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    Okay so I have been reading about this issue and once again I am torn between views (probably because of my gemini rising sign). I know a traditional Alexandrian family who believe that it is wrong to sell your "craft." These people are barely survivng financially and I do mean barely. I can't help but think that even if one read tarot cards a few times a week for a reasonable amount of money they would be just fine. On the other hand I see witches selling useless trinkets for rediculous amounts of money, to the point where witchcraft seems like a cheap gimmick. The best example that I can think of is a certain well known witch (who shall remain nameless) selling a bottle of "genuine witches hair" that will supposedly increase your witch powers. To what point to do you think that one should sell their craft? Is it okay to sell anything and charge what you want, even if it borders on fraud? Can one "sell their craft" within certain limits? If so, what are thoes limits? Should one never accept money for any sort of occult related service?
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    Originally posted by Sage Rainsong View Post
    Okay so I ahve been reading about this issue and once again I am torn between views (probably because of my gemini rising sign). I know a traditional Alexandrian family who believe that it is wrong to sell your "craft." These people are barely survivng financially and I do mean barely. I can't help but think that even if one read tarot cards a few times a week for a reasonable amount of money they would be just fine. On the other hand I see witches selling useless trinkets for rediculous amounts of money to the point where witchcraft seems like a cheap gimmick. The best example that I can think of is a certain well known witch (who shall remain nameless) selling a bottle of "genuine witches hair" that will supposedly increase your witch powers. To what point to do you think that one should sell their craft? Is it okay to sell anything and charge what you want, even if it borders on fraud? Can one "sell their craft" within certain limits? If so, what are thoes limits? Should one never accept money for any sort of occult related service?

    As I see it, if you want to offer your services for free, that's great. But I think it's perfectly acceptable to make or suppliment your living through your services. It's your time. Your skill. Your materials. Personally, I think that people SHOULD at the very least be paying for materials used. Though, I don't think that the cost of materials should be greatly inflated...$5 or $10 for a candle and some herbs is reasonable...$100 for the same herbs and candle not so much.


    Fraud is a completely different story. Fraud is fraud.

    There's a big difference between offering say, a fifteen minute tarot card reading for $20, and offering spell casting for outlandish things like winning the three zilion dollar lottery jackpot for $500 (unless you're willing to offer an absolute no-questions-asked money back guarantee...but if that's the core of your business and you do that well...you don't need me to tell you that that's not a very well thought out business plan.)
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    • #3
      I believe in energy exchange - Don't get rich of other people with your specialist skills and knowledge but at the same time it is fair to ask for something - a service, a good even money (which is equal to service and money except you can spend it anywhere) to cover your time and effort and a little bit extra in the way of a thank-you.

      Here's a bad real life example of selling the craft: My girl friend went to a psychic night at her pub and the tarot reader there was charging £25 a reading.Needless to say not a single person approached her, if she had charged £5 a reading she would have made a small fortune from my girlfriend and her extended familly alone.

      Here's a good example: I know complimentry therapist (is that the right way to phrase it?) she charges alot for massage but I asked her if she'd accept a tarot reading instead of money - she was delighted at this and we both came off better from the deal.
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      • #4
        Personally I dont charge for my card readings, but I do a exchange sort of thing..this for that etc.. but if I was to charge it would not be to make money, it would be to take care of my 'expenses' like herbs, crystals and whatever else I need for whatever Im doing also my time..
        thats just me though
        I have to add though I have no respect for those so called Physics or card readers that say ..pay me 100 bucks and Ill do a chart or cast a spell..and the like..
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Against The Tide View Post
          I believe in energy exchange - Don't get rich of other people with your specialist skills and knowledge but at the same time it is fair to ask for something - a service, a good even money (which is equal to service and money except you can spend it anywhere) to cover your time and effort and a little bit extra in the way of a thank-you.

          Here's a bad real life example of selling the craft: My girl friend went to a psychic night at her pub and the tarot reader there was charging £25 a reading.Needless to say not a single person approached her, if she had charged £5 a reading she would have made a small fortune from my girlfriend and her extended familly alone.

          Here's a good example: I know complimentry therapist (is that the right way to phrase it?) she charges alot for massage but I asked her if she'd accept a tarot reading instead of money - she was delighted at this and we both came off better from the deal.

          not sure I know what you mean by "complimentary therapist"...but bartering is definitely a good thing if you don't have money but can offer services. I cooked a steak dinner in exchange for my reiki 2 attunement (in that case, I was already making the diner for the folks in my house, and I had one huge steak left over...as it happens, my reiki master LIVES for steak...so it worked out well :-)
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          • #6
            I love the exchange approach. We struggle with this idea a lot in Reclaiming - just compensation for time and talents vs. commodification of spirituality. A few of our teachers travel all around the country helping lead classes, and they don't ask for anything but airfare and a place to sleep. Others have become full-time teachers in the tradition and expect to be paid, just the same as any other speaker/presenter in any other field. Each Reclaiming community deals with it the way they consider best for them, but it's a continuing (and growing) dilemma within our tradition.

            It's been our experience that once you start attaching dollar values to things, people become less invested in the outcome.

            We did a weekend-long intensive once. The price was set at $75; at that time I could in no way afford that. The organizers offered to let a couple of us participate in exchange for help designing and distributing publicity materials for the event. I wouldn't presume to say that we got more out of the experience than the people who just wrote a check or handed over some cash, but I do feel, from talking with other participants, that we felt more like we were a part of the workshop than many of the others. Some of them came in with an "I've paid my money, now gimme a spiritual experience, dammit!" My friend and I, because we'd helped bring the workshop to fruition, we were more willing to accept it for whatever it was, without feeling like something specific had to happen for us to "get our money's worth."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Windsmith View Post
              I love the exchange approach. We struggle with this idea a lot in Reclaiming - just compensation for time and talents vs. commodification of spirituality. A few of our teachers travel all around the country helping lead classes, and they don't ask for anything but airfare and a place to sleep. Others have become full-time teachers in the tradition and expect to be paid, just the same as any other speaker/presenter in any other field. Each Reclaiming community deals with it the way they consider best for them, but it's a continuing (and growing) dilemma within our tradition.

