Defense against the dark arts class?

[Hazel BlueMoon]

Could someone please teach a "Defense Against the Dark Arts class"?
Blessed Be.

[teishabee]

Psychic Abilities? I think this would be more psi based sheilding.

[Sequoia]

Uhh... or maybe you'd like me to go give Prof. Lupin a ring?

This is Paganism, not Harry Potter. No such thing as "Dark Arts", therefore no silly class of "Defense Against the Dark Arts."

I'd reccomend enrolling in Hogwarts if you're interested in that.

[Darakash]

Uhh... or maybe you'd like me to go give Prof. Lupin a ring?

This is Paganism, not Harry Potter. No such thing as "Dark Arts", therefore no silly class of "Defense Against the Dark Arts."

I'd reccomend enrolling in Hogwarts if you're interested in that.

I'll admit that when I first saw the post, I thought "Don't think professor Snape is available....." but I think your response was a little harsh. I mean, it seems that Hazel is looking for ways to defend herself agains cursing/hexing type magick? I would guess....and that does exist for many pagans, not just in hogwarts.

[teishabee]

This is paganism? Nope its the COT and I think your lacking one thing that this forum and the rest of the boards has as a rule...respect.

[Penthesilea]

Uhh... or maybe you'd like me to go give Prof. Lupin a ring?

This is Paganism, not Harry Potter. No such thing as "Dark Arts", therefore no silly class of "Defense Against the Dark Arts."

I'd reccomend enrolling in Hogwarts if you're interested in that. Perhaps what she meant was a class in protection magick or something on similar lines? And why not call it "Defense Against the Dark Arts"? aside from copyright considerations? Just because Harry Potter is fiction and we are supposed to be "serious" doesn't mean we can't have some fun. (Personally, I'd LOVE having Prof. Lupin as a teacher! At least, as long as he remembered to take his potion!)

[Gwenhwyfar]

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I'll admit that when I first saw the post, I thought "Don't think professor Snape is available....." but I think your response was a little harsh. I mean, it seems that Hazel is looking for ways to defend herself agains cursing/hexing type magick? I would guess....and that does exist for many pagans, not just in hogwarts.
exactly what I was going to say.

[Teresa]

I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for a class like that. Perhaps something along the lines of in depth shielding and grounding and maybe include things like house blessings and the like. Things to do if You think someone is trying to hurt ,hex,curse You etc type of class.Include things like how to make talismans and protection amulets.Discuss smudging and related things etc etc. All be it this is not HARRY POTTER, there are mean spirited people out there who seek to do harm to others thru magic and the like just like there are good people. I was a little shocked by the snide remark that was posted several posts above.

[monk3y]

I for one would be interested in this class .. I think the idea is fantastic to tell the truth, good request!

[Rowan Darkmoon]

I for one would be interested in this class .. I think the idea is fantastic to tell the truth, good request!

I second that. There are many who have been affected by the "Dark Arts" because there are people who use that type of magic. You don't have to be pagan to practice witchcraft.

Instead of having people running around willy nilly because we like to pretend that that type of stuff doesn't exist, I think it would be great to teach people how to defend themselves properly. It does exist, I've dealt with it myself. It would have been nice to have had some preparation.

[SilverClaw]

Instead of having people running around willy nilly because we like to pretend that that type of stuff doesn't exist, I think it would be great to teach people how to defend themselves properly. It does exist, I've dealt with it myself. It would have been nice to have had some preparation.
Good Point !

[PeleRising]

Personally I think a class like this would be a great idea.


I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for a class like that. Perhaps something along the lines of in depth shielding and grounding and maybe include things like house blessings and the like. Things to do if You think someone is trying to hurt ,hex,curse You etc type of class.Include things like how to make talismans and protection amulets.Discuss smudging and related things etc etc. All be it this is not HARRY POTTER, there are mean spirited people out there who seek to do harm to others thru magic and the like just like there are good people. I was a little shocked by the snide remark that was posted several posts above.

Great ideas!

[Bix]

I think it would be a good idea as well.

[teishabee]

hehe now all we need a teacher. :smile:

[Mistress_Ravenshadow]

Uhh... or maybe you'd like me to go give Prof. Lupin a ring?

This is Paganism, not Harry Potter. No such thing as "Dark Arts", therefore no silly class of "Defense Against the Dark Arts."

I'd reccomend enrolling in Hogwarts if you're interested in that.

geeze who pee'd in your cerial this morning? that was uncalled for.. not everyone states things in the absolute perfect manner but i think everyone knows what was being refered to here..
I think a class on how to shield ones self would be very good and not just for the beginners but for everyone.. better to be prepared and never have to use it if you ask me

[DragonWhispers]

I also would love a class like this. I for one have been affected by people taking energy from me and what not. I can do a basic shield but I would love to learn more in depth ways to protect myself.

[misschief]

Could someone please teach a "Defense Against the Dark Arts class"?
Blessed Be.uh.. you guys are gonna do what your gonna do, but teaching something like that to a bunch of people you don't know.... it's REALLY not a good idea.

[~Elise~]

I'll be happy to teach something like this --IF we can change the name, please. Not that I don't see the humor. And providing people want me as a teacher.

Elise

[Dawa Lhamo]

If you want to teach it, Elise, I'll take it. I mean, most of the protection and house-cleansing and stuff like that that I've had to do has been spur-of-the-moment, but I'd love to take a class on effective defense. ^_^ I mean, one can only go around thinking "nothing can hurt me" for so long... being adequately prepared is essential, IMO... (That was a disjointed bunch of sentences, but basically it meant: "I'm game.")

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

ETA: And you can change the name if you want, though I still think it's fun. ^_^ :broomride

[WandererInGray]

Uhh... or maybe you'd like me to go give Prof. Lupin a ring?

This is Paganism, not Harry Potter. No such thing as "Dark Arts", therefore no silly class of "Defense Against the Dark Arts."

