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    Ok, well I have been searching the traditional ways of the craft and thought someone else may be interested in it. Ive learned a lot and would like to discuss some of it with people if they would like. Heres a great link if you would like to start to research this "Path":
    http://www.shadowdrake.com/witchcraft/index.html
    I like it and theres a lot of info on that page.
    I may post more links in the future so watch this if you are interested.

    Hope i havent offended anyone, thanks!

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    Last edited by Bullet; April 22nd, 2005, 01:40 PM.
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  • #2
    My first problem with the page comes from calling witchcraft a religion but thx for the link.

    Im also interested in Pre-Garderian witchcraft. Such as cunning folk, leechcraft, hedge witches.
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    • #3
      Here's a list of some other threads where we were talking about "traditional witchcraft."

      The big thing to realize is that "traditional witchcraft" can mean very different things and depends on who you are talking to.

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=87869

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=80341

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=8511

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=30893

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=86403 (this one is actually about Italian witchcraft, but it could be interesting for those exploring "traditional witchcraft")

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=81155 (talks about different types of "traditional" magickal workers)

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=67459 (more about "green" witchcraft, or working with nature)

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=84461 (questions about "real" witchcraft)

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=88693 (cottage and kitchen witches)

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=85093 (origins of Wicca)

      http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=79670 (witch, not Wiccan)

      There are actually quite a lot more if you do a Search here at MysticWicks -- but those should get you started.

      Ben Gruagach
      MysticWicks forum guide in "Paths: Wicca", "Books" and "History"
      author of The Wiccan Mystic: Exploring a Magickal Spiritual Path
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      • #4
        Glad to see their site is working again... I found them once when hunting cousins and got sent to a bible site when I clicked on the link. Much more helpful site this way. Just wish I could remember if they were a cousin or a tangent......
        Last edited by -Ember; April 23rd, 2005, 01:59 AM.
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        • #5
          Thanks for the reminder of the site, I'd forgotten about it.


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          • #6
            Okies,here's my problem with that site. I'm prolly gonna start a riot but these are just my opinions. #1 I don't agree with their statement about witchcraft being a religion,it's not! It's what one practices. #2 That site also states that one cannot be "born a witch". Isn't that kinda like saying that a person can't be born gay? Sorry guys,I believe that there are people who are born with "natural" gifts that may not recognize them until they grow up a bit.

            Anyways....JMHOs.

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            • #7
              Well, I'll disagree with both.

              1) I accept "religion" because it is about as useful a discriptor as we have. It isn't really a philosophy either, nor simply a practice. Way of life comes closer... but misses something. Religion seems to me the best way to describe traditional witchcraft in a introductory way. After all, it does involve divinity. If not, it isn't traditional witchcraft, it is some other form of magic.

              2) Simply being psychic/talented doesn't make you a witch any more than a bald spot makes you a monk or height makes you a basketball player. Vocation, dedication and skill are needed, although factors such as a talent can be useful.
              "The facts do not change, but their order is given another dimension through another myth. They are experienced differently; they gain another tale."-James Hillman

              Justice is blind. A witch is not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PoisonIvy
                Okies,here's my problem with that site. I'm prolly gonna start a riot but these are just my opinions. #1 I don't agree with their statement about witchcraft being a religion,it's not! It's what one practices. #2 That site also states that one cannot be "born a witch". Isn't that kinda like saying that a person can't be born gay? Sorry guys,I believe that there are people who are born with "natural" gifts that may not recognize them until they grow up a bit.

                Anyways....JMHOs.

                Blessed Be!
                I'm with you on both counts. I disagree that witchcraft is a religion. It's a way of life, certainly, but there is no religious component to the craft as it is commonly understood. And I do think you can be .. and often are .. born a witch. Many people are kept from realizing their true path though .. and some just never do.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by -Ember
                  Well, I'll disagree with both.

                  1) I accept "religion" because it is about as useful a discriptor as we have. It isn't really a philosophy either, nor simply a practice. Way of life comes closer... but misses something. Religion seems to me the best way to describe traditional witchcraft in a introductory way. After all, it does involve divinity. If not, it isn't traditional witchcraft, it is some other form of magic.
                  Witchcraft can be the basis of one's way of life, philosophy, or religion -- but witchcraft itself is a practice. It's folk magick, and it isn't a codified system that is complete and whole unto itself. It includes herbal healing methods, traditional healing techniques, ways to exploit psychic talents, divination, ways to do spells, and a lot more -- but it is a mistake to assume that any of the formalized systems based on witchcraft actually define witchcraft. Witchcraft is bigger than Wicca, bigger than the other religious denominations that include witchcraft as a major element.

                  A good parallel would be with prayer. Prayer can certainly be a major element in one's religious system, and you could probably even create a specific religion around the mythology, lore, etc. of prayer and how it is practiced. But prayer itself is a practice, not a religion. Prayer exists in many religious contexts. Witchcraft, too, can be practiced in any (or no) religious context.

