What is your opinion about Satanists? [Archive] - MysticWicks Online Pagan Community and Spiritual Sanctuary

Muireannach

November 23rd, 2004, 11:46 AM

Shanti

November 23rd, 2004, 11:47 AM

I would have to ask the individual since just because a title is shared, the deffinition to it is an individual perseption!! So I couldnt comment till I have some basis to form an opinion on!!!

Morning Star

November 23rd, 2004, 11:53 AM

Also, having a poll that list all the misconceptions of Satanism, and asking someone to pick one, is a little offensive to me. It's like if I had a witchcraft poll and listed:

The point, my dear, is to see how people conceive Satanism - this would of course include misconceptions. I want to know if people have a legitimate understanding of what Satanism is. :)

also...saying that someone is a Satanist and someone is a Pagan are very, very different. Satanism is not nearly as broad a definition no matter how you look at it.

Shanti

November 23rd, 2004, 11:56 AM

The point, my dear, is to see how people conceive Satanism - this would of course include misconceptions. I want to know if people have a legitimate understanding of what Satanism is. :)
Understanding still can not be difined without taking it on a individual basis. One Satanist may give one explination of their path and another, a totally differant explination. There are to many variables to a blanket title.
Thats how I see it. :)

Felidae

November 23rd, 2004, 12:06 PM

I picked: Satanism is the worship and acceptance of human nature and nature itself, but as I dated a Satanist at one time my opinion is probably biased.

I do think that Satanists have more negative stereotyping and press to overcome than your average Pagan, though.

cheddarsox

November 23rd, 2004, 02:05 PM

From the FAQ here and other such info sources, I'd say I agree with 80% of the points of Levey style satanism, I get hung up on the name, because that feels like it's nothing but a button pusher.
From the folks I've know who are Levey Satanists, they pretty much run the gamut of personalities, like any other religion.

The "i wanna scare people" folks who call themselves Satanists are kind of a pain, just like the "I wanna scare people" pagans/witches.

cheddar

wakywitch

November 23rd, 2004, 02:08 PM

To each his or her own!

ToriaMaximus

November 23rd, 2004, 02:11 PM

The option I would have chosen isn't there but I would have chosen Satanism is the worship and acceptance of human nature via worship of the self.

Morning Star

November 23rd, 2004, 03:16 PM

Understanding still can not be difined without taking it on a individual basis. One Satanist may give one explination of their path and another, a totally differant explination. There are to many variables to a blanket title.
Thats how I see it. :)

Of course, but you cannot convince me that it is intelligent to choose no idea over a broad idea. Even paganism can be understood as a broad idea and it is nearly impossible to define to the satisfaction of all pagans. However, you cannot get people to agree on what love is or what beauty is - that does not mean they should not be discussed, nor that we should refrain from trying to understand them. We've been given brains - fearing to use them because language struggles to categorize and label a particular group of people or kind of thinking, is still out of the question. One must use their minds to try to understand something, even if it means doing so in a broad context. Furthermore, to fail to do so creates an ignorance and an inability to make judgments all together. For example, under your mindset, "A Satanist is someone who worships Jesus Christ" - may well be all fine and good to you. But even broad concepts have broad contradictions. I only argue this point, because your point of view seems quite popular on this particular site and I've always found such a point of view to be intellectually dishonest. (So don't flame me for calling people stupid. I haven't).

DamienDeville

November 23rd, 2004, 05:06 PM

Satanism is like a box of chocalates,you never know whats inside untill you open the box... :alol:
Did I open a can of worms?Theres been alot of interest since I posted My Path.. :bad:

Shanti

November 23rd, 2004, 05:23 PM

Of course, but you cannot convince me that it is intelligent to choose no idea over a broad idea. Even paganism can be understood as a broad idea and it is nearly impossible to define to the satisfaction of all pagans. However, you cannot get people to agree on what love is or what beauty is - that does not mean they should not be discussed, nor that we should refrain from trying to understand them. We've been given brains - fearing to use them because language struggles to categorize and label a particular group of people or kind of thinking, is still out of the question. One must use their minds to try to understand something, even if it means doing so in a broad context. Furthermore, to fail to do so creates an ignorance and an inability to make judgments all together. For example, under your mindset, "A Satanist is someone who worships Jesus Christ" - may well be all fine and good to you. But even broad concepts have broad contradictions. I only argue this point, because your point of view seems quite popular on this particular site and I've always found such a point of view to be intellectually dishonest. (So don't flame me for calling people stupid. I haven't). I didnt mean to ruffle your feathers. I was only stating my opinion that I can not form an opinion and as to why. Sorry if my opinion wasnt up to par. :)

Oh and I never flamed anyone or called anyone stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Threase

November 23rd, 2004, 05:33 PM

I put Satanism is primarily a form of spiritual humanism, but I agree with ToriaMaximus.

Morning Star

November 23rd, 2004, 05:33 PM

I didnt mean to ruffle your feathers. I was only stating my opinion that I can not form an opinion and as to why. Sorry if my opinion wasnt up to par. :)

Oh and I never flamed anyone or called anyone stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait. what? I'm confused.

I was just arguing why I disagreed with your point of view and not in a disrespectful or belittling manner. Also, I never said you flamed anyone or called anyone stupid - I was merely clarifying that I believed there was a difference between intellectual dishonesty, which is intellectual, and stupidity which is not intellectual at all. I wanted to make sure that while I was disagreeing with you, that I was not belittling your intelligence, just totally disagreeing with your approach to the issue at hand.

Shanti

November 23rd, 2004, 05:43 PM

Wait. what? I'm confused.

I was just arguing why I disagreed with your point of view and not in a disrespectful or belittling manner. Also, I never said you flamed anyone or called anyone stupid - I was merely clarifying that I believed there was a difference between intellectual dishonesty, which is intellectual, and stupidity which is not intellectual at all. I wanted to make sure that while I was disagreeing with you, that I was not belittling your intelligence, just totally disagreeing with your approach to the issue at hand.
I prefer not to argue. I am sorry you disagree with my opinion of not being able to form an opinion. For me, the subject is much to complex to form an opinion as presented in the poll. Intelligence or stupidity or ignorance, to me, is irrelevant in the idea of forming an opinion in this particular topic.
But, thank you for acknowledging my opinion though. I too, acknowledge but also disagree with yours. :)

Temptation

November 23rd, 2004, 05:58 PM

I chose Satanism is the worship and acceptance of human nature and nature itself.

I had a lot of misconceptions about this particular path, before I read DamienDeville's take on it yesterday in another thread. After reading it I realised I was mistaken on a lot of things. If asked this before yesterday, I would have probably chosen the "Satanists worship the Devil" option.

Thanx Damien for opening my eyes ;)

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED

November 23rd, 2004, 06:13 PM

Morning Star

November 23rd, 2004, 06:22 PM

I studied Satanism (LaVeyan Satanism) and I believe it primarily a form of humanism. In the Satanic bible there is a reason why it is called Satanism as opposed to Humanism, but being the excellent student I am...I cant remember. I'll look it up and get back to you. From what I've studied Satanism is about taking control of your own life, not blaming others for your own problems, accepting that you and only you can change your life for the better. Definately not about eating babies :)

The reason is, LaVey believes that we need a Dogma with which to exercise our imaginations. To deprive ourselves of Dogma or a religious language is unnecessary - and as an excellent psychologist, LaVey realized the benefits of imagination and in many cases fantasy. :) However, the Satanic Bible is very demanding when it comes to keeping ones' feet on the earth - remember, it is primarily a path of self-mastery and indulgence.

Pure Ahimsa

November 23rd, 2004, 06:34 PM

Good thing no one clicked the "Black magic" one-since Black Magick is just when you use the colour Black for absorbing and directing positive energy and much other uses-used in colour magick and candle magick.

semi

November 23rd, 2004, 06:46 PM

Well if it's not about eating babies, to hell with it.

Morning Star

November 23rd, 2004, 06:48 PM

Well if it's not about eating babies, to hell with it.

lmfao ahahahahah That's fantastic! Thank you. I needed a laugh badly today. :)

Hey Semi - can I steal that and put it beneath my banner for a few days? It's too amusing.

semi

November 23rd, 2004, 07:01 PM

Sure. Just be nice to people I love, like Shanti. I know you didn't mean anything bad, but one of your posts seemed a little insulting. But I think, when you replied, it came out better. Everything's cool. I love my Shanti, man, nobody messes with my Shanti!!! And if we have to fight about this, then I'll be forced to cry like a little girl. And nobody wants that.
But sure, if you want the stigma of quoting me, go for it.

morrigan

November 23rd, 2004, 07:33 PM

I guess it depends on your definition of satanism.. and i will admit until i read a thread in MW i had a mis concieved idea of it.. i guess what i thought of it was how some ppl view themselves when they call themselves a satanist but others have a totally different take on it.. i guess it has changed my ideas on it .. not something i would choose for my path but something i will think of differently.. Blessed Be ~Morrigan~
PS.. just a quick note on the poll.. for the majority of goths, being a goth isnt a fad and it is a lifestyle not a religion.. eg.. I am a goth and I am a witch.. goth= lifestyle witch=religious orientation

Morning Star

November 23rd, 2004, 09:09 PM

As to the "goth" aspect in the poll - I was trying to present as many misconceptions as possible in order to find out what misconceptions people had. In no way, or at any point, was I trying to belittle any culture whatsoever - I appologize for not making that clear - but that would have made it a little difficult to evaluate what misconceptions people had and which they didn't. I appologize however it I came off looking down on gothic culture.

AlAskendir

November 23rd, 2004, 11:01 PM

Everyone seems to have a different opinion about Satanists (sometimes even Satanists don't agree. :) )

How do you see/view Satanism and Satanists, what do you think they believe and so forth.