I'd reccomend enrolling in Hogwarts if you're interested in that.
Well said, Sequoia.

:rolleyes: Sheesh, we spend an awful lot of time trying to convince the rest of the world we're not wackos.

Harry Potter is fiction folks. I don't have a problem with teaching a class on protection and whatnot. I do have a problem with deliberately feeding the stereotype that witchcraft/Paganism/what have you is like a well-written modern fairy tale.

[~Elise~]

How about Personal Protection Magic instead? I can live with that...how about the rest of you? Any other ideas on what you want to call it?

Elise

[Sequoia]

Hey, if folks feel they have the potential to be psychicly attacked or something, it sure doesn't bother me if they want to learn sheilding or whatnot.

Just don't mind me if I snicker when the instructor says "Please have your wands ready, class! Today we're studying how to defend ourselves against Boggarts. Now, I'll assume you all own Standard Book of Spells, Grade 3. Please turn to page 6, and..."

:hehehehe: Wow, I can't believe like ten people hopped on defending calling a "serious" paganism class, "Defense Against the Dark Arts." What, are you people going to organize the DA, too?

And if you ever figure out how to make your wand emit sparks, actually tangibly levitate objects, or otherwise find a way to blatently alert "the muggles" to "the wizarding world", I'd really like to see it.


(No offense inteded to you, Elise. ;) I know you aren't a crackerjack.)

[~Elise~]

Thanks for that, Sequoia. I try not to be a crackerjack.

Elise

[~Elise~]

oh, I promise...NO wand waving will ever be involved.

Elise

[SilverClaw]

Regardless of what the class is called it is a class I would be itnerested in.

[teishabee]

Hey, if folks feel they have the potential to be psychicly attacked or something, it sure doesn't bother me if they want to learn sheilding or whatnot.

Just don't mind me if I snicker when the instructor says "Please have your wands ready, class! Today we're studying how to defend ourselves against Boggarts. Now, I'll assume you all own Standard Book of Spells, Grade 3. Please turn to page 6, and..."

:hehehehe: Wow, I can't believe like ten people hopped on defending calling a "serious" paganism class, "Defense Against the Dark Arts." What, are you people going to organize the DA, too?

And if you ever figure out how to make your wand emit sparks, actually tangibly levitate objects, or otherwise find a way to blatently alert "the muggles" to "the wizarding world", I'd really like to see it.


(No offense inteded to you, Elise. ;) I know you aren't a crackerjack.)
Well personally Ive never seen Harry Potter, so I wouldnt know all the key phrases. But hey all pagans like their fantasy.

[Rev R]

Hmm the "violent" side of magick eh?

You could call it something like "Principles of Magickal Combat" or more simply by what it is "Countermagick".

However in order to protect from harmful intent bound energies one has to learn how it is done. So you might want to be very selective of the people you decide to train(whoever this teacher is).

[Bethra]

Oookkkkaaayyy,,,,. Defense against the dark arts??????? Come on guys I think some people here need a reality check. My opinion of people who call themselves Pagans is dropping for just this kind of reason. Words are powerful tools remeber that when you post a thread. Try to at least sound credable rather than some kind of wacco wh can't tell the differance between reality and fantasy. Go buy a real book by someone like Dion Fortune, the Golden Dawn or Alister Crowley if you want to learn about it. How can you ever hope to defend yourself against something you cannot conseptulise. Phhft its this kind of thing that makes me rebel against the labels.

Seriously people don't even bother to try in this field unless you're ready to throw away that fluffy blanket. You can't consider this and up hold your Wiccan Reed. Go find out about Crowley before you enter into this. You've got to walk a mile in the devils shoes before you're ever going to understand how to protect yourself from him. I think Sun-tzu summed it up the best "Know your enemy".

Honestly guys you want to protect yourselves from curses, hexes or what ever clap trap you want to call it pick up a book called Psycic Self Deffence by Dion Fortune, if you even come close to understanding it I'll teach you. :eyez:

[vanRichten]

Oookkkkaaayyy,,,,. Defense against the dark arts??????? Come on guys I think some people here need a reality check. My opinion of people who call themselves Pagans is dropping for just this kind of reason. Words are powerful tools remeber that when you post a thread. Try to at least sound credable rather than some kind of wacco wh can't tell the differance between reality and fantasy. Go buy a real book by someone like Dion Fortune, the Golden Dawn or Alister Crowley if you want to learn about it. How can you ever hope to defend yourself against something you cannot conseptulise. Phhft its this kind of thing that makes me rebel against the labels.

Seriously people don't even bother to try in this field unless you're ready to throw away that fluffy blanket. You can't consider this and up hold your Wiccan Reed. Go find out about Crowley before you enter into this. You've got to walk a mile in the devils shoes before you're ever going to understand how to protect yourself from him. I think Sun-tzu summed it up the best "Know your enemy".

Honestly guys you want to protect yourselves from curses, hexes or what ever clap trap you want to call it pick up a book called Psycic Self Deffence by Dion Fortune, if you even come close to understanding it I'll teach you. :eyez:

You are oh so right Bethra. I've had people tell me they know how to defend themselves against these so called "dark arts" but have absolutly no idea what they are even attempting to defend against. Have any of you that want to defend yourself actually even SEEN a curse laid out? Have any of you ever even stood back and thought that there really ARE dark things in the world? Who here has forced back something from the "other side" that some nitwit decided to call into our world?

As Bethra stated, Know your Enemy. Understand what it means when you say dark arts. Don't watch Harry Potter and think that's how things work. Reality check here folks, Hogworts isn't real...

[Dawa Lhamo]

Oookkkkaaayyy,,,,. Defense against the dark arts??????? Come on guys I think some people here need a reality check. My opinion of people who call themselves Pagans is dropping for just this kind of reason. Words are powerful tools remeber that when you post a thread. Try to at least sound credable rather than some kind of wacco wh can't tell the differance between reality and fantasy. Go buy a real book by someone like Dion Fortune, the Golden Dawn or Alister Crowley if you want to learn about it. How can you ever hope to defend yourself against something you cannot conseptulise. Phhft its this kind of thing that makes me rebel against the labels.

