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  • #31
    Originally posted by FairieSpirit View Post
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Drouach View Post
      The positive thing I like about the New Age is the freedom to express oneself and to follow spiritual paths wherever they lead.

      I used to like the open-mindedness...but realised that New Agies can be just as closed minded as pagans, christians or other groups. It's a certain population of humans that close their minds once they have found their religion or spiritual path...it's a fact of life.
      I agree, every group has it's close minded bigots and idiots.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RainInanna View Post
        David, visualization is perhaps the first technique anyone should learn to do magic. It has widespread use in Wicca on its own in affirmations and as part of spells.

        I don't think spells are harder, I just think they're more complicated. Whereas you might call visualization easier than spellwork, I call spellwork too much complexity tacked on simple visualization and energy work. As I've said in other threads on spellwork, I don't remember the last time I did spells, because ongoing energy work and visualization remove the need to do so. I call it more effective.
        True, although, in some forms of magic, visualization can be more of a crutch, than a necessary part. Personally, I can visualize, but, it just doesn't do anything for me, there's always a part of me that's thinking this is just in my head, maybe it works for others, and good for them, but, for me, I focus more on feeling the energy, focusing it, and using it to do magic, etc.

        Not sure if I explained that well, but, that's how I do things.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Agaliha View Post
          I don't see how this is only a New Age problem. It can be found in Paganism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and all kinds of paths. You can have a Pagan, Wicca, etc who reads tons of books, knows all the rituals and lingo, but doesn't really practice their path. You can have a Christian who knows the Bible through and through, but doesn't practice the qualities within it, such as compassion and understanding and instead judges people. Etc, etc. etc. This isn't limited to New Age. There has to be a balance between practice and researching/learning, I think.

          I also don't see how the actions of those people that don't walk the walk as you put it, would turn you off to a whole idea, belief system and path. There are plenty of people that are part of the New Age movement that do practice their path. Just as their are plenty of Christians, Pagans, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc that do as well. And besides all paths are going to have problems, none are perfect.

          As for the questions I asked, do you have anything to add there? I was hoping to get some feedback to help with discussions and whatnot.
          My Sweet......."I said the "term" New Age" is what I do not like...not the whole concept....as I practice what is classed as New Age
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          • #35
            Also would add Hawaiian spirituality (huna), Shamanism, and Rumi's teachings.
            Om Namah Shivaya.

            "Im finding seeking the sacred, well, that its rather like falling in love, the harder you seek it, the less likely it is to happen." - Brightshores

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RainInanna View Post
              Also would add Hawaiian spirituality (huna), Shamanism, and Rumi's teachings.
              Could Shamanism and Hawaiian spirituality/Huna be classed as New Age?, it's just that they're pretty old traditions, and shamanism has existed in pretty much every culture, since the Dawn of Time.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by David19 View Post
                Could Shamanism and Hawaiian spirituality/Huna be classed as New Age?, it's just that they're pretty old traditions, and shamanism has existed in pretty much every culture, since the Dawn of Time.
                Same could be said for Rumi's teachings, which are part of Sufism. Sufism being an old part of Islam. Some say that there isn't any Sufism without Islam, that you can't separate them, though some have tried (ie Universal Sufism, which is more acceptable to those that can't handle all the Islam associations, but even there you can see Islam in it). There is no doubt, though that Sufism is a old and large part of Islam, not New Age...

                I just think the issue is with these other (older) beliefs is that they're being co-opted by New Age and at times, twisted to fit the love, light and the do what feels right thing. I have seen various New Age sites that mention Sufism and it is different than what Sufism really is...Heh. It was only recently too, that I saw New Age books for "Huna Spirituality," things like this--

                Origins of Huna: Secret Behind the Secret Science by Shelley Kaehr
                Huna: Ancient Hawaiian Secrets for Modern Living by Serge Kahili King