You really should have included an 'other' option in the poll. I have known three serious Satanists, and none of them would have chosen any of the options you did include.

See, as far as I can tell, Satanists are disapointed with the effects of 'brightness', 'gentleness', and 'flow' in their lives. So any word that "smacks of" any of these, even 'spirituality', would be rejected. To Satanists (at least the ones I have known), 'Power' and 'Force' are not only synonymous, they are exactly the same - - - the only way to get 'Power' is to use 'Force' - - - and I'm not talking the Jedi kind! Once you have 'Power' the only way to apply it is 'Forcefully', and the only way to have any magickal effect is to go for a 'Forceful' magickal effect by directly applying 'Power' wherever (and upon whomever) it will do the most work, with the most efficiency.
'Love', 'gentleness', 'flow', 'harmony', 'society', 'ethics', & 'morals' are just propaganda-delusions perpetrated on those not-in-the-know by those who actually control human society.

From there, they diverge on the best kinds of rituals, what the difference between a 'demon' and a 'devil' is, whether LeVey was a complete fraud......

much like other Pagans about their own beliefs. (lol!)

karma_lives

November 24th, 2004, 02:24 AM

(Waits for the game of pin-the-tail-on-the-satanist)

What do I think of them? I am one, and there are many different varieites of Satanists, so I didn't answer as the poll would require specification. It's like asking "What do you think of pagans?" There are so many diverse varieities one cannot answer something so general.

Also, having a poll that list all the misconceptions of Satanism, and asking someone to pick one, is a little offensive to me. It's like if I had a witchcraft poll and listed:

Witchcraft is a rejection of Christianity.
They kill babies
Witches cast hexes on people.
etc....

(no offense to those who practice witchcraft, this is merely an example)

Don't forget my FAQ on LaVeyan Satanism, I beleive it is under "similar links" in this thread.
I won't pin the tail on you! I tend to miss..so it'd be like..pin the tail on the..nose, or the elbow...or some weird place like that. As for me. It depends on the person. There are some people who are christian who are down right naughty and mean and cruel. There are satanists who are very sweet people and then there are those who are of the not so sweet variety.

Gede

November 24th, 2004, 07:31 AM

MM~
I highly respect the Satanic philosophy in that it is truthful, raw and unbiased. I do not see Satanism as a religion as one of it's many admirable traits (at least in my eyes) is that it rejects the notion of institutionalism on the grounds of adhered precepts and governing moral laws which constrict the natural demeanour of humanity's carnal reality - that we are animals with desires and with a will and a way to attain them. It is a philosophy and attitude to Life that regards the moment as essential and the serving of one's Self as mandatory, or rather as the first priority. It is not a scandalous rebellion against the Abrahamic faiths but a psychological pronouncement of Satan as a symbol of freedom, creativity and fulfilment. However there are many sects within the broad notion of Satanism, and like Paganism a simple definition of the word does not necessarily depict the reality for all practitioners.

I voted 'spiritual humanism' because I did not agree with the 'worship' in the other one, as I don't believe Satanists worship anything, idealise, revere and uphold perhaps, but not worship.

Namaste, Gede...

DamienDeville

November 24th, 2004, 07:39 AM

Morning Star

November 24th, 2004, 07:43 AM

From the Satanic Bible, page 53:

"Satanism is the only religion known to man that accepts man as he is, and promotes the rationale of turning a bad thing into a good thing rather than bending over backwards to eliminate the bad thing".

That is where Satanism begins. So that is a good place to start off. I want to show you why you are completely wrong about the nature of force in any of the Satanic religions

From page 81.

"People often mistake compulsion for indulgence, but there is a world of difference between the two". (indulgence is what the Satanist is after, not compulsion) "A compulsion is never created by indulging, but ny not being able to indulge. By making something taboo, it only serves to intensify the desire. Everyone likes to do the things they have been told not to. 'Forbidden fruits are sweetest'.

Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary defines indulgence thusly: 'To give oneself up to; not to restrain or oppose; to give free course to; to gratify by compliance; to yield to'. The dictionary definition of compulsion is: 'The act of compelling or driving by force, physical or moral; constraint of the will; (compulsory, obligartory)'. In other words, indulgence implies choice, whereas compulsion indicates the lack of choice.

When a person has no proper release for his desires they rapidly build up and become compulsions. If everyone had a particular time and place for the purpose of periodically indulging in their personal desires, without fear of embarrassment or reproach, they would be sufficiently released to lead unfrustrated lives in the everyday world."

The Satanic Bible is very strict about force and about never forcing others to do your will when you are able to do it yourself and when they have done you no wrong which would constitute your meddling in their lives. The Satanist understands the only force or power they need is within themselves and they therefore set out to become masters of themselves, such that they will satisfy their lusts by their free indulgence, and will without frustration precede to accomplish their will in the world.

Satanists believe a lot of different things and many have broken off into organizations such as the Church of Lucifer and the Temple of Set, but most "Satanists" agree that force & power are two completely different things. Power is the ability to do work. Force is an act of compulsion and the Satanist ought never be in a position where he cannot accomplish his/her goals through work and therefore be in need of compulsion.

ap Dafydd

November 24th, 2004, 07:57 AM

No strong views, but I tend towards regarding Satanists as just another Christian denomination (good way of shocking the Christians, if nothing else...)

gwyn eich byd

Ffred

arctic splash

November 24th, 2004, 08:29 AM

I've never really studied or attempted to learn anything about Satanism.

My preconception -- most likely misconception -- is that it's a lot like Ayn Rand's objectivism.

Wicker Man

November 24th, 2004, 08:51 AM

To be honest, I don't agree with any of those options listed above as far as what Satanism is. To me it's too broad to define in any simple terms, though I will say that it isn't about the worship of evil or the Christian Devil. Satanism, just like any other religion, has many different "denominations" of sorts, such as modern, traditonal or theistic and can't be labeled or pinned down as being one thing. The most popular and often quoted Satanists tend to be of the atheistic train of thought, but there are probably just as many who believe in Satan as some form of deity as well. Satanism is about the individual and it's the individual who defines what Satan is and not any particular group.

I also don't think it's fair to label Satanism as some sort of fad and not a genuine religion, as the same could be (and has been) said about Paganism. Both are equally valid and deserve to be called a religion, regardless of how recent they've been established or how many people are practioners in name only.

Morning Star

November 24th, 2004, 01:12 PM

I've never really studied or attempted to learn anything about Satanism.

My preconception -- most likely misconception -- is that it's a lot like Ayn Rand's objectivism.

Actually that isn't too far off. :) Hense its' appeal.

Morning Star

November 24th, 2004, 01:13 PM

Sonic Seamus

November 24th, 2004, 02:59 PM

I read the Satanic Bible cover to cover several times growing up and Anton LaVey was at the top of my "10 people I'd like to meet" list in high school much to the fright of my teachers. I'd like to read it again with older and wiser eyes.

Mesektet

November 24th, 2004, 08:56 PM

They have always been pretty groovy people to me. Nice to see humanism persued in a different way.

Rain Gnosis

November 24th, 2004, 09:24 PM

Incidentally, I'm constantly plugging this website in Satanism threads as I think it's the best one to learn about Satanism quickly and succinctly. If you don't know anything about LaVeyan Satanism, this is the best site to take a look at.

http://www.satanism101.com/ - go to Essentials and you'll see the principles, statements, and sins of Satanism right there - easy to read and clear and concise. Check out the FAQ in that section too, it's excellent.

OMmomma

November 24th, 2004, 10:13 PM

Just an intuitive guess. The only info I've come across has been on Beliefnet. Spiritual humanism, hedonism, and catering unapologetically to the ego. The 'Satan' tag, gets me though, nothing more than a ruse to laugh at others' ignorances. IMO. Not my cup of tea, but wisdom can be found in the damndest places! Never met anyone who actually called themselves a Satanist.
I always had questions though, maybe someone here could answer.

How important is the 'persona' of Satan to your beliefs? Since you don't actually worship the Christian Devil, is the name and external image of your belief then, just to elicit an emotional response from non-Satanists? That to me, seems so 'Hollywood'. Or is it more an illusionary reference to the fictitous boogey-man that the inquisition threatened the western world with?(just to illustrate the awesome power of the human mind!)

Genuinely curious.

AlAskendir

November 24th, 2004, 10:16 PM

You have a point, and I am glad to be able to receive it. I stand corrected concerning the Satanic religions....after all, all I had knowledge of was the people, and what little of LeVay's book I was able to read (that first 'hate everything' section). You are right in that these three people never tried or spoke of wanting to try to restrain or compel anyone, yet somehow any disagreement with any of them became an in-my-face argument, with never a chance at 'agree to disagree' anywhere thereafter. They may not have intended to compel anyone, but by being unrestrained with their own annoyance, anger, and tempers, they have a compelling effect on everyone they know. Everyone who knows them says they have forceful personalities...but maybe they were that way before they got into Satanism...or maybe it's just something about Reno.

Anyway, thanks for the update!

From the Satanic Bible, page 53:

"Satanism is the only religion known to man that accepts man as he is, and promotes the rationale of turning a bad thing into a good thing rather than bending over backwards to eliminate the bad thing".

That is where Satanism begins. So that is a good place to start off. I want to show you why you are completely wrong about the nature of force in any of the Satanic religions

From page 81.

"People often mistake compulsion for indulgence, but there is a world of difference between the two". (indulgence is what the Satanist is after, not compulsion) "A compulsion is never created by indulging, but ny not being able to indulge. By making something taboo, it only serves to intensify the desire. Everyone likes to do the things they have been told not to. 'Forbidden fruits are sweetest'.

Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary defines indulgence thusly: 'To give oneself up to; not to restrain or oppose; to give free course to; to gratify by compliance; to yield to'. The dictionary definition of compulsion is: 'The act of compelling or driving by force, physical or moral; constraint of the will; (compulsory, obligartory)'. In other words, indulgence implies choice, whereas compulsion indicates the lack of choice.

When a person has no proper release for his desires they rapidly build up and become compulsions. If everyone had a particular time and place for the purpose of periodically indulging in their personal desires, without fear of embarrassment or reproach, they would be sufficiently released to lead unfrustrated lives in the everyday world."

The Satanic Bible is very strict about force and about never forcing others to do your will when you are able to do it yourself and when they have done you no wrong which would constitute your meddling in their lives. The Satanist understands the only force or power they need is within themselves and they therefore set out to become masters of themselves, such that they will satisfy their lusts by their free indulgence, and will without frustration precede to accomplish their will in the world.

Satanists believe a lot of different things and many have broken off into organizations such as the Church of Lucifer and the Temple of Set, but most "Satanists" agree that force & power are two completely different things. Power is the ability to do work. Force is an act of compulsion and the Satanist ought never be in a position where he cannot accomplish his/her goals through work and therefore be in need of compulsion.

AdNoctum

November 25th, 2004, 02:34 AM

How important is the 'persona' of Satan to your beliefs? Since you don't actually worship the Christian Devil, is the name and external image of your belief then, just to elicit an emotional response from non-Satanists? That to me, seems so 'Hollywood'. Or is it more an illusionary reference to the fictitous boogey-man that the inquisition threatened the western world with?(just to illustrate the awesome power of the human mind!)

Genuinely curious.

Atheist/Symbolic Satanists see Satan as the symbol for all that is good about humanity. Traits like greed, lust, and anger are not inherently bad and can even be beneficial in reasonable amounts, but taken to the extreme they can be harmful (as we are all aware). These traits make us who we are, and Satan a symbol for all the positive qualities of mankind.

Theistic Satanists (which is what I am) are not that different from Symbolic Satanists, but we happen to believe Satan exists. How Satan is viewed is largely up to the individual Satanist. The Christian idea is definetly an influence (as is Christianity as a whole), but we happen to interpret him differently. Some Christians believe that questioning their beliefs opens themselves up to Satan's influence. They see this as a bad thing, but we think it is good, because questioning your beliefs either will help them grow stronger or cause you to throw them away in favor of something you truly believe. We see Satan as someone who wants us to think for ourselves and draw our own conclusions, not blindly following whatever orthodoxy is shoved in our faces.

Also, this (//http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/Muse/XianSatanEvil.html) essay by Diane Vera may help answer some of your question.

Grey

November 25th, 2004, 03:54 AM

The satanists Ive met have fallen under two catagories... serious and fads. The fads beliefs Ive ignored, as in six months they are into something else... quite crazy IMO.
The rest seemed to believe along the lines of the post here entitled "luciferianism" *looks for a link*

Here it is: http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=21951&highlight=luciferianism

morrigen

November 25th, 2004, 05:23 AM

PS.. just a quick note on the poll.. for the majority of goths, being a goth isnt a fad and it is a lifestyle not a religion.. eg.. I am a goth and I am a witch.. goth= lifestyle witch=religious orientation

Yep. That's what I wanted to say, as well.

I could not vote on the poll as it seemed to contain a whole bunch of misconceptions that I do not subscribe to.

Rain Gnosis

November 25th, 2004, 05:55 PM

MoonAnu

November 28th, 2004, 03:34 PM

I have no problem with Satanists as a whole. I have a problem with some individuals that claim they are Satanists. I haven't encountered any morons on this site, but in real life, particularily in high school, I met quite a few of them. In certain cases it was a fad in high school. They wanted to be different, they bought a pentagram with Baphomet on it from Spencers or wherever, and tried to scare the "preppies". True satanism is an acceptance of human nature, nature itself, and behavior, whether Laveyan, or theistic Satanism/etc/too many to name, and that I can relate and identify with in my own beliefs.

- Merryck

Theres

November 28th, 2004, 05:02 PM

Anton LaVey was at the top of my "10 people I'd like to meet" list in high school much to the fright of my teachers.
i did, back in the sixties. i only really remember me and my friend walking away laughing at the guy with the weird eyebrows!
the man was a charlatan in my opinion... little more than a spiritual carnie. however, that alone doesn't necessarily invalidate the 'church' he created.

i too found no option in the poll that fit my view, as is usually the case with these polls.
however, such an option would probably be something like... "the unabashed worship of the self, with little higher meaning".
that's great, but holds no value for me whatsoever. my ego stands up just fine without any worshippers! :lol:

Grey

November 29th, 2004, 02:07 AM

It just seems odd... Why would the worshop of ones own nature be called "satanism" As satan means nemisis. It seems more to be saying "worshop of the enemy". I know the few longterm satanists in my area actually do worshop the christian devil *an idea that I dont care to duplicate but find to be a fascinating mental loop* and I cant understand why one would choose to term themselves as such unless 1) that was the case, or 2) They are attempting to scare/intimidate people. If your an objectivist... enjoy. But what does that have to do with satan, or lucifier, or any of the fallen?

WinterBorn

December 5th, 2004, 01:16 AM

Morning Star

December 5th, 2004, 07:29 AM

Ok it depends.... I can't really choice from the list because it really depends on the Satanic structure of ones beliefs. There are those that worship Lucifer and believe he is good hearted and is the light of the world... There is those who worship the dark lord Satan and believes him to be the opposing of God's will and follow him because they disagree with God... Those that follow the LeVay Satanism which is little to do with Satan or Christianity.... And so on... Some are fools and ignorant angst teens and others are intelligent and understand what Satanism they follow. I find it to be interesting expecially the story of Lucifer but I would never follow Satanism for it is not my path.

Very well said. I think you summed that up perfectly. Though, most people who worship Lucifer as a God of Light and/or Light of the world would consider themselves satanists or even luciferian. I think they would fall under a more classical paradigm. :) But who can tell.

Paganism is on the rise and we are all trying to figure out where we fit in; all trying to get our definitions straight. We aren't doing a very good job it seems, but at least we are trying. I would hope that in the future we will see traditions go underground. When a few people develop a system they like, take it underground, don't bother explaining it to anyone - make it your own. Don't let others come in and corrupt what works for you. People who are drawn to the pagan world are often too individualistic for traditions anyway, but we all want to belong to something, to be a part of something. I think in this sense a coven system is terrific. A group of people working together, sharing thier spirituality together. It doesn't even require a name - do what works - define it how you wish, but do not try to force others to recognize it, because they'll just try to redefine it all anyway. Blah - such an interesting issue.

Nighthawk

December 8th, 2004, 10:42 AM

Well, they have their trip and I have mine. I know a few to some degree, without a hassle.

fifthelement

December 13th, 2004, 08:50 AM

Satan is the name for an extreme evil being in the Hebrew/Christian traditions.

Anyone who calls their religion 'Satanism' is setting themselves up for some really bad things no matter how nice they are or how often they say they don't believe in the evil stuff.

What would you think of a fellow who called his religion 'Hitlerism' and then said the Hitler he worshipped was actually a nice guy?

When you call upon a force of evil--- even if you claim it's really a misunderstood good force--- don't be surprised if you get a force of evil.

Our ancient Pagan/Heathen ancestors would reject Satanism just in the same way Christianity does.

Myzttycal

December 13th, 2004, 10:34 AM

That they are people. :) Nothing more. And I know of two that are pretty cool people in my book.

I have to agree, people are people no matter what their Religon.
There have been too many deaths and critisms of people due to their Religon.
There is good and evil in every Religon, I for one just find people I get along with it doesn't matter what they believe or not.
There is enough hate in this world without me adding to it!

Myzty

AdNoctum

December 13th, 2004, 03:33 PM

Satan is the name for an extreme evil being in the Hebrew/Christian traditions.

Partially right. There is no "extreme evil being" in Judaism, as they believe their God creates both good and evil (Isaiah 45:6-7).
Anyone who calls their religion 'Satanism' is setting themselves up for some really bad things no matter how nice they are or how often they say they don't believe in the evil stuff.

What "really bad things" in particular? Your statement sounds just a little bit like a threat.

What would you think of a fellow who called his religion 'Hitlerism' and then said the Hitler he worshipped was actually a nice guy?

I'd think he was strange for worshipping a dead human. If our theoretical "Hitlerist" is not harming others or breaking laws, there's not much one can do about him. If he is, then he must be punished accordingly.

When you call upon a force of evil--- even if you claim it's really a misunderstood good force--- don't be surprised if you get a force of evil.

"Evil" according to whom? I know many Pagans believe that there is no such thing as "evil," so whose idea of evil are you going by?

Our ancient Pagan/Heathen ancestors would reject Satanism just in the same way Christianity does.

Can you prove that?

omar

December 13th, 2004, 05:32 PM

Fang of Loki

December 15th, 2004, 06:13 AM

Satanism is primarly a form of spiritual humanism.

Morning Star

December 16th, 2004, 07:45 AM

Our ancient Pagan/Heathen ancestors would reject Satanism just in the same way Christianity does.

While I will agree that most neo-pagans reject most forms of Satanism, I think it is absurd to image that the ancients would have rejected it. There have been cults following Lucifer, Set, Dionysus & Pan, each sharing much in common with good ol' Satan. I find your reaction to this thread to be more a sign that you have not really studied the matter before you and you do not yet understand what it is that you are rejecting.