Seriously people don't even bother to try in this field unless you're ready to throw away that fluffy blanket. You can't consider this and up hold your Wiccan Reed. Go find out about Crowley before you enter into this. You've got to walk a mile in the devils shoes before you're ever going to understand how to protect yourself from him. I think Sun-tzu summed it up the best "Know your enemy".

Honestly guys you want to protect yourselves from curses, hexes or what ever clap trap you want to call it pick up a book called Psycic Self Deffence by Dion Fortune, if you even come close to understanding it I'll teach you. :eyez:
Whoa! Please calm down.... While I have no idea the original poster's intent, I think this kind of response is... just wow.... "don't even bother to try in this field unless you're ready to throw away that fluffy blanket."????? Humor, last time I checked, wasn't limited to fluffy bunnies... In fact, most of the people I know who are involved in more serious magics tend to have the best senses of humor. Even in something serious like this, it's nice to have a balance.

IME, people who can't laugh at themselves, who take themselves too seriously, end up cracking because of the tension/stress... Some of the most learned people I know (religious, academic, magical, whatever...) make fun of themselves fairly regularly.

And actually, how I interpret the Wiccan Rede, I CAN consider this... All the Rede says to me is that I can do anything that doesn't harm... and there's nothing there about if something does harm... So I take it, well, I should be careful and responsible and not go all willy-nilly if it harms.... I HAVE done what could be considered "harmful" or "selfish" magic and I've felt perfectly justified in doing so and I never considered it to be outside the Rede.

"if you even come close to understanding it I'll teach you." Ummmm.... no thanks. I've got the book on my shelf, and even if I do "come close to understanding", I don't think I'd want you to teach me. I've got people in my life who could teach me and who could find "Defense against the Dark Arts" funny... I think I'll stick with them...

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

ETA: Again, I don't know the original poster's intent, but I haven't seen anyone respond who seemed to really believe that Harry Potter was real... They all seemed to take the title in a humorous sense, as did I...

[~Elise~]

I think what they are asking for is a Protection class--how to shield and protect both themselves and their homes...I don't think it is out of line at all to ask for.

And for the record...yes, I have forced something back back from the 'other side' that a nitwit brought through...several of them, in fact. And yes, I've seen a curse laid out...even done them when needed.

Will I teach that...not only no, but hell, no. BUT, I can teach them how to defend themselves and how to protect their families.

Just for the record, folks...if I teach this -- there will be no Rede involved. This is protection and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. If that isn't what you want to learn...let me know now.

But for the record...the rede does talk about protection.

I think we all need to lighten up a bit...Life is too short, folks.

Elise

[vanRichten]

I think what they are asking for is a Protection class--how to shield and protect both themselves and their homes...I don't think it is out of line at all to ask for.

And for the record...yes, I have forced something back back from the 'other side' that a nitwit brought through...several of them, in fact. And yes, I've seen a curse laid out...even done them when needed.

Will I teach that...not only no, but hell, no. BUT, I can teach them how to defend themselves and how to protect their families.

Just for the record, folks...if I teach this -- there will be no Rede involved. This is protection and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. If that isn't what you want to learn...let me know now.

Elise

Then I respect you very much. I love the attitue. I like the statement about breaking eggs. THAT is what I'm talking about.

Thank you.

[Dawa Lhamo]

Just for the record, folks...if I teach this -- there will be no Rede involved. This is protection and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. If that isn't what you want to learn...let me know now.

Elise lol, all the Rede tells me is not to go around 'breaking eggs' irresponsibly... If it's necessary, and in defense it is, then I will do what I must. ^_^ It won't be a problem.... unless you really plan on teaching us to attack people at random... but I got the impression you weren't. ;)

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[~Elise~]

Ummm...no...no random attacking will be talked about AT all.

Just want you to be able to put up a strong enough defense that they never want to mess with you again.

Elise

[DragonWhispers]

I think what they are asking for is a Protection class--how to shield and protect both themselves and their homes...I don't think it is out of line at all to ask for.

And for the record...yes, I have forced something back back from the 'other side' that a nitwit brought through...several of them, in fact. And yes, I've seen a curse laid out...even done them when needed.

Will I teach that...not only no, but hell, no. BUT, I can teach them how to defend themselves and how to protect their families.

Just for the record, folks...if I teach this -- there will be no Rede involved. This is protection and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. If that isn't what you want to learn...let me know now.

But for the record...the rede does talk about protection.

I think we all need to lighten up a bit...Life is too short, folks.

Elise

Very well put! :D I agree, I don't see how learning defense is out of line. But to those of you who aren't interested in such a class, then why even bother responding to the thread in the first place? Just let it go and let those of us who want to learn be able to.

[Semele]

(No offense inteded to you, Elise. ;) I know you aren't a crackerjack.)
This is completely uncalled for. Completely disrespectful to elude to others being crackerjacks because they don't speak the way you do or think like you.

You keep complaining about all the newbies with fluffy light attitudes yet, rather than help light their path, you litter their path with hateful comments and jabs meant to block the way. Go work on your own boulders and stop throwing them for others.

Look around you folks, this community is not all about you anymore..that goes for all of us. It is about the community as a whole and if there are people wanting classes on things that others who are skilled are willing to offer then so be it. If you dislike it then go to the other side of the site that doesn't make you want to spit forth venom at new people.

[~Elise~]

I have sent a PM to Morr about starting this class. Will keep you posted.

Elise

[Teresa]

I think what they are asking for is a Protection class--how to shield and protect both themselves and their homes...I don't think it is out of line at all to ask for.

And for the record...yes, I have forced something back back from the 'other side' that a nitwit brought through...several of them, in fact. And yes, I've seen a curse laid out...even done them when needed.

