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  • #46
    Originally posted by Twinkle View Post
    It's my opinion that they are not the same. The Romans had a very different view of the gods than the Greeks did...and did not even have mythology until the assimilation of the Greek gods and their mythology.

    The Greek deities were assimilated into the Roman Pantheon...creating a whole new set of Roman Deities with similar characteristics, but enough differences to not make the deities interchangeable.
    Thanks for the reply, and I think I can understand that, I personally would like to read more about the Roman deities, but everything seems to say Jupiter = Zeus, Juno = Hera, Venus = Aphrodite, etc.

    One of the things I've read in one book called 'Ancient Rome' by Nigel Rodgers is that Jupiter had bosses called the superiores, the hidden superior gods, as far as I know, Zeus didn't have any bosses like that.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Philosophia View Post
      Nope, not the same. They had similar characteristics but they weren't the same. Here is a good article about it: Greek vs Roman Mythology
      Thanks for the link .

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      • #48
        [QUOTE=Son of Goddess;3239425][QUOTE=David19;3239249]I've got a question, do you know if the Roman gods are the same as the Greek ones, as I've heard that they're not really (like Venus, in both mythology and beliefs isn't the same as Aphrodite, neither are Hestia and Vesta, etc).

        Also, what are some good books on the Roman gods?.

        Twinkle said it well. My view is that the Roman Dii Consentes and the Greek Olympians are two different cultural views of the same Divine Immortal. I justify this via the Interpretatio Romana, which literally means "Roman translation".

        Ritually speaking, I think it is incorrect to invoke Zeus in a Roman ritual and vice versa of Jupiter in a Hellenic ritual.

        Robert Turcan's Gods of Ancient Rome and Cults of the Roman Empire are excellent. Mary Beard's Roman Religion: Volume I and Volume II are also great resources.
        Thanks for the book recommendations, I've heard some good things about Turcan's 'Gods of Ancient Rome', do you know if he goes into the Jupiter=Zeus, etc thing?.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by David19 View Post
          Thanks for the book recommendations, I've heard some good things about Turcan's 'Gods of Ancient Rome', do you know if he goes into the Jupiter=Zeus, etc thing?.
          You're welcome.

          He doesn't, insofar of what I have read of his works. I know The Gods of Ancient Rome doesn't go into it. And from what I know of, few scholarly books actually venture into the reasons *why* a Roman God and a Greek God are equated. It has been, for years if not decades or centuries, been a simple academic assumption that one is the same as the other.

          But I do not believe such similarities should call for the equation of two things. White gold and silver are awefully similar in appearance, but anyone can tell you they are different. The Norns and the Fates are similar, but I haven't found any Asatruar or Cultor Deorum who uses the other cultures deity names.

          May I ask why you are interested in Jupiter = Zeus?

          I can tell you that A) They both derive from the same Indo-European source Dyaus-Pitar and B) that They share similar functions/powers. However, as the cultures divided and grew up on their own, their views changed and were influenced differently but They [Jupiter/Zeus] did remain with the basic core of who/what They were. Are They the same? I will say no, because one must take into account the ways of worship, the mythology, and "use" of the deity by the culture into truly determining exactly *who* the deity is.

          I find that Jupiter and Zeus have two very different feels to Them, as Ares and Mars are very different in nature.

          Its kind of the like the relationship with me and my cousin. *allegory time* If you go back, we come from the same source (our shared grandparents). We are similar in age, we have some resemblences in appearance and similar interests. However, we are two very different people.

          I hope all that helps, lol.

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          • #50
            Statuettes?

            Any one know where I could find some small god figurines,pretty cheap?

            Ive looked on ebay but there prices are to steep for my liking or they dont have what I am looking for.
            Last edited by Kern; March 30th, 2008, 03:30 PM.



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            • #51
              Kind of late replying in this thread but oh well.

              You can try Soma Luna. That's where I got my Apollo and Mercury statuettes. It might still be out of your budget, but I found SL's prices to be reasonable compared to other sites that sell statues and statuettes.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Mercedes View Post
                Kind of late replying in this thread but oh well.

                You can try Soma Luna. That's where I got my Apollo and Mercury statuettes. It might still be out of your budget, but I found SL's prices to be reasonable compared to other sites that sell statues and statuettes.
                Thanks for the link. Yeah at the time the prices are too steep for me. But I'll bookmark the site just incase..



                "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by KiNoRonin View Post
                  Why would anyone want to Reconstruct Rome!!!

                  That was the First Society in the History of Humanity that Persecuted the Celtic Pagans of Gaul, Briton, and Germany, which then led the way to the Christian Inquisitions during the Dark Ages.


                  Reconstructing a Society like the Romans would be a step back instead of a Step Forward toward my Wish to have Trees, Plants and Nature declared as the objects which all of Humanity should Venarate instead of Ourselves.

                  KNR
                  I realise that I am responding to a very old post, but here I go anyway.

                  Ever since I started to follow the Religio Romana path I have come up against misinformed opinions such as this. What people have to realise is that EVERY single civilization on this planet has fought/killed/raped/etc.... members of other civilizations. The Celtics weren't exactly a peaceful group of people. They fought each other all of the time and they plundered Rome in 390 BC, among other things.

                  What the heck did the ancient Romans have to do with the Inquisition? *scratches head*

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Kern View Post
                    Salvete All!
                    Any one catching the HBO series ROME?
                    What are your thoughts?
                    I like it a great deal. It strike a good balance between highlighting the similarities between our culture now and how the Roman culture was different. I love seeing the everyday lives of the people and how they practiced.

