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  • #31
    I don't think we're "fluffier". If you're asking; "Would the New Agers even exist?!"...that's a sortof profound question. I'd have to say probably. Commercialism never dies, yo.

    Personally, I rather wonder if we'd have as much diversity of paganism in America if not for the movements in history of christianity, judaism in general, or islam. They have really made a huge mark on history, as a rule. Which affects culture. Immigration, war, even trade all affects culture...and religion, especially those three, have affected those three things a great deal. Like, say, would American history still have the issue of slavery...if paganism had been the original top religion for us? Then, if not, would hoodoo and santeria still be as about as is today?

    It's impossible to say though, because I'm sure that more than one combination of factors could create the type of culture and religious environment that we have today. And it's hard to pin the fact that something happened on any one group of people. Some obscure unknown person coulda expressed a thought in the dark ages that irrevocably changed everything.

    Interesting thought, though!
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    • #32
      Originally posted by David19 View Post
      I'm not sure I'd qualify what Rome had as a significant amount of technology, maybe advanced for their time, but, the biggest advancements came when religion was taken out of science (if Rome had continued on, we may still be sacrificing innocent animals to divine the will of Gods, imagine your President basing his important decisions on what he could find in spilled guts, and, apparantly, to the Romans that was a science).
      Hell, without getting into specifics...just look at the plumbing technology the Romans had compared to say, your average medieval city... Religion didn't necessarily play a role in the creation of Roman plumbing technology, but the "Dark Ages," where many such technologies were forgotten or lost, was most certainly a Christian creation.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by David19 View Post
        True, but, as far as I know, Bruno was Christian, or, maybe, somewhat of a Gnostic Christian....
        Hey, Galileo was a Christian as well. That didn't stop the Church from arresting him for "heresy" (and having all of his writings be prohibited...) because of his scientific theories.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Selah View Post
          Funnily enough, it was Christianity that helped the development of witchcraft along. Look at Enochian Magic, the Sator Rotas and other magic squares, th Tetragrammaton...The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage, the concept of evoking angels and demons in Goetia...etc. etc. It's rather the opposite of what one expects. We may still have had witchcraft without Christianity;s influence, but would it have been as developed and diverse as it is today? Who knows?
          QFT, and well said, modern occultism may not be as diverse without the influences of Christianity (and Islam as well), Judaism also contributed greatly (even in ancient pre-Christian times, Jews had a reputation as great Magicians/Mages).

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          • #35
            If we never had those three religions we'd have other religions and they would still influence each other along with paganism and witchcraft. So there's no way to tell how these two would have developed. Every civilization gets influenced by other civilizations. The Egyptians by the Summerians, the Greeks by the Egyptians, the Romans by the Greeks, Christianity by Paganism and now Paganism by Christianity. It's human evolution.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by PrincessKLS View Post
              Okay so think about this; they say in modern times witchcraft has become fluffier and in my opinion the influence and evolution of Judaism, Christianity, and even Islam has a lot to do with it.
              Witchcraft, inasmuch as it has been practised in the West as a coherent system, has always been influenced by the Abrahamic religions. And that didn't make it fluffy; if anything, that had the opposite effect. Witchcraft systems of the early 20th century, Wicca being the most prominent examples of this, were strongly influenced by Western occultism, which in turn was pretty much made and maintained by Christian and Jewish mysticism.

              If anything, the "fluffication" occurred decades later, due to the influence of New Age philosophy in the 1970's.

              So if we never had these three religions and maybe some other major religions, how do you think witchcraft would be like today?
              Western esoterica influenced modern witchcraft to such an extent, that any coherent system would be pretty much unrecognisable. If there'd be any coherent system at all.
              Last edited by Louisvillian; July 11th, 2010, 02:54 PM.

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              • #37
                I don't think that my people would of developed their magical system without Christianity. So while a lot of things the Christians did was bad there were some good points. Every part has two sides and we must take the good with the bad.

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