Will I teach that...not only no, but hell, no. BUT, I can teach them how to defend themselves and how to protect their families.

Just for the record, folks...if I teach this -- there will be no Rede involved. This is protection and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. If that isn't what you want to learn...let me know now.

But for the record...the rede does talk about protection.

I think we all need to lighten up a bit...Life is too short, folks.

Elise
I agree 100% ! I do not feel that the request for a class to learn something from is unreasonable.Perhaps the person did not use the best term or phrase. Also BTW Everyone that comes here is not Wiccan! Respect goes a long way. You want others to respect your beliefs and You should respect theirs. People do not have to be fluffy to wish to learn about protection ,detailed grounding and shielding techniques etc.

[Teresa]

:hehehehe: Wow, I can't believe like ten people hopped on defending calling a "serious" paganism class, "Defense Against the Dark Arts." What, are you people going to organize the DA, too?




(No offense inteded to you, Elise. ;) I know you aren't a crackerjack.)
I do not see where 10 people said call this class "Defense Agaisnt the Dark Arts" I do see people talking about setting up a type of class about protection,grounding,sheilding etc that can help some that have not traveled the path long and perhaps help some who have .Also there are people here from many different and diverse paths. Suggesting that people who do not believe what you believe in Your small narrow minded world and are not carbon copies of You are Cracker Jacks is uncalled for and distasteful. If You do not want to discuss the makings of a class perhaps refrain from posting if YOU DO NOT Have anything nice to say or something valid to contribute.Belittling others to make Yourself feel good is petty.If you see someone struggling why not help them along the way instead of pointing fingers and laughing and making jokes about it.

[Rowan Darkmoon]

Hey, if folks feel they have the potential to be psychicly attacked or something, it sure doesn't bother me if they want to learn sheilding or whatnot.

Just don't mind me if I snicker when the instructor says "Please have your wands ready, class! Today we're studying how to defend ourselves against Boggarts. Now, I'll assume you all own Standard Book of Spells, Grade 3. Please turn to page 6, and..."

:hehehehe: Wow, I can't believe like ten people hopped on defending calling a "serious" paganism class, "Defense Against the Dark Arts." What, are you people going to organize the DA, too?

And if you ever figure out how to make your wand emit sparks, actually tangibly levitate objects, or otherwise find a way to blatently alert "the muggles" to "the wizarding world", I'd really like to see it.


(No offense inteded to you, Elise. ;) I know you aren't a crackerjack.)

This is going to be ranty, I'm warning everyone now. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I seriously don't understand. :rant:

I wasn't hopping on calling the class "Defense Against the Dark Arts," I was agreeing that a class like that was needed. Considering she put the quotation marks around "Defense Against the Dark Arts class" I took it to be a euphemism.

I'm glad that Elise has offered to teach it, I was going to ask her to if she had not replied by today because I thought she would be perfect for the job.

"Have any of you that want to defend yourself actually even SEEN a curse laid out? Have any of you ever even stood back and thought that there really ARE dark things in the world? Who here has forced back something from the "other side" that some nitwit decided to call into our world?" I have done these things, I had to teach myself how to do them. Perhaps I wasn't smart enough to think to look in a book to do them, but I didn't teach myself witchcraft like that to begin with. Like I said, it would have been nice to have had some preparation.

We don't have to call it DADA people, but can we move beyond the name into the need for that type of thing? How can you rail against "fluffy bunnies" and tell people that they don't recognize balance or the "dark side" and then berate them for wanting to learn to defend themselves against the very things you think they think don't exist?

:rant:

[~Elise~]

Why thank you, RM. I'm touched you thought I'd be perfect to teach this.

I seriously don't know where I'll find the time to do it, but I do think it is a needed skill.

Elise

[Sequoia]

If people feel a need to defend themselves against it, that's fine. It's when people start thinking that they are in a children's fantasy novel that I get a bit amused.

I'm not mean. It's a fantasy novel. If you want to be taken seriously, don't ask to be taught "Defense Against the Dark Arts" which is straight from a novel about imaginary magic.

Ask about defense, ask about how to block or reflect attacks, ask about something intelligent and serious.

How rediculous is it when I get reprimanded for thinking someone Silly at referencing Harry Potter in a serious request?

Come on. Please please tell me you haven't lost THAT much touch with reality.

[Rowan Darkmoon]

If people feel a need to defend themselves against it, that's fine. It's when people start thinking that they are in a children's fantasy novel that I get a bit amused.

I'm not mean. It's a fantasy novel. If you want to be taken seriously, don't ask to be taught "Defense Against the Dark Arts" which is straight from a novel about imaginary magic.

Ask about defense, ask about how to block or reflect attacks, ask about something intelligent and serious.

How rediculous is it when I get reprimanded for thinking someone Silly at referencing Harry Potter in a serious request?

Come on. Please please tell me you haven't lost THAT much touch with reality.

See, I didn't take it as though she thought she was in a children's novel, just that that was the easiest way to describe what she was looking for, or that she was using is as a euphemism.

I think that people may have thought the name was inappropriate, but that there were better ways to indicate that inappropriateness rather than making fun of the original post. To my understanding, that was what the reprimand was for- the poking fun and calling names and not the indication that she could have gone about it in a better way.

[Phoenix Blue]

If people feel a need to defend themselves against it, that's fine. It's when people start thinking that they are in a children's fantasy novel that I get a bit amused.

I'm not mean. It's a fantasy novel. If you want to be taken seriously, don't ask to be taught "Defense Against the Dark Arts" which is straight from a novel about imaginary magic.

Ask about defense, ask about how to block or reflect attacks, ask about something intelligent and serious.

How rediculous is it when I get reprimanded for thinking someone Silly at referencing Harry Potter in a serious request?

Come on. Please please tell me you haven't lost THAT much touch with reality.
You're missing the point, namely that people want a class on defending themselves from harmful magic. Since harmful magic does exist outside the realm of Harry Potter, there's nothing wrong with wanting some real-world ways of defending yourself.

