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  • #31
    Originally posted by Kraheera View Post
    And no, even if there was compulsory, I don't think women should be exempted. There are waivers for everything when it comes to the military. If a woman is pregnant, they can easily waive it and just call her up later.
    Not if you're dealing with the Duggar family! LOL
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    • #32
      Originally posted by treefae View Post
      There are plenty of countries that do fine with mandatory service.

      Yes, and culturally, those countries are vastly different from our own. THOSE countries have a community mind. Our country doesn't. THOSE countries have socialized medicine and generally like it.

      Ours thinks 'de socialism is de evilz'.
      Now this is the Law of the Jungle - as old and as true as the Sky. And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack. ~ Rudyard Kipling

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      • #33
        Originally posted by treefae View Post
        There are plenty of countries that do fine with mandatory service.
        You are absolutely correct. Likewise there are plenty of countries that do fine with stricter gun control laws, national health care, etc. However the problem with instituting those things here, tends to be that since it has not been that way people tend to view such things as a radical change, and so many tend to resist.

        This would I imagine be the case for compulsory military service as well.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by memnoch View Post
          Let me start by saying I could see many theoretical benefits of compulsory service. I believe that military service helps young men and women mature, develop discipline, respect, and an overall pride and confidence. However I believe the reality is by forcing anyone to do something they don't want you are going to create problems that really aren't worth it. To top it off I know the last thing I would want while serving in a war is a battle buddy who doesn't want to be there. You need to know that the person next to you is going to give themselves for you, as you will for them. You need to know you can trust them more than you will ever trust another individual. They are more important than your parents, your siblings, your spouse, or your children, because they are quite possibly going to be the one person that insures you will return home to all of those other people.

          With that said, back to the sexist attitude I perceive. I'm usually the first to be called sexist or masogynistic, however I believe that a woman should be required to do the same thing as a man. They should be held to the exact same standards when it comes to personal standards, and in this case should be held to the same standard in service. If we were to go to compulsory service I think it is pure crap to make it for one sex. Sure, a woman could become a mother, however a man could become a father. Honestly if we could come up with a male "shot" I would be all for temporary sterilization for anyone serving in the military.
          I was reading through this thread and wonder why you said that you would be "all for temporary sterilization for anyone serving in the military"? I have been active duy for 9 years now, and have had both of my children while Ive been in. True I missed out on one deployement when I was pregnant, but guess what... I knew that when he was 6 months old, I was eligible to ship out. And guess where I am now... sitting in Baghad, Iraq. IF it came to this, I would be more interested to see this option available while deployed.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by treefae View Post
            There are plenty of countries that do fine with mandatory service.
            That may be true, but I personally feel better knowing that everyone that is here with me right now doesnt "want" to be here, they all volunteered to be in the Army, many after the wars broke out knowing they would end up here.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by rnaroundsue82 View Post
              I was reading through this thread and wonder why you said that you would be "all for temporary sterilization for anyone serving in the military"? I have been active duy for 9 years now, and have had both of my children while Ive been in. True I missed out on one deployement when I was pregnant, but guess what... I knew that when he was 6 months old, I was eligible to ship out. And guess where I am now... sitting in Baghad, Iraq. IF it came to this, I would be more interested to see this option available while deployed.
              Because while you are serving you are government property, if you were to make another piece of government property out of service for 1 year (from the time you find out you are pregnant until 6 months after birth) you would be punished. The reality is while you are pregnant and recovering you are of less use to the military. As pregnancy takes the responsibility of two people, and for legal issues, it would take temporary sterilization of both males and females.
              There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. H.L. Mencken

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              • #37
                So I am of little use to the Army by sitting at a desk (part of my job), doing paperwork (part of my job), and helping to ensure that things are squared away for the guys who are going downrange. I find that hard to believe. While I may not have been over here, I was still supporting the Soldiers that were by being a contact to the states, and makeing sure things are squared away before they leave, while they are gone, and when they get back. Thats the reason they have Rear Detachments. And they are full of people who "are of less use to the military." Mostly people who are unable to deploy permanently, not just for a year.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rnaroundsue82 View Post
                  So I am of little use to the Army by sitting at a desk (part of my job), doing paperwork (part of my job), and helping to ensure that things are squared away for the guys who are going downrange. I find that hard to believe. While I may not have been over here, I was still supporting the Soldiers that were by being a contact to the states, and makeing sure things are squared away before they leave, while they are gone, and when they get back. Thats the reason they have Rear Detachments. And they are full of people who "are of less use to the military." Mostly people who are unable to deploy permanently, not just for a year.
                  That came across wrong, what I was trying to say is that you are not of full use...because of a choice you have made, bottom line is that if it weren't such a political landmine it would be destruction of government property.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by memnoch View Post
                    wow, sexist much?
                    Not necessarily. That's what it was like during Vietnam. That said, if you're going to make it compulsory today, make it so for everyone.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by memnoch View Post
                      That came across wrong, what I was trying to say is that you are not of full use...because of a choice you have made, bottom line is that if it weren't such a political landmine it would be destruction of government property.

                      OH, you mean like the guys that decide to drive motorcycles then? Because, ya know, that's a choice, and the accident rate is through the roof on those things. So much so that not only do you have to take a safety class to even be allowed on base with one, in the Air Force you have to renew it. Often.

                      Also, why not ban marriage in the military while we're at it? Cause you know, they're all government property, and marriage leads to messy things like divorce or finance trouble or KIDS.
                      Now this is the Law of the Jungle - as old and as true as the Sky. And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack. ~ Rudyard Kipling

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