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    Do you need one for a spell? If not what do you cast them for?-to perform magic yes but I am still not sure the difference between magic and a spell

    I have a few cunningham books but he seems to go right into tools and symbols without much beforehand-I guess I am looking for theory rather than methods if that makes sense

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    It depends on the paradigm. Some magical systems will not work without the Circle. For others, it's unnecessary. Summoning a daemon or servitor always requires some kind of Circle, either to attract the entity or trap it. All Ceremonial Magick uses them. Indeed, it's one of CM's defining characteristics. While any kind of group theological system will either have a permanent Sacred Space (ie. a church) or construct a temporary one as needed, simple thaumaturgy rarely needs one since it's assumed you would only pray to a god that is already friendly. Potion brewing, kitchen witchery and herbalism rarely use a formal Circle, though one might be implied if the kitchen itself is considered sacred ground. Combat magic, of course, seldom allows the time for formal Circles. Reiki doesn't use one, though the space is often otherwise prepared.

    As for the difference between magic and a spell, magic can have any origin but a spell requires Intent.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Daecon View Post
      It depends on the paradigm. Some magical systems will not work without the Circle. For others, it's unnecessary. Summoning a daemon or servitor always requires some kind of Circle, either to attract the entity or trap it. All Ceremonial Magick uses them. Indeed, it's one of CM's defining characteristics. While any kind of group theological system will either have a permanent Sacred Space (ie. a church) or construct a temporary one as needed, simple thaumaturgy rarely needs one since it's assumed you would only pray to a god that is already friendly. Potion brewing, kitchen witchery and herbalism rarely use a formal Circle, though one might be implied if the kitchen itself is considered sacred ground. Combat magic, of course, seldom allows the time for formal Circles. Reiki doesn't use one, though the space is often otherwise prepared.

      As for the difference between magic and a spell, magic can have any origin but a spell requires Intent.
      Wow that was extremely helpful!!!

      Can you recommend a book to learn more about attracting (a positive) entity?

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      • #4
        Generally speaking if if you have to ask, no you probably wont need one.
        for most practical workings it is not needed.

        A circle does three things:
        I. Provides a hermetically sealed space for soulful and spiritual influences so that one may be subjected to specific forces.
        Meaning, one should think of it as a laboratory or closed system in which one can control a great number of variables.
        you might not need a circle but might want less influence from outside of a defined working area and hence use a circle.
        Which leads us to the second point.
        II. Protection, circles are often used to protect the practitioner from undesired or harmful influence, and is prescribed when dealing with un familiar or troublesome entities.
        III. A circle will concentrate the atmosphere you are building up with your conjurations, invocations and evocations.
        This makes for a more potent experience at times, and it is also a great way to localize the effects of a rite, helping to mitigate influence son others in the area.

        Depending these three things depending on how you cast a circle, it can become an extension and reinforcement of your own sphere of influence/subtle body.

        Originally posted by Daecon View Post
        It depends on the paradigm. Some magical systems will not work without the Circle. For others, it's unnecessary. Summoning a daemon or servitor always requires some kind of Circle, either to attract the entity or trap it. All Ceremonial Magick uses them. Indeed, it's one of CM's defining characteristics. While any kind of group theological system will either have a permanent Sacred Space (ie. a church) or construct a temporary one as needed, simple thaumaturgy rarely needs one since it's assumed you would only pray to a god that is already friendly. Potion brewing, kitchen witchery and herbalism rarely use a formal Circle, though one might be implied if the kitchen itself is considered sacred ground. Combat magic, of course, seldom allows the time for formal Circles. Reiki doesn't use one, though the space is often otherwise prepared.

        As for the difference between magic and a spell, magic can have any origin but a spell requires Intent.
        the circle does tend to get the attention of entities if it is built up on the subtle level, however it is the triangle that is used to restrain and trap, at least in the Solomonic Tradition.
        i've seen so called "devils traps" which employ a circle however in each instead these have been circle lamens which are used to subject works over shades/daemons, compelling to to act in accord and not actual circles of arte. For example one "devils trap" you commonly see is actually the Pentacle of Solomon, which is not an operative circle but a sign of authority the magician wears on their person, or perhaps sets on the altar as a pentacle, working as a locus, focus and seat of authority for the work at hand.

        Combat magic eh? that's why you consecrate your Sixth Seal of Mars before hand and carry it on your person.
        talismans are create for that, so you can kee the forces brought into the circle with you where-ever you go, in miniature.
        Because you don't just consecrate with Mars if you want it excellent, . you call Martian entities at the stations of the circle and ask them to asist you you in ensouling and consecrate your talisman.

        Also, the Aurum Solis has a technique of tracing the planetary seals of the Kamea as invoking or banishing gates (like the pentagrams) so that you can essentially use the Kamea as planetary batteries.
        Tsalagi Nvwoti Didahnvwesgi Ale Didahnesesgi
        (Cherokee medicine practitioner of left and right hand paths)
        anikutani.stfu-kthx.net - The Anikutani Tradition

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