Fine, "Defense Against the Dark Arts" isn't the best idea for a title. Call it something else. Call it, "How to fart in Darkness' general direction," who cares. But people want--and need, dare I say--this class.

My only personal request would be that the person teaching it has several years of experience with magic as well as some personal experience actually using the defense techniques she chooses to teach.

[Semele]

How rediculous is it when I get reprimanded for thinking someone Silly at referencing Harry Potter in a serious request?

Come on. Please please tell me you haven't lost THAT much touch with reality.
How 'rediculous' indeed that I should have to tell you to stop trying to hurt peopl's feelings. This thread is from this point for the purpose of discussing the class, despite the name it is given and not to carry on this banter back and forth. If you have a problem with my calling you out then pm me about it. I will be more than happy to discuss it with you.

Elise, thank you for the offer to teach the class. I am sure I can round up some folks who would be willing to help in any way possible.

[Sequoia]

Elise sounds like she'd be great to teach the class. :)

[Mouse]

I have to admit i did raise my eyebrows at the title of this thread, and i did check to see if it was in the "just silly" boards. But it isn't and it is a reasonalbe request.

If you don't believe in the "dark arts" or whatever you like to call it, then your a fool. There are people out there who work to harm and there are beings who are not people that also will attack you. Ignorance wont keep you safe. I'm not having a go at anyone here, this isnt actually aimed at anyone in specific. But i thought it needed to be said. I used to scoff at the whole idea of hexes and what have you. Then I was taught the basics of psychic attack and i figure if i, a relitivly untrained 17 year old girl, can direct a psychic attack than anyone can with enough training.

As for people reading too much fiction, I think if anything they should read more fiction.
sounds stupid, but hear me out. fiction books can decribe in detail different techniques and mental exercises that would be dangerous to print in books that are supposed to be fact. yeah, i sound like a paranoid loony, but think about it.

I'd be interested in a defence class too.
~miriam

[Tentasticle]

Define "Dark Arts" - depending on your definition, I may be able to help you.

No timewasters, please.

[~Elise~]

My only personal request would be that the person teaching it has several years of experience with magic as well as some personal experience actually using the defense techniques she chooses to teach.

Not that I have to provide a resume...but I have been doing this path for over 10 years. I'm HPS for a pagan group here in town for almost four years now. I've been teaching for about 6 years.

I do have personal experience in using magic and am experienced in what defense techniques I will teach here. I've fought the big bad when needed and I'm still here standing and they are through The Western Gate and won't be coming back any time soon.
So, yes, I know, whereof I speak.

Hope that sets your mind at ease.

Elise

[Bix]

Well...WHATEVER anybody calls it, I'd be interested in joining the class and I appreciate pearl59 for doing it.

[Rick]

oh, I promise...NO wand waving will ever be involved.

Elise
Damn!!! That leaves me out... :fpipesmok

[Rowan Darkmoon]

I would be interested in taking it as well, let me know when it gets started. :smile:

[Tentasticle]

Not that I have to provide a resume...but I have been doing this path for over 10 years. I'm HPS for a pagan group here in town for almost four years now. I've been teaching for about 6 years.

I do have personal experience in using magic and am experienced in what defense techniques I will teach here. I've fought the big bad when needed and I'm still here standing and they are through The Western Gate and won't be coming back any time soon.
So, yes, I know, whereof I speak.

Hope that sets your mind at ease.

Elise

Resume please.

What Dark Forces have you faced, and in what manner, and to what extent did you defeat them?

[Teresa]

I believe Pearls59 would be the perfect teacher for this class as well. I know about 20 years ago I wish someone had taught these things to me.I was not prepared for some of the things I encountered and was too trusting. Since then I have learned how to shield and how to protect myself all be it was the hard way and by the seat of my pants. There are as many people out in the world that seek to do evil as there are those that seek to do good. If You do not believe it then you are foolish.

[Tentasticle]

I believe Pearls59 would be the perfect teacher for this class as well. I know about 20 years ago I wish someone had taught these things to me.I was not prepared for some of the things I encountered and was too trusting. Since then I have learned how to shield and how to protect myself all be it was the hard way and by the seat of my pants. There are as many people out in the world that seek to do evil as there are those that seek to do good. If You do not believe it then you are foolish.

Please answer this question:-

How much Dark Electricity do you use in your home -
you know, the stuff that they use to electrocute criminals, as opposed to the benign stuff that we use to light our homes?

Define Dark Arts?
Tell me why you are afraid of being targetted by them?

BTW - if anyone is actually going to attempt to teach this course, PLEASE sign me up.

[Mistress_Ravenshadow]

If people feel a need to defend themselves against it, that's fine. It's when people start thinking that they are in a children's fantasy novel that I get a bit amused.

I'm not mean. It's a fantasy novel. If you want to be taken seriously, don't ask to be taught "Defense Against the Dark Arts" which is straight from a novel about imaginary magic.

Ask about defense, ask about how to block or reflect attacks, ask about something intelligent and serious.

How rediculous is it when I get reprimanded for thinking someone Silly at referencing Harry Potter in a serious request?

Come on. Please please tell me you haven't lost THAT much touch with reality.


we ALL know harry potter isn't real however for those that aren't so self-absorbed to see it, the idea in itself was a good one.. just because someone doesn't use the 'correct' terminology or states in a manner that you don't like doesn't mean that they are delusional or living in a fantasy world.. it means that they are possibly new and weren't sure how to word it..


i saw that the rede was mentioned in the posts too, but not everyone follows the rede.. not everyone thinks its a bad thing to hex etc so it is necessary to learn how to shield.. just because you learn how to protect yourself against something doesn't mean you practise it.. but how can you defend against something if you know nothing about it..ignorance isn't a protection.. eg)if someone doesn't know anything about the chicken pox/any disease, does that mean they wont ever get it? no..but if they know alittle about it then they will know how to take steps to avoid it or at least lessen the effect


there are ways to say things.. its one thing to stand up for what you believe and to speak your mind its another to rip into ppl like you have the worst case of pms ever recorded with the soul purpose of publicly embarrassing them..
we have no way of knowing whether this person is or is not living in a fantasy world, but if they are they would get a very swift reality check once the class started..