Morning Star

December 16th, 2004, 07:47 AM

Satan means Advisary. Lucifer means Bringer of Light. The early church needed a way to scare the people into fallowing there way, so they turned the horned god Lucifer into an evil being. They needed a scape goat for there sins. So they selected Lucifer to be the scapegoat. That is where scapegoat came from. Lucifer did not fall from Gods grace,he was draged down from Gods grace by the human race.

Actually, the Scapegoat came from the slaughtering of a Goat that had ritually taken on the sins of people in ancient times. Lucifer wasn't used until much later.

Ron

December 17th, 2004, 11:51 AM

I myself am an anti-atheist, but humanists I do not consider atheists -- I watch them as they believe in the Great Spirit in all things :) I do find Humanists to be quite excellent people, almost as generous/sometimes more as/than Reformed Christians :) However, I do believe they should consider the G-D question with a second look... But I do repsect their practises, nevertheless.

xXSpazzXx

December 22nd, 2004, 08:51 PM

My friend Michael claims to be a satanist and asked me to join with him. He is not like that really though he acts like it sometimes but other times hes not really what he says he is. I guess people have their own little beleives of what it is. To me I would probably say its a person who worships the christian devil only because thats how most of the people who I come in contact who claim to be a satanist says but then again also "Satanism is the worship of dark gods and it praises all things evil" that too. Most of them say its like that. I guess everyone can beleive what they want.

Morrighan61

December 23rd, 2004, 04:17 AM

I think there's a big difference between a Satanistic ceremonial magician like Crowley or a revisionist Satanist like LeVey or Aquino, and the guys out there who are doing their Satan Worshipping the nasty way. The first two kinds of Satanists don't bother me at all, but the third?

That's another story.

I don't believe that there's some mass Satanic conspiracy, but I did have relatives in Law Enforcement when I was a kid and I saw some really strange pics. I've seen the remains of dead animals used in sacrifices, that were not Santeria or Voudoun based.

IMHO a "cultist" Satanist has the same right to call themselves that as the more beneign variety. Just as folk Witches, Brujah's etc have a right to the term "Witch." They're worshiping the same Deity albeit in a sick and twisted manner.
A lot of modern Witches and Satanists would like to whitewash their relgiions and pretend that the religions we practice don't have a dark side.

But they DO, and I cannot agree with that.

I've met a few Witches who were working on the negative side. I've personally been invited to join a coven of Satanic Witches who are NOT into just reading the Satanic Bible and celebrating the lustiness of life.

Yes, I declined.

I'm a Goddess loving gal....

But BOTH religions have their "bad seeds" as far as I am concerned.

Predominantly? Wiccans, Pagans, Satanists, and Witches are a decent lot of folks, but as with ANY religion there are people out there who's idea of "worship" includes horrifying practices.

Are Satan-worshipping cultists they any less "Satanistic" than the Satanic Priest who shaves head and who celebrates a black mass every week with a hot willing girl altar and some chanting up the money?

Nope...

"Satan" just isn't a part of my theology personally. I don't care one way or the other who you worship so long as nothing and nobody gets hurt.

Morrighan

Pure Ahimsa

December 26th, 2004, 05:30 PM

(Waits for the game of pin-the-tail-on-the-satanist)

What do I think of them? I am one, and there are many different varieites of Satanists, so I didn't answer as the poll would require specification. It's like asking "What do you think of pagans?" There are so many diverse varieities one cannot answer something so general.

Also, having a poll that list all the misconceptions of Satanism, and asking someone to pick one, is a little offensive to me. It's like if I had a witchcraft poll and listed:

Witchcraft is a rejection of Christianity.
They kill babies
Witches cast hexes on people.
etc....

(no offense to those who practice witchcraft, this is merely an example)

Don't forget my FAQ on LaVeyan Satanism, I beleive it is under "similar links" in this thread.

True. As their are many types of everything. :dancy:

memnoch

December 26th, 2004, 05:43 PM

all answers are correct based on the individual satanist. Levay Satanists are all about human nature and self worship, demonic satan worshipers are a mix of anti christians and those who worship all things evil. Its too large of a catagory to single down like that

FaeFollower

December 29th, 2004, 09:52 PM

::shrugs::

Satanism is just a word; it doesn't really mean anything. It depends on the individual person.

SSanf

December 29th, 2004, 09:59 PM

It is my understanding that Satan is in the Christian pantheon of deities. I would presume Satanists are Christians in rebellion.

Zophael

January 3rd, 2005, 07:17 PM

When I think of Satanism, I think Church of Satan immediately. However it seems like almost every Satanist I've met has a different set of beliefs. Never judge a Satanist by their label. I find myself a Satanist for believing in the Nine Satanic statements and for being opposed to authoritarian elements of the Abrahamic religions. Oddly I'm not an antichrist. I believe in him as a fellow Satanist.

AdNoctum

January 3rd, 2005, 08:03 PM

It is my understanding that Satan is in the Christian pantheon of deities. I would presume Satanists are Christians in rebellion.

That would require that we believe the Christian God is the "true" god, that Jesus is his son and the genuine savior of mankind, but we just prefer the "bad guy."

We don't.

Lady Khaibit

January 12th, 2005, 03:13 PM

I do not personally accept Satanism, because I do not believe in Satan myself. To me Satan is a Christian generalization of "evil". I have been told by many that if it is not Christian it is evil. So am I to believe that Jews and Buddists monks are the embodiment of Satan? Surely not, it's all about how YOU percieve it. I don't accept that theire is only one embodiment of evil.... that's just silly to me. I've studied too many religons to fall into that one-sided trap. So I just choose to repectfully disagree.

Lady K

AdNoctum

January 12th, 2005, 05:35 PM

...I do not believe in Satan myself.

You'd be surprised by how many Satanists don't, either. ;)

cerunnos

January 19th, 2005, 06:24 PM

morning star? is there any relevence in your name that might include a fire inside and lucifer's fall from grace? sorry to go off topic but it's bugging me.....

Zophael

January 21st, 2005, 01:38 PM

morning star? is there any relevence in your name that might include a fire inside and lucifer's fall from grace? sorry to go off topic but it's bugging me.....

Venus is referred to as the morning star because it rises in the small hours just before sunrise. The name Lucifer 'light giver' was given to it because it heralded the dawn.

Lady Khaibit

January 25th, 2005, 07:42 PM

You'd be surprised by how many Satanists don't, either. ;)

I know, isn't it remarkable how so many one-side views and arguments taint the way that other people look at other paths? ;)

Morning Star

January 31st, 2005, 08:31 AM

I know, isn't it remarkable how so many one-side views and arguments taint the way that other people look at other paths? ;)

Satanism has been the most strongly opposed and rigerously persecuted religion over the last 2000 years. Up until recently, a person would have to be out of their mind to admit to being a theistic Satanist and now that there is new satanism, or non-theistic satanism, it's confusing enough the people just blow satanists off the way they do most other strange existences.

I still haven't made up my mind about Satan, but I think of him as being the god of the instincts, of the animal, of the raw, carnal humanness in us all. I prefer the general ideal of Satan to that of the Christian God, or of Christ, but there is something strange about a God who was first simply used by another religion to scare their believers into worshiping their God. Satan is losing its' meaning. Nietzsche said that God was dead. Maybe Satan died too. Who knows? He is an interesting figure though.

Aeres_Stormcrow

February 3rd, 2005, 07:21 PM

I have a good friend thats a Satanist, and he is one of the coolest people I know. Honestly, theres a lot in the Satanic Bible that I find to be true, philosophy wise at least. In fact, Nero (my Satanist friend) would most likely consider me a Satanist as well as a Pagan. I've got that whole individuality thing down. Then again, so do many on this board who probably don't consider themselves Satanists in any way.

It,s odd, but I met Nero towards the end of my Christian period, and I never felt more comfortable around anyone than I do him. But I almost always felt in some way threatened around hardcore Christians, almost as if some inner instinct was saying 'watch out for these people, they aren't what they appear to be and will try to change you'. Funny, but the Satanist turned out to be the most logical, funniest, nicest, and most honest (even brutally honest) person I had met up to that point, and yet the Christians still seemed seedy and manipulative.

Really makes ya think.... :idea: _firedevil :clapping: :devil:

Grey

February 4th, 2005, 07:36 AM

*Shakes head* this is all rather confusing to me. The levey and ceremonialists..... when someone says "satanist" thats not what comes to mind. And quite frankly while I respect their religion, and their right to associate themselves with whatever words they find most appropriate, it doesnt make any sense to me.
Worshop of the self is not worshop of satan. Satan, a being like any other greater spirit or diety, is not really part of any single person- though you can allow them into you, or they can possibly even take you.
Satanist- Someone who worshops satan, or lucifer. Someone who is a member of a "satanic church" where they worshop one of the 4 gods therein. While they have philosophical similatarities between all the types mentioned, this is the fundamental differrance.
Satanists worshop satan, as a pagan worshops their god, a hindu theres, or a jew worshops yahweh.
I think these "non-theistic" satanists have just gotten mixed into a term that really isnt suitable for them, that doesnt aptly describe them. And thats a pity as many of them are people who would otherwise be easily accepted, for all the reasons aeres mentioned for instance, if they didnt have that stigma.
Even alot of theistic satanists would if not for the stigma of the word.... and I think thats a major point in their favor. However they are NOT "the most persecuted group of the last 2000 years". Thats like saying wicca has been persecuted for 3000 years.... just doesnt work. During the dark ages most of those persecuted where christians, not satanists. And the idea that they are taking over the world, while quaint, has yet to have any known basis. *whatever-sigh*. They are persecuted to some extent these days because the walk more openly. And *deep sarcasm* Im sorry, what do you expect- satan is the nemisis of jehovah, what do you think "the lord"s followers are going to do? Would you buddy up to your *by deffinition* worst enemy? Just in the name of political correctness? I sure wouldnt.
Satanist cabals or covens can be found if one is careful, openminded, and dilligent. I myself have attended a few rituals put on by "theists". I found that I could not agree with much of the logic they used, but I could see that if I belived it that it would be a faithful religion.