                    Of course, I'm not a Roman reconstructionist. But a lof the show rings true to what I studied in college, like their values and ethics (concerning suicide, women, slaves, worshiping deities that origionated from various cultures, etc.), the rumors surroudning Augustus and Julius Ceasar, and the different interpretations for why Antony and Cleopatra's ships retreated.

                    All around a good show.
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                    I begin to sing of Pallas Athene, the glorious goddess, bright-eyed, inventive, unbending of heart, pure virgin, saviour of cities, courageous, Tritogeneia. From his awful head wise Zeus himself bare her arrayed in warlike arms of flashing gold, and awe seized all the gods as they gazed. But Athena sprang quickly from the immortal head and stood before Zeus who holds the aegis, shaking a sharp spear: great Olympus began to reel horribly at the might of the bright-eyed goddess, and earth round about cried fearfully, and the sea was moved and tossed with dark waves, while foam burst forth suddenly: the bright Son of Hyperion stopped his swift-footed horses a long while, until the maiden Pallas Athene had stripped the heavenly armour from her immortal shoulders. And wise Zeus was glad. And so hail to you, daughter of Zeus who holds the aegis!
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cultrix Deorum View Post
                      I realise that I am responding to a very old post, but here I go anyway.

                      Ever since I started to follow the Religio Romana path I have come up against misinformed opinions such as this. What people have to realise is that EVERY single civilization on this planet has fought/killed/raped/etc.... members of other civilizations. The Celtics weren't exactly a peaceful group of people. They fought each other all of the time and they plundered Rome in 390 BC, among other things.

                      What the heck did the ancient Romans have to do with the Inquisition? *scratches head*
                      QFT, I'm not a Roman Recon (I'm a Sumerian Recon), but, I do like learning about the Roman religion, and I find it quite interesting and quite cool. I think some people do blame a lot of the problems of the world onto Rome, now, I don't support all the actions of the Roman State, against other cultures and religions, but, I don't see them as the "big bad" either.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by *~Amora~* View Post
                        I like it a great deal. It strike a good balance between highlighting the similarities between our culture now and how the Roman culture was different. I love seeing the everyday lives of the people and how they practiced.

                        Of course, I'm not a Roman reconstructionist. But a lof the show rings true to what I studied in college, like their values and ethics (concerning suicide, women, slaves, worshiping deities that origionated from various cultures, etc.), the rumors surroudning Augustus and Julius Ceasar, and the different interpretations for why Antony and Cleopatra's ships retreated.

                        All around a good show.
                        I really loved HBOs Rome, it was a cool show, does anyone know if there will be a season 3, I'd love to see Augustus (the actor was really hot), and the others, there were some loose ends it didn't tie up (also, it looked like the Jews, and their rebellions, might be playing a bit more of a role, which I was really looking forward too).

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                        • #57
                          I've noticed a lot of hate come from Pagans of the "Moon Cash" sort in regards to Rome, Roman Religion and so on.

                          But its nice to see another Cultor on here, welcome Cultrix!

                          As for HBO's Rome, unfortunately there will not be a third season. The show was fantastic and by far, in my opinion, the best historical-reproduction in terms of accuracy and attention to detail. However, it is that exact attention to detail and history that resulted in the show being dropped by HBO, it cost WAY too much money to produce.

                          I'd love to see it picked up and revived sometime soon, but I do not forsee that happening whatsoever.

                          But I must say, Atia's final words at the end of the last episode of season 2 SO summed up her character...and she was my favorite, so hah! LOL

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Son of Goddess View Post
                            I've noticed a lot of hate come from Pagans of the "Moon Cash" sort in regards to Rome, Roman Religion and so on.

                            But its nice to see another Cultor on here, welcome Cultrix!

                            As for HBO's Rome, unfortunately there will not be a third season. The show was fantastic and by far, in my opinion, the best historical-reproduction in terms of accuracy and attention to detail. However, it is that exact attention to detail and history that resulted in the show being dropped by HBO, it cost WAY too much money to produce.

                            I'd love to see it picked up and revived sometime soon, but I do not forsee that happening whatsoever.

                            But I must say, Atia's final words at the end of the last episode of season 2 SO summed up her character...and she was my favorite, so hah! LOL
                            Rome was such a cool show! I Claudius was also fun to watch.

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                            • #59
                              I have heard of I, Claudius before, but I've never seen it and I cannot seem to find it any of the stores around here. A lot people say it was a great film.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Son of Goddess View Post
                                I've noticed a lot of hate come from Pagans of the "Moon Cash" sort in regards to Rome, Roman Religion and so on.

                                But its nice to see another Cultor on here, welcome Cultrix!

                                As for HBO's Rome, unfortunately there will not be a third season. The show was fantastic and by far, in my opinion, the best historical-reproduction in terms of accuracy and attention to detail. However, it is that exact attention to detail and history that resulted in the show being dropped by HBO, it cost WAY too much money to produce.

                                I'd love to see it picked up and revived sometime soon, but I do not forsee that happening whatsoever.

                                But I must say, Atia's final words at the end of the last episode of season 2 SO summed up her character...and she was my favorite, so hah! LOL
                                That sucks that there won't be a 3rd season, it was a really cool show, it also sucks that I won't be able to see Octavius (played by Max Pirkis (& here)) topless again (unless, hopefully, he does it again in another show, or goes beyond topless !).

                                I tried attaching a pic of him topless, but, it didn't work , but, check out this link (& here). Don't worry, they're not pornographic.

                                It's a shame HBO are dropping it, it may have been expensive to make, but, they'd get a lot of viewers.
                                Last edited by David19; October 22nd, 2008, 06:39 PM.

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