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    Tobacco is just about the most commonly available herb to us, and I'm wondering about it's use in magick? Any of you use it regularly? What are some of it's correspondences?

    Darbla




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    Hello Darbla - Louise did a reading for you back in the spring under her old account. How are the birds?

    I know people who use tobacco, and I know some of them cast spells, but I think the people who consciously use smoking as a way of channelling or in magick spells use something stronger than tobacco. Some do it to get rid of the beings in their head too, but they are safely where they should be now so you can rest easy on that score. A friend of mine was glad to get out of politics into an asylum and come off the weed at the same time...it's that bad sometimes. When I was in office I also used to have to have regular amnesties, but I think the only magickal thing they got from using it was a craving for crisps and chocolate.

    I don't smoke, because I have asthma and my father died of cancer, but I don't stop people smoking around me (mostly because they hit me if I try).
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    • #3
      I don't use it regularly, but you may want to loko up Shamanism and Native American beliefs. Maybe something with the peace pipe and the Buffalo Woman (woman associated with the white buffalo and providing the sacred pipe.) Maybe it could work to offer to air? You'd want to look it up but since it's blown out into air it could be related, but research first cause its a guess from me.

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      • #4
        A few of my tribe mates from Cherokee use tobacco as offerings to the nature people, and leave extra if they take anything from the forest. It can also be smoked, and the rise can read like tea leaves for future predictions.

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        • #5
          I use it quite often in my NA practices.
          Its very sacred.
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          • #6
            In my tradition, Tobacco is associated with " peace" and tranquility. For this reason it is frequently employed in rituals aimed at that objective. Tobacco is an herb of Mars and as such it has alot of power and force behind it. Tobacco smokers know that the herb relaxes them and that is why they use it. The same effect is evident when a bit of tobacco is added to an incense or oil.

            It is also used as an offering to different Spirits in many cases.
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            • #7
              I leave loose pipe tobacco as an offering. But the sacred NA pipe tobacco is a mix. You can get it from www.crazycrow.com

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              • #8
                I've used tobacco as a cleansing agent in several rituals before. I associate the herb with a sense of peace and relief, so use it to encourage that. I try to use the higher-quality tobacco, that hasn't been processed or had additives mixed with it. Up until this past month, I've been a smoker who rolls my own with high-end cigarette tobacco or pipe tobacco, so I would just use whatever I had around the house if I needed it. Now I use whatever blend my husband is smoking at the moment if need be.

                I've also known some magick users to keep just a pack of regular domestic cigarettes in their portable altar/magick tote "just in case." Makes for a good emergency cleanser at Powwows, circles, or other meetups.
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                • #9
                  using tobacco from cigarettes is NOT a good idea, IMO. It is treated with SO many harmful chemicals. BUT--getting straight tobacco from a pipe shop or some sort works great.

                  We use as offering to the land wights along with cornmeal.

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                  • #10
                    Many Botanicas also sell Tobbacco in pouches to be used for offerings.
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                    • #11
                      I always keep some tobacco with in hands reach for such purposes. I was a smoker in my teens, but quit because of financial constraints. (Lucky enough it seems to not have been blessed with the gene requisite for addiction to nicotine) But I either keep a pack of Camel Unfiltered or at least a pouch of Bugler around, something without filters at least.
                      Anyway, I use it for both method and ceremony. Seeing as its use as a stimulant and as an herb of peace, me and my colleagues have found it indespinsible when engaging with entities one-on-one or as a group.
                      But that is just from this one guys perspective.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Darbla View Post
                        Tobacco is just about the most commonly available herb to us, and I'm wondering about it's use in magick? Any of you use it regularly? What are some of it's correspondences?

                        Darbla

                        From my experience and training, over the past 20 years or so, from what Iknow of, and have also used for successfully, tobacco is used for hexes, as well as banishing spells.

                        It has a very hot, fiery vibration to it. It's best to get it in a bag form, not from a cigarette, unless you intend to use it against a person, then it should be used from the person's cigarette itself, as this would make an excellent relic.

                        As any more information on this should go in the MW Dark forum, I'll leave it at that.

                        I won't get into the actual uses, and practices of it, as for one, I am oathbound not to, and two, it's just not very good manners. And I've never just started teaching someone a spell that I don't even know, much less is not my Acolyte.

                        But there is my 2 pence.

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                        • #13
                          I don't know about it's use in spell work, but I know it's valued in some shaman practices for it's mind altering effects.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Darbla View Post
                            Tobacco is just about the most commonly available herb to us, and I'm wondering about it's use in magick? Any of you use it regularly? What are some of it's correspondences?