Zophael

February 4th, 2005, 07:41 AM

I have a good friend thats a Satanist, and he is one of the coolest people I know. Honestly, theres a lot in the Satanic Bible that I find to be true, philosophy wise at least. In fact, Nero (my Satanist friend) would most likely consider me a Satanist as well as a Pagan. I've got that whole individuality thing down. Then again, so do many on this board who probably don't consider themselves Satanists in any way.

Many people qualify as Satanists based on the philosophies in the Satanic Bible. In fact many of the beliefs put forth do not diametrically oppose the beliefs of most other religions. Satanism, as LaVey wrote of it, is a philosophy and not truly a religion. Therefore people of many different religions could claim to be Satanists just as people claim to be capitalists or Marxists, etc.

Aeres_Stormcrow

February 9th, 2005, 06:41 AM

They view the 'self' as the highest being because what we call 'gods' are unknowable to them, or merely aspects of order and chaos that have no real sentience (sp). From what I have gotten out of listening to most Satanists speak is that they have no view on a real deity. Its a dark force or another aspect of life for them that they choose to accept. Accepting that we all have a dark side is not unheard of, but so many people will deny to all, and themselves mostly, that they even possess a dark side in any way. I think that this facet of self-denial has the potention to be far more harmful than it at first seems. When I refused to deal with the hatred and inner pain I had built up over many years, I became extremely destructive towards myself, my parents, and even my friends to some degree. I had many mental breakdowns and psychopathic tendancies, but one day I began to realize the hurt I was causing myself and others around me, and the fact that I flat out wanted to kill the people that tormented me. The scary thing was I actually contemplated homocide a few times. I am not proud of this part of my life, but it is true nonetheless. It scared the hell out of me when I realized it, but then I told myself that I had a very dark side with quite a few 'demons' to deal with. I devised ways of dealing with the demons, looked into meditation, and eventually changed my outlook on life as well as my religion.

By coming to terms with my demons, and using what I would now consider magic, I helped turn my life around for the better. By admitting that I had a dark side, I could easily cope with it and bring it under control. I killed no one, and I learned to always look at the sky and the moon and the stars and the forests and lakes to let myself know that whatever demons I had were nothing compared to the awe of existence itself. I could stand in a grove of trees, let out my anger, and in the trees presence be held and embraced by something greater. It was like then, I knew that I had found "God".

When I told Nero about this, he said what I was doing was truly 'Satanic'. By taking this sort of responsibility, I was indulging in my own indivuality. By accepting all sides of life, of my own person, I could further myself in ways that others in self-denial could never dream of. Satanism is part responsibility, part individuality, and part indulgance. And Satan was the appointed symbol of that. Kinda made sense in a way.

Lupercus

February 10th, 2005, 01:41 PM

:veryweird I could not vote as none of the answers reflect my opinion. The closest one is
that Satanism is the worship of the Christian Devil. However, it is far more complicated than that. One thing i do know and will say with conviction is that The Craft/Wicca are two utterly separate spiritual disciplines, having little fundamental similarity.

rhinoa

February 16th, 2005, 07:12 PM

To be honest I know very little about Satanism. It was never something that interested me much like Buddhism. No particular reason, it just never appealed to me personally.

Queenorivers

February 20th, 2005, 11:20 AM

my cousin is part satanist, its not evil, pwomise

Aeres_Stormcrow

February 24th, 2005, 05:18 AM

But one thing I do want to make clear is that I do not consider myself a 'Satanist' in any way shape or form. Before I had ever even heard of the Satanic Bible I began 'indulging' into myself. I play with action figures, sexually fantasize about myself (odd but true!), cross-dress, constantly quote cartoon shows, and many other taboo practices. It was my life and I would live it how I wanted to. I still believed in the existence of deity, but that did not stop me from living in the here and now. Thats all we can really do anyway, right?

One of my Satanist friends recently called me a Satanist to my face. I felt so uncomfortable with that word. I saw no point in taking my lifestyle, one that I had lived in for years now, and slapping someone elses symbol on it. In fact thats where me and this Satanist had an argument. By using this symbolism I was compromising my individuality since it was not a symbol I myself had affinity with. I asked him why I should call myself a Satanist when my whole philosophy was by me for me and me alone. Shouldn't I call myself a "Aeresist"? Or maybe I should just call myself me. No more labels and symbols. Not for ME at least.

Note: The Key word here is me, and these thoughts and feelings are mine alone. No offense to any Satanist out there. You guys can be Satanists, I'll be an Aeresist. :yayah:

metalstar316

February 25th, 2005, 06:54 PM

BlackMagicalCat

February 26th, 2005, 12:52 AM

Everyone seems to have a different opinion about Satanists (sometimes even Satanists don't agree. :) )

How do you see/view Satanism and Satanists, what do you think they believe and so forth.
i cant vote because i dont know any satanist .I do know the devil and dont like him,he is my mortal enemy and is under my feet.I would never worship someone who couldnt love me,and wouldnt if he could. :steppy: :steppy: :steppy:

farm girl

March 3rd, 2005, 11:19 PM

I don't really "know" any Satanists, so I can not speak knowledgably enough about them to form an opinion. There are some on here that seem nice enough though, so they can't be all that bad. :cool:

the_ancient_one

March 8th, 2005, 02:51 PM

I think there is a significant difference between the acceptance of our human condition (evil tendencies) and Satanism. Worship of the evil human condition is NOT satanism, it is what it is: worship of the human condition. The Gods in charge of Chaos, Destruction and Death are not evil because they have no human condition to wrestle against. They merely play a role in the larger scheme of desecration and consecration, destruction and construction, death and rebirth. Respecting them is necessary, the same as respecting beauty and life is necessary. On the contrary, humans ARE evil since they are not gods of demi-gods and they wrestle with debasement, perversion and the human condition. It is very well known that dark entities and power despise humans. This is because humans are so perverse, they have perverted evil itself. They have desecrated what should have never been desecrated, that is, they have humanized and perverted evil. Evil should be pure and unhumanized.

Modesty

March 10th, 2005, 11:07 AM

Ninjakitten

March 14th, 2005, 05:17 PM

Satanists believe in themself. They are their own Gods. They value no one higher than themselves. I find that philosophy kind of interesting. It hurts nothing. They are simply doing what everyone else does, except everyone else refuses to admit it. It is much easier to believe in reality then a false Jehova. I have met some very intelligent Satanists, that can keep a good conversation going for hours on end. And it is no disappointment because the conversation is so intelligent.

So what do I think about Satanism? It is a belief just like any other. People have the right to it. And I am no one to judge anyone else. BB, Mod

And yet you just boasted about someoneelse's god being false. How is that not judging someone else? Everyone judges others whether we like it or not. It becomes bad when we judge others and then do the very thing we're judging (which is even what the Bible says about "judge not" BTW). Besides, perception reality is realative to what one's easily fooled senses tell them. Truth is what it is despite what an easily fooled mind wants to say about it. Not saying that Jehova=truth, but that actual reality is truth, and following the physical senses is a good way of ignoring potential for other things that are beyond senses. According to us, bird feathers don't glow in the dark. To birds that can see in the UV spectrum they do glow. Did this only become true when we humans found a way to percieve it? No.
I have met some friendly and wonderful Satanists as well. I have even befriended some. Wait, isn't that a sign of the Apocalypse? Christians and Satanists being buddies :) I see Satanism (well, LeVeyan at least) as secular humanism with spiritual components and an acknowledgement of human nature in it's purest forms. That is certainly not something to mock, condemn, or belittle, albeit it is medicine that I feel should be taken with caution and in proper doses.

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED

March 14th, 2005, 05:53 PM

I see Satanism (well, LeVeyan at least) as secular humanism with spiritual components and an acknowledgement of human nature in it's purest forms. That is certainly not something to mock, condemn, or belittle, albeit it is medicine that I feel should be taken with caution and in proper doses.
Yep, and Modesty had it right as far as I can see as an eclectic LaVeyan Satanist. Except with modesty's post I would change the part that says:
easier to believe in reality then a false Jehova

to: easier to belive in reality than what one believes to be a false Jehova.

Just because I dont belive in any deity doesn't mean that I cant respect those who do, sometimes it's hard to remember that though.

pawnman

March 15th, 2005, 07:18 AM

Rejection of morality. It's an attempt to rationalize being completely self-centered, all the time.

God

March 18th, 2005, 09:27 PM

Satan is the master of knots and knowing, satan is actually not an evil being that torments souls and causes negativity to humanity. Satan is actually a kind and caring soul with a very powerful love.

At worse, Satan is a sensitive system of energy with thoughts and emotions, caring and feeling. It is the thoughts of humankind that cause Satan to be kind or mean.

- Timara

raminda

May 1st, 2005, 03:32 AM

Satanism is primarily a form of spiritual humanism.

That option received my vote.

DracoJesi

May 2nd, 2005, 08:08 PM

i dont realy have an oppinion, nor do I know much about it but as far as I know they dont usualy go out and cause a bunch of touble or anything nor do I believe in any concept of Christianity, therefor, they dont bother me

LadyCelt

July 4th, 2005, 03:16 PM

what is humanism, and psiritual humanism?

I think "Satanism" depends on if a person belives satan exists. Soem feel its made up by Christians and/or overexagerated by Christians.

