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  • #31
    Some people DO have a rediculously amount of band width and some people use free sites, even worse!

    I have two sites hosted on non-bargin basement hosts. I was pretty unhappy the first time my site went down and they demanded more money.
    Last edited by SSanf; August 28th, 2005, 11:39 AM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by CzechWoods
      a link is a link.
      a picture is NOT a link
      Actually a picture is a link. Its a link that is activated on load rather than at user request, but its a link none the less.

      Originally posted by CzechWoods
      edited to add:
      yes i simplify . because to understand right from wrong in terms of stealing needs no complications.
      the term over-simplify only proves you are not agreeing with the simplification
      No, it means that I have considered and debated the issue in considerable depth, and have tried to explain it to you. You make no attempt to understand other points of view, but merely use emotional language rather than technical discussion to make your point.

      Putting content on a server in a global hypermedia system means that you are making it available for linking. If you want finer grained access control to that resource, use finer grained access control (as you indicated that you already do, although apparently you serve rude images rather than using the built-in features of HTTP).
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      • #33
        Originally posted by SSanf
        Some people DO have a rediculously amount of band width and some people use free sites, even worse!

        I have two sites hosted on non-bargin basement hosts. I was pretty unhappy the first time my site went down and they demanded more money.
        You get what you pay for I guess...

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        • #34
          Who cares how little the amount of bandwidth is stolen? It's still stolen and if enough people steal just a little, then it becomes alot. I love threads like these. They are always so telling of what kind of people some of us are.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mithrea
            Who cares how little the amount of bandwidth is stolen? It's still stolen and if enough people steal just a little, then it becomes alot. I love threads like these. They are always so telling of what kind of people some of us are.
            What do you mean by that?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mithrea
              Who cares how little the amount of bandwidth is stolen? It's still stolen and if enough people steal just a little, then it becomes alot. I love threads like these. They are always so telling of what kind of people some of us are.
              Its the 'still stolen' part that is disputed here. Putting a resource on a server and giving it a URL is license for someone else to follow that URL. If you don't want anyone to see it, don't put it on a server. If you want some people to see it but not others, use access control.

              I agree its telling, when some people give technical explanations with citations and some people just fling accusations and without backing it up.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by SSanf
                I want to mention that some of the banners I have created for myself have images NOT in the public domain. But, they are composed of merchant provided images that are given to us for use to sell their products. I am certain they want them used so long as it helps them make money. I guess, that is permission for use and so should be OK.

                I do hot link to images. But, hey, the images are served from my own sites and I am not complaining.

                And, I want to add that if someone wants to link to an image from one of my sites, I actually NEED all the incoming links I can get. A link to an image is still a link to the search engines! A link to an image, of course can't be spidered but it is still an incoming link and can help raise your page rank value which is very, very well worth the tiny cost of hosting the image. So, just contact me about it first in case it is a merchant image and not one of my own.

                In fact, here is a whole page of graphics that I made myself. Link away at will!

                http://www.sanfords.net/Spots_free_graphics/Pagan_Banners_1.html

                I really need to update that site. I used to think it was cute.
                Wow, I never realised that search engines consider images to be links! Maybe I'll follow suit and ask that my banners be linked, not copied!

                Just to contribute to the conversation; I think that anyone with their own domain who has a problem with people linking to their images should sort out something like tripod has, whereby the images show up as "you cant see this because blah blah...", and then people will not have the incentive to "steal" your bandwidth, you know? It's fairly easy, and can be done with a .htaccess file, and I'm fairly sure you can leave one folder exempt to keep your banners and so forth in.

                I also have a domain - I link several images from it to my siggie here and in several other message boards, along with all my art (i.e. large images) posts in the Arts & Crafts room and The Marketplace (and with 13.84 posts on average every day on this board alone, thats a lot of views) and as well as visitors to my site I still dont have problem with bandwidth costs. I never ever get charged extra, and thats on a budget $6 a month plan, you know?
                Last edited by mucgwyrt; August 29th, 2005, 09:10 AM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by WynnJera
                  did you notice I said a couple .. you are not the only one linking to my graphic's and making my pay for your pretty graphic displays ... ... But please forgive me I am sick and tired of the excuse of " I DID NOT KNOW " well guess what with these links now everyone can learn .... we have 1 rule now of respect ... yet no one seems to want to respect the fact that I work hard on my graphic's and when one is hotlinked from underneath me when I can hardly pay for my site that is not fair to just claim " ooops I did not know " follow the links and learn about it ... it is wrong ... on the of site has a great example .... if your power got turned off at your house would you take a power cord and hook it up to the next house without asking them so when they got their power bill it would twice or 3 x the amount it should be ... well that is what happens in essence when people steal bandwidth .... the information is out there for you to find ... there should be no reason to claim you did not know you were doing something wrong ... with JD's health we are on a tight budget and this is something that makes me happy to have and I will not see it taken away ciz someone steals it away ....
                  I think that's a little hypocritical, considering your website is full of other people's artwork, for which you give them no credit, you know?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Nantonos
                    Putting content on a server in a global hypermedia system means that you are making it available for linking. If you want finer grained access control to that resource, use finer grained access control (as you indicated that you already do, although apparently you serve rude images rather than using the built-in features of HTTP).
                    I had a link to an outside image once. It was for a banner exchange. Well, I had not kept up with those exchanges for awhile and someone contacted me via email about a disturbing picture on this site. I went to the banner page and saw a banner that had HARDCORE PORN on it. Penetration. With the message, stop stealing my bandwidth.

                    That's wrong. There are no telling how many kids saw that. The message could have been given without all of that nonsense.

                    Oh, and this was a Pagan site, btw. That did this. They are no longer in operation either...although I can't take credit for that.
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                    • #40
                      I save the images I use to my hard drive, and then upload the pics from there, associating the proper link to the image. I do this because I hope I avoid the issue of bandwidth theft that way. And because most folks ask me to. And I am happy to accomodate their wishes, after all, it is their image I want to use. Seems like common curtesy to me.

                      Now, having said that: if anyone ever finds that I have accidently linked directly to you, please don't just moan and complain about it - tell me. I'll be happy to fix my error.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mol
                        I had a link to an outside image once. It was for a banner exchange. Well, I had not kept up with those exchanges for awhile and someone contacted me via email about a disturbing picture on this site. I went to the banner page and saw a banner that had HARDCORE PORN on it. Penetration. With the message, stop stealing my bandwidth.

                        That's wrong. There are no telling how many kids saw that. The message could have been given without all of that nonsense.
                        Yes, I agree. Its irresponsible. Just use access control to give a 401 or 403 response code
                        http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html

                        I also get annoyed at sites that install right-click handlers, sometimes with abusive messages like Don't **** steal my *** images, ***!!!!!
                        . Which is irritating because I often use right-click to open a link in a new tab, for instance, and dislike being called a thief or screamed at when I try to do so.
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                        • #42
                          That Mol sure is useful. Thankyou Mol.

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                          • #43
                            Thanks again.
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                            • #44
                              Well any pictures I've used have been my own. though just last month I got into a week long debate with my webdesign teacher about anime being copy righted. she didn't understand that it is a style not a character.. and she said that my pictures looked to much like others.. well it's fricken anime of course it does.. but all the characters are my own.. like the picky under my name thats my centor Faith.. with a bird and lots of daisies becuase I like daisies and drawing wings and things.. but yeah.. anyway. So I won't have a problem with copyrights becuase I have all my pic's copyrighted already and I draw them myself....
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