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  • #16
    Originally posted by RoseKitten View Post
    OP- I am overweight. I am not unhealthy. Can I run a mile? No. A lot of "skinny" people can't, either. My PCM was convinced that there "must be something wrong with me" and my blood work is perfect. My blood pressure is perfect. I am a healthy individual. Why do you care so freaking much? I enjoy the food that I eat, because I get to eat it. Big freaking deal. I'm happy, both spiritually and physically, and it's nobody's business what my weight is. Just because YOU think that weight should be the deciding factor in health, doesn't mean we all do.
    Nah, your heart is totes gonna explode. Everyone knows if you're a single pound overweight, you have ALL THE HEART ATTACKS. ALL OF THEM.

    /s

    Taciturn and prudent, and in war daring, should a king's children be;
    joyous and liberal every one should be until his hour of death.


    The Words of Odin the High One - translated by Benjamin Thorpe

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Woden's Spear View Post
      Nah, your heart is totes gonna explode. Everyone knows if you're a single pound overweight, you have ALL THE HEART ATTACKS. ALL OF THEM.

      /s
      Current bet is actually that I'll either spontaneously combust, or just fly apart and become a being of pure energy.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by RoseKitten View Post
        Current bet is actually that I'll either spontaneously combust, or just fly apart and become a being of pure energy.
        Nah current bet is all pagans are like an episode of Star Trek where the people only take a human form for interaction with other humanoid life forms. Then we simply tun into balls of energy and vanish when we no longer desire to interact with the rest of the bonebags.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by underblackice View Post
          Also, if you watch nature documentaries (or real life) you will see that (for cats, at least) the instinct is to go for the throat, tear or at least sever the jugular, and render the animal unconscious until it bleeds to death. It's not in the interest of a predator to have to keep fighting it's struggling prey while it tries to eat. Of course it happens, but it's not the norm ... and as I said, humans make animals suffer for life (unless you choose free-range, which may or may not be more humane depending on laws) for their food, not just the few seconds/minutes before death. There's a big difference.
          I'm gonna guess by this comment that you haven't spent a lot of time in the wild, have you? Or, owned a cat that was a hunter. Cats are a bad bad example for your post because they are one of the few species of mammals that hunt for sport and vengeance rather than just for food.

          I had a cat once who used to catch mice and play with them until they died. She never ate them. She just killed them. I can also remember a pair of crows that used to sit on the fence and taunt her (squawking, dive bombing, etc). I'll spare you the details of what she did to the crow once she finally caught one of them.

          Have you ever heard an account of a bear attack? Or watched one eat fish in a river? I've seen a bear tear strips off of a salmon while it still struggled to get away.

          Predators don't rip out their prey's throat and politely wait for it to die before they dive in. Predators eat their prey while it is bleeding and dying and most of the time very conscious. I'm not even going to go into what gross things bugs and reptiles do to their prey.

          Humans are the only creatures on this planet that have any notion at all of humane killing. This world is a violent place. It is indescribably beautiful too, but to deny the unpleasant things, the decay, rot, death, blood, and pain, is to be wilfully blind. Considering that Samhain is just past, I would think that this sort of thing would still be in the front of our minds.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by underblackice View Post
            .. Also, if you watch nature documentaries (or real life) you will see that (for cats, at least) the instinct is to go for the throat, tear or at least sever the jugular, and render the animal unconscious until it bleeds to death. It's not in the interest of a predator to have to keep fighting it's struggling prey while it tries to eat. Of course it happens, but it's not the norm ... and as I said, humans make animals suffer for life (unless you choose free-range, which may or may not be more humane depending on laws) for their food, not just the few seconds/minutes before death. There's a big difference.
            I won't say you didn't watch the documentary but if you did you clearly didn't listen or understand it. The cat goes for the throat because of control. When you control the throat you control its movements, its ability to fight back and you remove any weight advantage it might have over you or speed advantage. It's the safest place for the preditor to be depending upon the prey type and the size of the prey being tackled. For canine's it seems to be positioning to rush in and tear at its flanks and keep it twisting so it can not bring its own defense into play. Doesn't matter the target either as dogs will attack a bear pretty much the same way they attack a deer.