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                • #38
                  IMO people that practice "New Age" a lot of times take from a religion or spiritual practice and use it i n their own without practicing the "whole" of the religion.....I practice much native american spirituality, not to the letter....as I live a totally different life...NA spirituality was a way of life not a "practice" per say...I find Sufism very interesting....I believe in Jesus and God.....yet I am not really Christian....I am a solitary practicioner....so what works for me I use...."I am not sure that their are two "New Age" practioners the same....do they congrigate as a religious cerimony or a coven might...I do not know..
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                  • #39
                    I just think the issue is with these other (older) beliefs is that they're being co-opted by New Age and at times, twisted to fit the love, light and the do what feels right thing.

                    why do you say that "New Age" is about twisiting to fit the love, light and what ever feels right thing..

                    most pagen practices are not followed to the "Letter of the Old Ways"...there are some that do yet many who do not

                    I find your statement very Rude.....in my opionion it is an immature and a statment made out of ignorance of the whole of "New Age"....
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                    • #40
                      Could Shamanism and Hawaiian spirituality/Huna be classed as New Age?, it's just that they're pretty old traditions, and shamanism has existed in pretty much every culture, since the Dawn of Time.
                      Spiritualism is lumped in as well even though the tradition is as old as human society. The practice was named Spiritualism in the 19th century.

                      The New Age movement is an eclectic mish mash of any spiritual tradition that a person wants to attach to themself.

                      We have to remember that it was the Hippy movement that first coined this term.



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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Darth Brooks View Post
                        I do know that in many bookstores they tend to lump all the pagan, Wiccan, and magic books under "New Age," which I find vaguely insulting. Why can't our stuff be included in the "Religion" section like all the "world religions" are? I don't think of myself as "New Age," but more like "Crotchety Old School."
                        I think the bookstores do so because people in America mostly are just now becoming more open to Wicca and Pagan stuff including metaphysical things. It's not that it has finally been "discovered" its only been "uncovered" or "rediscovered". But I do understand where you're coming from. Pagan, Wiccan and other magic books should be placed under the "Religion" section because they do deal with dieties and doctrines for those who follow them, while "New Age" stuff deals with the self and new paths to create.

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                        • #42
                          1. A severe allergy to anything that smacks of tradition.

                          2. Everything that happens you chose.

                          3. A belief that thought alone makes the universe change.

                          4. Vibrations on everything.

                          5. Crystals are able to heal people generate energy, light a room, do your taxes, and cook dinner.

                          6. A distinct disney-like view of the world in which nothing is ever bad, wrong or dangerous.

                          Probably if I had to discribe the stereotype of the new ager, it would be that hey think the Universe is about them. Not my thing, but if it floats your boat, that's fine.

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                          • #43
                            Although I am guilty of being attached to my"vibrations" and I may be a bit new agey compared to some,what I noticed is a tendency to feel spacey, and quickly ungrounded when I am reading what I term "New Age" material.
                            There is such an outpouring of effusive, energy that I feel drained.Can you all relate?
                            My first thoughts about what feels New Agey to me is The Secret and that "Fire The Grid "movement.But I also think that these people who are new age may be working with different energies that are real but not in tune with my "vibration".(hehe).
                            Too much of the Angels and Ascended Masters,White Light Brotherhood and that crowd give me a headache,lol.Hope no one takes offense:bigredgri

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                            • #44
                              Sure New Agers can be "fluffy" but they are no more nonsensical than the Wiccans/Witches and assorted pagans who consider themselves theriomorphs, otherkin or whatever. So believing one is a fairy, a werewolf or vampire is more sane than believing that one can channel beings from the Pleides or the Andromeda Galaxy? For Goddess' sake Crowley's Aiwass is the equivalent of a channeled entity in that It dictated the Book of the Law which is a sacred book to one of the occult world's most respected orders (the OTO).

                              In regards to being other than human such as is claimed by some pagans...If one person can somehow prove to me that they are somehow anything other than a normal human with an odd sense of self I will pay that person very well indeed. I apologize if this comes off as harsh.

                              This kind of shite, the self congratulatory back patting that takes place amongst pagans and ceremonial magicians, gets stuck in my throat. "We are serious, THEY (usually New Agers) are not."

