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  • Louisvillian
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    I don't think of New Age in terms of specific practices and beliefs. Much like Neopaganism, which it was influenced by and has in turn influenced over the years, it has its roots in Theosophy and the Western Occult revival of the 19th and 20th centuries. They have too similar a set of practices and ideas for me to really differentiate and characterise over that.
    Instead, I think of "New Age" as an attitude. It's decidedly more urban than the somewhat agrarian and pastoralist attitude paganism theoretically espouses. Perhaps when it started up, it was an attempt to take neopagan and occult ideas and apply them to a very modern, arguably postmodern, setting: the contemporary city or suburban neighbourhood. But it has morphed into what I see as an attitude of irresponsible eclecticism. When I think "New Ager" I think of the kind of person that mixes watered-down, westernised Hindu mysticism, Greek classical elements and astrology, "crystal healing," and Amerindian folk beliefs with no regard for the historical and cultural context in which those things originated. It's irresponsible, and arguably insulting to the culture from which those pieces are drawn. Overall, it feels like a very shallow and insincere approach, concerned with the trappings and appearance of spirituality and depth rather than actual effort.
    I also associate it with homoeopathy. Which really is the nail in the coffin, for me.
    Last edited by Louisvillian; June 12th, 2012, 10:05 AM.

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  • Godgifu
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    The first visualization I get when I hear "New Age" is of crystal therapy or using gems like rose quartz to heal. (Even though I know the belief of deriving magical benefit of stones goes back a long ways.)

    Other things that I seem to think of when I hear New Age: past life regression, essential oil based aromatherapy, singing bowls, and also people who have that sort of weird "troubled peace" about them (like they've intellectually learned what they need to be happy but it's not really how they feel in their heart.)

    Bear in mind I lived in Santa Fe for about 17 years... there's New Age for you...

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  • Aeon Flux
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    New Age = spiritualities influenced by the "New Age"/Modern Times = Wicca, recons and everything in between... in one sense.

    In another, it can also mean spiritualities influenced by the belief that we are entering a new age/age of aquarious crowd.

    suspect it depends on your definition of the word.

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  • C. Iulia Regilia
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    Originally posted by Sundragon View Post
    I am not New Age as I stated in my previous post. I am a Wiccan who has studied a number of paths for more than 20yrs and am simply attempting to be objective and fair in my understanding of what New Age is.

    I use incense and use frankensence and myrrh myself for rituals of devotion as well as oil of the same type for general anointing purposes. The attributions we use, the attributes the ancients used, are based on the concept of sympathetic resonance. For whatever reason certain substances are more amenable to certain types of workings. This is an ancient magickal principle.
    I don't see much in the sources I've seen that suggest anybody prior thought that the incence had a vibration. It was mostly because it had a smell that the gods like. Sort of like mom's favorite perfume -- it's about the odor as far as I can tell. Though I confess my ignorance of Magicks.

    The "vibes" New Age types speak about is similar. For example, a certain stone such as rose quartz is good for increasing feelings of love. This is sympathetic resonance or the stone's "vibes" which relate to love. Its the same as in magick, plain and simple.
    perhaps, or it could be that spirts that reside in stone pick certain types. I guess I'm potato potahto on this stuff.



    Well the otherkin thing is something I have found exclusively within Pagan subculture and for a pagan to claim that they aren't actually human (without any evidence whatsoever) is just as strange as a New Ager claiming to be part alien or something. The otherkin belief system seems rooted in a misunderstanding of shamanic workings in which one connects with the spirit of the wolf, for example, or astrally shapeshifts into non-human forms. Like many things, it appears to be a misunderstanding rooted in a reality.
    Probably. But these are newish phenomena as well. No ancient I'm aware of ever claimed to be a wolf. The only reference to a man becoming a wolf in Greek thought was turned into a wolf as a punishment for human sacrifice.

    Well I'm not into the Atlantis thing myself except as a curiosity or the use of crystals as light generators and whatnot. I don't buy it myself but again these things are no odder than some of the beliefs held by our fellow Pagans.
    Well, I do suspect that civilization may be older than we think it is. Maybe not a place called Atlantis, but highly advanced civilizations perhaps prior to the ice ages. It just always seems weird to me that humans could have existed for 100K years and only develop agriculture and civilization within the last 10K to 20K years. It doesn't fit very well. I don't think that the crystal lights thing makes much sense -- craystals are pretty good focusing agents (like in lasers) but not good for radiating energy like lightbulbs.