                  2) Simply being psychic/talented doesn't make you a witch any more than a bald spot makes you a monk or height makes you a basketball player. Vocation, dedication and skill are needed, although factors such as a talent can be useful.
                  The only thing that really defines whether one is a witch or not is whether you call yourself one or not. There is no central authority, no Witch Pope or Grand High Council of Witches that determines who has the right to use the label witch. We don't have to like it, but it is the way it is.

                  Specific formalized religious groups can establish and enforce whatever rules and standards they like -- but they only apply to people in their own group. There is no group that has authority over all witches.

                  Ben Gruagach
                  MysticWicks forum guide in "Paths: Wicca", "Books" and "History"
                  author of The Wiccan Mystic: Exploring a Magickal Spiritual Path
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                  • #10
                    And I'm talking in terms of my understanding of traditional witchcraft.

                    You can argue for some idea of "witchcraft in general", but that is almost as meaningless a concept as "paganism".

                    In the "traditional witchcraft" I know, it isn't simply a practice. That is just magic. Or hebalism. Or any of a dozen other things. Witchcraft involves a way of understanding/connecting/purposing them. But philosophy doesn't cover it... it is too stiff, too logical, too doubtful.

                    Perhaps the closest term I could invent would be meta-paradigm... it isn't a paradigm because those come to be fairly fluid. But it is something beyond and beneath and behind them. And the closest standard word to express that to me is faith, with religion being not too far behind. So, I can accept religion.

                    The only thing that really defines whether one is a witch or not is whether you call yourself one or not. There is no central authority, no Witch Pope or Grand High Council of Witches that determines who has the right to use the label witch. We don't have to like it, but it is the way it is.
                    But it doesn't mean I have to accept the definition of it. Anyone can call themselves a witch... but if that is the accepted definition of the word, it soon ceases to be useful. Just as Wicca has for many, just as Pagan has for many. Anyone can use whatever lable they want, but if they want to use it with others and have it convey anything of meaning, it must be an agreed definition, not a retreat into "well, it means whatever I say it means."

                    Specific formalized religious groups can establish and enforce whatever rules and standards they like -- but they only apply to people in their own group. There is no group that has authority over all witches.
                    And yes, in terms of my understanding of traditional witchcraft I am saying that merely having some ability doesn't make you a witch. It doesn't give you that meta-paradigm. It just gives you a skill. Whatever "general witchcraft" might allow as a witch (hmmm, all who self identify, everyone who has a talent... hey, pretty quick we could have all of humanity and most animals as "witches"), by my understanding of traditional witchcraft psychism does not make you a witch. Becoming a witch to cope with it is not unusual, but not a given.
                    "The facts do not change, but their order is given another dimension through another myth. They are experienced differently; they gain another tale."-James Hillman

                    Justice is blind. A witch is not.

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                    • #11
                      i like http://www.thecrookedheath.com. rather a lot, actually. nice, solid, supported boundaries separating traditional witchcraft from everything else.




                      disclaimer: whilst i am no longer in the business of offending people, if you're offended, eat me. i'll defend what ive said until i get bored with you :kooky:

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                      • #12
                        I practise traditional witchcraft (a different form to those websites) I don't I could call what I practise a religion as I don't worship anything....lol I know maybe its just me but I always have seen religion as having an element of worship in it
                        But i do think as a group in general we spend far to much time debating what is and what isn't a religion. I'd rather look at the beliefs and practises of a group then argue what is and what isn't technically a religion

                        I do think you can born with a gift -but that alone does not make a witch, many things do have to be learnt

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                        • #13
                          I think the site is trying to redine a term such as witchcraft, just because they havent a term to describe the traditional practises.

                          I would maybe put them under nature religions.
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                          Always believe in yourself. Do this and no matter where you are, you will have nothing to fear. - Baron Humbert von Gikkingen

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by teishabee
                            I think the site is trying to redine a term such as witchcraft, just because they havent a term to describe the traditional practises.

                            I would maybe put them under nature religions.
                            ahh but then you are still using the word religion which it has just been said witchcraft isn't

                            I kind of like being undefineable....I dont think I have heard any word/short sentence that really descibes what I practise

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SoulHealer
                              ahh but then you are still using the word religion which it has just been said witchcraft isn't

                              I kind of like being undefineable....I dont think I have heard any word/short sentence that really descibes what I practise

                              Witchcraft itself is not a religion -- but it is very possible to make a witchcraft system that is an actual religion. Wicca is a perfect example.

                              It's a mistake though to assume that all witchcraft is Wicca. And it's still wrong if we substitute any of the specific systems calling themselves "traditional witchcraft" (or whatever they call their denominations) for Wicca in that sentence.

                              You can be a witch and follow any, or no, religion. If witchcraft were inherently a specific religion that could not be true.

                              Ben Gruagach
                              MysticWicks forum guide in "Paths: Wicca", "Books" and "History"
                              author of The Wiccan Mystic: Exploring a Magickal Spiritual Path
                              visit my website at http://www.witchgrotto.com
                              read my LiveJournal blog
                              find me on Facebook

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