open than to closed. LOL

[Seren_]

Ya kinda got that idea from the very little I found here on MW.

Could this path be discused?
Is this path to taboo?
Many paths are talked about but this one seems to kinda stay private!

Well, I'm no expert, but I wouldn't say it's one path in particular, from what little I know. As far as I know you can approach it from a variety of perspectives; ceremonial magic, shamanistic, or if we're including general communicating with the dead, then your basic mediums and so forth.

[Shanti]

Well, I'm no expert, but I wouldn't say it's one path in particular, from what little I know. As far as I know you can approach it from a variety of perspectives; ceremonial magic, shamanistic, or if we're including general communicating with the dead, then your basic mediums and so forth.
So this path has many perspectives that people see it from. That is logical as all paths seem to have many branches and perspectives.

I, myself, dismiss the ghoulish and macabre because I find it unessessary. I feel that the macabre is more for human ego and attention. Not truely needed for knowledge. My perspective, mind you. :)

[aluokaloo]

I know very little about the path but, I guess the only way to find out if it interests you is just like any other path, walk it, and if it suits you, do what others have done before you and work out the details for yourself. I've never been overly interested in it myself, there are books that are specifically for Necromancy, you can find I've seen a few here and there why don't you go check them out if you are interested.

[Shanti]

I know very little about the path but, I guess the only way to find out if it interests you is just like any other path, walk it, and if it suits you, do what others have done before you and work out the details for yourself. I've never been overly interested in it myself, there are books that are specifically for Necromancy, you can find I've seen a few here and there why don't you go check them out if you are interested. Money......I have to be very careful on how and what I spend it on!!! We are low income and a tight budget. Books are expensive!!
Our library has no such books as it is a small christian town that doesnt have books on anything pagan or differant.

I am searching the internet as my previous post have stated and I have already posted things I have found.

[Tobias]

A few years back, God started to let me communicate with dead people. As a Christian, it took some getting used to!! Some time later I happened to watch John Edwards on tv, and realized what I was doing was common practice in Spiritualism.

Apparently Necromancy is concidered it's own thing, separate from shamaism and spiritualism. I just started looking into it yesterday, after that guy "Azrael's Path" posted something here looking for an "Earthly companion" to do necromancy with. That thread got moved to the "Connections" forum, where he and another person have both offered to help anyone who wants to along their way.

Here's a link to a pretty cool article I found last night:

Link (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/resources/articles/OnNecromancy.txt)

and here's an excerpt:

"The Red Dragon Grimoire contains a ritual for summoning a dead man
which, among other things, requires the necromancer to dig up a grave
with his bare hands in the middle of winter, expose himself to the
elements for hours on end, and throw exhumed bones into a Church during
midnight mass - and then run like hell before he gets caught. Reading
rituals like that one makes me wonder if they were ever intended to be
performed at all - or if the writer was trying to create the strangest,
goriest and most gruesome effect imaginable just to see if someone would
be stupid enough to try it. In cases like the Red Dragon Grimoire and
others, it is almost as if the writers of the later grimoires were trying
to tailor their necromancy to fit the spooky stereotype established
by Agrippa. "

[Shanti]

And your link explains what necromancy isnt...a grave digging goulish hobby!

Excerpt:
Necromancy is not about bones or blood or putrid corpses. It is about
reaching across from one state of being to the next. The necromancer
is not some grave-robbing black magician but a shamanic initiate who
harnesses the between-state for the power of destruction and recreation
that it brings. If we are to explore this fascinating and liberating
magickal art, we have to explode our preconceptions of what it is,
and to do that, we have to abandon the ghost-stories told to us by
Agrippa and other contemporary writers. Rather than looking at the
texts which are clearly an outgrowth of the witchcraze era, we should
look within, where life and death meet inside ourselves, to truly
understand where to begin.

[Tobias]

It also sais that the "divination from the dead" is a very insignificant part of necromancy. In the last paragraph it mentions something about tapping into the power of death, or something like that.

I'm interested to know what the heck that's supposed to mean, but not too sure I really want to find out! Especially when they say it has nothing to do with what shamans, mediums, and spiritualists do.

[Shanti]

It also sais that the "divination from the dead" is a very insignificant part of necromancy. In the last paragraph it mentions something about tapping into the power of death, or something like that.

I'm interested to know what the heck that's supposed to mean, but not too sure I really want to find out! Especially when they say it has nothing to do with what shamans, mediums, and spiritualists do. The last paragraph is in the post just above yours. I dont see your referance there. I re-read the entire link and can not find that of which your are speaking. Could you place an Excerpt in a post to clarify?

As to the power of death, death is very powerful such as the spark of life is. The spark of life is the coming together of the imortal with the mortal and equally, the power of death is the seperation of the two. 2 very powerful occurrences which we all partake in!

[Tobias]

sorry, second to the last paragraph:

"Its magick takes places in
that liminal state between living and dying, and most of its power
comes from this very liminality. The conjuring of spirits for
divinatory purposes is actually only a small and relatively unimportant
part of necromancy. The real work comes from the necromancer’s contact
with death and with the transformative power of death. There is
power released in the falling apart of things, and like the medlars
and sorb-apples celebrated in D.H. Lawrence’s poem, some things only
achieve their fullness by falling through the stages of decay."