    This belief is found not only in New Age thinking but amongst some fundamentalist Christians who believe that the Earth is the spiritual center of the universe and that God placed the stars in the sky just for us to enjoy. Ultimately we can find all the oddness found in New Age beliefs both closer to home amongst Pagans and farther afield in other religions.

    The universe isn't for us in the small egioc sense but it is about the underlying consciousness we may call God or Goddess or Tao. We are intimately connected to this All That Is and share in the fundamental life of the cosmos as individualized manifestations of Infinite Consciousness. The universe isn't about the self, it's about the Self. This isn't New Age thinking but the thinking of cross-cultural mysticism throughout the ages.


    )o( Blessed Be,

    Sundragon[/quote]

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  • phathead
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    Anything that can not show a verifiable history of at least several hundred years.

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  • Sundragon
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    Originally posted by C. Iulia Regilia View Post
    I don't have a problem with you being New Age, I simply have theological issues with being new age myself. I would also have a hard time with other paths. Not my thing, but I'm really not going to judge it outright as evil.
    I am not New Age as I stated in my previous post. I am a Wiccan who has studied a number of paths for more than 20yrs and am simply attempting to be objective and fair in my understanding of what New Age is.

    I do use incense -- but I use the ones that the Greco-Roman tradition says is what the gods like. I don't know about vibrations and so on -- maybe that's why they like frankensence and myrrh?
    I use incense and use frankensence and myrrh myself for rituals of devotion as well as oil of the same type for general anointing purposes. The attributions we use, the attributes the ancients used, are based on the concept of sympathetic resonance. For whatever reason certain substances are more amenable to certain types of workings. This is an ancient magickal principle.

    The "vibes" New Age types speak about is similar. For example, a certain stone such as rose quartz is good for increasing feelings of love. This is sympathetic resonance or the stone's "vibes" which relate to love. Its the same as in magick, plain and simple.

    Personally I don't believe in otherkin or some of the odder beliefs about crystals. As I said earlier I've read things on atlantis that have crystals being a power source, a light source and a healing device. I don't think that makes a whole lotta sense. Maybe they have something that might attract spirits of healing or whatever, but they aren't some sort of cosmic swiss army knife.
    Well the otherkin thing is something I have found exclusively within Pagan subculture and for a pagan to claim that they aren't actually human (without any evidence whatsoever) is just as strange as a New Ager claiming to be part alien or something. The otherkin belief system seems rooted in a misunderstanding of shamanic workings in which one connects with the spirit of the wolf, for example, or astrally shapeshifts into non-human forms. Like many things, it appears to be a misunderstanding rooted in a reality.

    Well I'm not into the Atlantis thing myself except as a curiosity or the use of crystals as light generators and whatnot. I don't buy it myself but again these things are no odder than some of the beliefs held by our fellow Pagans.

    As for people having the idea that the whole universe is there for them -- I'll have to quote a famous astronomer "the universe is really good at finding ways to kill us". Look at the vastness of space and say it's about you -- I can't.
    This belief is found not only in New Age thinking but amongst some fundamentalist Christians who believe that the Earth is the spiritual center of the universe and that God placed the stars in the sky just for us to enjoy. Ultimately we can find all the oddness found in New Age beliefs both closer to home amongst Pagans and farther afield in other religions.

    The universe isn't for us in the small egioc sense but it is about the underlying consciousness we may call God or Goddess or Tao. We are intimately connected to this All That Is and share in the fundamental life of the cosmos as individualized manifestations of Infinite Consciousness. The universe isn't about the self, it's about the Self. This isn't New Age thinking but the thinking of cross-cultural mysticism throughout the ages.


    )o( Blessed Be,

    Sundragon
    Last edited by Sundragon; November 21st, 2010, 01:27 AM.

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  • C. Iulia Regilia
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    Originally posted by Sundragon View Post
    Sure New Agers can be "fluffy" but they are no more nonsensical than the Wiccans/Witches and assorted pagans who consider themselves theriomorphs, otherkin or whatever. So believing one is a fairy, a werewolf or vampire is more sane than believing that one can channel beings from the Pleides or the Andromeda Galaxy? For Goddess' sake Crowley's Aiwass is the equivalent of a channeled entity in that It dictated the Book of the Law which is a sacred book to one of the occult world's most respected orders (the OTO).

    In regards to being other than human such as is claimed by some pagans...If one person can somehow prove to me that they are somehow anything other than a normal human with an odd sense of self I will pay that person very well indeed. I apologize if this comes off as harsh.