I wouldn't deal with any "satanic" practices (as I"m a Chrsitian) but I would still talk to somebody who practices it.

I also think (myeself included) people, particularly chrsitians like me, probably ahve a false and bad perception of satanism and what it is too.

Karma Chameleon

July 4th, 2005, 04:42 PM

Everyone seems to have a different opinion about Satanists (sometimes even Satanists don't agree. :) )

How do you see/view Satanism and Satanists, what do you think they believe and so forth.

My opinion of Satanists? I like them... I say that because I used to be one. :hehehehe:

Anyways, there are different types of Satanists. You have the Atheistic Satanists, such as the ones who believe like the Church of Satan who don't believe in any supernatural stuff.

You have the "Theistic Satanists" which do believe in Satan as a god, some of them see Satan in a different light than the Christians view him, usaully based on older pre-Christian versions... but there are those who are just rebelling against Christianity and their version is based on Christianity's and Hollywood's version of Satan.

Here's some interesting websites I've found on Satanism..

http://www.satanism101.com/ (http://www.satanism101.com/)
http://www.jashan.net/sites/ascendancy/ (http://www.jashan.net/sites/ascendancy/)
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/)

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED

July 4th, 2005, 11:49 PM

My opinion of Satanists? I like them... I say that because I used to be one. :hehehehe:

Anyways, there are different types of Satanists. You have the Atheistic Satanists, such as the ones who believe like the Church of Satan who don't believe in any supernatural stuff.

You have the "Theistic Satanists" which do believe in Satan as a god, some of them see Satan in a different light than the Christians view him, usaully based on older pre-Christian versions... but there are those who are just rebelling against Christianity and their version is based on Christianity's and Hollywood's version of Satan.

Here's some interesting websites I've found on Satanism..

http://www.satanism101.com/ (http://www.satanism101.com/)
http://www.jashan.net/sites/ascendancy/ (http://www.jashan.net/sites/ascendancy/)
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/)

Which kind did you used to be? I used to be a LaVeyan Satanist (Church of Satan) :smile:

Karma Chameleon

July 4th, 2005, 11:52 PM

Which kind did you used to be? I used to be a LaVeyan Satanist (Church of Satan) :smile:

The same kind as you were. :smoke:

Kailen

July 5th, 2005, 11:53 AM

It's sad that there are so many misconceptions on satanism. Though, the name does attract it. What I wonder though is, which came first, christianity or satanism. Paganism came before christianity and satanism is a form of paganism. So, could christians have named the devil "satan" to cast a bad light on pagan satanists? It wouldn't be so different than them using things to cast a bad light on other pagans, or to detract from pagan festivals etc...

For any that wish to feel offended, please note, it was a thought/question running through my mind. I am not saying that is how it is.

Personally I voted that satanism is the worship and acceptance of human nature and nature itself.

Cassie

July 5th, 2005, 11:55 AM

The reverse christian type that grab all the headlines are just sickos.
I have several friends who are or were Leveyan's (CoS). There is not much in the 9 Satanic principles of the CoS that I would disagree with much, except I feel it is too much worded as a response to Christianity, and could lead some people to be over selfish (although I don't think it was intended to be taken that way).

LadyCelt

July 5th, 2005, 01:16 PM

is/was there a pagan belief or charctat that was the "devil?"

I think Satan was also a Zoroastrian thing, the demon ruler of the grimm underworld I think the name was even Shaitan.

I'd like ot have original texts of the Bible (bout would probably also have to speak that language.) to see what was really written. Taht's the only way to know for sure.

If there were 10 principles that would be very close to trying to rebuke the 10 commandmnets in my opinoin.

Also, is Baphomet (I think maybe also called the horned god) Satan or is that a misconception I have and are there things that use Baphomet in the center of a pentagram?

I could be guilty of heresy too with this so I'd like help to understand. thanks :)

stephy-sama

July 5th, 2005, 04:03 PM

I don't believe in Satan, therefore to me it's just like any other religion that I'm not part of. In other words: it's legitimate in my eyes. They have the freedom to worship whatever they want. I'll never discriminate against them and I'll accept their beliefs as long as it doesn't bring physical harm to anyone.

I've only met two satanists and both were totally awesome people. I voted for the "spiritiual humanism" option because that seems to be what I think of when I think of these people.

Imbrium

July 6th, 2005, 02:31 PM

I have absolutely no problem with satanism as it stands, and while I've run into one or two of the "literal" satanist types, I've found it to be relatively rare. Otherwise, I'm really not sure how to vote. It looks like I'm going to have to think about it for awhile, ...

After all, I'm not a satanist and I know only small bits and pieces about their spiritual views, which seem as varied as everyone elses.

_firedevil ...*goes to meditate on what satanism means to me...*

~DarkDolphyn~

July 11th, 2005, 03:31 AM

I will be the first to admit that I know next to nothing about it as a religion, because it just never appealed to me enough to seek information about it as I genuinely do not believe in the existance of Satan as a diety. I don't mean to offend anyone who happens to be a Satanist here, just answering truthfully.

KNSimmons

July 11th, 2005, 04:02 AM

I was actually rather surprised to find out that I agree with probably 95% of their doctrine and beliefs. I don’t think they are bad people necessarily, but I doubt if I’d ever be able to trust a Satanist.

The two things I do have issues with are:

1) their genetic supremacist “culling” practices, which is used as a justification for condoning human sacrifice.

2) their lack of a unifying code of honor which promotes loyalty between members. Note I’m hot saying they lack being honorable. Just that the have no code between each other. Without this it’s impossible to establish allies, so you constantly have to watch for your own fellow Satanist who may decide it’s to their benefit to backstab you. Basically… there is no loyalty.

fangedeshana

July 11th, 2005, 04:29 AM

I belive there are several types of Satanist. I voted, Satanism is the worship and acceptance of human nature and nature itself. The first Satanist I met followed this, the second told he didn't worship satan, but merely used him as someone to admire - kind a father figure he looked up and aspire to be like. He said, "Satan encouraged him to decide what he wants, and to get it at whatever means he saw fit.", I didn't want to ask him was "means" he thought were nessisary, but I'm aware he didnt practice witchcraft, or magic though he played about with physic phenomena as a hobby.

Golliath

July 12th, 2005, 07:30 PM

Would you really think someone walking around with angel wings and a hailo is an angel?

Would you think that someone walking around with demon wings and horns is a demon?

80% of people will answer yes to both.

Sad fact but true.

I view satanists as people non the less.
Theres bad people and goodf people no matter what you studdy/ practice/ believe

DancingCrow3

July 13th, 2005, 01:44 PM

Everyone seems to have a different opinion about Satanists (sometimes even Satanists don't agree. :) )

How do you see/view Satanism and Satanists, what do you think they believe and so forth.

I was influenced to a great extent by Anton Szandor LaVey. I am not a Satanist, mind you, though I have nothing against them per se', but I do appreciate LaVey's philosophy to a huge extent. Particularly, I appreciate his teaching that hedonism is a good thing. We are physical beings with sensual appetites, after all, and rather than downplay or try to do away with physical longings, and concentrating on the spiritual, it seems to me that this is as fallacous as a person who is totally hedonistic, with no outlook toward spiritual matters. I believe you should strive to achieve a kind of balance between the two, as much as that is possible. I thank LaVey for that influence, if nothing else. I also appreciate his showmanship. Everytime I think aobut him, I am reminded of how he invoked the Element of Air ("Howl, Ye Winds"). He was a grea thinker, and you could appreciate his mind even when you didn't necessarrily agree with him, even if you never agreed with him, in fact.

On the other hand, I think a lot of Satanists are probably the rebellious teenager show-off types, who are more into the cool shtick of "hey, lookey at me I'm a devil worshpper, what'cha think of that?" While some of the I wouldn't want to run into all alone in the dark of night. I believe there probably are some who practice dark magic, and wouldn't be above practising human sacrifice if they thought they could get away with it. And I'm sure there's a lot of illicit drug use and sexual abuse that goes on. Then again, when you get right down to it, most of the things that Satanists do that aren't right, you will find that an even greater percentage of Christians and Muslims do as bad or worse.

The worse thing that I know for a fact about them, as oppossed to rumor and innuendo, is that they come across at times as uncaring and harsh towards outsiders who are in need. Plus, there seems to be the prospect that The Church Of Satan,at least, may be more a money making busness entity than a serious religion. But this is a charge by a rival cult-The Temple Of Set-that I would not hasten to take at face value.

Bottom line-I respect them, so long as they respect me.

shadowkiss

July 13th, 2005, 02:37 PM

i dont really have an opinion about them at all. its not something im drawn to - obviously =p but its not something i judge either. i cant really judge anyone on their chosen paths;
im done with religion - and all deceptive surfaces and titles that can come with it. people are defined by their actions - not titles.

DianaStormDancer

July 29th, 2005, 01:38 PM

to each his own

Kaija

July 29th, 2005, 02:15 PM

I voted humanism.. but.. *shrug* I've met quite a few, and they were very diverse. The majority were very spiritual, and had some very Pagan views.. But, it depends on the specific people.. just like with everything else. I've met Satanists that I could have serious conversations with and Pagans whom I couldn't stand to be in the same room with.. it's all on an individual basis.

David19

July 29th, 2005, 02:27 PM

I voted for spritual humanism but i think each satanist has individual views on who what satan really is so it is also an individual religion. I'm not a satanist but i do feel he exists, probably not as the traditional evil deity but a deity none the less. I sometimes go around to satanist sites because while i was looking for a religion, some of it looked interesting, one site i completely disagree with but its still an interesting religion.

I also think that if you say satan doesn't exist then you're denying the spritual experiences of satanists and i think that sounds arrogant.