[AstralMoth]

Resume please.

What Dark Forces have you faced, and in what manner, and to what extent did you defeat them?
I faced a Dementer once !!!! and and and ... It ran away from my pointy hat !!
Seriously though, there are pretty varying degrees of what can be defined as 'Dark arts' ( i cant believe i just said that ). It would be a very good idea for whoever is going to teach this class to post some kind of resume so we can gauge who is most suitable (returning unwanted love spells is not what I am are talking about here).

[Tentasticle]

For Christs sake.

This is NOT a game for amateurs.

You want a professional, you're going to have to pay. email me.

[AstralMoth]

You want a professional, you're going to have to pay. email me.
Would this be payment by Galleons ? ( i think thats what theyr called )

[Rowan Darkmoon]

This is NOT a game for amateurs.

You want a professional, you're going to have to pay. email me.

Please watch your language, this is a PG-13 site.

[Tentasticle]

Would this be payment by Galleons ? ( i think thats what theyr called )

Souls. with a receipt.


Please watch your language, this is a PG-13 site.

Sorted love.

So just as long as we're discussing the demonic influences of hell, then we keep our mouths clean, yes?

[Rowan Darkmoon]

Souls. with a receipt.

Sorted love.

So just as long as we're discussing the demonic influences of hell, then we keep our mouths clean, yes?

I'd appreciate it as it will keep you from being banned.

[SilverClaw]

So Elise do you think you will be doing this class?

[RubyRose]

I guess I've come in late to this particular thread to really offer any advice, but one thing, I'd like to say to whoever decides to teach this particular class be it Elise or somebody else.

It may pay to write up a very clear statement about what this class involves, be it sheilding, anti-magic or whatnot. That way people who don't agree with whats being taught can just back away.

It's probably been considered but there seems to be a whole lot of hype and reference to Harry Potter.

[Scheherazade's Muse]

Agreeing with RR on this topic. I wouldn't mind joining, only if to renew what I know and possibly learn more. The topic "defense against the dark arts" also made me take a couple of steps back but the principle of this topic is good.

[Tentasticle]

Syllabus:

Demons - Restraining/Banishing of.
Style - current fashions.
Protective Manoeuvers (simple, advanced and enlightened).
The Matrix and Evil.
Underlying Principles of Black Magick.
The Immortal Soul - what it is and how to maintain it.
Elementals and You.
Otherkin: Demons or Deities?

[SilverClaw]

It may pay to write up a very clear statement about what this class involves, be it sheilding, anti-magic or whatnot. That way people who don't agree with whats being taught can just back away.

Well considering a write up needs to be done anyways I do not think that would really be an issue I do think that whatever is taught it could be an interesting class.

[RubyRose]

Well considering a write up needs to be done anyways I do not think that would really be an issue I do think that whatever is taught it could be an interesting class.

Still, you never know ... look at what happened just because somebody decided to ask for a class on defending against the dark arts? People got flustered and jumped up and down claiming the whole idea was stupid.

It's just easier in the long run if you fend off any further attacks now, instead of later.

[RubyRose]

Syllabus:

Demons - Restraining/Banishing of.
Style - current fashions.
Protective Manoeuvers (simple, advanced and enlightened).
The Matrix and Evil.
Underlying Principles of Black Magick.
The Immortal Soul - what it is and how to maintain it.
Elementals and You.
Otherkin: Demons or Deities?

Okay, I'm curious ... what exactly is your definition of black magic. I'm guessing it would have something to do with the negative side to magic

[SilverClaw]

Still, you never know ... look at what happened just because somebody decided to ask for a class on defending against the dark arts? People got flustered and jumped up and down claiming the whole idea was stupid.

It's just easier in the long run if you fend off any further attacks now, instead of later. That is true. what I was trying to get across in the above post though is people have to do their submissions right and from what I have seen most put what the class is about in their first thread or whatever with the Lesson plan that is why I did not think it would be an issue, but I do see what your saying.

[Tentasticle]

Okay, I'm curious ... what exactly is your definition of black magic. I'm guessing it would have something to do with the negative side to magic

And THAT my Lady, is what I have been asking the participants of this thread ALL ALONG.

I have yet to receive an answer

My offer still stands..

[SilverClaw]

Style - current fashions. What is that suppose to mean?

[AstralMoth]

Most traditions and systems of magick have different ways of dealing wth defense. So maybe a couple of teachers teaching thier methods would be more suitable. I know a ceremonial magician would go about this a different way than what ive read in those 'teen witch ' books.

[SilverClaw]

Oh yes Cms would go about it differently for sure :D so are you suggesting a co-teacher type thing then AstralMoth?

[RubyRose]

And THAT my Lady, is what I have been asking the participants of this thread ALL ALONG.

I have yet to receive an answer

My offer still stands..

Oh ... I see ... cause while I believe there's positive and negative sides to magic (spells and the like) I don't think of magic in terms of Black and White. Although, High and Low Magic is another deal altogether...

[Rev R]

How about more of a round table discussion format? Looking at it from several different viewpoints, once what needs to be defended against is established.

[RubyRose]

But at the same time, there seems to be perfectly good explaination of Black Magic on the net...

ie. Black Magic: Sorcery; necromancy, or the raising of the dead and other selfish abuses of abnormal powers. This abuse may be unintentional; still it has to remain "black" magic whenever anything is produced phenomenally simply for one's own gratification.

for more see: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:Black+Magic

If you're interested.

[SilverClaw]

Actually I was just thinking of that as well. Rev R I think that wmay be a good Idea, I guess we will have to see what happens then.