    This kind of shite, the self congratulatory back patting that takes place amongst pagans and ceremonial magicians, gets stuck in my throat. "We are serious, THEY (usually New Agers) are not."

    New Agers are all about White Light. Ok, well Wiccans/Witches/Pagans are nothing more than folks who live life as a Ren Fair rejects...with our robes, wands and swords. Crystals and "vibes" are nonsense...oh yeah but making incense according to specific magickal correspondences ("vibes") is legitimate spiritual practice? Contacting astral spirits and evoking the demons of the Goetia is much, much more reasonable than dealing with ascended masters?!?!

    Think about it.

    I'm not a New Ager but we pagans need to get over ourselves. Compared to New Agers, in the eyes of mainstream society, we are the fringe nuts. Regular folks may see New Agers as goofy but they often see us as crazy, scary or even dangerous. We work with spiritual principles that, at best, weren't considered rational since the Middle Ages (magick, the elements, spells, evocation, etc.) at the latest. I see the flaws in New Age methodologies from a magickal perspective as well as the relentless materialism that seems to infect much of the subculture (such as The Secret) but I don't see the flaws in New Agism as being somehow worse than the nonsense that infects our OH SO DEEP AND SERIOUS pagan paths.

    How about we remove the plank from our own eyes before we judge the legitimacy of other's spiritual paths.


    )o( Blessed Be,

    Sundragon
    I don't have a problem with you being New Age, I simply have theological issues with being new age myself. I would also have a hard time with other paths. Not my thing, but I'm really not going to judge it outright as evil.

    I do use incense -- but I use the ones that the Greco-Roman tradition says is what the gods like. I don't know about vibrations and so on -- maybe that's why they like frankensence and myrrh?

    Personally I don't believe in otherkin or some of the odder beliefs about crystals. As I said earlier I've read things on atlantis that have crystals being a power source, a light source and a healing device. I don't think that makes a whole lotta sense. Maybe they have something that might attract spirits of healing or whatever, but they aren't some sort of cosmic swiss army knife.

    As for people having the idea that the whole universe is there for them -- I'll have to quote a famous astronomer "the universe is really good at finding ways to kill us". Look at the vastness of space and say it's about you -- I can't.

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  • Sundragon
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    Sure New Agers can be "fluffy" but they are no more nonsensical than the Wiccans/Witches and assorted pagans who consider themselves theriomorphs, otherkin or whatever. So believing one is a fairy, a werewolf or vampire is more sane than believing that one can channel beings from the Pleides or the Andromeda Galaxy? For Goddess' sake Crowley's Aiwass is the equivalent of a channeled entity in that It dictated the Book of the Law which is a sacred book to one of the occult world's most respected orders (the OTO).

    In regards to being other than human such as is claimed by some pagans...If one person can somehow prove to me that they are somehow anything other than a normal human with an odd sense of self I will pay that person very well indeed. I apologize if this comes off as harsh.

    This kind of shite, the self congratulatory back patting that takes place amongst pagans and ceremonial magicians, gets stuck in my throat. "We are serious, THEY (usually New Agers) are not."

    New Agers are all about White Light. Ok, well Wiccans/Witches/Pagans are nothing more than folks who live life as a Ren Fair rejects...with our robes, wands and swords. Crystals and "vibes" are nonsense...oh yeah but making incense according to specific magickal correspondences ("vibes") is legitimate spiritual practice? Contacting astral spirits and evoking the demons of the Goetia is much, much more reasonable than dealing with ascended masters?!?!

    Think about it.

    I'm not a New Ager but we pagans need to get over ourselves. Compared to New Agers, in the eyes of mainstream society, we are the fringe nuts. Regular folks may see New Agers as goofy but they often see us as crazy, scary or even dangerous. We work with spiritual principles that, at best, weren't considered rational since the Middle Ages (magick, the elements, spells, evocation, etc.) at the latest. I see the flaws in New Age methodologies from a magickal perspective as well as the relentless materialism that seems to infect much of the subculture (such as The Secret) but I don't see the flaws in New Agism as being somehow worse than the nonsense that infects our OH SO DEEP AND SERIOUS pagan paths.

    How about we remove the plank from our own eyes before we judge the legitimacy of other's spiritual paths.


    )o( Blessed Be,

    Sundragon
    Last edited by Sundragon; November 18th, 2010, 05:12 AM.