But anyway, like i said i'm not a satanist but i do feel he exists and that satanists have every right to worship him, like pagans have every right to worship their own gods, christians/muslims/Jews have a right to worship Yahweh, and whoever else they choose such as Lilith (who i think i'm gonna look into some more) and satanism is not reverse christianity since some sites i've seen like Diane Vera's hardly have anything to do with Christianity. Anyway thats what i think :)

Covy

July 29th, 2005, 09:14 PM

Is there a site like witchvox for Satanists?

David19

August 15th, 2005, 02:09 PM

I'm not sure but there's a site that's run by someone called Diane Vera and i think that is a bit kinda like witchvox but smaller, i think but i'm not sure about others, there may be so maybe any satanists could provide more information.

Darkdale

August 15th, 2005, 02:13 PM

Is there a site like witchvox for Satanists?

No. Not that I know of.

Karma Chameleon

August 15th, 2005, 07:03 PM

Is there a site like witchvox for Satanists?

There used to be, but the site went down a few years ago I think.

Ninjakitten

August 15th, 2005, 11:14 PM

There used to be, but the site went down a few years ago I think.

Went down where? :hehehehe: Sorry. Couldn't resist. The temptation was too great!

SalemWitchChild

August 15th, 2005, 11:17 PM

Everyone seems to have a different opinion about Satanists (sometimes even Satanists don't agree. :) )

How do you see/view Satanism and Satanists, what do you think they believe and so forth.

I know several that I have become friends with. Most I've met simply believe in caring for the self over others. (Ie they wouldn't be good healers) Of course like many pagan beliefs everything changes from person to person. Their are many traditions within Satanism so trying to label all of them as one thing is impossible.

teh_fae

August 16th, 2005, 02:54 AM

I have never met a Satanist, but I have read about their beliefs. They're people like everyone else who have their own beliefs, nothing more to it. They're not horrible or anything of that nature, they are their own true selves and should be accepted.

WhyAngelsFall

August 16th, 2005, 05:28 PM

There are some people who do legitimately use Satanism as a platform of spiritual humanism, as well as the acceptance of human nature, and all it entails, positive and negative. Using “Negative” traits to further the self, such as using one’s greed to gain wealth.

The moral code, unless I’m mistaken, is “Do as thou will shall be the whole of the law.” Which I don’t particularly agree with, since one of the main reasons for society to embrace religion is because it sets a set of ethics, morals, and taboos. That being said, to each their own, and you could say that there are many business people I have met that could then be considered Satanists – They have no moral qualms about destroying things that would inhibit their search for the all mighty dollar.

But then there is the other question, one that much soul searching must be done for: Why use the word “Satanism?” Is it for the same reason as the word “Witch”?, or because that is what you have learned it as, or is it for some other reason entirely?

While I have found some Satanists that I have respected and liked, there have been others that have clung to the word like others that have clung to the word Pagan: The peeing contest reason:

I live in the world of the mentally ill. You see, there is this thing going on in the world of the budding Pagans... and those of us who do not believe have started referring to it as "The Biggest Dragon in the World Peeing Contest." MOST don't believe that they are actual dragons.... in this life. In past lives however....

Platinum dragons. The biggest platinum dragon in the whole world. Bigger then houses. Bigger then cities. They are the reincarnation of the biggest dragon in the whoooooooole world.

But not only do they believe that that they are/were the biggest dragon in the whole world, but that they are the reincarnation of a platinum dragon. The biggest platinum dragon in the whole world.

…Wee…

When they see pictures of dragons online they don't say "Wow, that's cool" they say, "Who was that that they drew a picture of? Do I know them?"

People think I make these stories up. I assure you, I do not. This is a recreation of an actual conversation.. sadly...

Biggest Dragon Number One: "I'm the biggest dragon in the whole world."

Biggest Dragon Number Two: "No, I am! I have outlasted worlds... existences... I have seen the rise and fall of God himself!"

Biggest Dragon Number One: "Lies!! I am the biggest platinum dragon in the whole world! I was a Vampire emperor for one thousand years!!! I saw the birth of Ra!"

Non Biggest Dragon: "Well, why don't we just take it out and measure."

Estsanatlehi

August 21st, 2005, 05:44 PM

I personally don't like a lot of Satanism because it often tends to house a lot more of the human traits of murder, and things that I don't support.

The Oracle

September 6th, 2005, 08:12 PM

Someone very close to me is Wiccan and she (jokingly) calls me a Satanist from time to time. All my life I've been Aethiest, my only belief of any sort is a belief in Science. I've always strived to understand my innerself and to understand human kinda as a whole, and through that understanding I've often been accused of being a master manipulator, well, it was true, and still is to an extent, but these days I dont waste the energy manipulating people, they have nothing I need therefore there's no need to manipulate them.

Still, after reading a post on how people find "their" path, and thinking about being described as a satanist, I thought I would do just a little digging, and without ever having realised it my way of life is almost a complete reflection of LeVayan Satanism:

The nine Satanic statements
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

The eleven Satanic rules of the Earth
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Ofcourse presonaly I would swap the word "Satan" for the word "Life", and while not everything above applies to me, the great majority does.

If I am to be a Satanist, to me it represents knowledge and wisom, and understanding of the world you live it and the people that inhabit it, and to understand what motivates people you must have empathy. Knowledge and wisdom lead to understanding and acceptance, somthing that is lacking in the world today.

Still, in the end I'd rather be just plain Aethiest, having people think they can simply pidgeon hole me is unacceptable because I'm more than a set of guidlines.

One thing about the poll and some posts thereafter though, it does realy show that even on a Pagan forum, many people have opinions without knowledge of the subject they are voting on, somehow I find that very sad.

Cacaoatl

September 7th, 2005, 03:18 AM

I think it depends on who you ask. The members of the Church of Satan founded by Anton LeVey in the 1960s seem to be flashy hedonists who don't actually believe in Satan as a deity or entity of any sort. Some Theistic Satanists actually worship Satan as a deity and in fact Satan is the Hebrew name for the Egyptian God Set. Some Christian extremists consider all non-Christian paths Satanic and see Satanic conpiracies everywhere.

PoisonIvy

September 7th, 2005, 09:38 AM

I've never really researched Satanism so I guess I don't have any opinion. If that's watcha believe then......have at it!

Zhr Morgana

September 7th, 2005, 01:26 PM

Also, having a poll that list all the misconceptions of Satanism, and asking someone to pick one, is a little offensive to me. It's like if I had a witchcraft poll and listed:

Witchcraft is a rejection of Christianity.
They kill babies
Witches cast hexes on people.
etc....

(no offense to those who practice witchcraft, this is merely an example)
Actually I think that a witchcraft poll like that should be created at a Xtian or another faith website and see how people vote. I imagine the responses would be very interesting.

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED

September 9th, 2005, 12:50 AM

Actually I think that a witchcraft poll like that should be created at a Xtian or another faith website and see how people vote. I imagine the responses would be very interesting.

Very interesting idea!

Darque

September 9th, 2005, 10:24 PM

My Husband is a satanist, for him it is simply about what aligns with the way he thinks and see's the world around him. Having said that he is a beautiful individual who is kind and genuine. Like anything else it is the right of the individual to decide what is best for them. Anyone who can accept, recognise and be proud of who they are rather than trying to conform to something else, is in my opinion is well ahead of the game than others who refuse to accept themselves and try to change what they really are. This goes not only for the pagan community but any community in general, it is such a shame that we are pressured to become something we are truely not . Having said that, there is a difference between someone who is searching and trying to experience different things to someone who is merely doing it because they want to "fit" or prove something.

The Oracle

September 9th, 2005, 10:40 PM

souds like me and your hubby must be twins, it's exactly the same for me. Not a Scorpio aswell by any chance is he? lol

Well said though, thats exactly what it's about.

Darque

September 9th, 2005, 10:50 PM

souds like me and your hubby must be twins, it's exactly the same for me. Not a Scorpio aswell by any chance is he? lol

Well said though, thats exactly what it's about.

LOL, No an Aries, hell of a nice guy most of the time though.....So that must mean you are too :spinnysmi

And TY

Grey

September 10th, 2005, 12:29 AM

But why then do you call yourselves SATANists if there is no satan in your practices? I just dont understand.

Anyanka

September 10th, 2005, 12:29 AM

AdNoctum

September 10th, 2005, 03:07 AM

I have not a clue about Satanism and the practice of it but I voted for Satanism is the worship of dark gods and it praises all things evil because that's what I always believed it was. When I was in high school, I knew someone who practiced this and although he was a nice guy, he did have a negative view on the world and he also worshipped the "dark gods". I know not all people who follow this are "evil" but it's just what I was led to believe.

Well, many Satanists are atheists. So gods don't always factor into the equation.

I find that most Satanists have a better view of the world than many Christians do. Satanists don't believe that the world is inherently evil or misleading, and tainted with sin like many Christian denominations teach. In my experience, most Satanists just accept the world as it is, good and bad.

The Oracle

September 10th, 2005, 09:41 AM

To me, there is no good or evil, there's nothing thats moraly right or wrong, these are restrictions we put on ourselves, WE decide. It's nature vs nurture. In most people nurture holds the upper hand, in my life nature holds the upper hand and the only good/evil/moral struggles in my life are those I impose on myself. Whilst I might see somthing as moraly incorrect it's wrong of me to impose my moral values on others, the same goes for good and evil, simply because I thik of somthing as being an evil act doesn't mean that they see it that way, society tries to put us all in a little enclosed space where they set the boudiries, but I prefere to look deeper than that and to understand the reasons and motivations behind the actions of others.