              It's been our experience that once you start attaching dollar values to things, people become less invested in the outcome.

              We did a weekend-long intensive once. The price was set at $75; at that time I could in no way afford that. The organizers offered to let a couple of us participate in exchange for help designing and distributing publicity materials for the event. I wouldn't presume to say that we got more out of the experience than the people who just wrote a check or handed over some cash, but I do feel, from talking with other participants, that we felt more like we were a part of the workshop than many of the others. Some of them came in with an "I've paid my money, now gimme a spiritual experience, dammit!" My friend and I, because we'd helped bring the workshop to fruition, we were more willing to accept it for whatever it was, without feeling like something specific had to happen for us to "get our money's worth."

              Interesting. I have also heard the other side of the argument (just to play devils' advocate). For example my Reiki teacher got her certification at a time when become a master meant that you had to pay A LOT of money. She said that this was done so that they knew that the student was serious and dedicated. I'm sure that they liked the money to lol. Even though they could be scamming her, it does raise an interesting point. The amount of money places a certain value on things. Many people may wonder if something is wrong with your service, if you are not charging a decent amount of money. Also some people may try to take advantage of you. I used to try to read the tarot for free years ago. Let me tell you, since it was free some people absolutely needed a free reading almost every day or their lives would be in utter turmoil. Enough of my rambling. My question is to you, do you think that maybe charging could foster a certain level of respect in many cases? After all the people who paid could have done something else with their disposable income. Also I would like to ask about your views on things like charging money for tarot readings and other methods of "selling the craft".
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              • #8
                You are entitled to make a living from the craft if you are able to.

                I personally do not like the exchange thing....I would rather pay the money (why I work hard at my job), and go on about my business.
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                • #9
                  I agree with what Fiamma said, for the first question. I couldn't say it better myself.

                  Interesting. I have also heard the other side of the argument (just to play devils' advocate). For example my Reiki teacher got her certification at a time when become a master meant that you had to pay A LOT of money. She said that this was done so that they knew that the student was serious and dedicated. I'm sure that they liked the money to lol. Even though they could be scamming her, it does raise an interesting point. The amount of money places a certain value on things. Many people may wonder if something is wrong with your service, if you are not charging a decent amount of money. Also some people may try to take advantage of you. I used to try to read the tarot for free years ago. Let me tell you, since it was free some people absolutely needed a free reading almost every day or their lives would be in utter turmoil. Enough of my rambling. My question is to you, do you think that maybe charging could foster a certain level of respect in many cases? After all the people who paid could have done something else with their disposable income. Also I would like to ask about your views on things like charging money for tarot readings and other methods of "selling the craft".
                  You are right here. I used to do readings charging $5 per question. It was greatin the way that it built my reputation up, but a lot of people wouldn't come to me because I simply didn't charge enough. Several of my customers actually told me this, because they had a lot of doubts in the first place. People were only comming to me when they heard I was good.
                  Now I charge $30 per reading. I hate it. Honestly, I don't think I should charge that much, but I'll lose my job if I lower my price. With that said, I get a lot of customers, and people assume I must be good and confidant to charge so much. Now they look at me and ask "How old are you? I expected someone a little older..."

                  The point of this ramble is yes, price matters. If you put too low a price on your services then generally it says that you don't have confidence in yourself or what you are selling.

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                  • #10
                    To make you feel less guilty about your increase mouse try offering your clientel a little more - maybe a small glass of wine or tea/coffee to relax them (if your readings are say 15-30 mins long) and have a tape recorder handy so you can record your session and allow the client to take the tape home and listen to it again at a later date?
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                    • #11
                      Things of the spirit shouldn't be sold, but they should be VALUED....thus I am willing to sell poetry to magazines for a contributor's copy or a few bucks (I've never made more than $100 a pop)

                      It is moral to take money for them, to cover costs and labour,(thus, the effort is valued) it is immoral to try to get rich from them.

                      I have no time at craft faires and Wiccy festivals for people selling over priced stuff. Yeah I can afford to buy it, but I WON'T.
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                      • #12
                        If you are offering a service or product, you deserve to be fairly compensated. I wouldn't mind working for exchange or barter, but the green pieces of paper fit in my wallet and house much better than chickens, goats, and pannikins of cream.

                        My landlord and the Discover Card people like that better, too.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wolf View Post
                          If you are offering a service or product, you deserve to be fairly compensated. I wouldn't mind working for exchange or barter, but the green pieces of paper fit in my wallet and house much better than chickens, goats, and pannikins of cream.

                          My landlord and the Discover Card people like that better, too.

                          yes, but if someone pays you in say, chicken, that's food that you don't have to use the little green things to buy for your family, and therefore can go to the landlord or the fine people at Discover :-)
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                          • #14
                            When I was making soap, I usually bartered it for things I wanted but couldn't afford, jewlery, pottery, books.... I also bartered for more essential oils and ingredents I couldn't grow
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                            • #15
                              the members and also myself have NEVER taken monies for any service in which we have provided,Craft or Occult, or for our healing products, and we NEVER will.
                              but to each their own.
                              Last edited by covenofkeys; October 30th, 2006, 10:23 PM.








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