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  • Do you believe in "sin"?

    Do you belive in the concept of "sin." And, if so, are there differrent types or levels of this?


    I used to fully believe in it, but now I feel more and more it doesn't exist so much as we just mess up.


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    no i do not believe in sin at all
    almost everthing is classed as a sin
    to people who shall remain nameless
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    • #3
      sin means a lot.... I interpret sin as a fault, rather than things morally wrong, and we all have faults, we are human, if we didn't we'd all be gods ourselves eh?..

      I believe there are things that are morally wrong though... but I suppose that's different than the concept of sin

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      • #4
        Upon going to church with my family as a gesture of good will for Christmas, I found myself asking questions about the christian belief structure in general. Evil comes from man, if you want to call the act of evil 'sin', then I guess it's ok. The only problem is that evil is one of the most subjective terms in the world... making sin a loose and vague term.

        As for the concept of sin that we are born as sinners because of Adam and Eve, no, I guess I don't believe in sin. I guess you could say I now believe in the dark and light.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by LadyCelt
          Do you belive in the concept of "sin." And, if so, are there differrent types or levels of this?


          I used to fully believe in it, but now I feel more and more it doesn't exist so much as we just mess up.
          Imho,I think a better question is:
          what is sin,and does it exist?


          To me,a sin is me going against my true nature.
          Unless it's self defense,harming another human being(I'm peaceful,but I'm not a pacifist.Like Malcom X said,"by any means necessary") is a sin.
          To not enjoy life,that is a sin to me.

          To many discordians taking things way to seriously is a sin.
          To us,mindless blind conformity is a sin.
          Not thinking for yourself may be the biggest sin a discordian can commit
          Believing what we read is also a sin.
          Oh,and eating hotdog buns on friday.BIG NO NO!

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          • #6
            what is sin? who says that what you are doing is a sin ?
            who made the rules ,are there any rules?
            i don't believe in different kinds of sins ,you either commit one or you don't .
            but does it even excist ?
            something can be a sin to you but not be classified as a sin to me.
            there is no black and white answer for me but is there ever ????

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            • #7
              If we're talking about sin as an abstract kind of idea, like 'evil', as soemthing that bad forces tempt us with, then no, I don't believe in it. I think the idea that it's something that exists outside our everyday reality is yet again something that the bible has handed down,that we've been educated to accept without question.

              i think it's more like a scale, at one end is good, at the other is bad (i prefer not to use 'evil' because that has all sorts of connotations too.) Sin can be wherever along that scale the individual thinks it might be, like evil really, what one person thinks of as sin, another person might think of as just something maybe a bit naughty but not really sinful. It's all subjective.

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              • #8
                Well, I was under the impression that a sin was supposed to be an offense against God. But really, I don't think Jehovah cares one whit about what I do or do not do. I don't believe in sin because I think it's too difficult to live your life (and be happy) based on approval or disapproval of a third party, because it is always conditional. Particularly with a third party who doesn't exactly communicate clearly on a regular basis. And it seems like those who believe in sin, when they start acting based on how their own personal approval, then they get hit with guilt for thinking of themselves.

                I just can't think in that paradigm.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LostSheep
                  It's all subjective.

                  Just ask Aleister Crowley.
                  *wicked grin* hehehe Exactly. ^_^
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                  • #10
                    I think along the lines of "sin" being an imperfection that seperates us from the Divine, which I guess really does include everything we do. I don't consider sin so much to be a moral wrong, either. Are there things morally wrong? Yep, but you can't lump any of those things into one word. One man's murder is another man's protecting of his friends and family from getting killed or harmed. It's all in perspective whether or not an action is morally wrong, and then there is always the POV of the people involved somehow in the action and then there's the truth of what all really happened, and of couse noone wants to ever admit they ever did anything morally wrong because there is always justification.
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                    • #11
                      It's all shades of gray. I can't sin because I tie the concept of sin in with christianity exclusively and I'm no Christian. But I do understand the concept of acting inappropriately and wrong.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Vincent Verthaine
                        Imho,I think a better question is:
                        what is sin,and does it exist?


                        To me,a sin is me going against my true nature.
                        Unless it's self defense,harming another human being(I'm peaceful,but I'm not a pacifist.Like Malcom X said,"by any means necessary") is a sin.
                        To not enjoy life,that is a sin to me.

                        To many discordians taking things way to seriously is a sin.
                        To us,mindless blind conformity is a sin.
                        Not thinking for yourself may be the biggest sin a discordian can commit
                        Believing what we read is also a sin.
                        Oh,and eating hotdog buns on friday.BIG NO NO!
                        Aha, *loves*... You're beautiful! No, no hot dogs! :D

                        I have been told that the word 'sin' from the bible is an ancient term derrived from marksmen. Those guys who shoot arrows, you know...
                        And a 'sin' was when they 'missed their mark'.

                        So in essence, I completely agree with Vincent above me. A sin is when you go against yourself. We live life through our trial and errors, and what we end up with is what we've found Godly and acceptable. So when we define a moral within ourselves, and go against it. We've sinned.

                        So I try to be nice to myself when considering my faults, we are unperfect. And it is trial and error. And God is all love. But we must strive, for sure.
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                        • #13
                          :cheers: Only Christians "sin", Pagans party.

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                          • #14
                            Sin...its just an opinion by people!
                            I went to catholic school and was amazed on how they, the leaders of the church, could change what is a sin or not a sin! What was a sin years ago was changed and not a sin anymore!!

                            Experiencing that type of hype as a kid, helped me to realize that sin is just a human opinion. Not any different than the opinions of good and bad.
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                            • #15
                              "Sin" is a moralistic phrase used to justify and promote an ethical code within a religious subject, i.e. the ten commandments, etc..
                              Its usage denotes a limitation on human growth, where thinking "outside of the square" is frowned upon and used as a defense against individual growth.
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