Also have to say that I dont even believe in Good and Evil, I just use the words because I know most people need those words, but in reality there's no such thing. I believe that if you see good and evil in the world, then you have a lack of understnding of the world, although I do accept that people fit good/evil in with their religous beliefs, but since I have no religion I'm not restricted that way.

LOL Thanks Darque, I believe I am, atleast, I'm always fair a have a great deal of empathy towards others :)

Darque

September 11th, 2005, 12:09 AM

Well, many Satanists are atheists. So gods don't always factor into the equation.

I find that most Satanists have a better view of the world than many Christians do. Satanists don't believe that the world is inherently evil or misleading, and tainted with sin like many Christian denominations teach. In my experience, most Satanists just accept the world as it is, good and bad.

I think that is a fair quote. When I asked my husband about the poll at the beginning of this thread, which one he would consider to be true, he said all of the above. I can see how he would come to this conclusion, all of those things have the term satanist attached to them. The one thing I really like about these people is that they are far more open minded and they use their intelligence to view something from every possible aspect before they make a decision about it ( the ones that are not on stage anyway). I also understand how Satanism and Christianity are seen as the "almighty god and the devil". It is an anology for each of them being on the opposing end of the realm of thought and the action of rational.

Darque

September 11th, 2005, 12:23 AM

But why then do you call yourselves SATANists if there is no satan in your practices? I just dont understand.

The term Satanist has become a generic term.

It was a term coined by Anton LeVay when he formed the Church Of Satan, unfortunately the whole point of the excercise was misunderstood by the media, the genaral public, and mostly the Christain Church. Anton Levay had a wonderful sense of humour, he called it Satanism to prove a point, that his belief structure was anti-christain. A challenge if you like to the christain way of thinking, unfortunately few have bothered to research it properly and have placed a stereotype on the word. Just because someone has labelled something one way, should not mean that the ignorance of others should dictate what that actually means without first finding out for themselves. I guess that was the punch line for LeVay. :bouncysmi

The High Queen of Faerie

September 26th, 2005, 04:57 PM

I don't hold any prejudices. I don't see anything wrong with Satanism; if that path works for some people, that's cool. I don't have a problem with it. To each their own.

PropheticMonkey

September 26th, 2005, 05:04 PM

I think that Satinists dont want to create a new age of chaos and disorder on Earth. They are just accepting of the human impulses that make us a living mortal being. The ability to indulge in ourselves and in material things is something that other creatures dont have. The Satainists recognize and respect this.

Of course there probably are some Satanists who really do want to end everything, but I believe thats a small minority of the Satanist population

Grey

September 27th, 2005, 01:49 PM

The term Satanist has become a generic term.

It was a term coined by Anton LeVay when he formed the Church Of Satan, unfortunately the whole point of the excercise was misunderstood by the media, the genaral public, and mostly the Christain Church. Anton Levay had a wonderful sense of humour, he called it Satanism to prove a point, that his belief structure was anti-christain. A challenge if you like to the christain way of thinking, unfortunately few have bothered to research it properly and have placed a stereotype on the word. Just because someone has labelled something one way, should not mean that the ignorance of others should dictate what that actually means without first finding out for themselves. I guess that was the punch line for LeVay. :bouncysmi

*shakes head* I find it a bit rude. In all seriousness if I founded a religion and called it Nazism because it was supposed to be anti-jew or anti-gay or both then I dont see how I could expect anyone to not link it in their minds with the pre WWII Nazis of germany. Im sorry but it makes no sense to create something new and then name it after something old if there is no connection.

Im not saying Levay worshipped satan, or that his followers do, butwhen you start talking about satanists thats what Ill think of. I have done a bit of research into Levays theology, though not enough to say that I know all the concepts...

For thousands of years Satanism has been ment as a word to describe those who worshipped the fallen angel lucifer. Its been misdirected at other religions before but the idea of bringing it on yourself seems wrong.

But then again so does what happend to the word "thong" in the past couple decades.

Doodlebug

September 29th, 2005, 04:46 AM

I best not state my opinion on Satanists. :nyah:

Cyzarine

November 11th, 2005, 09:01 PM

True Satanism = the worship and acceptance of human nature and nature itself.

Astara Seague

November 14th, 2005, 06:10 PM

I dont really know enough about them to say anything all I have ever heard has been bad.. but there has to be good and bad in all things, I guess they have their place, but I do not choose to go there.

brymble

November 14th, 2005, 06:21 PM

Im sorry but it makes no sense to create something new and then name it after something old if there is no connection.

what, you mean like "witchcraft", "druidry", and "paganism"? whoops, well would ya look at that, that shoe fits on the other foot, too.

every satanist i've ever met has had very nice hair. except for the ones that were bald. that's really all i can say about them.

Whitewolf

November 15th, 2005, 07:57 AM

I have absolutely no problem with them. They are people just like everyone else. Everyone has their own path.

-Jessica [aka Whitewolf]

Acid09

November 15th, 2005, 07:18 PM

Satanism doesn't worship anything. Its a mockery of christian morals. This whole "black mass" setting is meant to afferm rejection of religion. Since christianity is the biggest its most easily identifed with. Satanist are about praising free will and egoism, not worship. "Do what thou wilt and that is the whole of the law" I believe this was said by Aleister Crowely. I don't think he was a satanist persay but he did believe and practice many things mordern satanists can identify with. Satan, Lucifer and all other forms of the devil represent the out cast from the flock of sheep. The one who choose to be different and reject the established dogma. Has nothing to do with devil worship or human sacrifice. Many do believe in magick in the occult. That is to say they believe they can harness and utilize subtle energies to manifest changes in their lives. They don't believe in karma. If somebody wrongs you they believe you should get revenge because there is no garuntee that justice will be delivered in any other way. Satanist are also what can be considered nihilism. Your here to live now tommarow you die so do what you desire because if you don't now you may never get a chance. There is no god or devil or good or evil or an after life Nihilism rejects the estblished values of society as false.

Most satanists I've ever meet we rebellious teeny boppers who knew more about buffy the vampire slayer than the left hand path. They were little more than christians in denial who would eventually come to reconsilliation with their christian beliefs in a post-pubesant point in their life. But the real satanists I've meet are not only intelligent they are nothing like mass media portrays them. I do think the left hand path in its many forms is a valid system of thought and "spiritua" or super-natural attainment.

EternalMaiden

November 21st, 2005, 01:25 PM

I haven't read many replies in this thread yet, I will when I have some more time later this afternoon. So if I repeat what someone else has said, I apologize in advance.

I see Satanism as a rejection or morality. I think it begins in a cool place, with reverence for power and appreciation of chaos and how neccessary it seems to be in our lives. The goal is the same, to be happy, but the ways they do it aren't for me.
I wont smite you, because you'll smite me right back.
And it's just a continuance of it....

So to me, it's a very innocent rejection of morals. And they suffer for it, so I am not judging it further.

teishabee

November 21st, 2005, 02:27 PM

Would deoend on which section I was talking about , like oagainsin satanism is more a umbrella term.

alex_chosen77

November 28th, 2005, 04:42 AM

Lucifer wants to get as many souls as he can to fight God. Satanists in a cult are like brothers, they never fight or kill each other, they are peaceful and they only worship satan or other dark gods. That is good and everything but the problem is that wars have lost their intensity and the planet is getting crowded. Wars are part of nature....people are born, they live then they die. War is a way of keeping that delicate balance, but the problem is that Lucifer doesn't want his followers to die he wants them to live, so there has been to much peace around lately, i mean in the last couple thousand years. Death is part of nature just like life is, and peace is a part of nature just like war is. You can't have one without the other. It may sound cruel but if you think about it it's perfectly logical. Lucifer's only sin is that he broke that balance and stopped the slaughtering of ancient times. Those were good in every way, they stimulated commerce, technology, prosperity, empire growth, and kept only the strongest and the healthiest men alive. Nothing wrong with that, don't you agree?

Acid09

December 1st, 2005, 04:37 PM

Dude...You can believe what like but lets try to keep Satanism seperated from Luciferanism.

Lucifer and Satan are too different entities. They were made to personify the same Devil by the Church.

Satan means adversary. It orginates from the ancient hebrew word "Sheitan" (that could be miss spelled). This Hebrew Satan was Gods greatest angel. I think maybe even above Michael, but I could be wrong. he was the tempter of humanity to test their faith. The Christian Church Adopted this figure and around 800 AD the first Brimestone and hell fire sermons were held. These featured satan as the leader of hell and creator of all evil. Satan took on pagan characteristics ie a dragon, pan like figure, or snake. He represented all the was considered heresy -Not of the Church dogma. This was part of a psychological tactic to put the fear of god into people and make them subversive to the Church. Modern Satanist adopted the church satan as a mockery of established values that they believe contradict human nature. They view satan as the embodiment of human nature -all desires and cravings.

People who are satanist do not worship any diety. They aspire to be in satan's likeness according to how they view him and not the Church.
Luciferians are not Satanist.

Lucifer is a Roman God of Venus or the morning star (before the goddess venus). His name means "light-bringer or barer". In this time he had no connection to evil. In fact he was quite the opposite. The morning star represented the the persuit of Light (illumination), not darkness. It was the Church who later gave the ruller of hell an other face to be called by. Also 'Divine Comedy' by Alighieri Dante (1265-1321) and 'Paradise Lost' By John Milton (1608-1675) are examples of books that were pubilshed givening satan the name Lucifer.

Modern Luciferians either worship Lucifer or aspire to be illuminated like lucifer. There is a big difference between the two philosophies of satanism and Luciferianism. Luciferians, like satanists, don't believe in God or the devil or even the church's idea of heaven or hell. Lucifer to Luciferians is not the embodiment of a