[Tentasticle]

But at the same time, there seems to be perfectly good explaination of Black Magic on the net...

ie. Black Magic: Sorcery; necromancy, or the raising of the dead and other selfish abuses of abnormal powers. This abuse may be unintentional; still it has to remain "black" magic whenever anything is produced phenomenally simply for one's own gratification.

for more see: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:Black+Magic

If you're interested.

Yes, I ALWAYS rely on the Internet to tell me what to think about things.
Having said that, Google is the ultimate in Bibliomancy.


Oh ... I see ... cause while I believe there's positive and negative sides to magic (spells and the like) I don't think of magic in terms of Black and White. Although, High and Low Magic is another deal altogether...

Black/White High/Low - where do you get these ideas from?
Is Electricity High or Low? Black or White?

Magic(k) is the Art of Resolving Reality, nothing more.
"The Dark Arts" are to "The Light Arts" (now WHY does nobody say "The Light Arts"?) as "Freedom Fighters" are to "Terrorists".

Now, do you want help or not?

[AstralMoth]

How about more of a round table discussion format? Looking at it from several different viewpoints, once what needs to be defended against is established.
Here here !!
A norse pagan would go about it in a pretty different way to a Wiccan or a CM. Because there are so many paths and systems that come under the 'Pagan' heading what any one person had to teach would be unlikely to be relevant to more than 50% of the people here. This is a very worthwile idea though IF its done right.

[Bethra]

This whole thing could not be run by one person alone as if it was it would only apeal to about 20% of the comunity here. If it must be done then it must be taught by many people and some form of credentials would have to be provided.

I'm sorry but just saying "I've fought off a big bad" is not proof enough that you have experiance in this area. A person who has not learnt to defend themselves and yet thinks that they are is in much more danger than someone who doesn't think they are protected at all.

I still maintain this kind of thing can't be taught in this method. A forum is not the place to learn this kind of thing espechialy one that caters for such a vast amount of peoples as this one does.

[Rowan Darkmoon]

It seems that a round table discussion may be more appropriate. The "Dark Arts" discussion is interesting to me though, would anyone be opposed to me starting a new thread in Magic and Ritual?

[SilverClaw]

Tentasticle why don't you give it a rest. Obviously there is a difference in opinions and you do not have to be rude about it.

[SilverClaw]

No Rowan Moonstone I would not mind.

[Bethra]

It seems that a round table discussion may be more appropriate. The "Dark Arts" discussion is interesting to me though, would anyone be opposed to me starting a new thread in Magic and Ritual?

Better that than a class I think yes

[Rowan Darkmoon]

I found this thread that already has many community members definitions of black magic. So, if anyone wants to chime in there feel free.

Definitions of Black Magic (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=80401&highlight=black+magic%3F)

[RubyRose]

Yes, I ALWAYS rely on the Internet to tell me what to think about things.
Having said that, Google is the ultimate in Bibliomancy.



Black/White High/Low - where do you get these ideas from?
Is Electricity High or Low? Black or White?

Magic(k) is the Art of Resolving Reality, nothing more.
"The Dark Arts" are to "The Light Arts" (now WHY does nobody say "The Light Arts"?) as "Freedom Fighters" are to "Terrorists".

Now, do you want help or not?

If you'd like me to assist in some way, fine.

[SilverClaw]

Hey Rowan Moonstone Thanks for posting that link.

[AstralMoth]

i just noticed how phallic that candle in your banner looks Bran :tongueout
Off topic srry.

[Rowan Darkmoon]

I created this thread too! So we could discuss there if we would like. :uhhuhuh:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?p=1761315#post1761315

[Bethra]

i just noticed how phallic that candle in your banner looks Bran :tongueout
Off topic srry.
:yayah: :crylaugh: :fishsmack :awilly: :yourock: :alol:

[monk3y]

Wow it still shocks me when some rude people come in and disrespect a whole bunch of people just because their view on something is different.

The FACT that in all fiction there is alot of fact involved, it helps to make a good, interesting story. Some people seriously need to lighten up ok?

The original post may or may not have been serious but it sparked an interest in alot of us for a serious look at protection. The simple fact that some people word things differently or in a newbie fashion doesn't mean you have to flop out your imaginary penis and go "COR Look at that, mines way bigger than yours!"

People with 'real' experience are a dime a dozen. Don't we all have our own experience, we all have the ability to let our heads swell, thinking that we have the aswers for everyone. But a good teacher is a person that wants to help people to learn and offer advice without ripping them apart.

On a final note I think some people gravitate way to quickly to thinking that alot of people are just plain stupid, this i just a huge lack of respect. A lack of respect that you could end up at the other end of...

how does a lack of respect for your abilties make you feel ?

[Tentasticle]

Tentasticle why don't you give it a rest. Obviously there is a difference in opinions and you do not have to be rude about it.

Linkage (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?p=1745928&postcount=1)

[monk3y]

Being a hugely sarcastic person myself you need to learn to take a beating once and a while. Learn that sometimes you can't give it better than you get in return. Being sarcastic is not a one sided world, your opening the potential for an acidic return.

[AstralMoth]

People with 'real' experience are a dime a dozen. Don't we all have our own experience, we all have the ability to let our heads swell, thinking that we have the aswers for everyone. But a good teacher is a person that wants to help people to learn and offer advice without ripping them apart.

True, a lot of people have had experince with this kind of thing, but i daresay that very few of them are qualified to teach this to someone. The thing with any kind of protection from anything is that the more you think you are protected from something the more complacent you become when dealing with it. Like people who live in viialges underneath huge water dams. It only takes one failure and boom they are all gone. The idea is sound but its important if your going to touch this subject at all to find good teachers who really know thier stuff.

[Tabby]

This is completely uncalled for. Completely disrespectful to elude to others being crackerjacks because they don't speak the way you do or think like you.

You keep complaining about all the newbies with fluffy light attitudes yet, rather than help light their path, you litter their path with hateful comments and jabs meant to block the way. Go work on your own boulders and stop throwing them for others.