[Kaija]

Okay, I suppose I'll step in for a second..

A: It depends on what you view necromancy as.. as one other thread has brought up was about demons.. it really should be brought up.

One type of necromancy (what I seem to have a natural talent for) is death.. not only can I speak with the dead, hear them normally... and sometimes see them.. I have also learned how to use these talents to connect with past lives.. and relationships that I had then.. (interesting practice that.. kind of sad and happy at the same time).. I also have no fear of dying (and never have). I have always wanted to be a mortician.. but not.. I want to be there to help the dead cross over, or find what peace they can.. (I am not currently planning on mortuary school because it is REALLY not eco friendly.. I'll either donate my body to the body farm, get all the legal requirements and friends permision to have a home cremation done by them... either that or just hope I'm murdered and left in the woods or eaten by wolves.. ).. ahem.. anyway, getting sidetracked.. lol

Second type of necromancer.. they follow the necronomicon.. which depending on what you believe is either fiction created by H.P. Lovecraft, or a book that Lovecraft had read and was inspired by.. I tend to think the first option, but.. even if that is so, if enough people believe in it.. the energy is or will be real.. From what I recall from reading the easily found paperback book of it it deals with releasing Cuthullu.. something about opening seven doors or something.. each level has a different demon that will be let loose.. Theory is that it is so dangerous that people have died in the pursuit.. hence why Cthullu is still bound.. Great rewards await the person to succeed.. including I believe the ability to bring people back from the dead.. This would also be the origin of the stereotypical D&D necromancers.

This is one name which really, can be interpreted by each person as a different thing. To me.. I've always had the ability to talk to the dead.. (all though I blocked it out for a long time).. so, it just crept into my path without me realizing it. I don't learn most of it through a teacher.. I do what feels right.. it's almost ancestor worship, but not.. I honor the dead, while seeing them as equal to me.. not above or below , no more pure, etc. etc. I try to help them when they need it, try to just listen when it is needed. Okay, if I keep going I'll never get up for work... so that's it for now..

[Shanti]

Okay, I suppose I'll step in for a second..

A: It depends on what you view necromancy as.. as one other thread has brought up was about demons.. it really should be brought up.

One type of necromancy (what I seem to have a natural talent for) is death.. not only can I speak with the dead, hear them normally... and sometimes see them.. I have also learned how to use these talents to connect with past lives.. and relationships that I had then.. (interesting practice that.. kind of sad and happy at the same time).. I also have no fear of dying (and never have). I have always wanted to be a mortician.. but not.. I want to be there to help the dead cross over, or find what peace they can.. (I am not currently planning on mortuary school because it is REALLY not eco friendly.. I'll either donate my body to the body farm, get all the legal requirements and friends permision to have a home cremation done by them... either that or just hope I'm murdered and left in the woods or eaten by wolves.. ).. ahem.. anyway, getting sidetracked.. lol

Second type of necromancer.. they follow the necronomicon.. which depending on what you believe is either fiction created by H.P. Lovecraft, or a book that Lovecraft had read and was inspired by.. I tend to think the first option, but.. even if that is so, if enough people believe in it.. the energy is or will be real.. From what I recall from reading the easily found paperback book of it it deals with releasing Cuthullu.. something about opening seven doors or something.. each level has a different demon that will be let loose.. Theory is that it is so dangerous that people have died in the pursuit.. hence why Cthullu is still bound.. Great rewards await the person to succeed.. including I believe the ability to bring people back from the dead.. This would also be the origin of the stereotypical D&D necromancers.

This is one name which really, can be interpreted by each person as a different thing. To me.. I've always had the ability to talk to the dead.. (all though I blocked it out for a long time).. so, it just crept into my path without me realizing it. I don't learn most of it through a teacher.. I do what feels right.. it's almost ancestor worship, but not.. I honor the dead, while seeing them as equal to me.. not above or below , no more pure, etc. etc. I try to help them when they need it, try to just listen when it is needed. Okay, if I keep going I'll never get up for work... so that's it for now.. Nothing wrong with communicating with the dead! Heck people have been doing it for eons!! People have contacted their dead ansecestors, people have commune with the dead for the seeking of answers they can not find.
Gosh when you think about it, spirit guides, many people have them and I imagine many of those guides are dead poeple and animals and what not!
It seems when you acknowledge a spirit as being a 'dead' person, it can creep out some folks. Like they are almost bypassing the thought of a spirit guide being a dead person!

I have been talking to people I know and seen some re-actions, like light bulbs turning on!

The word necromancy creates a fear, a thought of 'bad'. But a medium that works with dead people all the time doesnt instill the same reaction, even though the medium is in fact working with the dead! (I am talking of a true medium not a tv persona!)

Its kinda like the word witch in the old days. It was a word that wasnt dare spoken because it instilled fear and was thought to be bad.

The paintings of fiction and exageration have harmed practises that seem to have never been 'bad' to begin with. The true roots are not so evil as interpeted by some. Thats how I am seeing it as I learn!