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  • Violetsky
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    Although I am guilty of being attached to my"vibrations" and I may be a bit new agey compared to some,what I noticed is a tendency to feel spacey, and quickly ungrounded when I am reading what I term "New Age" material.
    There is such an outpouring of effusive, energy that I feel drained.Can you all relate?
    My first thoughts about what feels New Agey to me is The Secret and that "Fire The Grid "movement.But I also think that these people who are new age may be working with different energies that are real but not in tune with my "vibration".(hehe).
    Too much of the Angels and Ascended Masters,White Light Brotherhood and that crowd give me a headache,lol.Hope no one takes offense:bigredgri

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  • C. Iulia Regilia
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    1. A severe allergy to anything that smacks of tradition.

    2. Everything that happens you chose.

    3. A belief that thought alone makes the universe change.

    4. Vibrations on everything.

    5. Crystals are able to heal people generate energy, light a room, do your taxes, and cook dinner.

    6. A distinct disney-like view of the world in which nothing is ever bad, wrong or dangerous.

    Probably if I had to discribe the stereotype of the new ager, it would be that hey think the Universe is about them. Not my thing, but if it floats your boat, that's fine.

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  • StormySkies
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    Originally posted by Darth Brooks View Post
    I do know that in many bookstores they tend to lump all the pagan, Wiccan, and magic books under "New Age," which I find vaguely insulting. Why can't our stuff be included in the "Religion" section like all the "world religions" are? I don't think of myself as "New Age," but more like "Crotchety Old School."
    I think the bookstores do so because people in America mostly are just now becoming more open to Wicca and Pagan stuff including metaphysical things. It's not that it has finally been "discovered" its only been "uncovered" or "rediscovered". But I do understand where you're coming from. Pagan, Wiccan and other magic books should be placed under the "Religion" section because they do deal with dieties and doctrines for those who follow them, while "New Age" stuff deals with the self and new paths to create.

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  • Lady White Tree
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    Could Shamanism and Hawaiian spirituality/Huna be classed as New Age?, it's just that they're pretty old traditions, and shamanism has existed in pretty much every culture, since the Dawn of Time.
    Spiritualism is lumped in as well even though the tradition is as old as human society. The practice was named Spiritualism in the 19th century.

    The New Age movement is an eclectic mish mash of any spiritual tradition that a person wants to attach to themself.

    We have to remember that it was the Hippy movement that first coined this term.

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  • BearDancing
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    I just think the issue is with these other (older) beliefs is that they're being co-opted by New Age and at times, twisted to fit the love, light and the do what feels right thing.

    why do you say that "New Age" is about twisiting to fit the love, light and what ever feels right thing..

    most pagen practices are not followed to the "Letter of the Old Ways"...there are some that do yet many who do not

    I find your statement very Rude.....in my opionion it is an immature and a statment made out of ignorance of the whole of "New Age"....

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  • BearDancing
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    IMO people that practice "New Age" a lot of times take from a religion or spiritual practice and use it i n their own without practicing the "whole" of the religion.....I practice much native american spirituality, not to the letter....as I live a totally different life...NA spirituality was a way of life not a "practice" per say...I find Sufism very interesting....I believe in Jesus and God.....yet I am not really Christian....I am a solitary practicioner....so what works for me I use...."I am not sure that their are two "New Age" practioners the same....do they congrigate as a religious cerimony or a coven might...I do not know..

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  • Agaliha
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    Originally posted by David19 View Post
    Could Shamanism and Hawaiian spirituality/Huna be classed as New Age?, it's just that they're pretty old traditions, and shamanism has existed in pretty much every culture, since the Dawn of Time.
    Same could be said for Rumi's teachings, which are part of Sufism. Sufism being an old part of Islam. Some say that there isn't any Sufism without Islam, that you can't separate them, though some have tried (ie Universal Sufism, which is more acceptable to those that can't handle all the Islam associations, but even there you can see Islam in it). There is no doubt, though that Sufism is a old and large part of Islam, not New Age...

    I just think the issue is with these other (older) beliefs is that they're being co-opted by New Age and at times, twisted to fit the love, light and the do what feels right thing. I have seen various New Age sites that mention Sufism and it is different than what Sufism really is...Heh. It was only recently too, that I saw New Age books for "Huna Spirituality," things like this--

    Origins of Huna: Secret Behind the Secret Science by Shelley Kaehr
    Huna: Ancient Hawaiian Secrets for Modern Living by Serge Kahili King

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