                            Darbla
                            Two words:

                            Ancestors

                            Crossroads (Any entities associated there with, as well as gatekeepers, or any entity whose sigil is mostly four right angels making a cross-section)

                            It is used to traverse the barrier between worlds,
                            Also for practices that would fall under "Samadhi"
                            To go beyond distinctions, barriers and categorizations.

                            Saturn,
                            Induces much contemplation, an herb of philosophical merit.
                            Existential thoughts.

                            Originally posted by HedwigHarfang View Post
                            Hello Darbla - Louise did a reading for you back in the spring under her old account. How are the birds?

                            I know people who use tobacco, and I know some of them cast spells, but I think the people who consciously use smoking as a way of channelling or in magick spells use something stronger than tobacco. Some do it to get rid of the beings in their head too, but they are safely where they should be now so you can rest easy on that score. A friend of mine was glad to get out of politics into an asylum and come off the weed at the same time...it's that bad sometimes. When I was in office I also used to have to have regular amnesties, but I think the only magickal thing they got from using it was a craving for crisps and chocolate.

                            I don't smoke, because I have asthma and my father died of cancer, but I don't stop people smoking around me (mostly because they hit me if I try).
                            That is correct, we use a plant called Nicotiana Rustica, Tobaccos wilder non-commercially cultivated kin.
                            It is a lot more potent it its affects of relaxation and contemplation though I would not say it is as addictive.

                            Commercial tobacco is Nicotiana Tobaccum, which obviously has a calming affect but it is much more subtle whereas with Rustica, it is excellent for meditation.
                            Also, a little of it goes a long way.

                            Originally posted by LadyCelt View Post
                            I don't use it regularly, but you may want to loko up Shamanism and Native American beliefs. Maybe something with the peace pipe and the Buffalo Woman (woman associated with the white buffalo and providing the sacred pipe.) Maybe it could work to offer to air? You'd want to look it up but since it's blown out into air it could be related, but research first cause its a guess from me.
                            Different tribes have different stories about the pipe.
                            The Cherokee story involves a huntress, a giant antlered snake and a a hidden mystical lake.
                            Some might tell you we didn't have a tribal ceremonial pipe like that, that the closest thing was the seven-fold pipe of the council of old and that
                            Cherokee all carry their own pipe. That is true now and we do carry our own pipes, Tobacco is used in much medicine but we did have a 'Peace Pipe' ounce
                            we still have stories about it. It was made a certain way, different from the personal pipes you see in that it was kept as two pieces, put together only during certain times.
                            Fire and Air, Tobacco is very much of the fire but it is also very much of air in its use in prayar.
                            Both are messengers. Fire is considered extremly extremely sacred by most tribes and air is often seen as a messenger between fire/spirit here on earth and the heavenly fire of
                            <insert supreme being here>

                            Originally posted by RunningRiot View Post
                            A few of my tribe mates from Cherokee use tobacco as offerings to the nature people, and leave extra if they take anything from the forest. It can also be smoked, and the rise can read like tea leaves for future predictions.
                            Yep, we leave it for the little folk, plants, ancestors you name it. Tobacco represents tradition. Hummingbird brought the tobacco back, brought tradition back and when others share traditions with us we offer them some tobacco. It is an ackowledgement of the meaning that they have shared. There are various names for tobacco just as Tsola and Agvyvla - "Ancient One". It was the first herb given to us, to be consulted before learning about any other herb or entity even. Tobacco brings clarity, of were to go on journeys to find what you need to help yourself or others. It is used to know what medicine is needed, to be in tune with the way of things. It helps bring Tohi, a state of deep liberation and peace, the attainment from the practice of Dyugodv - the way, the balance and the truth, the guiding principle by which all ways, virtues, true wisdom of things beyond illusion and honor of our people are derived.

                            So Tobacco is incredibly, incredibly sacred.

                            There are special medicine words to consecrate it,
                            That's all I'll say here about that.

                            Originally posted by omar View Post
                            I leave loose pipe tobacco as an offering. But the sacred NA pipe tobacco is a mix. You can get it from www.crazycrow.com
                            Not all tribes prepare their tobacco the same way, if it does not signify a tribe or any kind of such indication it is most likely not a legitimate native blend.
                            It may indeed be good stuff but beware claims of historical authenticity.
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                            • #15
                              I'm pretty sure it has uses in Voodoo and Santeria.
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