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    I do not know what is going on lately, but it seems everywhere I look, someone is attacking the beliefs of Satanists; it strikes me, that in the larger societal picture, the only group which it is entirely acceptable to attack is the white male, and in Pagan circles: Satanists (hence the title of this thread). I am just amazed at the venom and misconceptions and nastiness that is spewed forth by some Pagans to and about Satanists....one group that I belong to, which is SPECIFICALLY dedicated to the freedom of ALL religions and religious practices, has recently had a thread of conversation going in which a person slams Satanists and says they are all evil because they worship evil....I just don't get it! I mean, if I said "Wiccans are all lesbians because they worship a goddess" I would get bitch-slapped! As well i should!

    And this attitude that Paganism and Satanism must be kept separate, so as not to sully the reputation of all of us white light pure-hearted worshippers of goodness just makes me want to vomit! I am not a Satanist; however, my matron goddess nearly wiped out mankind until she got drunk on what she thought was human blood! I mean, not so white, not so pretty and certainly not in the eyes of many something they would support or understand. However, I am a Pagan, and damned proud of it, and I sure as hell don't think I have a right to dictate to someone else what they may and may not worhsip. And whether or not their worship is distasteful to me should NOT affect their right to be proud of their religion, nor to discuss it in what are supposed to be open-minded forums. I am not saying that any practice that is illegal should be condoned, nor that sharing one's opinion about a given practice is wrong; however, one should KNOW what one is giving an opinion about, and an opinion should be given as just that, and not as if it were fact, and any opinion given, especially one that slams another religion should be at least capable of being backed up by logic and facts, and not just "I don't like this because it is WRONG and EVIL and that is my HOLY WRIT!"

    I never intended this to be a rant, it just turned into one. I just keep seeing these HUGELY judgemental comments made about Satanism and it seems, the posters (not just here at MW, but in a lot of places) are not called on their comments as much as it seems they would be if they made similar comments about more "acceptable" religions.

    DK


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    I agree. My path (not Satanism) is also misunderstood and I've recieved some nasty commenets here. But pagan communities are just like any other community. Some people are openminded and becoming enlightened, others are not.
    The monkey formerly known as semicivilizedman.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by semicivilizedman
      I agree. My path (not Satanism) is also misunderstood and I've recieved some nasty commenets here. But pagan communities are just like any other community. Some people are openminded and becoming enlightened, others are not.
      True, I guess I am kinda having to knock "Pagans" off that pedastle (sp?) I had us on....every human has the potential to be closed minded, and I should know better!

      Again, I want to make it clear that my first post was a reaction to posts I have seen in NUMEROUS places, not just at MW, and I should also say that I actually see more satanists and people who support them here, than any other forum I visit....so I want to be very clear on thta point, that I am in no way suggesting that there is less tolerance here or anything of that nature....I just had seen my 10th conversation (complete with misconceptions) about the "evils" of satanism, and I had a meltdown.
      dK


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      • #4
        Well think about it - so many people new to Paganism come from religions that preach "the one true way" (snort, chuckle, laugh, whatever). It's hard to overcome that conditioning. I'm *not* making excuses for that type of behavior - discrimination is discrimination.

        In addition, Satanism is so misunderstood my many of us, that we only have what the media reports about it. When was the last time the media in your area got Witchcraft/Wicca right?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by KEishin
          In addition, Satanism is so misunderstood my many of us, that we only have what the media reports about it. When was the last time the media in your area got Witchcraft/Wicca right?
          I know *sigh* which is I guess exactly why I was sooo taken aback by these nasty descriptions, and negations of Satanism. I would think that as many of us are so hugely misrepresented, we of all groups should kinda know you can't count on the press or other biased media to inform you about someone's beliefs....again, I think I had Pagans as a group up on an unrealistic pedestal and DUH, forgot that most of us are human(well actually I think all of us?) with our own prejudices, etc. OHHH, I am just so articulate now...NOT


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            Right there wit' ya sistah
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Darakash
              I know *sigh* which is I guess exactly why I was sooo taken aback by these nasty descriptions, and negations of Satanism. I would think that as many of us are so hugely misrepresented, we of all groups should kinda know you can't count on the press or other biased media to inform you about someone's beliefs....again, I think I had Pagans as a group up on an unrealistic pedestal and DUH, forgot that most of us are human(well actually I think all of us?) with our own prejudices, etc. OHHH, I am just so articulate now...NOT
              :rubhead: It's always frustrating when people spout opinions about things they obviously don't understand in the slightest. I'm not a Satanist either, and I admit I don't know much about it, but I hate it when people form strong opinions/prejudices about something without taking the time to learn about it first.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by semicivilizedman
                I agree. My path (not Satanism) is also misunderstood and I've recieved some nasty commenets here. But pagan communities are just like any other community. Some people are openminded and becoming enlightened, others are not.
                I think that it is never cool to bash anyone for the path that they choose. I mean most of us have probably had to defend our faith at least once to someone, we all should know better . btw, what is your path? just curious