                              New Agers are all about White Light. Ok, well Wiccans/Witches/Pagans are nothing more than folks who live life as a Ren Fair rejects...with our robes, wands and swords. Crystals and "vibes" are nonsense...oh yeah but making incense according to specific magickal correspondences ("vibes") is legitimate spiritual practice? Contacting astral spirits and evoking the demons of the Goetia is much, much more reasonable than dealing with ascended masters?!?!

                              Think about it.

                              I'm not a New Ager but we pagans need to get over ourselves. Compared to New Agers, in the eyes of mainstream society, we are the fringe nuts. Regular folks may see New Agers as goofy but they often see us as crazy, scary or even dangerous. We work with spiritual principles that, at best, weren't considered rational since the Middle Ages (magick, the elements, spells, evocation, etc.) at the latest. I see the flaws in New Age methodologies from a magickal perspective as well as the relentless materialism that seems to infect much of the subculture (such as The Secret) but I don't see the flaws in New Agism as being somehow worse than the nonsense that infects our OH SO DEEP AND SERIOUS pagan paths.

                              How about we remove the plank from our own eyes before we judge the legitimacy of other's spiritual paths.


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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Sundragon View Post
                                Sure New Agers can be "fluffy" but they are no more nonsensical than the Wiccans/Witches and assorted pagans who consider themselves theriomorphs, otherkin or whatever. So believing one is a fairy, a werewolf or vampire is more sane than believing that one can channel beings from the Pleides or the Andromeda Galaxy? For Goddess' sake Crowley's Aiwass is the equivalent of a channeled entity in that It dictated the Book of the Law which is a sacred book to one of the occult world's most respected orders (the OTO).

                                In regards to being other than human such as is claimed by some pagans...If one person can somehow prove to me that they are somehow anything other than a normal human with an odd sense of self I will pay that person very well indeed. I apologize if this comes off as harsh.

                                This kind of shite, the self congratulatory back patting that takes place amongst pagans and ceremonial magicians, gets stuck in my throat. "We are serious, THEY (usually New Agers) are not."

                                New Agers are all about White Light. Ok, well Wiccans/Witches/Pagans are nothing more than folks who live life as a Ren Fair rejects...with our robes, wands and swords. Crystals and "vibes" are nonsense...oh yeah but making incense according to specific magickal correspondences ("vibes") is legitimate spiritual practice? Contacting astral spirits and evoking the demons of the Goetia is much, much more reasonable than dealing with ascended masters?!?!

                                Think about it.

                                I'm not a New Ager but we pagans need to get over ourselves. Compared to New Agers, in the eyes of mainstream society, we are the fringe nuts. Regular folks may see New Agers as goofy but they often see us as crazy, scary or even dangerous. We work with spiritual principles that, at best, weren't considered rational since the Middle Ages (magick, the elements, spells, evocation, etc.) at the latest. I see the flaws in New Age methodologies from a magickal perspective as well as the relentless materialism that seems to infect much of the subculture (such as The Secret) but I don't see the flaws in New Agism as being somehow worse than the nonsense that infects our OH SO DEEP AND SERIOUS pagan paths.

                                How about we remove the plank from our own eyes before we judge the legitimacy of other's spiritual paths.


                                )o( Blessed Be,

                                Sundragon
                                I don't have a problem with you being New Age, I simply have theological issues with being new age myself. I would also have a hard time with other paths. Not my thing, but I'm really not going to judge it outright as evil.

                                I do use incense -- but I use the ones that the Greco-Roman tradition says is what the gods like. I don't know about vibrations and so on -- maybe that's why they like frankensence and myrrh?

                                Personally I don't believe in otherkin or some of the odder beliefs about crystals. As I said earlier I've read things on atlantis that have crystals being a power source, a light source and a healing device. I don't think that makes a whole lotta sense. Maybe they have something that might attract spirits of healing or whatever, but they aren't some sort of cosmic swiss army knife.

                                As for people having the idea that the whole universe is there for them -- I'll have to quote a famous astronomer "the universe is really good at finding ways to kill us". Look at the vastness of space and say it's about you -- I can't.

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