Look around you folks, this community is not all about you anymore..that goes for all of us. It is about the community as a whole and if there are people wanting classes on things that others who are skilled are willing to offer then so be it. If you dislike it then go to the other side of the site that doesn't make you want to spit forth venom at new people.


Well said Semele and thank you for saying it.

[monk3y]

The idea is sound but its important if your going to touch this subject at all to find good teachers who really know thier stuff.

Thanks AstralMoth, this is something I accidentally left out of my post .. and with any good teachers needs to have students that are going to take things seriously when the time calls for a strong attention to detail as I can imagine this topic would need.

[Bethra]

True, a lot of people have had experince with this kind of thing, but i daresay that very few of them are qualified to teach this to someone. The thing with any kind of protection from anything is that the more you think you are protected from something the more complacent you become when dealing with it. Like people who live in viialges underneath huge water dams. It only takes one failure and boom they are all gone. The idea is sound but its important if your going to touch this subject at all to find good teachers who really know thier stuff.



_handclapp :yourock: _handclapp

[Cielamara]

I personally think that this sort of thing is best taught one-on-one. A discussion would be nice...but in my experience...this kind of thing is not something you want to try and do a class on. Something as important as protecting yourself needs to be learned in such a manner as to where the person with the experience is focused on you and only you, to watch your back, so to speak, until you're comfortable with what you're doing.

Just my opinion.

[Bethra]

I personally think that this sort of thing is best taught one-on-one. A discussion would be nice...but in my experience...this kind of thing is not something you want to try and do a class on. Something as important as protecting yourself needs to be learned in such a manner as to where the person with the experience is focused on you and only you, to watch your back, so to speak, until you're comfortable with what you're doing.

Just my opinion.

I agree and have already stated that previously in the thread but it does seam to have got lost

[Tentasticle]

Being a hugely sarcastic person myself you need to learn to take a beating once and a while. Learn that sometimes you can't give it better than you get in return. Being sarcastic is not a one sided world, your opening the potential for an acidic return.

Oh I'm willing to learn - if a qualified teacher turns up.

None of what I have said in this thread is without foundation. Nobody answered any of my (quite reasonable) questions. I have made no claims beyond my capabilities.

Let me know the minute you can claim the same.

[teishabee]

Not everyone can get one on one tho and I think learning about it in general with a group would be more help then learning nothing.

[Xentor]

Oh I'm willing to learn - if a qualified teacher turns up.

None of what I have said in this thread is without foundation. Nobody answered any of my (quite reasonable) questions. I have made no claims beyond my capabilities.

Let me know the minute you can claim the same.

Drop it.

[AstralMoth]

http://www.potterpuppetpals.com/trouble.html
I like these guys method myself

[flar7]

remember, if one does not like the method or the teacher, one does not have to post nor participate.

as to dark magic and light, well, I have given a long disccussion in the thread that was linked a few pages back on black magic. Short of it is, if magic is energy, then there are colors. Even with electricity. There are various forms of it, that do different things and react differently.

Good luck with the new class Pearl59. _wiz_

[~Elise~]

Okay--quite a bit happened overnight. I'll try to respond to some of the posts...others aren't even worth my time typing a reply to.

Do I think this can be taught via the internet...I'm skeptical. BUT that said, there is a big need for it and not all people have access to someone who can teach them one-on-one. So, this will have to be the venue that some learn from, deal with it.

Will it be as effective--maybe not. BUT it will provide some help and that is ALWAYS better than none. Deal with it.

Do I think I can teach all foms to all people, no. I'm realisitic--but I have been participating in email teaching/learning for quite awhile and I do have a good idea on what I'm doing, what will work, what won't. Yes, I am well aware there are different paths/different traditions/different ways of doing things...so what? I never have tried to be the final word on anything. I cannot be all things to all people. I teach what I know, I have other resources to help pull from, as well...It'll have to be generic grounding, shielding, etc.

If you guys want a roundtable, go for it. If you want a class, let me know. I can teach it, I will pull the time from somewhere. I feel that this is too important to just let it not happen. I have already sent a PM to Morr yesterday...but if no one is wanting the class, then I'll withdraw my offer.

Elise

[BrigidMoon]

I really think people shouldn't judge others when there is a request for a class. Yes her wording was not the best chosen however, she posted a request about a class. She did not post a request to have her words criticized.

The ones that don't like the words "dark arts" due to some movie reference or feel it's non-existant or think it's stupid or silly --- your points are well taken here.

I think we should back off a bit and actually look at the question or request being asked and then answer it.

What's wrong with :

"I don't believe in Dark Arts. Sounds like a Harry Potter movie....not interested in a class."


Simple, to the point, answers the question, gives a response without offending others.

We're losing sight on how to treat others here. It's beginning to seriously upset me.

[teishabee]

Elise. there are many in favour of the class, and are pleased you are going to teach it. The people who wanted the more roundtable grouping were as far as I was aware not even interested in the class. So I dont see why they had to comment.:whatgives

[DragonWhispers]

If you want a class, let me know. I can teach it, I will pull the time from somewhere. I feel that this is too important to just let it not happen. I have already sent a PM to Morr yesterday...but if no one is wanting the class, then I'll withdraw my offer.

Elise
Should another thread be started for people to be able to reply who are actually interested in the class? This one seems to have gone by the wayside. I think that quite a few people are wanting a class. I will sign up for it. :bigredgri

[~Elise~]

I am going forward on the premise that this WILL be a class. I'll start working on a lesson plan and syllabus this weekend. And will post it when I'm done.

We'll do a signup thread when the class forum is created.


Elise

[Ben Trismegistus]

ADMIN MODE

OK, everyone's had a chance to state his or her opinion on this topic. The matter is now in the hands of the CoT admins as to whether a class is feasible and/or appropriate. Therefore there's no reason for this thread to remain open.

Thread closed.