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Invidosa
                  I think that it is never cool to bash anyone for the path that they choose. I mean most of us have probably had to defend our faith at least once to someone, we all should know better . btw, what is your path? just curious
                  Hey, yeah, thanks for asking this, I was curious too, and then got so worked up about other sillyness i forgot to ask, so thank Invidosa!
                  DK


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Aleigh
                    :rubhead: It's always frustrating when people spout opinions about things they obviously don't understand in the slightest. I'm not a Satanist either, and I admit I don't know much about it, but I hate it when people form strong opinions/prejudices about something without taking the time to learn about it first.
                    Yes, as a very wise person said to me recently "Opinionated ignorance drives me nuts! Ignorance is okay, informed opinions are fine, but highly vocal opinions based on apparent complete ignorance of a subject, and refusal to learn anything about it... :grrrrr: "

                    Now THAT is articulate


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                    • #11
                      I think the easiest seeming way to feel better about yourself is to find someone to compare yourself positively to so you can say, "Well, at least I'm not like them!"
                      Many people do this without bothering to find out the truth about the people they are talking about.

                      I must admit that I wanted to do this at first, but I insisted on doing my homework, and I found out that while I do disagree with the Satanic philosophy it is not evil and does make some sense.
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                      • #12
                        As much as it pains me to say it, I think this attitude towards Satanism on the part of some Pagans is somewhat natural. I once heard someone say that Satanism is like Paganism's younger sibling who wants to tag along, now that Paganism is getting cool friends (mainstream acceptance). Paganism, thinking only of its reputation, just kicks down Satanism to make itself look better in the eyes of the mainstream.

                        I'm not saying it's right, of course, that just seems to be how it is, unfortunately.

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                        • #13
                          People bash me for being a Satanist quite frequently. Pagan or not. THere are jsut so many misconceptions of it due to all the satanic panic. Ch'yeah, who in their right mind would believe that I, a thirteen year old girl, would "conjure up the dark lord satan via sacraficing a goat and impregnating women with the devil's seed"?
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                          • #14
                            I agree that people should reserve judgement and opinion about a subject until they have all the facts.

                            But what about individuals that have taken the time to become educated about something, yet conclude after study, careful thought, and experience that they don't agree with it?

                            Should they not give their opinion because they aren't in the majority or don't hold the popular view point? Should we draw and quarter them for being odd man out? Accuse them of being "intolerent"?

                            This doesn't happen to me to often because I avoid posting to much of a contrary opinion from the majority. (Until now.)
                            But, I see this happen over and over....Majority says "Dog" and the lone voice comes along and says "Cat" and before you know it the "Cat" is dead.

                            I get so tired of reading someone have a different opinion from everyone else's and their reward for sharing is getting bashed and flamed.
                            One person jumps on them and then lots of other people jump in to and the thread becomes all about picking on that one person. Satanist call it "Herd Conformity".

                            Should we require everyone to post a disclaimer and credentials along with their opinion?
                            Wouldn't it be better to just say "I don't agree with you, and here's why"....minus the personnal attack?

                            I don't agree with Satanism. Here's why....I think it focuses to much on the Self and not enough on the world around them and trying to make it a better place. I don't find it to be a balanced enough worldview for my taste.

                            Disclaimer- This doesn't mean I don't respect their path or their right to believe what they want...some of their beliefs make perfect sense to me, other things I don't agree with.

                            Credentials- I have read the Satanic Bible, the Satanic Witch, been to the Chruch of Satan Website and had lengthy conversations with several Satanist both Theistic and LeVayen.

                            P.S....This isn't meant to be a personnal attack on Darakash who I adore, just me being the lone voice and playing "Devil's Advocate." I have been needing to get the "let's pick on the odd man out" rant off my chest for a long time.
                            P.P.S...Darakash, I hope I'm still on your "been good" list. Sorry if I hijacked your thread.

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                            • #15
                              I notice a lot of people saying bad things about Satanists, we all need to keep an open-mind. Sorry for your hurts,
                              Yannai

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