            As far as suffering and playing with ones food that is not unique to humans. The wolverine will kill just to kill and never eat what it killed but soil it so nothing else will either. A feline will play with its prey for hours at a time or inflict significant injury then taunt that creature for hours. It's quite common for adult cats to cripple a creature then leave it to its young to learn to kill or simply play with it as it dies. Watch what a killer whale does to seals sometime to see true enjoyment in torture of ones prey and screwing with its mind and emotions. Dolphins also are renouned for corraling thier prey into kill zones where they control the situation.

            Personaly the major issue I see with meat eaters is that the parts that are usually the most benefitting are the parts that are thrown away or feed to the animals. Liver, heart and other internals are the parts that are taken first by many preditors as they hold the most nutrients. In deep winter you'll occasionally find kills where those items where taken and the so called better meat left to rot as it has little nutritional value and takes a lot of enerrgy to digest and breakdown. Yet in many ways I think it has a certian taboo about eating them though you'll still find many people who will do so.

            I won't deny that many factory farms are horrible and are at best living hells for the creature awaiting to die. Yet they also exist because people allow them to and really do not know where their food comes from or how its handled prior to the butcher shop.

            I'll just leave the notion of vegetarian and vegan to myself and whether plants can feel or be abused.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by underblackice View Post
              I should have clarified my question more: why are so many pagans not healthy when paganism in general focuses on the beauty of nature?
              Something doesn't have to be healthy, or not overweight, to be beautiful.

              To answer your question though, there are pagans into and drawn to the whole primal/paleo/bushcraft thing(I for one to a certain extent), but that's just them. Those under the umbrella pagan labels are very diverse, and actually there's only so much of pagan paleolithic hunter/gather practices that we know of for modern inspiration aside from surviving ingenious tribal cultures. For many that do follow paths that follow days centered around agriculture&agrarian cycles, well, the advent of agriculture was a turning point in man's health.

              Also as mentioned obesity isn't an issue among paganism as it's a pretty common issue among 1st world countries. I know plenty of fit&healthy pagans that actually know sod all about nature in this modern age. Heck not many Astrologers nowadays can function without computers.
              Semper Fidelis

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              • #22
                Nothing to do with pagans and everything to do with individuals. Each person has their own combination of genetics physical health Ans lifestyle. I'm not overweight per say but I'm not happy with it either. Mybig probably is that I'd rather read or play a game then exercise
                Crying "cherry-picking!" with one breath and "diversity!" with the next doesn't work either.~brymble
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by underblackice View Post
                  if we are nature-worshippingd
                  but we aren't, are we? what i mean is, not all of us are. and to assume otherwise is - well, it's an erroneous assumption, and people shouldn't be assuming anything.

                  does it not follow that we (because of our religion, not necessarily alone) would want to take care of said bodies
                  you are aware that some people have diseases that no matter what we/they do for healthcare/self-care/whatever-care, our/their bodies are never going to be healthy or perfect? which is generally the number one problem with these types of posts. we can "get right with goddess" as much as we want, but our bodies and minds are going to remain crap and often sometimes even deteriorate further as we age. we can honor every being in the universe and eat the best diet possible and mediate and floss every day, but none of that is going to change our DNA or the fact of disease.

                  if you're not a healthy weight
                  and i suppose that you're the authority here on what that exact healthy weight is for each person here at MysticWicks? right? you do know that that BMI bs was made up by insurance companies and is perpetuated by the FDA for profits, right? nothing at all scientific whatsoever about that so-called "health scale".

                  I choose to live as healthily as I can, to try to strengthen my body, to nourish my body, to love everything my body can do
                  and statements like this are probably why the rest of the people in this thread are/were all up in arms. you say blanket statements like this, and it comes across as if you're looking down your nose at everyone else. like, you're doing this thing and making it sound like nobody else is or has or hadn't ever thought about it. and you're wrong.
                  ~ Mairwen

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RoseKitten View Post
                    OP- I am overweight. I am not unhealthy. Can I run a mile? No. A lot of "skinny" people can't, either. My PCM was convinced that there "must be something wrong with me" and my blood work is perfect. My blood pressure is perfect. I am a healthy individual. Why do you care so freaking much? I enjoy the food that I eat, because I get to eat it. Big freaking deal. I'm happy, both spiritually and physically, and it's nobody's business what my weight is. Just because YOU think that weight should be the deciding factor in health, doesn't mean we all do.
                    you were so much kinder about the whole thing than i was.
                    ~ Mairwen

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